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So glad I don’t play this game anymore lol… reading these patch notes just makes me cringe…
I’m taking about the whole patch notes and not just thief…
10-12k unloads, 10k backstabs.. kinda fun
You have to pretty much run from everything that is trying to actively hit you and be very aware of your surroundings to not instantly die…
So, been running basically same traits as you but with berserker amulet. Warrior is a ton of fun now…
Wish thief could be played like warrior…
You got any numbers for marauders vs. demolisher or you just using demolisher cause it’s new and different? I feel like the more vit helps more but could be wrong.
Smash Brawler > Savage instinct, but wish I didn’t have to choose between the two. That extra stun break is huge.
I opted for more utility than damage so went for DoA cheat death trait and EC for much better stability than balance stance. Add outrage for 10s stun break and notable adrenaline boost.
I hotjoin a lot so 1v2 is common. Just destroyed some noobs 1v2 in hotjoin entire game with this build.
Warrior feels more like a vendo/charged berserker from daoc now.
Is this a thing? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR5enMdAlkiVhAehAElilqATpHE7yBIFgGQA4902antA-TZBBABGt/AHHEA5LDAwTA4jLAAA
Build could be horrible but I just made it up without researching the internet :p
Play style is just up in your face all out melee using condi immunities, stab, stun breaks, condi removal on just about everything you do… Warrior is a lot fun like this.
Just pvp only. I don’t really wvw…
Went through diamond to legendary with this in two queue sessions:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOhdmCmOBkmilWCb+EuCfhelh2QKSLAcAWAA-TpxCABHfCAq4QAg3+DaVGAgHAw8HBAA
This build is so good Donald trump endorsed it.
Pretty sure this is close to his build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCNmilOBGNBkmilWCTLAcAWAznwV4L0rMEpSRA-TZRHABwv/ACnAAAOEA1+EAQqMAA
He’s right… I haven’t lost a match yet with this build lol. Almost diamond.
I was like, ok first loss and then I will leave for the gym… I never lost so just had to leave in like 7-8 winning streak…
You can prob change sigils around a little bit and if you feel you are uber at not getting hit by condis can pick up more dps from the pulm on interretupt in DD line.
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Trap life 4 ever!
At this point it doesn’t matter because no one uses stealth like they did back when this thread was created…
Stealth is only used to break target for a few seconds or setup a quick burst…
There is no more popping in and out of stealth when the timer is up in pvp. Just spam evades and evade frames now…
u are right thief is trash. many reasons but main is that thief class lost its identity. Thief is no longer stealth master, or dps master, or teleport master. its weak. all daredevil does is 7% dmg increase and 1 extra dodge which is nothing compered to scrapper or dh traps. Thief simply does not have iconic moves no more.
It’s funny you would say that. In my opinion thief is one of the last profession (along with maybe necro) to have a strong identity. With Unhindered Combatant, we are even more reinforced in our decap/+1 role, which feels really unique. I enjoy my thief better than any other profession since HoT, personally.
You’re right; running away and standing at a node decapping, as you hope that one person running to you doesn’t reach you in time, before you run away again is truly a unique feeling. Nobody else can do that.
My point exactly with this thread…
I am running eagle runes and zerk ammy. I vaulted a mesmer for 11k yesterday consistently…
Usually 7-9k…
Pretty much full glass build…
Yea I get it. Thief is now +1 and decap uncontested points. If I’m playing seasons im just running pure damage to add on fights and then run away and decap uncontested points. The second anyone challenges I just run away.
My point is that this sucks! Horrible design of class!
I can stand on a point and barely move as a DH and provide a huge benefit to my group.
I can spam buttons on an ele and heal my team while avoiding damage.
I can apply tons on condi pressure with great amount of survivability on necro.
All these classes are fun and require skill to play.
It takes no skill to add on a fight and decap uncontested points… In fact every other class can perform this function. The only difference is that thief will get there quicker. However, they can’t hold it if someone challenges them 1v1 while other classes can.
I perform the same function on my DH and I’ve held point 2v1 long enough for teammates to show up while keeping point under our control…
Thief has no unique role. Hence, this post.
My latest class is bunker healing shout ele. Closest thing to a healer/cleric in this game. Running magi ammy…
I can heal npcs and players a lot with shouts and warhorn skills. It’s nuts. I do no damage but the support it provides is unreal compared to any healing build in the past.
I like the common idea some people are talking about which is if you are playing thief you can beat classes 1v1 if you don’t screw up… I screw up in ele all the time and I can hold a point or keep npcs in stronghold at 100% for a while before having to back out… Making tons of mistakes and just spamming buttons…
I think UC is great and you can evade for days with the best combat mobility in game. Only problem is killing things… Thief is good for juking and running away from a fight.
I just feel like in a game where people try to win thief has lost a role…
I love getting on hot joins and trolling people though.
Don’t get me wrong. I love the idea of this class. It might even be good at 1v1.
I’ve been playing the seasons. When I played thief I had about a 50-50 win ratio. Getting past first tier just took some time. I felt like some matches I was effective at killing and decaping. Other times I felt useless. I never died but I couldn’t kill anything or decap/cap because the other team rotated well and dominated my team. Any 1v1 take way too long because thief does not have spike damage if you want to survive more than a few hits….
So I started playing DH. Omg, compared to thief this class is OP. I have amazing condo removal, aoe damage, tons of cc, ranged dps and melee with gs+lb…
It’s just DH is so much better in every way. I even have good escape abilities. Try following a DH dropping traps… Lol…
Thief feels more like a novelty class now. It’s fun and can kill people and is unique. The problem is when it comes to spvp all other classes over the same thing and then more…
I’m half way through emerald. I don’t play everyday. Too much going on irl.
Anyone else feel like this? I have yet to meet a thief that gives me any trouble. Sure I die to them every once in a while when I play bad or everything is on CD. I’ve literally killed thieves by just standing there looking afk on a point. Really I’m just standing on all my traps waiting for him to steal burst me and then get dazed and insta die…
I think they should buff it. I have enough dodges to randomly dodge to avoid dead.
So this build isnt a whole lot different from what i see posted here a lot.
It maximize endurance gain and mobility while keeping good dps.
I have beat several scrapper 1v1 with this. Down side is you miss out on aoe damage and teleports.
Upside is that single target dps is good and provides good single target ranged dps.
Variations can include weakening strikes in DD and condi removal on trick in trickery.
Key with this build is that you can spam evade literally… Run away when you get low and heal for more endurance…
No clue if this works in tpvp or wvw. Adventure rune ftw lol
With virtually infinite evades you can whittle down any class.
Trololololololololed
Shadow refuge doesn’t need a lower cd it needs to give you stealth and immunity to reveal while standing inside of it. Even on low CD it would be useless without improvements to the actual ability itself.
So I took a fairly long break. Few months at least. Stopped playing shortly after HoT because thief was bad.
I noticed they might be buffing acro and sword aa.
Is this really enough? I started playing again yesterday and thief still sucks. I logged on necro and using my version of burn frost I was #1 on hot joins.
I logged into thief after relearning the controls again and was mid way or at the bottom in points. Thief just sucks… Why play thief at the moment? Which is the reason I stopped playing because thief is my class and without it the game is boring to me…
Do we really think from what we have in the limited notes from the stream will be enough?
Thief will always be a profession that’s harder to play when you come back from an absence since it’s a squishy glass cannon that relies on understanding the enemy to some degree.
It’s not a great meta, but it’s not as bad as people make it out to be either. Either way, we’ll see what it looks like later today…
I know this. Which is why i logged on necro first to remember all my bindings and dodges etc.
After i got the hang of it again i swapped to thief.
Daredevil is pretty much a must with current meta imo…
I do prefer the old thief to new thief but in todays meta you need that extra dodge and endurance to avoid damage…
Problem now is that we cant really kill things quickly and can still get bursted down in like 2 hits…
Auto immunities are #1 reason why old thief sucks now and why we need DD. Honestly, every other class just has a better risk/reward ratio than we do. Sure, we can kill noobs and people who have abilities on CD… We dont really compare to equally skilled players… Other classses offer so much more in a pvp match.
Lol war grave in gw2?
Finally quit Daoc?!?
Add me to friends list in game!
Even tho you still hate me I <3 u!
Btw, I sold my accounts to Natebrunner a long time
Ago…
So I took a fairly long break. Few months at least. Stopped playing shortly after HoT because thief was bad.
I noticed they might be buffing acro and sword aa.
Is this really enough? I started playing again yesterday and thief still sucks. I logged on necro and using my version of burn frost I was #1 on hot joins.
I logged into thief after relearning the controls again and was mid way or at the bottom in points. Thief just sucks… Why play thief at the moment? Which is the reason I stopped playing because thief is my class and without it the game is boring to me…
Do we really think from what we have in the limited notes from the stream will be enough?
Opposing team looked like that had some glass cannons with 10k vaults lol…
I’ve moved on for the moment to other games due to anet having their heads up their kitten s I regards to balance…
Pretty sure they will just nerf thief more…
Lol why is it game that shan’t be named?
Also, I am playing assassin and it felt just as squishy as whateve other class I fought in pvp. In fact it seemed more about who pulled off what move and combo and not about what class innately did more damage, etc…
I’ve been playing blade and soul at playbns.com.
Combat is amazing… Wish gw2 was more like it combat wise
P/p + d/p for spvp isn’t bad if you are hotjoining… Prob want staff for higher level of play due to extra evades…
P/p is more viable with dash and daredevil but still kinda sucks overall…
I was playing war and some p/p thief unloaded on me so I hit block and he literally insta downed himself. Pretty funny.
Staff thief is decent… DH are really tough…
Tempest also.
Problem is you have to run staff for those evade frames…
I pretty much spam 5 or 1 in conjunction with evades. I put a 3 in there if I get rooted. 4 and 2 for the most part a useless.
I think all weapon types should feel as evasive as staff and provide endurance on using skills…
DD is fun but staff is lame…
I think staff thief is in a good spot but not amazing… Everything else is kind of sub par. Staff thief reminds me of s/d thief but with more evades and more aoe damage and not as cool animations…
Everything else is pretty much obsolete.
Gaining endurance back for using initiative should be baseline to any weapon…
It’s just, why play thief who has nothing new mechanic wise when I could be playing another class that has a ton of cool new stuff.
-Objective thought-
This may be why devs aren’t buffing the class.
It genuinely needs help, but some people are just jealous of the other classes getting flashy upgrades . It would be irresponsible to buff a class’s damage output or sustain when the majority of complaints about it in truth stem from “Its less cool than X”.
Daredevil should have been baseline to the class. It now feels more like a thief than an assassin… When game came out it should have been called assassin.
It’s more fun to play now as a brawler but our classes still has a lot of nerfs and missing mechanics to make it par with rest of gw2…
Thief doesn’t have a much anymore. Literally, every class does what thief does but better except spam evades…
I like necro and been having fun on berserker burst warrior. Headbut build…
I really think thief sucks because it’s boring and nothing new was added… We got me spec evades and a staff. I don’t like staff I think it’s gay. It might be a good weapon but I think it’s lame. 2h sword would have been better and kept me interested.
It’s just, why play thief who has nothing new mechanic wise when I could be playing another class that has a ton of cool new stuff.
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yea i just cant decide if i like using stab before hand so i cant self stun or using the stun break on zerk mode…
either way its a fun build
Thought this was fun. The play style is to use headbutt and make sure it lands and then burst them down using berserker mode + axe f1 or HB. Runes/Sigil are up for debate.
I’m going to agree with Vincent here….
I would only zerker as staff because you have to take more hits with no Seatlh on the weapon… D/p zerker for sure…
I think daredevil should be baseline for the class… It makes a thief feel evasive and able to stay engaged in fights. Come up with a new site spec… When thief came out it was all about burst…
DD definitely strays away from burst but we have to sacrifice a whole line for what the class should feel like normally…
Mesmers are probably 2nd on the list of lack luster hot builds…
I dunno. I still enjoy playing other classes than thief right now. I guess I was just hoping for more on thief.
Maybe it’s because I don’t like staff. It’s effective but I just don’t think it’s cool.
I’m just giving my first impression of hot… It’s more fun tossing out a fear mark and watching terror and chill both tick for good damage than it is trying to jump onto of people with a staff…
I bought hot a while back and played during beta weekends but stopped playing last month or two or so because I wasn’t having fun on thief…
Played a lot of d3 and console games.
Dragon hunter seems really powerful. I’m just not sure how to play that build either yet.
Just saying that every class got something game changing and all we got was more of the same. Lack luster…
Wow, does thief seem lack luster or what?
The staff thief may be decent. I don’t think thief is a horrible class like it was pre-hot. Fact is that an extra dodge and staff isn’t as good as reaper shroud or berserk mode or Druid form, etc.
Feels like every class got something game changing for them and we got an extra dodge with spec dodges.
Right now I’m loving reaper with chill damage trait…
Working on berserker burst warrior but haven’t come up with decent build yet.
Yes, I tried to play thief but it’s just not as fun as the other classes and all their cool new stuff.
Edit: I haven’t played gw2 since last bwe and then I only played few hours. Basically my first weekend playing gw2 since hot release…
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Trolls will be trolls!
You have to cast palm strike. Kind of like a follow up skill.
I like landing the backstab, then going for the full flury + palm strike for another 2s stun. Usually 1-2 hs do it after that unless they have 25% auto immunity…
I like the following combo:
Queue backstab, steal, fist flurry, spam HS.
Open using basi venom to ensure you get a good stun on the first hit mug does. Make sure you hit the second follow up ability on fist flurry to ensure a 2s stun for spamming HS…
It’s a pretty good burst. I’m running berserker ammy and dash tho instead of maurauder and bound.
Playing diablo3 with a fully decked out ww barb and dominating grift 50s solo is more rewarding than playing a thief in gw2…
Just saying, but I ain’t saying…
He’s prob never played thief before for serious and joined a hot join that happens to have a bunch of noobs in it…
Honestly, I’ve quit gw2 for the moment because of thief hate and neglect by developers.
Been playing season 4 in d3 with some buddies. Pve > getting wrecked in gw2 on thief…
I’d prob be playing revnant or mesmer tho if I was playing.
What’s the point of don’t stop when you have dash?
Just wondering. Two gm traits and one of them is considerably more powerful than the other.
trying to be as constructive as possible, theif feels kind of useless compared to the other elite specs.
bounder is possibly most useless gm trait.
p/p with cs+trick and daredevil seems to be most effective build ive run so far… there might be a s/d build out there…
just feel like all these other classes got something really cool like druid and reaper and we got one extra dodge?
not feeling the love here…