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Mesmer and thief have been vastly OP for almost the entire life of the game.
Hi Welcome to the Gw2 forums, I regret to inform you that criticism of these classes isn’t allowed here on the forums. Instead, please opt to complain about the classes that counter these classes as they are truly the OP ones. Mes and Teef should have zero counters.
Sarcasm aside, both Thief and Mesmer had periods they were trash. On the flip side, You have seen nothing… OG PU Memser, Permastealth Thief were virtually unkillable or straight up unkillable , and Launch Thief and Launch Mesmer were capable of oneshots from stealth all under a second. And confusion was so broken back then you may as well /sit if you see a Mesmer gracious enough not to oneshot you from stealth. That said, I can live with what we have now…. literally.
But heyYour right at the moment, at least for Mantra Mesmer and SB 4... I can't be the only one irritated by the daze, poison and PI?
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Yeah, I have one: Disengage. Mes pours out too many condis or unavoidable CC power bursts they can repeatedly slam you with and generally has a defensive option for every Ranger build.
Your other option is to hold them on point and call for help but if your solo no one will come so it’s better to lose the point then die on it. You can be an extra body elsewhere or wait for them to leave and backcap if they have no portal. Or make them waste the portal and book it once they port back if you have a point lead.
Do not 1v1 Mesmers.
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Allow me to scream and spill salt in this thread as well.
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Hawk – Pet Shop
Elec. Wyvern – Seath
Old names I opted out of because I’d rather have named pets.
Smokescale – Esportaurus Rex
Bristle Back – ZeRail Gun (My Ranger is named Zerail)
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You clearly haven’t played many games then. Yes, there is a bit much CC but it’s no where near as bad as other games. At least you can dodge and stunbreak, I can list several other MMOs where the meta is “stun and done”.
You clearly cant read…. I said in an earlier comment that I couldnt dodge, because I was being CC’ed, while CC’ed. Not much I can do…. Yes I can stun break, but there are very few of those compared to the amount of CC and how fast you die.
You can’t dodge the CC because your CC’d? Try dodging the first CC. As for your stunbreaks get good at using them. Using them to bait big bursts or CDs can be a tide tuner, many times have I baited warriors into thinking I have no stun breaks only to slip away as they go berserk.
You cannot dodge while Immobilized or “Stunned” (Just for simplicity ie; Knockdown, Blowout ect) . In this event, you should be looking to see what your enemy is going to do, trying to set up or if they are going for a kill, Know your enemy before you know yourself. Many CC combos into burts (bar Mesmer atm) can be predicted. Most stunbreaks have a secondary defensive effect, use it to regain control of the battle. You can jump dodge while crippled, chilled ect to ignore the slow effect and get some distance. Immobilize and Fear can be condi-cleansed.
If you haven’t, please take a look at http://qqmore.net/page/3/ it’s going to help you more then any balance patch or person on the forums will.
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You clearly haven’t played many games then. Yes, there is a bit much CC but it’s no where near as bad as other games. At least you can dodge and stunbreak, I can list several other MMOs where the meta is “stun and done”.
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As Bunker Druid, I can sit here and wall a thief all day even with the stab changes. Not easy to pin them down unless they are bad however.
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a raptor – how about it?
Make it a pocket raptor and give me a dozen.
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I’d love to see Spirits Unbound come back and I’ve been pushing for this for years. Necros can run MM, Guards still have Weapons, although both of these are not truly viable Spirits had been nerfed with the boon duration and ICD, with the removal of the Cele Ammy I feel like they wouldn’t be so broken anymore.
Of course, I’m dreaming here. I miss my GS spirit build more then anything else.
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Short answer: No
Long Answer: It is situational. Your DPS isn’t as high as it could be but the dps you lose is traded off for your own suitability and an alternate playstyle that shines in other areas. Most people won’t bat an eye because they see ranger and instantly think kitten and nothing else, which is on them because Ranger and Druid have a lot to offer in reality.
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It’s quite literally the easiest legendary to get, picking up more classes will make you a better player in the long run. Not trying to be mean but tough it out.
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Thief really needs a spamable daze with no cost and Mesmer needs another stun and I think the game will be perfect.
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Anything that can hit players would be nice.
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Running Spirit of Nature is hilarious, the AF gen in teamfights is almost instantaneous and sometimes people go off point to attack it. I imagine double clicking it for the rez might be more useful then placing it and will likely be more useful then SotP now but don’t quote me on that I’m doing this in unranked.
Regardless, I’ve stated my two cents before. The fact the stability can be stolen makes it useless if an advantage for the enemy. Not all the other class skills with pulsing stability were nerfed. It’s unfair. Pusling Stability was a placeholder for player breakbars, CC is too much of an issue right now even with SotP slotted. So many Thevies, Mallix and Necros it won’t matter how much stab you bring, prepare to be a rag doll.
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I’ll give my thoughts on Druid/Ranger
Neutral/Good changes
-Ancient seeds needed the nerf tbh
-Bonfire/Throw Torch nerfs are marginal in PvP, PvE on the other hand….
-Evasive Purity is the best change we got IMO.
-Honed Axes is usable now. Possibly viable.
-Light on your feet would be a godsend… if it worked.
-Refined toxins is almost usable…! But it’s fighting for a slot.
-Strider’s de(of)fense is a neat change on paper, however it’s purely for melee ranger an it’s got Spotter to compete with, mind you your team gets this as does your pet. I’d argue melee ranger would have preferred the projectile destruction, outright cutting a killshot or true shot and denying bow rangers CC can be a big deal, if situational.
-Troll Unguent is arguably our best heal, dropping Nature Magic for Wilderness may very well be our best bet for support in PvP.
The bad
-We heal as one/Resounding timbre seems like a stupid change, it’s impact is minor and the regen was a nice way to pad downtime. If you wanted to nerf AF gen nerf the contribution of regeneration.
-Lunar Impact should not have been nerfed at all. This was a core skill to heal allies and save lives.
-Smokescale should not have been nerfed at all it’s damage was actually in a good place. At least gives cats and birds tracking? We actually have no reliable pet DPS bar Bristleback now.
-SotP is the most offensive change. It’s the best support skill in the game now though, for the enemy team! Free stability for Thief to steal and enjoy 10s of godmode, proceed to be a free kill like a good little Ranger. It saves the lives of starving Necromancers by giving them a tasty treat, that big stack of stability can save their life! Lastly, Mesmers briefly consider boonstripping and toying with you like a DBZ villain but they remember your a Ranger and decide you wont be any fun, using Chronomancy they send you back to 2013 when Ranger was garbage and kill you there.
Overall, I’m willing to put money on Druid falling out of favor for Ele (AGAIN) or whatever new healer spec comes out. Without reliable stability, the overall healing nerf and lack of pet damage, Druid has no place on a competitive team. Sure, you can be great at 1v1s but good luck getting in over an Ele. Looks like those dirty mages win again. So that puts the score to like what 2-4 now? GG Eles.
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Yes they added duration sigils for condis that nobody will ever want duration sigils for.
I know this is more of an outlier, but Condi Ranger really enjoys the perma poison especially if traited.
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The Stab was supposed to be a placeholder(Same with Rampage/Tornado/Lich ect) for a player breakbar but we never got it.
This change irked me more then anything else, I don’t want to return to the days of Thief hard countering Ranger. I’ve stuck with this class since launch, I’ve seen hell and heaven. (Spirit ranger heaven that is) I was elated as a healer main in other games to have received Druid. I have dealt with every single nerf this class has received and lived to see every buff. But this is something big. A single stack of stability gives us zero counterplay to Mesmer and Thief.
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Matchmaking abuse, glad I dodged S5 an S6. Might dodge 7 too. I feel like ever since this system was added in S1 it’s been nothing but Match making abuse.
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Just feel the need to chime in on this. Gw2 has (had? Seems to have mellowed out a bit from Season 1/2 but I digress) one of the most toxic pvp communities.
Im going to say it before you “lol you can’t handle the bantz”. This has nothing to do with friendly or jesting banter, which I am all for as it’s part of pvp etiquette. What I’m talking about is the actual toxicity steaming from rage. That one teammate who throws a temper tantrum because your not carrying them, the one person on the enemy team who begins harassing, the one guy who does nothing but spew offensive language that is pretty much an instant ban in other games. This is of course, discounting feeding, griefing, afking and the such.
But no, bring on the flames because clearly I’m just a sensitive offended person rather then someone who cares about the health of pvp as a whole.
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Most likely yes. The tomes are an old Skill type that the Guardian had and was taken out of the game due to their clunky use. They were fan favorites, but they just didn’t work very well at the time. The skills they had though were extremely good for support. Though Tome of Wrath was focused more on Party Buffs and Burning and Tome of Courage would provide Regen and protection while having a massive AOE healing cone that could heal for an extremely sizable amount.
In another leaked Image I’ve seen the Guardian has 8 Diamonds next to the tomes on their bar (Aka, tomes are replacing Virtues) on the right side of it. They were grey in the image, however My speculation is that they will have a slight glow to them and turn blue when they are filled, similar to Thief’s initiative. However, how they are filled isn’t yet know. My speculation is its going to be linked to boon application and those diamonds will be charges that can be spent on the tome’s skills. This is just speculation on how it works though.
Although I find it extremely funny that Anet is jumping through all these hoops to try and make different professions into healers by using the same mechanical philosophy that a certain light armored profession already has built into her…. Hmmm……
I remember the tomes. They were hilarious in PvP. Gonna make a Guardian then, really hope it ends up support paladin/cleric like with Firebrand.
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What’s killing PvP for me is matchmaking. I’d wait hours on end if I could get a good team and good match of similarly skilled/ranked players. Most matches are decided by the skill of the high MMR player and the low MMR player on your team vs the ones on the enemy team.
It’s frustrating and makes self improvement difficult when your either steamroll the enemy team or get steamrolled in blowout matches quite literally decided by RNG, unless your exceptionally skilled. Consider this, your the high MMR player on your team and the enemy team’s high MMR player is your counter. You’d rely on your teammates ideally, but there is a skill gap here. Your unable to carry the game, let alone do much of anything in this situation. There are plenty more I could think of that highlight how bad this system is, but I’m preaching to the choir.
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I haven’t been keeping up with the leaks past the images. Will this be a true support like Druid/Tempest or is it more of a way to give Guard condi with some support? If not, what class is getting a support spec?
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Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
“I’ve never once fought a Mesmer or played a Rev” -t. Azukas
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Mesmer – Took me three years to learn to play Shatter… I better enjoy the kitten spec.
Ranger – My main, Druid came naturally because I typically play Healers or Tanks. Shoutout to my old Spirit Build(s) and Power Ranger.
Engie – Scrapper is nice because of Rez/Stomp mechanics meaning this isn’t a problem anymore unless it’s on CD.
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Everyone is mad. I cant add anything to the thread that hasn’t been addressed, the trash talk is a cycle of suffering and the mentality of “its just banter pvp tradition xD” isn’t right. Yeah calling your friend profanities is one thing, but purposefully instigating already kittened off people isn’t doing anyone any favors. It’s spreading the fire.
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As someone who made Legendary. No.
It’s never had any prestige either, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. There is always and exploit involved. Or in this season’s case, RNG.
Before anyone gets kitteny with me, let me just say: Season 1, I killed countless legendaries without making it there myself (due to ragequitting) at the end of the day it’s just a badge on your name. You are better off playing ranked with self-improvement on your mind then “grinding”, your skill level isn’t determined by a shiny badge next to your name. It’s by how you play. You aren’t perfect, but no one is. Look for your flaws and iron them out.
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Great map, just needs some major pathing tweeks and it will be my favorite.
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No, if I want traps I’ll play my Condi Ranger, and after the update to Traps. I dont want to play them at all.
When I feel Guardian I feel like you know.. guarding stuff. Or playing a magic swordsman. Guardian in the closest thing to a DnD Cleric so seeing them pick up a longbow and traps is very confusing. I just want to hit peop- er, smite injustice! And protect my allies, but its seems the next xpack will make every class Ranger.
I am ready for Ranger wars 2.
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Fire Wyvern – 166 DPS (How pathetic is that, this test took 20 minutes to deal 200,000 damage)
I’m glad my favorite pet is perfectly viable for pvp.
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ah, i see, rotating to another node and defeating those dhs one by one is to hard (yep, the game is the problem, totally not your gameplay this is sarcasm)
Defeating the DHs 1 by 1 isnt going to happen. With the amount of active defense by the time you burn through RF and the second SoC another DH will be there.
This is honestly my biggest problem with them. so much sustain for minimal to no investment. Throw Thief/Rev/Mes in the mix and its impossible to kill a DH in time before counter rotation is made.
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3DH team. 5DHs when.
/15 char
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I think one of the big issues, is there is no place for new players to learn.
The instant they join PvP, they will struggle to find 1v1 scenarios. And when they do, they are probobly going to get stomped flat and kitten talked just for being new. Its largely a community problem, people aren’t willing to help others at all. When I needed help a few years ago everyone was hush-hush and still is when I ask an occasional question.
Map chat is a common place new players will turn to, and I dont think I need to explain what’s wrong with that.
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Just make a DH, perpetuate the problem so Anet might fix it.
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1v1s is a disaster. A TEAM game should not be balanced around 1v1s.
2v2s or 3v3s would be nice though.
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Here is the actual skill rankings of the classes.
Listed from most skill requiring to least skill requiring.
1. the class I main
2. my second favorite class
3. the class that sucks against my favorite classes
4. the class that is meh against my favorite classes
5. non-viable class
6. non-meta class.
7. class that is ok against my second favorite class
8. class that is ok against my main
9. class that counters my main.
This post is gold.
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Maybe if they put a tiny bit of thought into what PvP means, they wouldn’t have added PvE. It’s kind of one reason I don’t like Legacy. It has PvE… Same thing with Forest. Temple is great because it has other objectives that don’t involve any PvE at all.
But unlikely Legacy and Forest, the objective is to kill the Lord. In Conquest maps, they are secondary objectives, not primary.
Another reason I think we don’t like Stronghold is because balance is so wonky and they keep kittening around with amulets, but instead of putting their resources into that, they make a PvE PvP map. Making another PvP map would be a waste too, but not as much… At least it’s PvP.
Guild Lords were in a thing in Gw1.
Both WoW, Rift, Aion LotRO and several others I’m sure but cant get off the top of my head have PvE aspects in PvP. The wildly successful MOBA genre (Which Stronghold is trying to be.) incorporates PvE in PvP and in not one of these games is that an issue.
The issue is that this is MMO PvP, and aside Stronghold we only have one game mode, Conquest.
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Its a time sink. Also what fluffball said.
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No, and unless you really really want it for vanity, you aren’t missing out on much “prestige” due to the events over the past four seasons..
In any case, what Division are you in? If your in Amber/Emerald it should be doable even with the project.
In the event you cant get it and feel that you’re less then those who do have it, items/titles aren’t going to prove your worth, your fights are.
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Can deal with one DH typically be it team fight or/1v1, most of them run the same rotation and dont change up their plan of attack because it’s the fotm players.
My problem is when there is more then one in a team fight the area denial becomes so absurd no way I can support my team through it. I had to switch to Mes to play the portal game and try and outrotate to win recently. (Thief isnt an option for this because of DH.)
Dont care if there are ways around it. When avoiding fights is netting more wins then trying for actual team fights there is a problem.
I will tell you what’s wrong with the new DH.
-Area Denial, as mentioned.
-Stomp/Rez control like old Mercy Guard.
-The ability to deal obscene bursts and (in the menders build) heal your allies pretty well between symbols and dodge rolls.
Again, alone this isnt too bad, but when it’s stacked we’ve got problems.
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The amount of contradiction is just….
http://i.imgur.com/65exmSV.gif
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I wanted to take solace in the fact I dropped Gw2, I wanted to come laugh, but wew lad.
I’m not even playing anymore and I’m angry.
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I can try if I see him again. I have the original screenshots w/ names but cant “name and shame”.
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So I’d like to just take a second and inform you all of this horrendous game.
I get in a game with a good mindset to improve myself as a player.
The game starts off as a 4v5. Turns out, someone on the enemy team paid our mesmer to DC and make it a 4v5. He comes back last second even…. the enemy team starts talking trash after we call them out to boot.
http://i.imgur.com/dYVMc8t.jpg
And I know this isn’t uncommon. And I know none of these players will be banned/suspended/infracted/anything. I suppose this is pay to win in a whole different sense!
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Fixing the current pets before adding new ones. They need a bump because Ranger as a whole relies on pets for situational battles. Many of them are bad or need a tune up to the current pets.
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“Ele is the hardest class, it takes the most skill of any class!”
“Ele is bunker trash! NERF NERF NERF NERF ITS EASY MODE!”
Can you people make up your mind? Im so tired of all this community. So very tired…
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Yep. I’m not even surprised anymore. Why do I browse the forums again?
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“Rev is fine”
No, its not. Half the class is useless and the other half is borderline broken. The Sword 2 is insane if you are alone. There is so much crap to dodge on Rev you just CANT avoid every crucial skill or CC. On top of that you have to watch the buff bar at all times. Once tiny screw up vs a good Rev and its instantly GG.
If everything else is nerfed, and Rev is unchanged, Rev will be walking death.
I’d point out everything else wrong in the OP but even so I can guarantee this post will be ignored anyway. Doesn’t matter what anyone or I say. What is argued or how good an argument you make. Everyone thinks they are right and are entitled.
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1. Scrapper and Druid
2. Reaper and Dragon Hunter
3. Herald, Daredevil and Tempest
4. Chronomancer and Berserker
(And this is without core specs, and about most popular builds)
No. Switch Druid with Daredevil, DH with Herald and possibly..
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