Guild Wars 2

I have been away from the game for months, I come back and I still see people complaining about DH’s and I still have NO idea why.

I’ve played upto Legendary, I don’t think and never have thought they are OP in ANYWAY at ANYTIME. They are good for lower levels of PvP where people run around essentially blind spamming skills, running straight onto points and in no way make any attempt at counterplay.

DH’s, especially your average ones of ANY current DH build are easy to counter, predict and kill.

How can you guys still be crying about Dragon Hunters? How? No spot in tournaments for how long and yet everyone still cries about them? Traps easy to avoid by the multitude of things people have already listed.

If you are dying to Dragon Hunter traps the problem is YOU not the DH. The only time I ever and I mean EVER die to a trap is when a DH medi-ports to me when I’m already fighting someone else, I don’t see them coming and get trap bombed. That’s it.

If I see a DH on a point I know he’s gonna have trap under him, if he’s bad he’s dropped all three, if’s he’s really good, he won’t have dropped any traps. Either way I know he’s going to a) Try to pull me or Try to bait me, either way I have dodges, blocks, evades etc… etc.. to help me.

If you are dying to DH traps or worse still if you are in ranked and dying to DH traps then you need to practice, learn and get better. Stop crying about a class that has no placed in the upper tiers of ranked and can be so easily countered by BASIC gameplay.

Sandzibar.5134:

Agree with him completely. Ok changes but nothing stellar.

Reinforces the medi build as the best option.
Ignores the broken/useless traits and utilities.
Mobility and sustain still underwhelming.
Aegis and Retaliation still need work.

Yet people still cry about Guardian’s and cry for nerfs.

ZoroDaOtter.3859:

Because they keeping getting baited by a lone DH standing on point then promptly die to 4 DH traps.

That’s not the DH’s fault. If people are too stupid enough to repeatedly facetank into traps, that’s THEIR issue. Besides no decent DH will be doing that anyway, I never leave traps on points.

That’ what i say to them, it is extremely easy to counter, i even had a necro ccalling for DH nerfs. I have played GW2 from the first beta and pretty much know most if not all of the current builds, so I know how to counter them, I am not the best DH my a long shot. I do tend to finish games with close to 300 points and usually close too 18-20 kills so i think i do ok.

Guaranteed i will get several whispers of abuse, trap spammer, DH takes no skill etc.. where does DH stand on the percieved skill scale? I play aggressve, always zerk builds, dont rely on passives use my traps for interupts and re-positioning. I dont spam traps etc… i certainly think its got a higher skill ceiling than my necro or rev.

Why is there so so much hate for DH builds? Especially trapper builds? I play DH ttrapper builds because I find it fun and I do well with it. I even play it in ranked, I still get a lot of abuse from playing it.

Why is there still so much hate against these builds when DH has been in the low tier for competitive PvP for months now? Why do people say it has a low skill requirement? I am no pro player but I do well enough to hold my own in ranked matches.

Are you guys joking? DH has too much sustain? Have you seen a Ranger running Druid Menders? And tanking 2-3 players while killing them? What about inspiration Chrono Bunkers? Paladin Scrappers the list goes on.

So many people still complain about DH Trap builds, they aren’t even viable for high level ranked and yet people still complain for nerfs, can someone honestly tell me why?

I have been away from the game for a LONG time, I jumped back on last week ran the same reaper spec I’ve ran for ages and literally dominated everyone I came across. Players are STILL not building to counter conditions, instead they choose to scream in chat or rampage on the forums.

There was one player who started crying at me via whispers, he’d faced me in about 4 matches, I asked him how many condi-cleanses he had in his build, he said NONE. After game ONE he should have though, right if I’m going to face this condi Necro, I best run some condi-clear. Instead he chose to fight on with his same boon spam build (thanks for the easy corruptions) and instead chose to complain because he didn’t at any point, attempt to counter me and made no effort to understand why I was crushing him repeatedly. This is about 90% of the player base.

My rambling point is this, players are either too lazy or too ignorant to figure things like this out. This is what you get for playing a CASUAL game (I blame aNet as this game had SO MUCH POTENTIAL), there is no hardcore element left in GW2, no players who actually think and change builds to counter like they used too.

Think. Think. Think. A lot of the players complaining are probably ones that relied on bunker builds that had to much sustain from things like Celestial or Durability. The people who’ve complained to me the most are all players who relied on Celestial based builds.

Reapers had excellent boon corruption before the balance patch. Yes it was slightly buffed, but players are still finding their feet with the new ammys.

Wolfric.9380:

Another class like dragon hunter. Yes reaper is powerful and fun to play.
I only loose against condi reapers (i guess its the TerrorMancer) ….
Last fight was yesterday eavening one with some pets. Killed him without being in danger… It seems i win most of the fights where people complain OP ness, because i use a ranged weapon combinded with some missile defence and a few powerful point blank attacks for a single melee burst.

Exactly. Range, kite and burst when they are OUT of shroud. The Condi Reaper build using Wanderers is really, really strong. If they get you in the fear chain you will take terror + chill damage.

All this talk about damage coefficients and lot’s of waffle. You HAVE to be in range to be chilled, whether that is from melee attacks, procs from weapon swaps, Reaper Shroud etc… etc… etc…

Kite. It’s as simple as that, Kite. Dodge, use range time your blocks, don’t stay in melee range when a Necro switches to shroud. Scythe has a hideously long cast time you can see it coming a mile off, don’t stand in the ice field!!!!!! Reaper auto hit’s out only too 170. Save your “oh poop” skills for when the GOOD reapers try to combo you to keep you in place.

There are also a few main reaper play-styles/builds, Mara Power, Celestial Signet and Wanderer TerrorMancer. Of these Power Reaper is the easiest to kill, Celestial Signet has a ton of sustain and can hit you hard IF you stay in melee range.

Now a Wanderer TerrorMancer is by far the hardest to beat, if it’s played by an experienced player and will absolutely dominate if you let them

Range, kiting and mobility will help you beat reapers, not nerfs.

emkelly.2371:

Dragon hunter is an area denial/punishment build designed to spike nown enemies quickly. they have an arguably better longbow than rangers, better traps than rangers, better suitability than warriors, and have the bonus of being flexible. in short DH does everything you need it to do. The Specialization is over powered.

use the class to set up a battle field and support your allies. you can use only two or three traps to spike players down quickly, or you can even use 5 traps to become a battlefield skirmisher. The only drawback is that you are slow, except when you actually get in combat…super speed FTW. you can also use the rune of the trapper to sneak past enemy lines and surprise them with a well times true shot.

Stangely I have noticed that most DH players just play the meta and only know the basics, but the dragon hunter can do oh so much more than what you see players do.

Yes, it’s OP!! Right that’s why ESL is full of Dragon Hunters….

Wait a minute, not ONE SINGLE DRAGON HUNTER is used in ESL. If they are so brokenly OP, why aren’t they being used in ESL? If they are such a fantastic uber profession like you make them out to be, surely the best teams would be playing them?

Just for your edification, latest breakdown:

Revenant 10 [8 Shiro/Malyx, 2 Shiro/Glynt]
Ele 7
Engi 7
Mesmer 7
Necromancer 5
Ranger 4

Dragon Hunters are no where near OP. They punish BAD lazy players, good players just time the their dodges/blocks/evades and negate traps completely.

Do what I do, kill Dragon Hunters with Daredevil, apparantly daredevil is op..lol

Khenzy.9348:

I don’t know why people keep saying Revenant when in reality it’s the Herald. More specifically the Glint/Shiro legends, which also reciently got nerfed significantly. The core Revenant is low tier at best and it has no viable builds in this current (evolving) meta.

This is true, even with all the information people are posting, advising players on how to counter UA and some other fundamental tips, they will still cry for nerfs. Good players, good revenants will still land full UA chains on people because they will bait blocks/cooldowns then burst when the opponent is vulnerable. THAT is the reason why people will cry and complain unil it’s nerfed into uselessness, because thats’s easier than figuring out how to counter it.

What love? It is a UTILITY weapon, it’s not for damage. Daredevils staff is a DPS weapon stop comparing apples and oranges. I use staff in my sPvP builds and I love it.

All the QQ threads are from people who can’t play and can’t be bothered to learn counterplay. The complaints are probably from the same tards who keep walking face first into dragon traps.

I play mara rev sword/shield + staff. People very rarely bother to block my UA, or counter me properly, they spam dps on me when my glint heal is up and thry expect me not to use crystal hibernation when they try to burst me. I’ve been called OP by chrono mesmers and reapers….lol I’m weak to conditions and have no ranged ability whatsoever, but peoplet still complain.

If some silly reaper was chasing me around with his GS, trying to AA me to death, I would promptly turn around and put him on his as lol.

I was chatting to a new player yesterday who quit the game because of this exact thing. I find it even funnier that all the players doing the zerging are rank 80 legendary players who obviously have a lot of experience in PvP and feel the need to zerg newer inexperianced players in hot join.

glaphen.5230:

Jekkt.6045:

infuse light is 3s.

Guess they nerfed it, either way it has a cast speed advantage plus it gives regeneration, but since they still got 6k from Shiro and 4kx2 and 2k from shield it’s free.

Stop making numbers up, the Shirt heal is pitiful unless you actually manage to land so decent damage with it Wings of Resolve heals more on Dragon Hunter and t teleports you out of range.

Anyone with a brain will wait for crystal hibernation to end, CC the rev and kill them

Laraley.7695:

If you think rev has too much sustain, it’s you who is giving them the sustain.

They might have two heals, but they use Herald, which heal doesn’t even give them 2HP if you’re using your brain and then Shiro, which has quite an easy counterplay, too.

Crystal hibernation can be interrupted, Unrelenting Assault can be interrupted, Phase Traversal now has a cd. What exactly do you want? For the class to be completely unviable?

I think they do. I have had a Reaper ranting at me today, shouting at Rev’s for being OP. Reapers are currently top tier in PvP right now and if you know what your doing, you can dominate. This guy wasn’t blocking, didnt’ evade/dodge, didn’t time ANY of his burst abilities. Pounded on me when Glint was on etc… etc…

Rev is a great class if played well, it has counterplay, lot’s of counterplay but people as per usual don’t want to put the effort in to figure out and think about what’s the best way to beat them.

It’s the same with Dragon Hunters, if you think I’m OP on a Rev, you should see me on a trap DH. And I bet the same people who run repeatedly into my traps and allow me to telegraph my burst onto them, are the very same people who will run to the forums and cry about it.

It’s getting tiresome.

OH and Pro Tip. Conditions absolutely wreck Rev’s. So go play a condi spam cheese bunker or something.

i got called a “trap vomiting noob” earlier on. So no. BTW the person who called me a trap vomiter, was a D/D Celestial Ele who repeatedly stormed head first into my burst rotations, every single time. LOL

I’ve been playing DH a lot since the new patch landed and the tuning down is most definitely needed. The nerfs aren’t actually that bad and I’m lad they are taking the approach of just tonight down, instead of outright heavy handed nerfs.

Oraxis.9705:

Just accept the class has too much damage for its sustain. Saying otherwise is plain insanity.

Utter bullkitten. The biggest offender of sustain abuse is D/D Celestial Ele. That is a perfect example of too much damage for it’s sustain.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

If you’re hitting a Revenant during Glint Heal that’s your fault.

THIS is the problem. People are too ignorant to figure things out, this is why they come on the forums and cry about something being OP when they don’t even understand it.

Unfortunately aNet cave to these cry baby’s and we are going to watch aNet nerf revs into useless-ness.

Gredge.5719:

I’ve been mentioning this to people in game: along with what Yak is saying, the Revenant appears simple, but when you look at all of their skills, they are jam packed with utility.

Wait about a month, then you’ll start seeing Revenant pvp videos showing off just how to put all this utility into action, and it’ll make you want to play a Revenant again.

Exactly, I get scoffed at for using staff in my offensive builds but the utility is hard to ignore, staff has saved my butt in so many situations, especially 2v1’s and the knock back on staff 5 is awesome for interupting stomps or rezzes.

Tiggers.3890:

Hmm that’s a little disappointing looking at the rev skill set there is so many evades and blocks and reflects built in that I felt it would have a really high skill cap and be incredible when mastered… But it sounds like all I have to do is jump on a guy activate the super speed and auto attack away… Meh.

If you do that against any competent player you will lose. No one with a brain will eat a full sword 3 channel, they will block, evade, then turn round and smash you too bits as you will have no energy to defend yourself.

Rev actually takes some finesse to play, against good players you will have to time your burst while trying to stay alive, I rarely ever use superspeed. Arrange some duels against people that can really play their classes and you will see.

jayson.6512:

Hammer is too good to be swap with staff unless i think you are a support type. It save my butt from annoying stealth thief and mesmer you know Hammer #3 and #5 or sometimes the #2 if they are trying to kite me.

I think it might come down to personal preference and playstyle. Staff has saved my butt numerous times. I’m going to start looking at hammer builds, trying to figure what works best for me before the ranked season starts.

I haven’t tried this particular build yet, I run glint/sin, staff, Sword + shield, mara + multiple runes. You will struggle with condition pressure, I’m able to deal with it through healing, Sword 4 and 5, evasion and block on staff and being extremely aggressive with my dps. My playstyle is to apply as much upfront burst as possible, get them on the back foot so they can’t free cast condis onto you.

I absolutely LOVE fighting Dragon Hunters. I watch them put down there traps, then watch them staring at me in utter confusion when I don’t immediately rambo in on point and insta-gib myself.

As others have said, after a few traps to the face I’m sure people will figure it out.

Nyel.1843:

Still the staff skills are lacking.

At least one of the skills should apply a condition, mostly confusion. The skills are mediocre at best. And those healing orbs last for 2 seconds, that’s nothing. And the skill 2 counter is awful, too.

The staff is lacking something. Yes, it’s a support weapon but it’s just bad right now.

Why should it add confusion? It’s NOT a DPS weapon, it’s NOT a condition weapon. It’s for UTILITY. The only skill that needs a rework is skill 2 as it very rarely connects. A lot of people who complain about staff just don’t know how and when to use it. Staff 3 is a fantastic block on a decent cooldown. Staff 5 gives you an evade, gap close, escape or interrupt. I mean it’s a 3 target knockback that does damage, t’s fantastic for interrupting rezzes/stomps.

I think staff is a lot better than people think, you just have to change your perception of the weapon and not ask for aNet to change it to what you think it should be.

Seklies.2186:

I pretty much main in Glint, Sword/Shield + Hammer.
Hammer #3 Evades as well, Shield tanks the damage while I block all in coming damage.

I don’t die as easily as you might think. Also as weird as this may sound, when using the assassin traits (#3 skill) with the sword I mainly use that as a evade, damage is just a bonus.
Previously I was running Axe, but the shadow step wasn’t worth it, thus I swapped back to Shield.

You use sword 3 as evade!?! You should be using sword 3 as your main source of burst. If you time it and line it up correctly, it will nearly one shot nearly anyone who is glass unless they get lucky with defensive procs. It will at the very least put them on the back foot while you finish them.

I don’t think the axe shadow step is working properly seems to bug out a lot. I have to admit I haven’t really messed with hammer much since early betas, I might give it a go tonight but I will really miss the utility of my staff.

As others have said, Staff is not meant to be a damage wapon it’s a utility weapon. Learn to use it.

I’m really enjoying Rev right now. I run Marauder, Glint + Shiro. Sword/Shield +Staff. It’s a lot of fun, weak against heavy hitting ranged zerk classes but you have the tools to get close to them and once you do, you can melt them pretty quickly. You are easily countered by condition pressure with virtually no cleanses (staff 4 cleanse broken), which gives it balance.

Azure.8670:

Loco.4561:

Azure.8670:

rev staff is unbelievably awful imo

If you think staff is awful, you don’t know how to use it yet. It’s a great weapon.

really? what are you using it for? im curious. I was using it for break bars originally but hammer 5 + jade wind takes care of it just as fast or better.

pvp I cant get anything done with it and ive never been bothered by anyone that used it against me

I use it in multiple situations. I’ll switch to staff after landing unrelenting, follow the burst up with a staff 5 knockdown, dodge roll to them, staff 2 normally interrupts the panic heal they are trying to do and the player is normally down. The staff 3 block is on a short CD. Staff 5 can be used to evade, escape and interrupt stomps. Staff will be even better once they fix the condi cleanse on staff 4. It’s saved me multiple times being able to chain an evade, block then switch to sword/shield for another block.

I’ve killed so many DH’s that expect me to run straight into their traps that I’ve lost count lol I just range them or bomb Aoe where they are standing. Easy.

What if they changed staff 2 to a short range leap that still interupted if someone was mid-cast? Would fit in with other staff rev skills.

Azure.8670:

rev staff is unbelievably awful imo

If you think staff is awful, you don’t know how to use it yet. It’s a great weapon.

You could probably hold a point against a war, if you stayed mobile enough but you would have to use staff + sword/shield and save endurance if he’s running hammer.

You won’t hold a point against a dragon hunter or a burn guard for that matter.

Burtnik.5218:

Seklies.2186:

Your signature, went right over your head, eh?

As for why you believe this is not a viable build please feel free to post back-up behind statements.
Also due to my experience and my play style I find this build to work like a charm. I enjoy trap settings.

Terrible traits. Lack of defense. You will die to anyone competent if they just look at you. All you have is evade from UA and hammer. 0 blocks.

Pretty much the above. Your trying to run a similar build to sword/shield + staff, but I guess you like the hammer. The staff build works because of weapon set evades and blocks on shirt enough cool downs to make it work.

I’d imagine most competent players will burst yout down in no time

tarcheg.4872:

It’s pretty dmg orientated.
What do you do against conditions?

I’d image he dies, very, very quickly lol

it’s only taken, what about a day for people to start crying about Revenants. If you think Rev’s are the OP, then you haven’t played much lol

Players are still not changing their builds to counter burning. Where as pre-patch you could get away with tanking/ignoring burning damage, you cannot do that post patch as it now is a significant threat, which is why I imagine aNet changed it in the first place, so that you could effectively burst with condition pressure.

This is the real problem and it has been the problem since this game launched. In a casual game like this, players are lazy. They don’t want to have to sacrifice their burst potential to cleanse, they expect to have their cake and eat it. So they come to forums and complain about burning damage.

So what will happen now is this, aNet will over-nerf burning thus reducing build diversity. General conditions will still be strong and people still wont have to actually change their build to use cleanses, becuase with burning nerfed they probably will not need too.

Traditional conditions will still be strong, however. With the excessive damage/burst potential of some professions, that will not be a problem. With burning out of the way, they will be able to burst you down before you can apply any significant condition damage to hurt them.

Bringing on the era of: One Shot Wars 2.

messiah.1908:

i had 2 sigil of generosity

i dont complain about beeing out played 2v1 rather being down in 3 sec cause burning did about 10k dps from both (5k each )

did you all watch the video of some player testing this build against all classes

thiev was down in 2 sec

also as saiyen said to counter it we must plya out of the point from range- -lossing points while they control it even if we won 1 point we lost 2 other

and as i always mention about burning guard even b4 the patch . the burning is 1 condition but easily applied over and over thus cleans it wont save you after 4 cleanse.

and i played condi mesmer. my team was thief, engi, warrior and pug

You still don’t get my point. 2 of ANY profession would do that you. How is it easily applied over and over? It simply is not the case. You also massivly outrange them, have stealth, blind on shatter and you should be able to kill them in one rotation.

This is simply, you getting upset that you have died and instead of learning how to counter something using the new traits aNet gave mesmers (and they are some very nice buffs to condi cleanse) your trying to fight condition heavy players with your standard zerk shatter mesmer with one cleanse and expect to win? This is now a typical scenario we see on the forums, instead of players learning and getting better, they come on the forums and expect nerfs.

messiah.1908:

the problem with it even if its only 1 condition is that it got huge dmg dot. 5-6k dps which few combo can get it.
i got null field and 2 sigil and torch and i still got killed because 2 guard target me so its doable dmg so in 2 sec i got killed unless i run away.
in 1v1 i won but in 2v1 i lost if i havent back away. so in pvp where you nedd to cap points 2 guards like that can win 2v2 and even 2v3 as its aoe dmg

also mesmer cant get those numbers in condi build
also necro cant
condi ele can and condi engi with burning skills

So let me get this straight. You win 1v1 and you lost 2v1, so your complaining that your new shiny OP mesmer should what…? be able to win 2v1 against 2 x burst medi guards? 4 of ANY profession will cause you problems, as others have eluded other professions can dor more condi damage than guardians.

I haven’t played my mesmer competitively for months, I logged on, adjusted my old interupt build and proceeded to wreak havoc on everyone I came across. Surprised at the burst capabililty, feels and looks broken to me. I shouldn’t be able to literally one-shot anyone who isn’t bunker with such ease.

With the current state of the mesmer, I think complaints about mesmers at the moment is competely warranted. Hopefully aNet will listen (lol) and shave some of the damage down a little.

Game has turned into: 1Shot Wars 2

aNet. How about you fix PvP? You created this absolute mess, the game is in dissoray, bugged abilites doing double damage. TTK is now rediculous, you can be killed in a matter of seconds. Condition damage especially burning is to much.

Grenade Barrage bug. Why this isn’t being addressed IMMEDIATELY is mind boggling, this ability is essentially game-breaking allowing engineers in ranked matchs to turn fights in there favour when they should not be able too by usin a broken ability.

There needs to be an overall damage reducation accross ALL professions. Shave at least 20-40% off the top of damage then look at it again.

This doesn’t bode well for Heart of Thorns, I certainly won’t be buying it at release, because off the back of this disaster, god knows what the balance will be like when HOT lands.

I am losing ranked matches that shouldn’t be losses because all engi’s in these matches are winning fights they wouldn’t normally win because of Grenade Barrage literally one-shotting players.

Gamebreaking? I think so. FIX IT ANET. FIX IT NOW.

What the hell is up with the editing? What’s with the wavy screen effect? I actually had to stop the video and check my monitor, I thought it had broke!!

You spam a lot of your abilities, I have no idea how you won some of the those fights, lucky I guess. Quite why you even bother speccing into Path of Corruption, I don’t know because you never use it correctly. You take Weakening Shroud but dont’ pop death shroud in close quarters enough to make use of the ability. You put Fire + Air on a slow casting weapon and more to the point it’s a waste, this isn’t a “Hyrbid” build, it’s a condition build with some zerker gear left in that you probably had lying around. Chill of death is devastating in a zerker build, that’s what’s it’s for. If you actually played just a standard terror mancer build, you’d get more kills.

I think you probably won these fights from Necro’s ability to inately bunker and do damage almost by accident from spamming abilities and getting some lucky terror procs from your fears. And nearlly every single one of the people you fought against were awful, awful players.

Roe.3679:

Like the changes coming, especially to skyhammer. Kudos to Anet.

Please tell me they are removing it from the rotation?

Congratulations aNet. You have just killed my powermancer build and I’m sure you have wrecked the playstyle of many other necro’s out there.

And to all those saying it’s a “bug fix”, if it was that important to change this, why not do this TWO YEARS ago instead of letting people get used to a playstyle and mechanic so much so that it becomes core to Necromancers and how people play shroud builds.

I used to use DeathShroud in defensive/offensive fashion, I’d pop it fear, go back to dagger, dps some, switch back to soak some burst, back into normal play etc… etc… it required timing and skill. You have now REMOVED this counterplay from the profession.

It’s a stupid, stupid change.