Guild Wars 2

aNet will NEVER increase the damage on Torment, because the same people who cried about confusion would cry about torment. aNet seems to cater for those lazy players who rather than not attacking (confusion) or not moving (Torment) would rather keep the ability to press 222222 until their fingers bleed.

The continual dumbing down of anything that requires any kind of thought to use or gives a penalty to a player is being removed from this game to cater for casual, lazy players. A shame really.

Why don’t Kodash players EVER let people 1v1??? You always just gank, you have no respect whatsoever for anyone trying to do some solo/small scale stuff. I have lost count of the amount of times I have had duels interrupted by groups of Kodash who then corpse jump you or do /laugh emotes. I was trying to 1v1 a very good Kodash Engineer earlier and the duel kept on repeatedly getting interrupted by numerous groups of 5+ players going for cheap easy kills, even when your own people ask you not attack you still do.

Honestly I would be embarrassed if I had to get cheap kills from interrupting arranged duels/small group fights.

BlackDevil.9268:

juno.1840:

Chaos Storm would get quite a bit more powerful in an interrupt-traited build — do you agree?

You would at first even hope to get a daze off, then be lucky someone is standing in it without stability and then be lucky to daze while he’s casting a skill.

Not to mention if he’s running -97% cond duration it wont even apply immobilize.

This, essentially. While it’s nice to try it, the interrupt works better using pistol to try and time the interrupt when they are casting. I too was hoping I would see lot’s of interrupts on Chaos Storm, I would be lucky to see one if I dropped it on a group that were fighting in that spot.

Using the focus pull to interrupt is even harder since the 1 second delay was added, I found GS Illusionary Wave to be better for generating interrupts than Chaos Storm.

As BlackDevil.9268 said, it’s better to run a Shatter/Condi/phantasm build instead.

Pyroatheist.9031:

It seems to be that balancing and changes with regards to the mesmer class are being made while completely out of touch with the reality of this game. This patch only exemplifies that more.

Good Changes

1. The Phantasmal Berserker was fixed. This is a good change. Unfortunately, it comes 6 months too late to deserve any applause or thanks.
2. Bounce logic was fixed. This is a good change. Unfortunately, similar to the phantasmal berserker, this is a bug fix, and deserves only minor applause and thanks.
3. Interrupt traits were significantly boosted. Unfortunately, due to the nature of interrupts, most of these traits still aren’t strong enough to base a build around.
4. Phantasm hp was significantly increased in PvE and slightly increased in PvP. A good change, but more on this later.
5. Signet of illusions was fixed so that it applies immediately. A good change but again, more on this later.
6. Shattered conditions is now aoe

That’s about it. Now for the bad changes.

1. Blurred frenzy is now an evade. It also has a its base cooldown increased by 20%
2. Signet of illusions passive effect reduced to 50% down from 200%
3. Vengeful images now only applies retaliation for 5 seconds after the summon of a phantasm
4. Illusionist’s celerity moved from 5 point minor to 25 point minor

These are abbreviated versions. There are obviously more changes that I didn’t touch upon, but these are the only changes that (in my opinion) actually make a difference.

Here is the main issue. The positive changes to our traits and skills are relatively minor or are complete bug fixes. On the other hand, the nerfs are massive. Anet is obviously spending developer and programmer time figuring out effective ways to nerf mesmers, while completely ignoring the parts of our class that are still completely broken. I will now list the largest offenders.

1. The iMage could be replaced with a placeholder saying “This skill does nothing” and nobody would care
2. The scepter (even after this addition of torment) is completely useless. There are 0 situations outside of a glamour build in wvw that the scepter is better than the sword, greatsword, or staff unless one ignores all functions of the scepter other than the block itself.
3. Phantasmal haste still does not apply to 2 of our phantasms: Swordsman and mariner
4. Illusionary elasticity still does not apply to staff clones
5. Wastrel’s punishment is still useless
6. Mantras are still extremely underwhelming with underwhelming and poorly designed traits
7. Due to the nature of interrupts, the interrupt traits are still of very limited use

These are a lot of massive problems. However, instead of fixing these problems, Anet decides to hand out significant nerfs. The nerf to signet of illusions, in my opinion, is reasonable, but that’s pretty much it. Blurred frenzy is nerfed twice, once in evade and once in cooldown. Vengeful images is, for all intents and purposes, no longer a trait. Lastly, Illusionist’s Celerity is moved from 5 point minor to 25 point minor, nerfing every single build that is not shatter.

And as if all that weren’t enough, these changes are made in the name of build diversity. Anet is telling us “These changes are actually good for your class. We are doing this to help you.”

Build diversity eh? These changes make a tank build very difficult to play effectively now. They vastly remove potential diversity from both PvE and PvP phantasm builds. They significantly nerf the already very weak condition builds that mesmers have. Across the board, all non-shatter builds that mesmers have are negatively impacted, most in very significant ways.

The small buffs that they gave us are insignificant. Shattered conditions is nice, but with the other changes, it’s now much more difficult to use it effectively. The interrupt traits are nice, but when you couple that with the other changes they just become another shatter variant. Bounce logic was fixed, but builds that rely on that (conditions) are even weaker now.

On top of all this, the phantasm builds that were stupidly overpowered in a 1v1 are still stupidly overpowered in a 1v1. A small cooldown nerf won’t change that. People are still going to get facerolled by any competent phantasm build player and they’ll just cry for more nerfs.

Summary
These changes accomplished nothing positive for the mesmer class. The fact that they were made in the name of build diversity is insulting to every intelligent mesmer player. These changes, far from providing build diversity and flexibility, have significantly lowered the diversity of the mesmer class and restricted the flexibility our builds have. This is far and away the most devastating and most ill-conceived patch since this game was first released.

Thankyou Pyroatheist.9031, everyone needs to read this excellent summary of the changes.

Special thank you to PUNK for some awesome fights last night, will defo keep in touch with you guys, good luck for your next matchup!!!

Shifty.3412:

Never seen so many bad roamers from a server as i have from Piken, very funny all the people in the “big name guilds” and how bad they are split from the group, keep coming.

I roam solo on my mesmer or Ele, most DL/FSP run from a solo mesmer or try to hide in a camp/tower. I have fraps footage of fights this week against groups of FSP and DL, including a couple of 1 vs 5 fights, one 1 vs 7 fight against DL, where I downed three, the remaining 4 then ran into the nearest tower and jumped on arrow carts. I probably won’t post these vids, because it’s not fair on the people I was fighting against.

every server has players that are better in larger or smaller groups, some have players that are better in none :P as others have said if people are specced in a certain way, for group play if you catch them alone and your specced for 1v1 / 1vX then you are going to have a big advantage.

I will keep an eye out for that DeX guild tag, you might already be in one of my vids, if you ain’t I’ll find you and add you to my collection

@street How can you honestly say that Piken plays like RS. We are not hiding inside keeps / towers spamming arrowcarts when we outnumber someone 5 to 1. This is not an opinion held just by Piken, when I chat to other servers, they echo the same thing about RS and AM. Since you guys have such a numbers advantage why don’t you practice more, Learn some tactics, try a more open Playstyle, you may find you enjoy it more. Not sure why you feel the need to keep posting in another matchups thread just makes you look bitter.

I have been impressed by both DL and FSP, both have represented themselves really well in a difficult matchup. I have enjoyed talking to and playing against both servers. it’s a shame you don’t have a lot of WvW oriented players, I think you could do well with more numbers.

so I take my hat off to both servers and hope you both get a fairer matchup for next week.

Why are there dev/mod responses to threads on FIREWORKS but none about game-breaking lag? LOL

PinCushion.7390:

The class needs an overhaul.

It has:

Low build diversity
Limited use outside of a narrow role (PvP Roaming)
A playstyle that only functions at the expense of everyone else’s fun
Depends on a core mechanic that has no counter

I’m not saying “OMG Nerf Thief!” I’m saying “Make Thief a Versatile, Fun Class.”

And by “Fun,” I mean fun for everyone and not just the Thief. In PvP, if I get my tail beat by most classes (e.g. a Ranger) I can think, “Wow, that guy’s a great player” or “Holy cow, how’d he get so much cleansing in his build?” Those are rewarding experiences, even if I lose! With a Thief I can’t really do that, mostly because I can’t see them for much of the fight and can’t keep them targeted long enough to get any information about boons/food/sigils. I can’t develop any respect for their skill or build because I usually have only a sketchy idea of what’s going on in most Thief fights. I might get a glimpse of what weapons they’re running, but that’s about it.

And, to the OP, if you want more info on how to fight Thieves in WvW you should go to sPvP and tPvP. Spectate on matches with Thieves in them, check out their builds, and watch how the good ones play. Until I did this, I assumed all Thief players were simply abusing stealth and that the class was totally OP. Now that is not the case. With spectator mode I can observe their gameplay, whereas in WvW it’s invisible. There are some very talented Thief players out there (and lots of bads). The class isn’t OP. It’s actually poorly designed in a few key areas, and needs some work to make it an fun addition to the game in general, instead of just a tool to troll or gank people.

This is an extremely well written post and explains what the actual problem is and unfortunately with the core mechanic being part of the real problem and having no counter, I doubt aNet will ever be able to balance it unless they give players viable options to counter stealth.

My thief is only level 45, there are limited builds, but honestly if I’m bored and just want to annoy people in WvW, I go out with my C/D + Pistol condition thief and can kill any level 80 player, just by using a few abilities, a little bit of timing and some basic knowledge of dodging. It’s a very boring playstyle to be honest, but extremely effective. I’ve been able to 2v1 full level 80’s (80 warrior and 80 guardian just the other day) purely by using stealth + shadowstep. If I ever find myself in a situation where I might lose, I simply use stealth to get away or just shadow refuge to get some health back and keep going at them. Something has to tell you a profession is wrong when you can take on full 80’s when your not even levelled nor geared yourself.

Players need to be able to either a) Track thieves in stealth by using some sort of debuff that makes them slightly more visible or b) Be able to debuff a thief so he cannot stealth for 10 seconds.

It’s getting worse, every week lag and skill delay seems to get worse. Is not as if it’s happening when I’m fighting a massive blob, unplayable against any opposition as I just found out when attempting to chase off just 2 players from a tower.

aNet to fix this NOW, hot-fix it, roll back whatever PvE junk you deployed to cause this, people are leaving this game, lag and skill delay like this will do nothing to encourage people to stay.

I have a fix, don’t play GW2, I for one am getting pretty fed up with things like this, you cannot expect people to enjoy your game and play competitively when it’s like this, it is not fit for purpose.

This is quite frankly ridiculous. You cannot expect players to be able to enjoy WvW with this much lag. There are lag spikes everywhere, ability delays and all kinds of weird lag. I dont’ mind dying to other players, but dying because none of your abilities work and your constantly lagging is completely unacceptable.

With people already bored of WvW, lag like this is enough to chase away remaining players, sort it out.

Don’t blame PS players for this weeks matchup, so far I’ve been disappointed at the opposition we have seen so far, well today at least. I was running around on my low level guardian earlier, we were just running from one un-upgraded defenceless tower to another, with literally no opposition. You have to remember we are a pretty organised servers, we are just playing the same way we have been forced to play in the past couple of weeks as we have had to contend with mega-zerg servers. Normally we do break off into smaller groups, but those groups are really, really organised so it’s going to be a tough fight DL/FSP especially if you come against VII, INC, HOB, GG, GOW, GH, these are guild groups that are really experienced and are a match for higher tier guild groups (sorry if I forgot anyone lol).

I got bored after about 2 hours of that and went roaming. Had some nice fights in DL borders against groups of FSP players on my Mesmer and some nice fights in general. It’s a welcome break from having to worry about groups of 50+ steam rolling over you and being able to roam some more (even with less people to fight against) is refreshing.

So I encourage people on all sides, for this week to roam in smaller groups, get some nice little fights going and try and make the most out of this match-up, I know it stinks, but it’s not fun for Piken either.

Well I hope you like respawning a lot, because if you run full zerker D/D build in WvW, your going to die very fast.

Would be better to look at S/D Burst builds, at least you have some range to help you

Anyone but Riverside!!! (EU) Don’t think I could face another week fighting such a defensively minded zerg server, it’s just not fun at all.

I wouldn’t mind desolation vs Gandara vs Piken, could be interesting.

if your going to do any kind of dps oriented spec, you are going to HAVE to be good at lots of different aspects of the game, you will get hit hard by a lot of professions. You will need to understand other professions abilities and how to counter / avoid them.

as others have stated, you should start with a more forgiving bunker spec while you get used to how an Ele works with atonement etc… I’ve switched out of bunker builds and now run S/f glass builds for sPvP and S/D Glass builds for WvW, I can go toe to toe with other glass professions (even thieves) but you have to be at your best and its very unforgiving, but rewarding when you win

Had some nice fights against gunnars @ the north gate of SM last night, when I was on my S/D Ele. I must have been particularly annoying last night as apparently a lot of you gunnars wanted to kill me lol/salute to the D/D Ele from the HT guild that gave me some nice fights, finished the night with a nice Duel with a FURY warrior , I don’t normally hang out in EB, normally roaming the borders, was pleasantly surprised by the fights I had so might stick my head in more often.

I already do some regular duelling with gunnars, but will defo visit the windmill area tonight in gunnars borders for some duels, if that’s the official area for it.

Riverside talking about respect? ^^ This coming from a server who’s tactic’s involve turtling up in any tower/keep/camp then building as many arrow carts as they can possibly fit in that space even when they outnumber the enemy 3 to 1. Not too mention running from anything resembling a fair fight. I hope at reset we get another server that’s willing to actually fight and give a more fun matchup.

Props out to the Gunnars though, have met some good players, had some good duels and you guys have the right spirit, it’s just a shame that you’ve been put in the same match up as RS.

I honestly think Riverside have some kind of boot camp, where you teach players to first run, then build as many arrowcarts as they can lol Please tell me there is at least one guild on your server that can actually PvP? Not seen one yet.

Riverside are just not fun to fight against, individually and in small groups they are just awful and too easy to fight. They only ever engage in the open if they massively outnumber you or they just turtle up into keeps/towers and fill the place with AC’s even if they outnumber you 3:1. The playstyle is just boring/irritating and no fun, basically :p And gunners seem non-existing this matchup, all I ever see is GH gank groups, picking on solo players or uplevels, I haven’t seen them in the borders actually pushing for an objective, they just run around ganking.

Delete Sceptre (you made it useless anyway) and replace it with a…pistol!!! Mesmer’s need duel pistol’s do it now!!

I never normally use a focus, then just the other day when some zergers had setup ballistas on top of the tower in front of our spawn, I switched to focus and pulled down and killed 12 ballista camping players

I bet this dude was one of them lol

I personally love the RTL change, well timed dodge / evade when you RTL to me, then I have a whole 40 seconds to pound your face in. And that’s for all the times you’ve used RTL to disengage from every single fight when it looks like you might lose. Class needed adjustments, I should not have been able to 1vs many the way I was on my ele, then RTL out when things looked dodgy, I might start playing my ele again now it’s been balanced down a bit, might be more of a challenge.

graverr.6473:

Loco.4561:

To those BB in BB borders at the moment, attempting to “camp” the Piken spawn with your zerg, I think I might have set a record, It must of been about 15-20 of you that I managed to instagib on the guards when you tried ganking me!! I have never seen so many loot bags!!

I have a nice screenshot of all your corpses but no fraps, I think my kill count for the last 10 minutes is at about 27 now, thanks for the fun before I goto bed, but please get better at PvP!!

Your pvp skill must be so awesome pressing 1 on an arrowcart is serious business nowdays you know.Next time pls fraps so we can all learn from you cuz rotation is so hard .You press 1,2,3 or 2,1,3?Need info asap.I want to be uber pvp player too.

Ps :Yes, i guess is sarcasm day in some zodiac plane or something

I’m not even going to talk about the BB zergers that let me repeatedly temporal curtain them down from their ballista spot :P

Oh and I don’t include sIN in my generalisations of BB players, I spend a lot of time duelling your guildies

Mashup

To those BB in BB borders at the moment, attempting to “camp” the Piken spawn with your zerg, I think I might have set a record, It must of been about 15-20 of you that I managed to instagib on the guards when you tried ganking me!! I have never seen so many loot bags!!

I have a nice screenshot of all your corpses but no fraps, I think my kill count for the last 10 minutes is at about 27 now, thanks for the fun before I goto bed, but please get better at PvP!!

I fight thieves all the time, the best build to beat them with has been partially nerfed, but it is still good. I’ve recently swapped to P/P and it’s working better for me. I run with a mix of Rabid/Carrion gear (mostly rabid), use medkit for my heal, use Toolkit, Elixir C (for condition removal), Elixir S and Supply Kit as my Elite. Toolkit is really good against thieves, mainly for the block (which you can use to negate backstab), Magnet pull to yank them in and of course prybar. Oh and I rarely use box of nails, it’s cast time is way too long (needs adjusting aNet) by the time you have cast it, thief is gone.

If I get my combo right Mr Thief is dead, if I don’t get my combo right, Mr Thief is normally dead anyway :P Against a really, really good thief (they aren’t that many) it’s a tough close fight. I had 3 thieves trying to kill me last night and they couldn’t but I think they were using some kind of comedy stealth build and they were pretty bad!!!

I play an Ele and the adjustment was NEEDED. It was OP that you could use it as a GTFO ability when things started going south. I’m glad they adjusted it.

Thrumdi.9216:

The problem with confusion is not that bad players attack through it. But that good players have to stop attacking.

In an action MMO, skills that make you not attack should be few and far between. That is why there is no long duration crowd control in GW2.

Confusion should be at the level where it doesn’t totally kill someone who attacks through it. Instead, it should be a risk factor where someone has to decide to attack, burn condition removal or withdraw.

The only question now is where is that level.

But this is precisely why it was good, decent players would stop attacking or cleanse to counter, decent Mesmer (in some cases Engi’s) would try and time their confusion if they wanted to down a skilled player. It meant you had to THINK about what you were doing and that is always good.

All this change did is buff bad players who don’t think and just mindlessly spam abilities, they are catering for zergs and casuals by continually dumbing this game down.

shimmerless.4560:

The part that frustrates me is that there shouldn’t be any difference between direct damage and confusion damage. Oh, wait, there is one… you can counter confusion by just not mashing skills; direct damage is going to hit you regardless.

When someone gets hit by a five-digit Eviscerate, it’s no biggie. For some reason when they die to confusion (and frankly, if you’re not in a lengthy, protracted duel you have to really be trying to get killed by it alone) the condition itself gets the blame. Why? What makes direct damage legit but confusion “overpowered”?

This is exactly what I don’t understand, how is speccing for direct damage any different to speccing for confusion damage? Even though I’m stacking toughness I still get walloped with 7k backstab, 4k heartseeker, but it’s not ok for the to take a bit of confusion damage which they can avoid by not being bad. I just don’t get the logic, it’s just buffing bad players and pandering to lazy players who would rather complain than simply… Get better at the game…

My first character was a D/D Ele, changes were needed and I for one am glad for them. I stopped playing my Ele because quite frankly the build is more than a little bit OP and other builds don’t match up quite as well.

Asharona.9741:

Loco.4561:

So I report to the guild [BULL] that there is a hacker in their guild, witnessed by players using a teleport hack to get into briar when downed, send them SCREENSHOTS of the incident, they infract my post and call me a liar…trying to cover something up are we??

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1406/teleporthacking1.jpg

You’ve sent this screenshot and we’ve checked it. I can’t see any type of hacking involved tbh. We’ve asked this guy and he says he’s clean. Maybe lag?

I can assure that we’re a sportmanship guild-based and we’re against any cheating behaviour. I expect you’re not trying to damage our reputation.

I sent 3 screenshots, I explained the situation, what happened, how and when it occurred, I sent screenshots backing up what I said, there were other people who witnessed the incident. I have no reason to damage your reputation, I was merely in good faith talking to members of your guild and in return, I have had posts infracted and been called a liar.

Having played this game since early beta, I have seen similar hacks like this in use before, this was not in way shape or form lag.

So I report to the guild [BULL] that there is a hacker in their guild, witnessed by players using a teleport hack to get into briar when downed, send them SCREENSHOTS of the incident, they infract my post and call me a liar…trying to cover something up are we??

No way, not worth it. I am barely playing it now when it’s free lol and with the upcoming changes and further dumbing down of the game, I’ll probably stop playing altogether

Jedge.3619:

Confusion does not deserve the nerf it will be receiving. Players who complain about confusion essentially do not have condition removal, are used to spamming, or don’t know how to handle it. It actually made players “think” for once and say “hey, i have 6-9 stacks of confusion, maybe i shouldn’t’ attack – o well lets spam heart-seeker more.” Condition mesmer won’t exist after the patch.

Confusion was also a good balance check for a number of classes:

Elementalist’s – (D/D)You could stack confusion on them, and this allowed them to not just spam their combos without taking damage. If I stacked confusion on an ele, they had to play cautiously with their combos or switch to water form to cleanse

Theifs – With confusion on them they could not spam heartseeker or 111111 to deal a large amount of damage. Thieves can still use shadow step to remove conditions – re-stealth and start the fight over again.

Rangers – Arguably short-bow spammers couldn’t just auto attack and do dmg. They had to stop attacking and think about their next course of action.

Solution. Glamour I believe should have been nerfed or traited to actually fix the cause. The reason people are complaining about confusion are builds that utilize glamour bombs that have the ability to stack a large amount of confusion in certain environments at a large distance and glamour skills don’t just apply confusion – they apply other effects as well.

As Godmoney stated – a 50% decrease is too extreme. The developers should have made an initial decrease of around 25% and then changed it a a later update. What you’re going to be seeing now is no more confusion mesmers and more of the generic shatter builds until that eventually gets hit with the bat.

If they really wanted to fix confusion all they needed was to do this
– Don’t make it apply dodge roll effects
– Make a system where the first stack of confusion initially does at 5 stacks 1700dmg, but once you’ve exhausted that stack, it moves down to 4..3..2..1 and deals less dmg till it no longer exists.
– Tone it down approximately 25%
– If you’re going to nerf confusion fix scepter or staffs auto attack. iMage anyone?

I’m going to wait and see what the patch has to bring, but I’m sure they’ll keep the 50%. I’m going to say that confusion will be fixed or “buffed” in several patches down the road, but that’s just wishful thinking

Finally someone on here who understands the mechanic and gameplay for confusion. I used it on my engi as a counter spell for handling D/D eles and burst thieves. Now when I get jumped by a thief they will be able to spam high damage abilities without fear of confusion penalising them for the playstyle. I wish the devs would read your suggestions and apply some thought to what they are doing rather than a flat over the top 50% nerf.

Daecollo.9578:

When you hit yourself for 5k when you use a skill its pretty self explanatory.

And when a thief hits your tank character with a 7k backstab that’s ok is it??? I can counter confusion by not being a button mashing moron.

Gisei.5749:

Perhaps instead of trying to make Confusion your primary source of damage, use it as just another source of damage. Even with a 50% reduction, it won’t be weak, but it also won’t completely insta-kill most of the player base.

And it isn’t “easily negated by attentive and intelligent players”. Not in a long shot. My Engi can push confusion to 5k per skill use, and I’m nearly a bunker(3k tough, 1k Healing power). My friend pushes Condition damage and has his Engi pushing 7500 damage per skill use. No amount of attentiveness will prevent that first attack. Most players won’t be able to stop their second attack. At that point, even attempting to remove the condition will kill you. And waiting nearly 10secs is not an option.

I personally think this will only kill off builds that rely Solely on confusion damage, which isn’t a bad thing, since no “condition build” should rely on a single condition.

I’m not saying 50% isn’t overkill, but I don’t think it is ridiculous either.

50% Is overkill and how is an engi stacking condition damage for high confusion ticks any different to a thief / warrior or whatever stacking power/crit for high burst spikes?? Surely then arena net should be nerfing backstab for example?? I mean I’m a bunker engi and I still see 7k backstab in my combat log. Why is it acceptable for a thief to do that regularly but it’s not ok for an engi to do it with confusion?? Bearing in mind, confusion can be countered by some tiny degree of thought to what your are doing and can be countered / negated. The nerf is unwarranted and will hurt engis when the real problem is might stacking and Mesmers being OP, NOT ENGIS.

Brutallyk.1250:

Admittedly, confusion needed some nerf. I am not saying cutting the damage into half is the best way to do it but it sucks whenever I use a skill to remove confusion but it removes some other condition and I die due to 10 stacks of confusion on me because I am trying to get rid of confusion.
Also confusion proccing on skills like dodge traits was a little too much too handle. It’s not really that great to play against engineers or mesmers stacking tons of bleed/burn/poison on you when you are just there taking all the damage because confusion would kill you if you attempt something.

Don’t dodge roll then??? I have no problems dealing with confusion, I just save my cleanse skills for when I have large stacks of it. I don’t get how so many players struggle with such an easy to counter condition. I wish arena net would just come out and say “we are not nerfing confusion, just get better”

Pizz.3698:

As an engi with no confidtion damage or duration (cleric gear) running around with 10-15 stacks of might i could easily get 700+ damage per tick with a prybar. Confusion itself is really strong in actual WvW. Like someone mentionned earlier, if the only condition you have on you is confusion, you can either not use a skill nor dodge (even more important when specced for something on dodge), but try that in WvW when you get hit by like 5-6 different conditions. Not all classes/builds run 5+ cond removal and we cant choose what condition we want off. If I get hit by a 12 confusion stack burst and I need to grab my medkit + drop antidote + hope I get confusion off, meanwhile im being constantly hit, I get 2 confusion procs if im lucky and the extra damage dealt… I’m sorry, but the l2p argument is not a good one, it does way too much damage as is.

As for the argument of rerolling + regearing, stop your QQ. You need less than 100g to get from 1 to 80 and get fully geared in less than a day.

TL;DR the nerf was meant to be one day or an other, it doesnt make confusion useless, just makes it more balanced.

Then surely the problem is might stacking and Not the confusion mechanic.

MiLkZz.4789:

Confusing was OP, no doubt there and glad they changing it.

Retaliation, my only question is: Why?? Nobody cried about it and it only returns 300-400dmg which ain’t much. Don’t think I am going to use it anymore on my warrior if it gets nerfed. I’d rather go for 25% hammer damage + boon hate is a whoppin 40% more damage. 8k hammerstuns inc.

Confusion is only op if you are a bad player who’s doesn’t cleanses and mashes buttons. I have never had a problem dealing with confusion, if someone dumps a stack of confusion on me I either cleanse or just don’t do anything. The confusion nerf is Not needed, it’s unwarranted and just another example of Anet dumbing down the game to cater for bad, lazy players.

Cottage Pie.6215:

I never found confusion much of an issue at all, I have 5+ condition removal skills running, never mind combos, so confusion, or whatever else, stacks never got that high at all on me or people near me.

Exactly. I do the same on all my WvW characters. This is just a senseless nerf to cater for bad, lazy players and Anet should be ashamed of themselves for caving into them.

Xsorus.2507:

I wish i’d recorded my ranger playing yesterday, that highlights Confusion killing stupid people in PvP.

I got into a fight on my ranger with 2 Heart Seeking Spamming Thieves…That’s basically all they did…was spam Heart Seeker like nubs.

I pain inverted them and watch them proceed to kill themselves spamming HS on me….

It was a prime example of why Confusion doesn’t need a nerf…People just need to quit being stupid and play better.

This is so true, unfortunately Anet don’t listen to reason, they just listen to bad players who cry because they didn’t pay attention and killed themselves with a few stacks of confusion. Anet are just dumbing down the game even further, this change is a joke to be honest. I have NO problems countering confusion on any of my characters, I use cleanses when required and I don’t span abilities like a moron. All this is a buff for terrible lazy players and a buff to thieves who can spam abilities for ridiculous amounts of damage and not need to worry about confusion killing them.

I just do not get arena nets thought process on things like this. I have No problem counter confusion on ANY of my characters, the need is too much and they are just catering for bad and lazy players. Confusion was my counter to quite frankly ridiculous burst thieves.
My engi stacks toughness on every single piece of gear and I still get hit by 7-8k back stabs, 4k steals, 4-5k cloak and daggers buts that’s okay isn’t it?? Anet are just coming off as a joke at the moment, they have no idea how to balance their game and are just dumbing down the game even further by continuing to nerf abilities like confusion and retaliation. While still favouring a number of professions over others. I think I am about done with this game.

Well you got lucky, because RG do NOT just pass people by, they steam-roll over them regardless of who they are fighting, it’s happened to me often. Don’t make out they have some kind of e-honor when they do not.

Now siN, they actually DO have honor, I’ve had many nice fights with sIN members and seen them often just watching fights and not getting involved. Props to the siN Engi I had some great duels with just the other night.

We were in the same situation not so long ago because of guilds that joined from other servers. We went up a tier, Q’s went through the roof and we lost a number of good guilds, people realized they hated T2 blobbing and guess what happened? Those guilds that transferred here then disappeared somewhere else not long afterwards leaving people to pick up the pieces and rebuild.

I am not saying the same thing is happening, but it certainly looks that way….

I never zerg, so I solo roam (or go in a small group) looking for decent fights, disrupt supply camps, kill doly’s, escort ours etc… etc… I don’t find it challenging or fun running in a large group mashing my 1 button.

It’s really nice if I come up against a really good opponent who is like minded, doesn’t run, doesn’t call for help and stays in the fight till the bitter end, those fights make it worthwhile. Or the times I find a small group trying to cap a supply camp and manage to stop them It’s not so fun when I get engaged in a decent fight and 40-50 players appear and steamroll over me, but that’s to be expected

Reinforcments.5713:

Not sure why you guys are complaining. I do pretty well killing people without HgH.
I don’t believe a Engi should be able to take on more than 1 person at any given moment.

Nor does an Engi lose his edge when he doesn’t have might. Yeah it’s high damage but I think you can manage a better fight than using steroids.

Why shouldn’t an Engi be able to take on more than one person at once? Thieves, Eles, Guardians and mesmers can….

loseros.5912:

Loco.4561:

It’s almost impossible to get BB players to 1v1. I’m in BB borders literally on my own with a zerg of 40+ BB’s running around, trying to get a level 80 ele to leave briar and fight my up-levelled Engi 1v1. Doesn’t move from the tower until 2 friends turn up. Your all like it, none of you 1v1, you run then turn around when friends arrive, very frustrating.

Try for some luck in other bls ^^

Well I was hoping with so many of them around, 1 might actually 1v1 me lol Netherless, 2 of us just wiped about 7 BB camping the spawn, so not a bad end to the night

It’s almost impossible to get BB players to 1v1. I’m in BB borders literally on my own with a zerg of 40+ BB’s running around, trying to get a level 80 ele to leave briar and fight my up-levelled Engi 1v1. Doesn’t move from the tower until 2 friends turn up. Your all like it, none of you 1v1, you run then turn around when friends arrive, very frustrating.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

The biggest problem is stealth. Stealth mechanically denies the opponent information needed to fight properly. Yes, autoattacks can be used to find them (except when they can’t ie Ele and Engy not even HAVING a melee weapon with an attack chain without bringing a utility) but even then it’s swinging in the air hoping that you correctly guessed which direction they went. Even mesmers, the class intended to fight by manipulating information in the fight, only distract and confuse their opponents (barring stealth use), which can be countered by paying attention. Stealth mechanically removes the information from the player’s screen.
Maybe it’s not even OP, but it certainly is not fun. Losing can be fun, but really only when you feel you were outplayed, which is rarely a feeling you get when you are mechanically denied information.
And games are for having fun.

This is probably the best statement that sums up how players feel after fighting a thief. Stealth has no counter, sure you can try and predict where the thief is going to be, but ultimately your just swinging wildly in the air hoping to hit him. That in turn leads to frustration and ultimately not a fun fight, it almost feels like thieves have an unfair advantage.

Kardiamond.6952:

Icelut.3509:

Confusion is the magic condition that only kills bad players. if you are a button mashing zerging baddie then confusion will kill you. If you don’t have enough intelligence to see the BRIGHT PURPLE numbers flashing up on your screen and stop attacking for a few seconds then you deserve to die. Seriously we have had this conversation so many times. Confusion is so easy to deal with. JUST DO NOTHING! it will go away!

Here a challenge :

Meet a confusion engineer, get hit by confusion.

Stand there doing nothing.

Now you are dead from burn/bleed/direct damage after 5-10 sec, while the confusion duration is 10 second for each application, can be applied each 12-15 second.

Good tips man.

Learn 2 cleanse? All my builds across all my characters for WvW have the following as mandatory for builds:

Some form of Condition Removal
and at least one Stun Breaker

I have NO problem dealing with confusion on ANY of my characters. If I am fighting a Mesmer (or prybar engie), I’ll save my cleanse for when they confusion bomb me and I have a lot of stacks.

And if your STILL struggling, turn off autocast on ability 1….

I have the following classes @ 80: Mesmer, Ele, Necro.

I’m currently levelling and Engi, only level 63 at the moment and I’m really enjoying it. I can take on most level 80’s and beat them with the exception of Mesmers and Ele’s then it’s 50/50

And these are probably why I’m having so much fun:

4) Pull foe to you via magnet
5) Pry bar to face
6) has to be Pry bar to face again hehe

Pry barring a thief in the face then watching them blow themselves up with confusion by trying to heartseeker me while I block won’t ever get old