Its the last fight (Confessors end) but I wont add details to avoid spoilers.
Suffice to say you have to hit the counter magic skill (the one you got through masteries) in like half a second or die. Kept telling me to stun him under the chandelier.
After literally 30-40 deaths I finally beat the first champ by spamming my key rather than reacting to it, but by the second champ (where you go to the spinning chamber/riddles) my armor was broke and I couldn’t finish it. But it was the same thing, I had like less than a second to hit the counter magic key or I was stunned and 100-0.
I’ve mapped HoT twice in the last month with two characters. One solo, one naturally with events/social/people/mix. Yeah, you can solo the hero point champs. I suggest ranged + pet/minions.
For social – check LFG see what metas are active. Go join that zone. Also very very common to see “HP run” in LFG.
This refutes both points of needing a group and that HoT maps are magically somehow dead.
Obviously you can’t 100% map a HoT zone on first try. Just do a pass and move on. Come back later. They are meant to be zones with DEPTH.
Also silverwastes guy – what?! That is one of the most active zones in the entire game! Just look at the LFG tool to join the active zone! You can still solo! just leave once you enter it!
well condi dmg originally came from gw1 conditional dmg. In other words you took dmg IF you did certain actions with a debuff on you. Like how confusion used to work… Now though it mine as well be direct dmg.
Been pretty terrible since. I average out to 50-50. But I’ll go on loss streaks for no reason, then go on win streaks for no reason, even though I am playing the same. It is also just a very toxic experience a lot of the time with team mates who lose on purpose.
I feel for people like the OP. MM is still rigged.
And before you jump to any conclusions I was diamond last season and have a decent win rate through saph currently. But you guys are blind if you think its strictly a l2p issue. If he is that bad he should be playing vs players that bad. Not always being farmed by rigged teams.
Quite frankly, the problem is that there aren’t many PvP players in this game. There is not enough players to have a nice distribution in a game like DOTA. Unless you want 5+ hour queues you will get a WIDE range of MMR’s in a single game and then the high MMR get stacked on one team and the low on another. This makes it easy for high MMR players to get 95% win rates.
Unless you can multiply the PvP population by 10x this problem will not be solved no matter what sort of fancy match making you come up with.
Pretty sure S1 (beyond the cheating by group with lower divs which they fixed) was more fair. People complained bc they couldn’t ez farm pips fast. Which is super ironic since its usually the same ppl complaining they want harsher punishments for losing (like div loss.)
You are missing the point, Pros dont get 95 win rate in dota at their rank aka 7k mmr. But if you put them in 4k, 95 win rate is an understatement.
Sure if they smurf and play against the equiv of ambers.
This isn’t the case however. The peeps I’m talking about started off supposedly playing against peeps of their skill level, plus they were diamond or legendary last season. You shouldn’t have a 95% win rate climbing through that.
Last season pretty much everyone no matter the skill could grind to legend, so I dont think legend last season hold too much weight, better player are going yo win more and you should accept that. Just as bad players will lose more. Sure a lot people say that they only lose 10 game in a row because of bad MM and team but is it really? Then you spectate these people in game they dont even know how to rotate and rage all the time yet posting 2 thread per day conplaining about bad teammate.
1. Out of that pool of legendary players the MM is SUPPOSED to be matching you against players of almost equal skill. It clearly isn’t if you have a 9/10 win rate. 9/10 win rate = rigged games.
2. This post has nothing to do with people complaining or going on losing streaks. Its about win streaks.
I don’t think it is rigged. Matchmaking actually isn’t all that bad. I’m not feeling like one team is really hugely better than another. I do get upset with my teammate for some poor rotations, but I’m not the best at rotations either which is why I"m paired with them.
The real problem, is class stacking. We need one class per team.
Don’t get me wrong, I generally agree for where my personal skill level is at I am happy winning 55-60% of my games starting in saph.
That doesn’t change the fact its still rigged. Someone on a loss streak you can argue they are just bad. But win rates you can’t argue with. On a real account (not smurf) you literally just can’t have win rates that high on an actual competitive game. Something is off with MM.
You are missing the point, Pros dont get 95 win rate in dota at their rank aka 7k mmr. But if you put them in 4k, 95 win rate is an understatement.
Sure if they smurf and play against the equiv of ambers.
This isn’t the case however. The peeps I’m talking about started off supposedly playing against peeps of their skill level, plus they were diamond or legendary last season. You shouldn’t have a 95% win rate climbing through that.
This isn’t a post complaining about losses, rather win rates.
Lots of people (including lots of non pros) are going 40W-3L type win rates soloqing. And most of those losses are due to afks or something.
That shouldn’t be possible in a real comp game. No matter how good you are you can’t win 9/10 games soloqing in a team game. And yet plenty of people appear to be.
Look at any successful competitive game. Even the top pro players won’t have 95%+ win rates. Only hackers get those types of win rates.
MM is broken IMO (I actually have a decent win rate FYI) not because of some of these loss rates ppl are reporting but because of WIN rates, you get some players who go 30 wins 1 loss.
Having a 99% win rate soloqing in a comp TEAM game shouldn’t be possible. No one is that good not even pros.
Look at any other successful comp game. No one except hackers have that sort of win rate (not sayin theyre hackers, sayin MM is still rigged.)
actually higher MMR people will have harder fights since they are most likely fighting against other higher MMR people.
Nope, all the top tier players have already skyrocketed to diamond with like 1-2 losses and ~30 wins. They’d be legendary by now if the queue didn’t stop them there.
It seems true. After a win streak I always have a loss streak. Err not that its a problem that I lose, but I mean the streaks tend to mirror each other. So if I go on a 4 win streak I tend to go on a 4 loss streak after. I make progress but it is psychologically annoying as all heck that once my win streak is over I basically know for a fact I am in for a bunch of losses in a row no matter how well I play because I am going to have dead weight team mates.
Here’s what I don’t understand…I win 5 in a row. Then lose 5 in a row. How is that even possible? I get good team mates then suddenly get nothing but bad ones? In what ranked game mode ever in any other game has this sort of thing been possible? Overall I even out to some sort of win rate of 50-55% so I make progress but then there are people who still lose all the time and some who still win all the time.
In other competitive games, even the best players will only have 60-75% win rates. People here can literally get to legend with 1-3 games lost… (like 90%+) Yes they are good, no they are not THAT good. That is not how comp works.
So at first I was at 50-50 for the first 15 games or so.
Next 10-15 I was 60-70+% win rate or so. (got 3 tiers pretty quick in saph)
Next day/night 2, suddenly 100% loss rate…ok… nothing has changed. Why am I at a 5 loss streak?
I used to think these forum peeps where full of it…but now I dunno. I suddenly/randomly just got the worst team mates… I literally had a 4 necro game where no one refused to switch…
I was literally 1v2ing (and getting a kill) a whole game and still lost to a blow out.
Terrible terrible match making today. I don’t get it. Was fine before.
How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.
Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.
you have an alternate weapon set, or you have kits, don’t pretend you don’t have options
unless you’re an ele
sorry eles
Pretty sure eles out cleanse condi war 1v1 and its a stalemate. Correct me if im wrong.
There is an official post…if you have more than 4 boxes and leave a match, it auto opens those boxes for you. You got the rewards, they are in inventory.
How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.
Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.
I’ve 1v1’d condi wars as both thief and rev. Only one I don’t know is engi? Can any scrappers speak up?
But if that is one hard counter, hardly makes it OP. Most classes hard counter at least one build. I would think scrapper could 1v1 a bow build, but maybe not the full melee wars.
I actually saw something similar one time: faced a rev that used staff, sword/axe and hammer…… i still don’t understand how it was possible.
There is a raid skin IIRC that makes staff look like hammer.
OR there were two revs you didnt realize, and thought were one.
edit: one time I forgot (was lazy/unranked) to check the team comps. I couldn’t figure out this guys build who seemed to have both condi and power. Turns out it was two guys dressed the SAME and they weren’t grouped! I laughed when I realized… What a mind thing that was trying to figure it out at the time.
It is a bad design. Full groups should only play vs other full groups. Even a trio and a duo vs a full group are at a huge disadvantage. Not being able to coordinate your team without voice com is a HUGE disadvantage.
So implement ingame VOIP or make groups only play vs groups of equal size, even if it increase queue times.
While I am just as salty as the next guy to losing vs premades…
Statistically I probably beat them as much as they beat me. Most of the time its casual friends/guildies.
So you want longer queue times to fix something that isn’t a real problem.
On the bright side, it keeps players who have unstable internet out of games. While I understand it’s frustrating for someone to get dishonor and not be able to queue, there is a minimum of 4 other people whos game enjoyment gets hampered by 1 players bad internet connection (worst case 9 if both sides were hoping for a fun fight).
As was mentioned, dishonor doesn’t start at 15 minutes. If dishonor lockout become an issue, you are already in the sphere of having negatively impacted over 10+ players thanks to constant disconnects.
Oh I didn’t mean to argue for that. Obviously bugs should be fixed. Mostly arguing that their dmg is fine because its so limited and counterable. If nerfs are needed it’d prob be to defense. So they are more glassy.
I don’t think I’ve ever defended a class so much that I don’t play.
But dominik its true. So many people are coming back after being gone and expect something different from war. They are surprised. There have been many posts about it. I was surprised at first. Its a fact not a delusion.
Also the majority of the powercreep appears to be here to stay and is another topic altogether. In the current meta warrior seems plenty balanced.
Amineo, I switched back to thief (from rev) and am loving it.
I just made this post but its even more relevant here.
I wanted div loss/comp system at first. But now I don’t think the game is in a competitive enough mindset to handle it. I think it would decrease PvP pop.
After seeing the competitive atmosphere forming around OW (and it was only beta) the mindset and the people just aren’t here to support a true comp system.
I wanted div loss at first. But now I don’t think the game is in a competitive enough mindset to handle it. I think it would decrease PvP pop.
After seeing the competitive atmosphere forming around OW (and it was only beta) the mindset and the people just aren’t here to support a true comp system.
You see, that’s what they said about Reapers last few seasons and they were still being stacked 2 on each team. Condi warriors are going to be the new Reapers and DH. Just saying it now.
That’s what they said about GS reapers? And look at how lol they are.
No one ever said you could kite the (old) meta reaper build. They are two totally different animals. (old) Meta reapers could AoE everyone with constant chill dmg. They were like condi warriors if they were ranged and also did tons of chill. That is a huge difference.
(old) Meta reaper you needed to focus down quickly and there wasn’t anything they could do. Nor did you really have a choice on who to focus.
As opposed to condi warrior, you don’t really need to focus per se, just don’t stand near one. They are short range single target (compared to old reaper)
PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective
