Guild Wars 2

If you are a lore addict, and read Edge of Destiny(its an actual book) Caithe is a complete bad-kitten

also, at no point have I felt sadness in this game for an npc, with the exception of tybalt. I even knew he was going to die since I played a vigil character first, and still, tybalts writing had a 17 year old guy reduced to tears.

I will acknowledge that he has become more active on the forums, but until I see what has been promised, I will not pass judgement.

lordkrall.7241:

You have to keep in mind however that not everyone have completed or even started (oh well, almost at least since you are forced to start it) the personal story. Building the Living Story around that would be quite hard in that case.
Sure they could have a few different lines based on if you are in an order or in the pact or whatever (which they already do btw) but building it all around it would most likely take way too much time and resources, due to the fact that there are way too many variables.

The Orders are working as the Pact now, and they HAVE been part of the Living Story, even if it was not “in your face”-ish. The ones tracking down the Molten Alliance for one were the Pact forces and such.

As for knowing the identity of Scarlet and stuff like that we have to wait and see who is behind it before wondering why the Order of Whispers didn’t know who they were (for all we know it could be a former agent which would therefore knew how to avoid them and such).

Just because a player isnt deep into the story, doesnt mean that the orders stop existing. You can visit the Priory on the map, as with all the other orders. You can see members of the order all around tyria, and pact members as well. Why dont we see them in the living story? because they have been forgot

That is a load of BS. IF you want a statistic, then why not only count active players in the living content, this is a pretty useless statistic to all the inactive accounts or underleveled ones.

If you judge the eniter point of a post by the tldr of the tldr of the tldr then you missed the point

NOTE: This turned from me being bugged about why living story doesnt use some of the information from the personal story(orders mostly) and then turned into my comparisons of all the living world and what I liked and didn’t like.

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I don’t understand why we even are part of orders anymore. It seems like all the order leaders who were so eager to attack and strike out agaisnt the dragons literally ate themselves up so much they dont even care about tyria. Outside of the personal story, which sits in a stasis tube, they never show up.

I feel as though the Order of Whispers would probably know who the mysterious figure is at the guantlet, as well as it seems like they should have figured out who headed flame and frost. Why didnt the Priory perform some research and trade with the zephyrites? Why didn’t the vigil come aid against the aetherblades or in southsun?

Where are these all powerful orders in our living world? Does it matter what order I chose? Currently, no. I am just another shmuck along for the ride against waves of champions.

My warrior has better things to do than fatten up at party after party. My mesmer couldn’t be kittened to fight other illusions for sport money as a gimmick.

Sorry that this turned into a rant, but I lost the sense of adventure and story as my hero, the slayer of Issomir, went from a dragon killer, bane of the svanir, to little more than a npc that talks about “longstanding racial biases” or only ever says “hello” to the same characters that I fought alongside to reclaim their homelands.

Anet, living world isnt about hte rewards, it is about a story. Festivals arent a story. The speech better be good, because right now the Jubilee has made me flat out stop gw2 because I am that bored of grinding out a living world for achievments that involve playing the same champions for money. Flame and Frost had a great story, but it had no content till the very end, and was boring as a result. Southsun was chaotic, but helped bring people into a zone that otherwise was pretty empty. The Dragon bash was exiting as a party, but the achievments were just boring to get and had no meaning other than to run around pressing f, and I was able to forgo one story for more of a moot. Then in the sky pirates, I liked having better rewards and a challenge, but it felt rushed and out of place, since it isn’t really like asuran tech(the only real kind there is) and they feel too modern to actually be part of the game. In the bazaar, there was nothing to do except explore a bit, farm tokens for a leader I didn’t want offering rewards I dont care about. Not to mention it felt more like a bandaid to dump t5 mats more than a story, it was just a lions arch that had a risk of death by fall damage.

Then in the Jubilee we see more of the forced pirates and another party, but now their is no food, just a gladiator arean verus the same boring npc’s. Why isnt their a pvp gladiator arena(dont tell me to move to pvp, I want something more than the afterthoguht of a developer trying to get an esport out of a lore based game)

TL;DR
Anet keeps getting peices of a puzzle, but instead of taking the great storytelling from F&F, the rewards from Aetherblade pirates, the zone expansion of southsun, the art from the sanctum, and the difficulty of the t4 Jubilee, They cut all the story, all the exitement, and turned good rewards into a CoF grind that moves to another city every two weeks.

Tl;DR of the TL;DR

Start learning from the stuff people like and stop making temporary CoF farms and grindy achievements without any story whatsoever.

Tl;DR of the Tl;DR of the TL;DR

Fix living world to be a living world for heroes or all the players left will be grinding gold hoarders

A step in the right direction, but not enough for me to be hopeful for future wvw updates. THis could really quickly turn into a boost of how many levels are needed for masteries. They best not screw this up

DevonCarver.5370:

Convenant.7092:

Devon’s a PR.

What the heck is a PR? I am a designer and the coordinator of the WvW team. I am in charge of making the decisions as to the implementation of and final versions of anything that gets put into WvW. While part of my job is to post on the forums to keep y’all informed, it’s also part of my job to not make promises that we can’t keep. So, my answers come off as vague, because that’s as much as I can say. If I’m saying anything, you should consider that to mean something, because if it is a topic I have absolutely no information on, I won’t talk about it at all.

Design and coordinate then. Make some promises you can keep rather than dodge the community. If you dont have information, how much of a coordinator are you? Get some information, you have a team(I think). Give us some bones and stop hiding. That is why most of wvw is upset, is the complete lack of communication.

you cant get all the ascended trinkets, the infusions are a complete joke, and it took how long to add such a minor thing? You added a vendor that shaved a few laurels for badges. That helps PVEers who have all the achievment badges and not the wvwers, who dont get laurels because that means playing more pve. You keep lying to the community saying “oh look how much we have done” when in reality, you havent helped those playing wvw at all.

@Devon Jumping puzle doesn’t count as wvw anymore. Its not even in EB. It literally is the token pvp jumping puzzle. I expect some actual skill based wvw living world content. A good majority of wvw’ers dont even do the JP becuase it is boring, repetitive, and unrewarding

@Devon’s most recent reply.

You successfully said “we have more important things to do, the big fixes wont be there for months and the small ones are on the backburner until big ones occur.”

Either start throwing some bones(and no, mastery’ s do not count) or start making some commitments that we can see progress on. Im talking teaser screenshots, more involvment, and generally more interaction. It is saddening to see how much love the living world team gives their forums and wvw is left for all of us to say, why cant we get any attention?

Stuffs good IMo, I love the retal and it is a pretty low cd. Vigor isnt as good as Retal

I am presuming it is a typo and one is supposed to have condi dmg and one condi duration.

malice being dmg is my guess

Let me place a hypothetical:

Say Io want a spark, but I cant bring myself to spend more than 505 gold. Currenty one is listed for 526 gold.

Say another person doesnt want a legendary and wants fast cash to rank and gear out an alt. So he list’s his newly dropped spark for 500 gold.

He doesnt know about me, but, by listing so much cheaper, he is trying to get a faster sale.

I then buy Spark at 500 gold, being under my price cap, and we both walk away happy. Its kind of like a pawn shop. Think of the tv show Pawn stars. The shop makes money, and the person pawning the item gets cash for an item they dont want to “sit on” or let collect dust, so they sell it for under full value, but instead get the fast cash.

Because anet didn’t have the foresight to think that adding a new mastery every 2 weeks would only exacerbate the wxp problem and further promote the “flip and forget” strategy

JustTrogdor.7892:

Well lets see. I am kind of odd because I like to send random people gifts if I see a conversation in chat where it is someone really new or I can tell someone is having a bad day. So you could use the gold to gems to buy small items from the gem store for gifts. Just an idea.

Like others have said you can play the TP market. I kind of enjoy that but I just started recently am am trading on cheaper items but it is kind of fun and easy money for not much work.

Go crazy with armor and transmutation stones to mix up your look now and then.

I think if you look for ways to spend it outside the basic stuff you will be surprised how fast it gets spent.

Remind me to have a bad day near you next time

Soldiers gives me way more vit than I really need. The toughness is what I care about stat wise, and, with the condi duration reduction, you also get a nice cc reduction, which can make or break a fight.

Aside from the fact that your account name is fantaistic, mr gandalf, yeah, wvw needs to stop being a gold sink for elitist’s who refuse to play pvp. wvw is lumped into pve and all anet does is stick an achievment into the obsidian sanctum, if you can even call that wvw. WvW is for most a giant time and gold sink, as making profit or to get decent armor(you dont get enough badges to make it worth it, not all stat combos are available). Anet needs to cut it with the kitten masteries and start changing things, like account wide world xp rank, benefits to defending to counter the take and move flipping method. Then they need to mix up the BL’s so they arent all the same and completely boring. EB needs a serious rebalance, as Red is by far the most defensible position.

And, while we are at it, fix the commander tags, squad functionality, and the fact that rallying is OP.

Aside from the realization that zerging is more profitable than roaming, people left mesmer because confusion, which was king, was nerfed down to orr farming. Retaliation took its place, even after a nerf. The guardian and warrior charges with stunlocks are insanely powerful and the survivability gets wayy higher. I go with a warrior romping around swinging my hammer and enjoying having a path melft in front of me. Guardians with all the team boons are the new way to play, and necro for the condi spam that has spvp locked up as the meta. Conditions are the best way to counter a guard warr bunker. Then you always have the 3-4 mesmers for time warp and port. Basically golem runners. Thief has no place in the zerg IMO. Then the eles for the combo fields. and then the tag along ranger and engineers that are along for the ride.

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basically the stock wvw warrior build

all pvt gear with azurite jewels(find another jewel if that is too pricy, I would go for emerald) Melandru runes or soldier runes work, I prefer the melandru. The sigils are all pretty stock, a weapons swap in the warhorn, basically anyhting in the sword, and paralyzation on the hammer. Shout heals with the stunbreak stability.

when you tell your friends to “stack on me” when going anywhere

ccspokai.6941:

Vick.6805:

ccspokai.6941:

“oh i am casual player , i don’t care farming , SO YOU SHOULDN’T AS WELL” that’s their attitude

Uh…CoF is the casual player’s dream…absurdly easy and fast farming…

Zylonite.5913:

why is everyone against the idea/fact of farming CoF1 by other players? how does this affect you? if someone wants to run CoF p1 100 times a day then so what? It is their choice how they wanna play the game and not yours. I personally try to run CoF p1 once a day for the tokens for my future alts…but I really don’t understand all the hatred against CoF farmers…

The main problem is that even with diminishing returns, CoF hands out disproportionately large sums of gold with respect to the time put into it when compared to any other content in the game.

I’m not going to claim to be an economics expert, but all of the additional gold from CoF farming without a relatively equal sink will eventually create economy-wide inflation that hurts everyone. Casual and hardcore alike end up having gold that is worth less than when they started. That is the economic downside of such an easy farm.

The other downside for the overall playerbase is going to make me sound elitist, but I’ll say it anyway. CoF zerker farming is training people to play their characters lazily. Admittedly, there are players who can play glass cannon character builds successfully no matter what content they attempt, but there are many more who do not have that level of skill. There are far too many players who complain that other content is too difficult simply because they can’t approach it as a CoF-type zerker faceroll. I’m hoping that when people have to play other dungeons, they will also have to relearn how to play their characters intelligently.

I’m not averse to farming at all, and I’m not saying I haven’t farmed CoF at times, but CoF has been abused for far too long.

TL;DR: IMO, CoF has created inflation so that everyone’s gold is worth less, as well as a player base with expectations that all content should be a CoF-type faceroll.

No , CoF was once the same as other dungeon ,UNTIL cursed shore nerf and effigy difficulty reduction. Since then more and more people prefer CoF than D.E or other method.

nerfing reward will also cause inflation, by doing this they are reverting economy back to day 1, where supply is even lesser than before.

keep in mind that heavy loot bags farm has been nerfed on malchor’s leap as well.
and for dungeon nerfing , the first and most affected price was molten core/lodestone where you will need it for volcanus/incinerator, and this will further push up the price.

At the cost of pushing down t6 mats, charged lodestones, and every other lodestone. Theoretically, in a perfect economy, all the lodestones should be within, say, 10-20 silver of each other, and t6 mats about 2-10 silver. That would be the result of equal usage of content and perfect loot table balance. But this is not hte case. However, people crying armaggedon to the molten lodestones dont realize people will still start the day with a cof 1, take the gold and whatever loot, then move elsewhere. Old habits die hard and the supply of the molten lodesotnes is way below anything else and the supply is through the roof. whereas certain t6 mats are not stocked enough to even complete legendary.(depending on time of day). No, the change will be slow, but sure, as people let go of CoF zerk runs, because speed wont be the issue, but skill, as a rotation of paths will grant more loot, and, as other paths all are more skill based and less of a facerolling, trash skipping zerkfest, we will probably see(over months) a trend toward more balanced builds and the reduction of zerker gear in price. As I siad though, old habits die kitten

a second note, about the queens gauntlet, a dev posted that it would be hard for a full zerker to live though harder levels and the gambits, and that “every player should have multiple gear sets, and it is pretty cheap to gear an 80. Also, a balanced build is important for all content.” This hints toward harder content that will push away zerk mentality and make other builds more viable as a full zerk will mean instant death to all but the most skilled players, who can get by without any vitality or toughness. Contitions and cc may also become more useful in open world as a result.

whether or not this is real, which, by anet standards, could be real or not, tying into personal stories would be a welcome change. I would love to see more of Destinies edge(not logan dangit!) and I want to see a greater hand in the 3 orders to help with threats, not dumblions arch. Moving to Kryta is a good start, but we need focus on the norn, the asura(even though I dislike asura) and the charr and sylvari.

It hasn’t been stated one way or the other. If this was anet’s strategy to repopulate the desolate orr, then the abovementioned behavior would do just that. Lodestones? cores? T6 mats? karma? Skill points?(xp from events). Yes please. I need more of all of that for my legendary. Not to mention karma is a quick gearing option for a new 80 or a new set of stats

I wish I was at home this week. Vacation sucks when I miss FA’s most challenging matchup for a while

Silver.3284:

Actually, this might cause more inflation.
Imagine this run:
cof1, ac3, hotw1 – > 3 gold.
That is more than cof1 repeats for the same amount of time, and it is something a lot more ppl may do than those who currently speedrun cofp1.
Also, many people do 1-2 dungeons a day – they will be now making a lot more gold than before. And a lot more will do with the rewards in place.

However, it levels the playing field some. Those who grind for hours on end will feel it bit them in the kitten , but those who only run a few dungeons a day will enjoy having more pocket money on hand.

I would prefer not having to choose between chunky and morbidly obese. can I get a bit husky to fit?

I presume so, but I cannot say for certain

I have to admit, I was furious when I heard that my beloved CoF P1 was getting nerfed. However, you guys took your knowledge from aetherblade rewards and brought us this gem.

“Bonus Rewards for Dungeons

Each day when you finish a unique path for any explorable or story dungeon, you’ll receive a bonus reward for completion—1 to 3 gold for explorable dungeons depending on their length and difficulty, 50 silver for story dungeons."

This was taken off the release page and I could not be more happy. If I get a gold for a run of CoF(with appropriate diminishing returns) and more gold for other fun dungeons like Hotw and CM(two of my presonal favorites), I would be so happy. Anet you have done a fantastic job at handling this, and I look forward to the queens Jubilee and your future dungeon content.

SOURCE: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/august-06-2013/

soo, longbow, axe/mace, sword/warhorn?

warrior with 80 trait points would take a 30/25/0/10/15

standard zerk with empower allies

Or we wait until august and see if we see flame and frost: the return where we learn about what happens to the alliance once we defeated the facilities and their champions. we dont know who lead them and we could learn more. They are soo saving them to reintroduce the molten alliance pickaxe into the gem store. Also making the dyes take a price hit.

Since loot is a 1 time thing per day, this wouldn’t be such a bad thing, other than karma farms and maybe the xp farms would skyrocket

Duh, we get the most weapons to choose from of any class to begin with. This only further expands on the utility.

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My wvw build

I gave my like, everyone else should do theirs

Fade.9124:

interesting..do you feel you’d give alot more team support going full 30 in tactics with shouts? seems like thats what alot of people do but id like to get your opinion on why you differ. Thanks.

To answer, and I do hope you read this, team support from shouts isn’t stellar for more reason than you cap at 4 others +yourself, for 5 people for a heal. This a lag preventing measure that skills effect a limited number of people in the effect range. And from a teamplay prespective, I feel a bit limited with shouts as they arent all that useful for teamplay in wvw, with the team based ones taking hte longest to recharge. I feel that the personal gains from the weapon swaps help keep a warrior alive more. If you can be at the front of a charge and rampaging, you can do more of a dent than if you die or play chicken foot. By playing better yourself actually helps the zerg/team to live longer, because you are part of that zerg, and if you die, you stop absorbing damage, and start letting it spill to glass ele’s and mesmers and the necros, who cant sponge damage very well.

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If you really want to help the zerg over your own survival, then I owuld banner over shout. Not only is the banner elite the most team oriented one ever, but it also pairs nicely with the quickness from frenzy. I call it a power rez(you throw the banner much faster). I take the toughness/vit banner and the power or the presc banner and frenzy then the warbanner. Note the stance duration is for more quickness uptime. Banners are super awesome because they keep working even after you die, whereas you cant keep shouting. They have 20% CD reduction and grant regen to up to 15 people, or 15 per banner up. they also damage enemies, and when the zerg wins, people pick them up for swiftness that you can cast with them. So you help in and out of combat. If you cant tell, I love fast hands and a on swap sigil. warrior is one of the only, if not The only class that can reduce weapon swap so much. also, a reckless dodge procs a ton in a zerg, so it is a super awesome evasion turned DPS. I would take it over 20 in discipline any day.

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Offhand sword with recent changes is actually quite fun.

More to the point, the Mainhand sword is nice for exploration for the gap closer, but its damage is pitiful in a dungeon/fractals.

PVE is a big term, and basically, a warrior with nearly any spec and any weapon can waltz through open world, but when you want to go into guild challenges, dungeons, fractals, the sword feels off when it is mainhand. I much rather take a mainhand axe and an offhand mace, but with recent sword changes, I am most likely going to switch to use the sword offhand.

Achilles.2197:

TheAmpca.1753:

I personally am an FA NA member who plays on EB I can only describe Jade Bags and Dragonbags one way. Those two servers are like a baby’s butt; they are always getting wiped.

Bag Quarry would have sounded better.

Anywho, any tips on how to be as awesome as Fort Aspenwood players?

/laugh as the smaller zerg runs. Emotes are fun and the only good way to communicate with other servers. We play fair-weather mostly and for a NA EB player, we just are in for points, bags, and epic battles and siege war. We have some really laid back commanders at the core who are super fun and approachable and allow chat in TS, and look for help and advice when needed.

Lol @ thread. the warriors arent the ones doing this. The rangers and thieves and basically all but mesmers and guardians are doing it because they want zerk warriors to carry through CoF P1 so they can loot quickly without actually helping as much as a 4 warr 1 mes combo team. Blame the balance, blame the losers, L2P, and blame anyone who chats it, not the warriors they want.

Taking either an axe/whatever(mace is my fav for PVE) and a longbow along with for great justice, Shake it off, the signet of stammina(more dodges), and a signet of rage and you get perma fury, tons of might, a stun break(condi cleanse too), and you dodge roll for speed. Start traiting power and precision, taking precision to 25 of 30 and power to 30/30 and then the last 15 to Discipline. You will basically roll anything that stands in front of you.

Defektive.7283:

Namica.2951:

Was wondering this. People often make fun of Warrior for being an “easy” class to play and master. But I fail to see how it’s any easier than most others: engineer kit swapping is simple, elem attunements is typically switching for a singular skill, rather than a wide swath of five, rangers literally just need to auto attack all day etc…

So, is it really a simple class, or are people just mad because they currently hold the chalice of most group viable.

I would say in PvE its rather easy.

But to be really good at PvP theres a lot of nuances you have to learn about the game in general to be absolutely successful. Until then it feels under powered.

Aside from the fact that Defektive is a warrior god, he is right. Note that nearly any class is good at open world PVE and warriors have it pretty easy, with such a wide array of weapons to choose from, we can fill many forms. Dungeons are easy mode for finding a dungeon and for playing, with maybe the exception of arah, which can be challenging. WvW and in PVP conditions hurt us badly. They arent as much easy or hard, its a transition from 100 blades on every trash to breaking off to different builds and tactics, and learning that just because you can faceroll open world does not mean you are invincible. WvW zergs can teach you that as you wonder why your unkillable status went to paper and you learn that a blind GS 3 skill will not be enough to put a dent in.

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This is in my opinion, the best wvw warrior build out there. Sword/x (I like warhorn). Hammer. Melandru Runes, PVT gear. PVT trinkets with azurite jewels(find a sutible toughness/healing substitute if you cant afford that) Warrior with so much HP is better to stack toughness than vit, because they can heal a greater percentage of their max HP and the toughness takes away from incoming damage, making heals more effective. The build revolves on the F1 skills burst mainly for hammer and Longbow when you swap out a weapon set for a longbow with a fire sigil. You cleanse conditions, 3 stunbreaks is critical, you maximize your own stuns. Battle standard or rampage is good for either group rez(super helpful for a zerg) or the stability, which you also get with balanced stance(a stunbreak). Also, a weapon swap sigil, whatever one you want, is super awesome to have for the 5 sec weapon swaps.

Also, spiked armor is not a mistake, it procs every 15 seconds, or multiple times per battle, granting extra retal, where as endure pain isnt super helpful and a long CD on the trait. Merciless hammer is also a good choice

FA tries eal hard, but our SEA times are just not really high. In a match with kaening and I think it was CD, we left the night NA prime with 100% of our BL and 100% of EB, all T2 or T3. With EB, it was all paper at the morning. BL i cant remember

Hey all, this matchup looks pretty fierce, FA represent!

Best of luck even tho I will miss most of it

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Variety is good for the game, especially a balanced variety. If we make too much of any one type of content, eventually that type of content will become tiresome. The purpose of my reply wasn’t to naysay jumping puzzles or activities, but just to let you know that something different is coming. Personally, I’m a huge fan of epic open-world dynamic events and since I’ve had a hand or two in the upcoming releases, you should get ready.

As the late Captain Mai once said, watch the skies.

Late? I never heard anything about her dying, only that she was incarcerated. Is there something in it?

As a warrior, the banner cast times are too much for my play style, and rooted? eh, no thanks. If they were back mounted or they were, instead of being picked up by other players, could have a 60%(configurable) cooldown reduction if they are retreived, meaning that you could say take a banner and if you let it despawn, it would take ages to come off cooldown, but if you retreived it you could have it in like 10 seconds to cast again

AHAHAHA

Thats funny

As a main warrior, I finally feel like Im not playing with one arm tied to my back and you want to nerf the class? Warrior gets a few benefits, like mesmers get portals, clones, the necro gets marks, ranger gets pets, guardian gets spectals, and aegis, engi gets turrets, flamethower, riflejump, ele gets attunements(double the skills). and warrior? They get highest HP pool, banners, and weapon diversity(we get the most martial weapons currently).

So with the weapon diversity, we can fill many roles, and now people want to use the shield for defense, the mace because it gets a block and it can CC, and offhand it does vuln and even more CC. Hammer is a CC god. GS is for mobility, axe for burst DPS, warhorn for weakness/swiftness/vigor. sword for torment, gap closer, bleeds. longbow for our only ranged aoe(discounting the hammer adrenal skill). Rifle for ranged DPS. And you complain? we are the jack of all trades. we cant bunker like engi, we cant heal or distract like guard or mesmer, we cant combo field like an ele, we cant beat a necro DPS, or a thief stealth/mobility, we cant range more than 1200(rifle). Only 2 ranged choices.

Nerf us anet and you will have shown that warrior will never be able to brawl in pvp, like the warrior backstory portrays them to be!

Coming from one who has test drove a guard wvw and mains a norn warrior, guard is the better choice for leading and personal survivability. They get the stability and protection, which makes or breaks fights, as blocking CC is critical. A warrior I dont think has group stability(not that I’ve seen nor used). Protection and aegis are huge for survival and a guard can not go down as often, which means more rezzing and also more uptime for bags.