TBF they did announce that there were a lot of changes made to the elites overall. But they didn’t say what changes were made, they just told us we were going to have to wait for release to find out
Yeah, and in fairness I can see why.
If they tell us the changes people will fixate on numbers and how it’s not enough or it’s too much for the next week or so. Whereas if they wait until we get a chance to actually play, well, we’ll be in a much better place to give real feedback rather than theoretical feedback.
If anyone is unhappy with the expansion at this stage then they certainly should wait and see, no need to buy until it launched, after all.
Edit: actually no matter what, they will have to wait and see, there is no other option. I suppose they could not wait and not see.
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Now this guy is a serial “Founder’s Pack” purchaser with no problem spending money on games (in general at least). It just contributed to the general bad feeling he had about HoT.
To each their own, but IMO it’s a bit odd that pre-orders, season passes, founders’ packs and such have become so widely accepted, but charging for actual, already existing content is somehow bad. I’ve lost all patience with people (especially big studios) clamoring for our money when there’s not even a product yet and won’t be for weeks or months on end. That’s why I stopped looking for Dauntless news when they released their founders’ packs and started spamming my inbox with emails about them.
It’s a weird one alright, I think it’s mainly “fear of missing out”, I know I’ve happily bought the deluxe editions of base GW2, HoT and PoF because the idea that I might not have the random gewgaws that I’ll never use is just terrible! I mean, look how much use Mistfire Wolf is!
In my friend’s case, I reckon it’s more a reflection on the poor value that he thought HoT represented. As he said at the time he’s quite happy to drop money on just about any game he likes but a €50 expansion with so little content that didn’t even include the LS episodes… well, like I said, it just felt a little off to him.
Early access is a massive gamble as well, but at least you actually get something for it and can check out other people’s LPs and opinions first to decide if you may like it.
Yeah, I’ve personally given up on early access completely. I got burned out completely on Kickstarters that never materialised and, frankly, there are more finished games out there that I like than I’ll ever be able to play.
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isnt 75 bleed stacks like 12k dmg?4 ticks would mean like 48k hp at least,what on earth you runing if you survive 4 sec with that?
if we talking around highest amount of con damage you can have is around 3200 would mean it.
3200 × .06 = 192+ base bleed dmg is 22 x75 = 16050 bleed tick
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Base condition damage is 0 at level 80 so it’s a bit less.
A full ascended sinister equipment set would give you 1381 condition damage. Runes, sigils and infusions would increase that a bit of course.
What is great about these last few is it is proving that any condi build is just as bad as a Warrior and thief that others are complaining about, especially the 3 second Hundered blades at 20k damage and assuming less damage per a tick of at least 15k at 3 seconds is 45k damage in the same time Hundred blades goes off on a full zerker, even assuming the best vs the worse
you stand in 100 blades the whole time and get hit for 20k while he was invul
Most condi class are ranged and hit you for 15k for just 1 second if you got your cleanse off in time. doesn’t seem like it is all that different you can’t hit either one.but the harsh reality is your going to take at least 2 ticks of damage before the cleanse 80% of the time which means 30k damage. compared to direct power damage of 20k over a stun and 3 second ability.
Hopefully people now see that besides a few ignorant people trying to Blame one class Condition damage as a whole needs to be brought back down to be in line with Power builds, They can keep the large stacking potential, and the duration they just need to put the damage equal or at least close to that of power damage. If they always assume the average player will cleanse Condis off with in 2 ticks put the initial two ticks on par with anything Power can put out in roughly 3 to 4 seconds.
I’m not sure where your figures are coming from.
Bleed is (0.06 * Condition Damage) + (0.25 * Level) + 2 damage per stack per second,
So at level 80 base Bleed damage is 22 per stack per second. Each 100 points of Condition Damage gives +6 per stack per second
So if everyone of the 75 stacks of bleeding came from people with 0 Condition Damage it’d be 22 * 75 = 1,650 damage a second. 6,600 over 4 seconds.
If everyone who applied that bleeding was running full Ascended Viper or some other HoT style 4 stat combo with major Condition Damage they’d have 1173 Condition Damage which would be let’s call it 22 + (11.73 * 0.06) which is 92.38 per stack. 92.38 * 75 = 6,928.5 a tick. So, that would be 27,714 over 4 seconds if everyone who applied those was running full Ascended Viper.
I’m ignoring runes, sigils, food and so on for the sake of simplicity, the numbers would be higher with those. This also doesn’t take into account the power component of the attacks that applied bleed and it also ignores the fact that, as you said yourself, one person can’t really apply 75 stacks of bleeding on their own.
So it’s a number of people doing roughly 6,928 DPS through bleed damage.
isnt 75 bleed stacks like 12k dmg?4 ticks would mean like 48k hp at least,what on earth you runing if you survive 4 sec with that?
if we talking around highest amount of con damage you can have is around 3200 would mean it.
3200 × .06 = 192+ base bleed dmg is 22 x75 = 16050 bleed tick
Base condition damage is 0 at level 80 so it’s a bit less.
A full ascended sinister equipment set would give you 1381 condition damage. Runes, sigils and infusions would increase that a bit of course.
base condition damage is 22 at 80. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bleeding
No, base bleed damage is 22 at level 80, I’m talking about the condition damage attribute. That attribute is 0 at level 80.
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isnt 75 bleed stacks like 12k dmg?4 ticks would mean like 48k hp at least,what on earth you runing if you survive 4 sec with that?
if we talking around highest amount of con damage you can have is around 3200 would mean it.
3200 × .06 = 192+ base bleed dmg is 22 x75 = 16050 bleed tick
Base condition damage is 0 at level 80 so it’s a bit less.
A full ascended sinister equipment set would give you 1381 condition damage. Runes, sigils and infusions would increase that a bit of course.
than stack 75 stacks of bleed and you die in 4 seconds is ridiculous…..
Holy…
I guess I’m playing my necro wrong.
~ Kovu
I think you need to run 10 Necros at the same time.
What in the flying.. In what world aren’t condition bursts about as telegraphed as any physical bursts. When did you ever experience a condition-build compete with the ludicrous damage dealt by let’s say a Thief doing the good old Mug > Cloak and Dagger > Backstab > Heartseeker combo over the span of about a second, maybe three? Sure, you can mitigate it through quick reaction and anticipation, but that freaking goes for condition applications too. You can dodge the application of a condition, it needs to bloody hit you. You can evade the application. You can block the application of a condition. You can invulnerability block the application. (Unless there’s Unblockable effects in play of course.) A whole lot of burst application comes from fields too, specific locations that you can avoid or at least get out of before they start to properly hurt.
When I am facing a Power-based build, my mitigation are dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position myself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Protection and then some. There is practically no difference when it comes to facing Condition-based builds. You use dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position yourself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Resistance (which trumps Protection with it negating the damage completely) and then some. When I am out of the majority of my mitigation against a Power-based build, I’m certainly getting hit with more physical damage right after to finish me off.
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Yeah, I know, it’s baffling really.
A general misconception seems to be that conditions just take form spontaneously. Perhaps viruses are spreading conditions?
This leads me to believe that my earlier theory is correct and a lot of people simply don’t pay attention to the attacks that apply conditions because the immediate, power damage they take from those is low and then they’re shocked and amazed when conditions down them.
I’m more baffled that you think any skill that applies conditions is as visible as ..let’s say Eviscerate, during the general chaos and visual effects of melee. My toon has to leap, spin and land one of the slowest and most telegraphed attacks in the whole game while my opponent does what…raise a hand? Two?
This theory of yours doesn’t really have any legs to stand on i’m afraid.If you’re talking about big telegraphed attacks then why not talk about Flurry? That’s a big condi warrior finisher applies a bunch of bleeds very telegraphed, roots the caster and channels.
If you’re talking about an attack that just raises a hand then what about the mantras that have just that, mesmer Power Spike, for example.
You seem to be implying that there’s some kind of rule here where conditions are applied through sneaky attacks but power attacks are somehow more honest. There isn’t, big attacks tend to have more obvious telegraphs regardless of whether they do Power or Condition damage. Small attacks like weapon auto attacks tend to have less obvious telegraphs regardless of whether they apply a single condition or do a moderate amount of damage.
Yeah, I think your lending weight to my theory not disproving it in any way.
Think what you will, the majority of condi is applied without a big animation and you know it. Care to tell me how many conditions are applied through Signet of Spite? And how long is that animation again? Take your time. Oh and don’t take Warrior as a condi example, it’s the least successful class in applying condis, it’s not even in the current meta, and you know it.
Think what you will, but the majority of conditions are applied with just as big an animation as the majority of power damage and you know it.
No signet has any animation worth talking about and you know it, regardless of whether they’re giving you a power boost for a power spike, stunning or knocking down your foe or applying conditions. Also Signet of Spite is not even used in the current meta builds so by the same rules that you used to dismiss warrior’s Flurry it means it’s not relevant and you know it.
It’s easy to pick a single skill and claim that that’s somehow representative of all skills so let’s see, let’s take thief backstab? Backstab has a massive power damage spike without any visible animation at all and you know it. If I follow your tactics, from that single attack I can state that no power skills have any visible animations at all and you know it.
Wow that “and you know it” stuff works just as well (or badly) for me as it does for you. And you know it.
What in the flying.. In what world aren’t condition bursts about as telegraphed as any physical bursts. When did you ever experience a condition-build compete with the ludicrous damage dealt by let’s say a Thief doing the good old Mug > Cloak and Dagger > Backstab > Heartseeker combo over the span of about a second, maybe three? Sure, you can mitigate it through quick reaction and anticipation, but that freaking goes for condition applications too. You can dodge the application of a condition, it needs to bloody hit you. You can evade the application. You can block the application of a condition. You can invulnerability block the application. (Unless there’s Unblockable effects in play of course.) A whole lot of burst application comes from fields too, specific locations that you can avoid or at least get out of before they start to properly hurt.
When I am facing a Power-based build, my mitigation are dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position myself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Protection and then some. There is practically no difference when it comes to facing Condition-based builds. You use dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position yourself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Resistance (which trumps Protection with it negating the damage completely) and then some. When I am out of the majority of my mitigation against a Power-based build, I’m certainly getting hit with more physical damage right after to finish me off.
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Yeah, I know, it’s baffling really.
A general misconception seems to be that conditions just take form spontaneously. Perhaps viruses are spreading conditions?
This leads me to believe that my earlier theory is correct and a lot of people simply don’t pay attention to the attacks that apply conditions because the immediate, power damage they take from those is low and then they’re shocked and amazed when conditions down them.
I’m more baffled that you think any skill that applies conditions is as visible as ..let’s say Eviscerate, during the general chaos and visual effects of melee. My toon has to leap, spin and land one of the slowest and most telegraphed attacks in the whole game while my opponent does what…raise a hand? Two?
This theory of yours doesn’t really have any legs to stand on i’m afraid.
If you’re talking about big telegraphed attacks then why not talk about Flurry? That’s a big condi warrior finisher applies a bunch of bleeds very telegraphed, roots the caster and channels.
If you’re talking about an attack that just raises a hand then what about the mantras that have just that, mesmer Power Spike, for example.
You seem to be implying that there’s some kind of rule here where conditions are applied through sneaky attacks but power attacks are somehow more honest. There isn’t, big attacks tend to have more obvious telegraphs regardless of whether they do Power or Condition damage. Small attacks like weapon auto attacks tend to have less obvious telegraphs regardless of whether they apply a single condition or do a moderate amount of damage.
Yeah, I think your lending weight to my theory not disproving it in any way.
What in the flying.. In what world aren’t condition bursts about as telegraphed as any physical bursts. When did you ever experience a condition-build compete with the ludicrous damage dealt by let’s say a Thief doing the good old Mug > Cloak and Dagger > Backstab > Heartseeker combo over the span of about a second, maybe three? Sure, you can mitigate it through quick reaction and anticipation, but that freaking goes for condition applications too. You can dodge the application of a condition, it needs to bloody hit you. You can evade the application. You can block the application of a condition. You can invulnerability block the application. (Unless there’s Unblockable effects in play of course.) A whole lot of burst application comes from fields too, specific locations that you can avoid or at least get out of before they start to properly hurt.
When I am facing a Power-based build, my mitigation are dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position myself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Protection and then some. There is practically no difference when it comes to facing Condition-based builds. You use dodges, evade skills, blocks, invulnerability, mobility skills to re-position yourself with and get health back, healing skills, cleanses, Resistance (which trumps Protection with it negating the damage completely) and then some. When I am out of the majority of my mitigation against a Power-based build, I’m certainly getting hit with more physical damage right after to finish me off.
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Yeah, I know, it’s baffling really.
A general misconception seems to be that conditions just take form spontaneously. Perhaps viruses are spreading conditions?
This leads me to believe that my earlier theory is correct and a lot of people simply don’t pay attention to the attacks that apply conditions because the immediate, power damage they take from those is low and then they’re shocked and amazed when conditions down them.
Nuuuuuu that is the day my mom moves into her new CCRC apartment!!! I’m pretty sure I won’t be free 3-5 pm my time
Have fun, those who can make it in
/me does some quick math
You live in the middle of the Atlantic?
That’s where his secret submarine base currently is, sssh! Don’t tell James Bond!
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I’t too late for me I pre-purchased before the demo
…You can issue a ticket for a refund; I did, and got my money back.
Speak with your wallet.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and see if this is the actual direction they go… Would I still be able to get a refund if they implement this and I don’t want to play it?
If you are unsure how you feel about the direction, get your refund now. You can always buy it again later if you change your mind. Speak with your wallet.
Make sure you go through the support page, do not issue a charge-back with your credit card.
I need to think about it a bit… I’m still sort of waiting for them to update us on whether or not this will be added or if they are going to listen….
We very rarely get any kind of communication about anything like this so I think you’ll find that out sometime on the 22nd of September.
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