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If this was a pve everything would have stopped for new build. But its wvw, knowing if you are on a outnumbered map makes a big difference how you play, so this bug is effectively game breaking.
Only in wvw…
So – had a chance to do some more testing on my lunch break. I normally play in a guild group, so I don’t see the impact on smaller groups much.
tl;dr – Decay is way too fast now once it starts, participation builds up way too slowly.
Killed all the camp guards, 2 dollys, ran to hills to kill guards while waiting for RI, went back, and flipped a camp.
Flipped another camp.
Grabbed a sentry and two dollys on the way to nw camp from se spawn. Slightly into t4 participation at this point.
Stopped to play with a teef near the camp. Had a fun fight, but lost. Respawned.
Decided to hit home tower. Started building a cata. Ran to home camp for more supply. Came back, and got run over by a havoc team.
Respawned. Decay has now kicked in – and it’s moving quickly.
I was able to stop decay by killing a guard at south camp instead of rezzing an ally, catching it just before dropping below t3.
Would I prefer to be out roaming looking for fights?
The unintended consequences, however, for solo or small group play aren’t good.
Yes, this was active play. Yes, I know my way around the maps, and this was on Alpine. I just wanted to see how participation and decay worked now. And, frankly, I’m disappointed.
Let’s keep the outnumbered change, but revert participation back to the way it was. It’s far too punishing for small groups and solo players.
PS – I’ve never had to worry about keeping participation up. Ever. Until this update. Whether playing solo, havoc, or full guild run. It’s just never been an issue.
When a game become a chore.
The more you actively play, the better rank you get, everything you do grants wxp, repairing, taking sentries, capping ruins, walking dolyaks, what does not get you wxp is doing enough to keep your participation up. Sitting in a outnumbered map hitting a sentry or camp every 15mins may get you progress on the reward track quicker, but in the long run it will take you longer.
If you do not like wvw or want to actively play, then this armor and back pack may not be for you.
As for the outnumbered pips bonus, this was supposed to give a incentive to people to turn up on those bad match ups, not to sitting camping it all night complaining when you lose it.
And for those that say new players get the same reward in pve, it takes time to get the ascended armour for raids, it takes time to build up the agony for higher level fractals, it takes time to get the masteries so a new player can not just jump into these with out giving some effort beforehand. It will take time and effort for you to get your ranks up.
As I explained to someone yesterday, having Tier 6 participation is not enough, they need to be actively earning wxp not just keeping it up, so flipping a camp or sentry every 5 minutes will not get you the wxp you effectively need to gain more pips.
If you actively play, your rank will increase, then you get more pips.
From how I understood, its not a loyalty, you have to play for 3 weeks, get the wood chest on all 3 weeks and earn a extra pip. Staying on a server means nothing, just playing for 3 weeks, but that is changing to one week, just in time for relinkings so everyone can transfer and stack again and lose nothing.
Its all about the pips, the pips, no balance.
With re-linkings happening on the 24th, and nearly all host servers being manually locked this week. Who knows what will happen come the 24th. Then 26th most of the manual locks will disappear.
Then unbalanced matches for 4 weeks until the dust settles.
Just remember those pips for outnumbered maybe feel skewed now, but when everyone leaves again after they have rewards, they will give people the incentive to turn up in a match rather than sit it out for a week.
Start looking at a broader picture, rather than how someone can get more pips.
And further note, most people are not getting outnumbered bonus for long as someone ALWAYS team chat it and it gets lost.
Up until now the server with low population coverage wise could look forward to no armor damage (nice, because you will be zerged over and over) the chance of a precursor (000.0000000000001%) and wxp bonus (only if you can leave spawn). Now they have the added incentive to turn up and try.
Outnumbered is only toxic because of the amount of people in wvw at this time all trying to finish their rewards and move on, again what happens when they leave?
Think long term not short term gains.
Yak’s Bend has nowhere near the population that BG is fielding 24/7 right now and has for many weeks so I am not sure how your statement makes any logical sense.
Being locked right now, before the next update is a horrid thing to do.
Undo the Beta linkings – let the servers “play their way” again.
Come play on all three servers and then tell me that YB should be locked.
Didnt you just win your last match? Not as outnumbered as you think you are.
In case its lost upon you, there are meant to be red dots to fight.
BG locked/JQ opened, not playing for a few weeks works.
Still gaming the system. Instead of “do not log on tonight is a blackout” . Its now do not log in for a week Blackout or better named, play on your alts week.
Seeking balance? Never, stack to win.
And next week they open JQ to counter the stacking onto BG, then Mags will open to counter the stacking on JQ. By the time things start to sort themselves out in the lower tiers, relinking happens then everything is unbalanced again.
Its becoming a cycle they can not seem to break or rather do not want to.
And the players keep looking for a easy win. Match made in heaven.
Put Mags in T1 now, and watch them all disappear.
. Only reason maguuma is ppting is because the match up is a snooze.
1. Mags said T1 was a snooze fest, they tanked.
2. If you want challenging fights, stacking all the A+ team on one server and wanting to fight the mixed A,B,C and drop outs. Then challenge you shall not find.
3. The fact that you care more for ppk means that unless you know you are at advantage you do not bother.
4. Name one server that actually wants to fight you? The play style is toxic to normal server play, prevents newer people coming to WvW , learning, enjoying and returning.
5. And my personal favorite, Mags should be given the BG treatment from S2. Locked and 2v1 for months, only then will you get the challenge you say you crave.
difference between eu and na is that eu has more organized communities and ppl/guilds will play together. na players just stick to their guilds.
NA do not like balance, some will say they do, but you only have to see the movements in NA to see that a easy win is what they are looking for.
EU has always been more fight centric and guilds move for better fights, NA will always stack on one server and complain about lack of fights. Its happening again now, give them a few weeks and then they will complain about the lack of people in wvw and dedgame.
No, but they are changing every 2 months, so even if the cool down was 2 – 3 -4 weeks it would not change anything, as come relinking all data becomes worthless as they start the merry-go-round again. Only other way is to maybe make it cost more for every transfer made, no transfers for a year it resets back to normal cost.
Or make one more linking and that becomes permanent, aka merge, something has to stop the bleed of players every time the unbalanced matches occur. When linkings started there was a new lease of life into wvw, but once the players learnt how to get the best value for least amount of effort the bleed started once more.
Cause and effect, we know the cause, the players racing to stack on relinking, we know the effect, players on the matched server stop playing, now there needs to be a solution to stop it.
If the attempt at balance is being undermined by people wanting to stack, then could be its time for a longer cool down on transfers. 7 days makes it to easy to unbalance match ups. It needs to be longer than the 2 month linkings, if people thought that after the linkings they would be stuck on that server for a further 4 weeks, how many would chose wisely the first time.
The player base is creating the unbalanced match ups, not Anet, next relinks 2 linked servers come to mind will be down the population that anet’s data said it has, so will be linked with a Host that might have needed more people but get a empty link instead as the players transfer out for the next flavor, giving the host server bad matches until another glicko adjustment is made which again happens to slow. In the process more people give up.
Linkings are not working for balance, they just make it easier to get on to a stacked server for less gems.
Anet wvw team
plz solve this
Is this not what you wanted when you asked for BG to be open all those months ago?
Total domination. Your wish was granted, enjoy.
This is False they have a server full of people that can take the fight to BG. They are tanking and have had guild leaders clearing stating this from Maguuma.
Why is it happening.
- They are bored in Teir 1
- They want to drop to Teir 2
- And if they don’t drop then they are looking to be merged with another server in order to faceroll BG.
The main wvw guilds are still on Maguuma, and simply are not logging.
You forgot the real issue, for the last 3weeks a certain server did not show up, match becomes boring.
So lets try this.
1. Certain server could not fight even numbered, they didn’t log in
2. Certain server bores the other servers to death, they didn’t log in
3. Certain server now seeing that they outnumber the other servers, now decide to play.
Certain server wins wvwvw by boring its enemies so the enemy transfer off to find fights.
Certain server only plays when it knows it can win, any other time avoids wvw like the plague.
How did I do?
inc lock for match up thread.
lol TC brought it on themselves let them burn
wvw keeping those gem sales alive.
There are players who don’t give a hoot about balance, they just want to be on top with the biggest rolling server.
I can not understand the logic of stacking a server, to “push it” to T1 thus creating servers to lose even more of the player base as they stop playing since unbalanced fights lose the attraction after a short while.
This is now player based problem, reality check, if you want fights you do not all go to the same server unless it not fights but a bag farm to make you feel good about yourself.
Sorry SBI the road up will feel fun, the road down not so much when they all get bored and latch on to another server to cause chaos too.
BG- Locked and unlinked
Mag- current server, Locked and unlinked
TC- Open/Very high and unlinked
JQ- Locked and unlinked
YB- Locked and unlinked
Edited for more accurate information. TC was opened up yesterday.
“we have developed a better model that exclusively uses WvW data to determine population levels”
Working as intended?
Its a tough task, how do you control the population when everyone transfers to a winning server, how can they predict what Guilds will do in advance? This is player driven. Maybe limit the amount of times you can transfer in a given time?
Or even the population that only comes out when they winning. Then hides in EotM when it is rough. These are the players that push you higher than you should be then disappear when it happens.
Just open BG to replace the players that transfered.
Do not even make jokes about it.
I think someone was not telling you the truth. Its getting near to re-linking, its Wintersday, BG choosing not to play WvW is why you are seeing less people.
If BG gets reopened again, might as well /resign. Lets hope Anet will not fall for this again.
Just tell anet you have friends on BG and you really want to play with them. They’ll ignore the full status and move you onto the server.
What Jim said is true unfortunately and has been verified by a popular individual on BG I hang with, kinda stupid but just the way it is.
You have to say Please and Thank you.
What is this garbage. Anet pls open BG for transfers so we can fix!
Fact – needs more people, I ran from North Camp to North East Tower and found no allies, I need someone to team with.
Rewards will just mean more stacking. Why hand certain servers this just because they got the numbers.
KnM and FL are OCX, we recently lost a very important SEA guild in Ng, but FOO transferred here this week. Your guild SoX is on MAG now which I believe still has KnF.
Three guilds came to BG as far as I know this week, and one of them is a havok/small ops guild. One of the reasons the score is so lopsided this week is the fact that MAG basically hasn’t shown up all week, not sure why especially after getting 2 new guilds last week in SoX and KeK, I would have thought they would be even more competitive, but they seem to have taken this week off when it started.
Yesterday knf wasn’t commanding but were running with sox commander and we were still outnumbered by BG blobs at least 3:1.
You are wasting your time. His on BG he has no idea what its like on other servers, he refuses to even see the problems, post after post of his says the same. BG needed more people, BG needed to open, come to BG be competitive, BG open get in now. BG still needs more people we cant queue 4 maps through all timezones.
The Guilds that stacked on there, the Guilds moving to the next bandwagon only pleases Anet sales team. Why fix when it is so profitable.
Its friday, they already left the building, by the time they get the message will be Monday. Late responses and weak excuses will follow, with a poll on what rewards people will get for skirmishes.
WvW was a mess before, now its like watching a train wreck.
WvW was meant to be competitive, the big BG stack that happened on Monday means that T1 can never be that again. JQ is trying to ninja every post when people ask about moving, so maybe they can be T1/1.5 to BG’s T0 but is there enough people to fill a third server actually making it competitive and at what cost to other servers.
Fact is, the people on BG do not care about other servers/balance/competition even though the health of their own depends on that too, what happens when no one comes out to fight you? When no one flips anything back so the BG Choo Choo will be derailed, by the time some realize what has to be done, will be too late.
Anet made this mess, how do they intend to resolve it? Do not expect the player base to do it, since they were the ones stacking on to BG soon as it opened. JQ SEA destacked? And look where they all went.
How long will Anet take, the clock is ticking, people are already leaving.
Tick Tock Tick Tock
Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.
You got played.
If you have your finger on the pulse and can see the transfers, why is BG still open. The transfers in to BG in the last 24hrs could have made one of your new worlds that you wanted.
You can not fix the error in judgement of the last 24hrs, those accounts are not going anywhere. Maybe you can limit the damage by lowering the map population forcing obscene queues but next time you say they had less population of certain links, put that server against them and see what happens, this is NOT a beta test that can be taken out.
So Arenanet, given you manually locked JQ and TC quite quickly when 1 guild moved to each of those servers, how quickly are you going to move to lock BG with at least 4 guilds moving to BG now?
That was done to prevent BG from getting any competition. The Golden child will receive whatever it wishes.
Anyway, moved this account there today, if you cant beat them join them.
(this is a alt account which will be filling the queues being hopeless in greens, and was paid for by ingame gold from AB, see the game is even broken in PvE)
And when people didn’t wildly support it anet opened up BG as a big kitten you to the player base.
Anet gave you a solution, you all said No, now live with the consequences [insert evil laugh] flips the switch to open BG. [ hysterical laughter ensues]
So a day after BG is open, look at T1 currently. BG ticking 162, FA ticking 74, Mag ticking 16. So opening bg has made t1 toxic again.
They taking balancing the servers seriously.
The extra funds from gems is paying for the Xmas party. BG war council sponsored.
They would also have got TGA another SEA guild. Good luck fighting those doors guys.
Im sure they wont see any difference. Thats all they been fighting for ages now.
Lower the map cap.
Sarge go log in to game now. BG is running a karma train, if this is what you find fun then the servers need to go.
Mags and FA if you stopped back capping, let it sit green, the train will be derailed, give it a week or two, the people that actually enjoy WvW will be gone. Anet just destroyed BG and you have yet to realise it.
Why people got so salty about JQ and BG opening up? Next step is removing server link
I’m not salty at all the question is a legitimate one regardless of how one feels about BG/JQ. Why would they have even bothered making the thread they just made, makes no sense.
None of it makes sense, RIP.
So why even bother with the bullkitten thread about adding more servers to better balance WvW if you’re going to open BG again?
I just reread that thread and had the same thoughts. All I know the week I have to fight BG will be the week I PvE, let them have all maps, boredom is the only cure now.
Anet can not or will not fix it, players will stack to win, and now they will be adding extra rewards to skirmishes, the stacking is going to be so strong.
Nearly time to call it.
So… I asked politely with please and thank you just as I said earlier in this thread and look what happens
Everyone is well aware of you not liking competition, King of EotM.
Or, conspiracy theory time, they are testing new hardware and mega WvW servers are inc.
Haha my first thought, last chance at the transfer cash cow before it all blows up.
Such a mess.
Anet highest income week this year inc.
How many can you squeeze on a server before it bursts. The answer will be soon revealed, stay tuned.
It always about the balance after all. Anetcares#
Should of got em on BG with the trick lady green arrow used
Please, Thank You and having a close friend in the business.
BG doesnt need pairing, just ask Anet and people can be moved there.
Just dont forget to say Please and Thank you.
Nah its because if we did, people like you would never let it go.
Are you denying that people ARE moving into BG regardless of the full status?
And you are right, I will not let this go.
You seem to enjoy the fact that there is no competition for you unless servers are linked even then it seems not to be a advantage for them, chest thumping that you are the last of the old T1 servers. Would you not like for once to look at skirmish timer and have to work for it, when was the last time BG actually had a real “Oh KITTEN” moment, my thinking was just before Anet opened BG up for that week 3 months ago and people flooded in. Over looking the part that Anet is still moving active WvW’ers into BG regardless of full status.
Anets mistake, never under estimate people’s need to win with minimal effort.
Realized I still got the Class II Stabaliser, is there any point to keeping this right now?
I never went to all locations as there did not seem a point at the time, but this seems to have stalled or was it something to keep us entertained while waiting on Ember Bay?
Why did mag get a pair lol??
At this logic u might as well give BG a pair too, cause you, why not…
Very fail links.
BG doesnt need pairing, just ask Anet and people can be moved there.
Just dont forget to say Please and Thank you.
The cries of “I want to play with my friends” should be responded by Anet with “We appreciate that you want to play with your friends on an overstacked server, but we want WvW to be a competitive experience for every player…..”
Unless you say Please and Thank you.
Problematic in that most of the player base seems to not want a competitive experience, certain servers still want a win at any cost stating that its for the health of THEIR server, they really could not care about the rest of servers health, if they are the last server standing, then they will class that as a win.
As someone said. Time to blow it all up, start again, if people leave the chances are more will join once it actually becomes competitive.
All those gems sales add up, this is more of dream than reality.