Guild Wars 2

I don’t know of the site, but it’s 2013 awards given to best existing mmos, not mmos launched during 2013, as gw2 isn’t one. So they picked gw2 over all existing ones for what it’s worth. So if it’s a legitimate award, it’s quite an achievement.

I work as well and after 1500+ hours, I now play from living story to living story and can understand solecito. People like solecito fund the game in the long run, not the $60 one time purchasers that can spend 6 hours a day on the game.

I don’t think ascended gear means you’re skillful, and many examples were given for legendary as well. Maybe the idea is to get different ascended skin for people who support the game by $. So you can tell who’s supporting it by being there and populating the world and who’s there and supporting with $. If marketed and presented right, you’d avoid discrimination issues.

Arah P4 months ago when I got the DM title. The only time I ran this path, it was with a pug. It took us an hour or so. Surprising to me post forum topics, Simin was a breeze. Somehow despite being a first timer, I found myself luring half the sparks with another guy taking the other half and I could swear it was the easiest boss. I told my guild I got the DM and everyone was like how did you do p4?
Some COE pugs are great, everyone can dodge and alpha bursts down in seconds.

I solely pug so if the comparison is to the speed clearing records, I never came close to any.

a t s e.9614:

TC , BG and JQ are the best servers for any content . I don’t know about EU pugs but NA pugs aren’t bad . I pug 90% of my runs and never had a problem
Except for slow boss kills because of PVT or cleric people besides from slow kills Pugging is fine . Just be sure to be cool or lead the party if they are new to dungeons.

+1. On top, I find NA pug culture very friendly. Over hundreds of pug runs, I haven’t seen anyone getting kicked mid dungeon. I’ve been playing neverwinter online for a bit and one thing I miss is having everyone speak the same language, which you get in gw2 NA.
Also relevant to your question, I moved from NY (fiber optic) to London (DSL) in April and stayed with HoD server. I havent noticed much of an issue with my gameplay since my move unless I am in a hotel.

just a theory, never tried it, but I think the spider ends up in two spots, between the fences and you or stuck in the pillar. I tend to see that when it’s on the side, you’re ranged and groups tend to die. when it’s in the column, it’s almost foolproof. The kiter could go up the stairs first and drop into the stacking area once spider is through the door properly, forcing the spider to get stuck inside/behind the pillar so everyone is melee range.

here’s an exploit, don’t tell anyone… melee… you’ll do the wurms in no time.. it also works in other parts of the dungeon..

colesy.8490:

Rufy.6093:

The elitism is strong in this thread. If you people have such a hard time with unique specs, how about you form your own groups instead of pugging and making fun of unique builds. All dungeons are stupid easy and there’s plenty of viable builds that work just fine. Stop being jerks and try new stuff. You might have fun.

We have a hard time with bad specs, don’t sugar coat it. “Unique”, LOL.

but but dungeons are easy, i can finish them in like 4 hours with my unique build of awesomeness..

joke aside, i tried a lot of builds with all classes, it was fun to begin with. eventually i kept on switching mid dungeon to zerkers (or pvt guardians) and further down the road, i stopped using any build that wasnt dps efficient (like pvt guardian) cause it’s
1) boring
2) selfish
3) detrimental to everyone’s l2p progress
Now quite a few people are genuinely trying to tell people that you should either
1) choose a sub-optimal build and play with people who dont care about that and have fun rotating builds
or
2) switch to optimal builds and look for other challenges in the game with the better players while teaching others how to play

that’s not elitism.

Third and the bad option is trying to tell people your unique build is as great because most likely it isn’t, that’s why it’s unique.

first of all, thanks for the troll thread. regardless, I am genuinely curious about which mmos have the best dungeons? I haven’t played any mmo outside gw2 for more than 100 hours so havent found one that i liked. At 1200 hours here, I played all classes in all dungeons mostly and it was fun.
i don’t get the long dungeon argument, why does a longer dungeon mean a better one? why would i prefer locking my life up at longer periods?
And how’s having the option to skip or fight mobs any bad? create no-skipping groups if you want. Is there an mmo out there where you need to kill trash mobs that actually require tactics like bosses?
We definitely can use more dungeons in the game and they are all easy once figured out. With no gear grinding (ascended pieces aside), I do find it hard to come back to play them over and over again. That doesnt make dungeons bad, it just makes them too few.

Tobbygnome.6793:

Sea of Sorrows killed him, here is the screenshot for proof.

That’s because there’s a staff guardian there.

and those spiders don’t reset on wipe, I mean how are we supposed to finish this? i guess i have to quit my job and spend 20 hours per day like you elitists..

This is outrageous, we need a fix tafu thread right now.

IB camping ele, because if it works ok in AC, it must be OP everywhere.

Mine is dhuumfire necro in winter gear cause I want to feel all xmasy while watching my enemies burn to ashes.

Listen to everyone, get zerker gear if you consider yourself a semi-decent player. Since this is your first alt, it’ll probably hurt a little bit in the beginning but you’ll learn to play.
If you get PVT and are actually a good player, you’ll just think dungeons are long and boring.
Not to mention, you can get zerker gears through the easiest dungeons in the game, CoE and CoF.
If you buy some MF gear today btw, tomorrow’s patch will let you switch to zerker gear so if you have money, buy cheap MF gear. You can’t sell converted gear but can use it for your alts. That’s what I did as I have 8 alts and some aren’t on zerker.
Lastly, $10 gets you 30 gold I think in game nowadays in a legit way. That should also sort you out nicely.

Emanuel.9781:

Flissy.4093:

It’s somewhat invalidated when all your Wayfarer were Masterwork stats. It would be interesting to see what the difference would be in Exotic (with Ascended if they even exist …)

How so? I thought it’d be even better, since it’s even worse gear. Only noobs need exo gear.

I would just use burning with that gear as that’s how I like to play. I have a burner necro that’s uber sweet. I use staff #1 autoattack and the OP trait Dhuumfire to watch my enemies burn to ashes. On effigy, I got the chance to finish LOTR trilogy.

Just sharing, you can click on the highest slot on the trait line to fill that line up to that minor or major trait. I don’t ever use + button anymore.

Are you on NA server or EU? I’ve been running COE all paths for the last 4-5 days on my new thief (all gw2lfg.com) and I have to tell you it’s amazing to have thief in this dungeon. I have all 8 classes at 80 w/ exots fwiw. You can give 50%+ vigor uptime to whole party (alpha), refill their endurance frequently(alpha), spam-blind mobs. One run I had where there was another thief, we got compliments such as “you guys make this way too ez”.
Not to mention you can skip the whole laser jumping part with a thief, but I still do it for fun. You can also skip most parts with SR easily, though they are easy anyways.

I just did this yesterday with a pug ranged. I was the only guardian (0/5/30/30/5) and noone else had reflects. We killed the npc first, killed few front spawning spider sets and turrets. Then one warrior rifled the tree while I tried to protect/heal him and four of us downed the occasional spiders/spider swarm. I don’t think we dodged all shakes well either. It took a bit but mostly we never neared a wipe. One guy even apologized for his play at the end for not knowing the boss enough as it was his first run.
I def had worse runs though so it depends on the group I guess.

Guardian, probably 40+ tries
0/0/30/30/10
40% endurance regen food
PVT gear with zerker phase 2 weapons and trinkets.
GS on phase 1 for pulls with #5, scepter torch on phase 2.
My issue was the time and the camera mostly. I hit the time limit a good 10 times. Event bugged on me few times with multiple oozes to join the fun.

I had a lot of room for error on my very first try. You probably can trait 0/0/30/20/0 and have enough healing to keep you alive and turrets to help you out. Let me know how it goes.

Anyone can do this. Ooze 7 with all gambits but the crowd pleaser can be done with the following set up:
zerker gear, I assume most have them anyways.
10/10/30/20/0
elixir-infused bombs
elite supplies
backpack regenerator
Eat omnomberry ghost
When you enter the fight, drop elite supplies on the ooze and a rocket turret mid way. switch to bombs on top of him and spam 1-5 while you sip your martini. i also threw in a healing field from elixir gun couple times and my health didnt drop below 70% with 5 gambits. I didn’t use healing skill at all i think. So you have plenty of room to deviate if you dont want the food/full zerker gear e.t.c.
You’re welcome

+1, same here /15 chars

Wow-killer mmo specs
1) have three times as many skills as wow
2) three times longer running raids
3) protection against casual gamers with single monitors and no gaming mice
joke aside, keep playing. not every game is for everyone and probably for wow-veterans who feel very invested in their skill bar/macro/mod/gear set ups, this game with little barrier to entry may not look as deep but it’s a different style. For $0/month, there’s a lot to enjoy here for some time to come and the community is great.

I did this with a pug yesterday, after failing 10 times or so, while lying dead on the ground watching properly, I noticed the telegraph of the instant downer which is also the spider summoning move. When tree starts shaking his leaves, 1 2 3 dodge, in fact double dodge. We had very little spiders summon for the rest of the fight when I told this to the party. With a single guardian, two rangers, necro and an ele, we killed the tree. It took awhile, but once we figured it out, it was surprisingly easy. or we were lucky re spider spawns.

Even if the other players aren’t waiting for you, ask anyways. Maybe they’ll let you win for a round even if they weren’t thinking about it.

I was having similar issues with my necro, and someone suggested removing speed boost sigil, and it worked immediately. Try removing speed boons, it may help.

I couldn’t get FTL on my PVT guardian, aka aggro magnet 9000 in most groups. I had to switch to a zerker eng and could even spam grenades while not getting pulled. I agree with Mad Queen Malafide, you run out of options quickly if you’re getting chain pulled. I honestly had easier time with squishy classes on this part due to aggro mechanics.

So we have a content, a jumping puzzle, that’s very difficult and time consuming but doable solo, not so difficult with few players, easy with 50 players and a joke with 200 in a mmo. You can set your own difficulty level. In fact, guest to a crowded server and you have as many or as little wps as you want thanks to mesmers. Isn’t that what we want?

BTW, +1 for Griffonrook but it’s not something I want to go back and do again haha.

you can also use necro’s spectral walk. it helps immensely

+1, especially when part of the content is time consuming and not promoting gameplay: running around smashing pinatas and shooting fireworks for hundreds of times or parking on caches.

Please send an invite

I feel that you have a lot easier time on this one if you’re one of the last ones to get aggro. The one to get most aggro is the unlucky one as you rarely have control over where golems will end up when they turn and pull you when your pug group is all over the place, or so I felt. I finished this dungeon yesterday, but want to do this part again few times. It’s just rest of the dungeon is rather boring.

Jam.4521:

I wiped lots on the Golems but then again it was fun and I like the mechanics, I like how you need to actually think about the dungeon to complete it.

I will definitely be back for it.

Does anyone have any tips on predicting/avoiding the pulls on those Golems that pretty much 1 hit kill into the lasers fields?

I’d like advice on this as well on the last phase. I had constant aggro from the golems and I haven’t managed to stay on the crates for more than 2 seconds through 4 wipes despite having a guardian with bunch of aegis options. My shouts ended up getting used for confusion that I constantly got. The golems also wouldnt move away from my downed body until they make sure I am dead. I had to leave after 4 wipes but was seriously thinking about switching to a lower toughness alt to distribute aggro better. the pug group was bad in general and in that last phase there were 2-3 of us so maybe that’s the issue but I didn’t feel like I could duo this part with this one other warrior guy that was decent.

I tried the new dungeon with my PVT (exot) AH Guardian, and at the middle boss part where there’s a mix of large and small electric laser walls, I had aggro pretty much 100% of the time. Whenever I tried to jump on crates, I get pulled by 2 golems into the electric walls, basically instantly downing from full health. Then they wouldn’t leave me until I am dead. The PUG group I was in had only 2 other players that could survive to that phase so that doesn’t help me getting back up. Did anyone manage to do this part keeping full aggro with constant confusion and pulls? I have shouts with condition cleaning but I ran out of shouts/aegis skills quite fast at that phase.
I am thinking about switching to some alt with less toughness to keep aggro more distributed but wanted to check if I am missing a trick here.

no ach in henge of denravi, noone is getting it

Guardians emerged to be preferred team members of PUG groups as they are pretty decent in keeping an average group alive. However you’ll find that most dungeons are much easier with DPS so most people opt for a full DPS with a skilled group or DPS + 1 guardian for a generic group.
Unless you want to finish a dungeon at record time, necro and eng are both great and fun to play with. Stay away from turret build in eng though, that one still is quite weak in dungeons. I haven’t seen necros run minion builds in dungeons either, while it’s fun to do so in open world.

my response was to the OP. I’d love to see solo dungeons, but I bet if we had them, they’d have a whole lot of posts complaining about how easy/difficult they are and how they should be changed haha. They have their hands full with fractals and regular dungeons already.

1) You should use gw2lfg.com and ask for a friendly group
2) I think your desire is very reasonable, but anet feels like creating multiple difficulties per dungeon or 1/5/10 ppl variations of dungeons is not the best return on their resources. I can’t comment on that as the game seems to be working quite well as is. In fact, I hated group play in wow so I am quite happy gw2 pushed me into a guild which I am one of the leaders of now.
3) Please do not expect all the content to be available to every person of every play style. You cannot simply create wvwvw experience for solo players, or spvp with bots for solo players again. Yes bots are a middle ground for some content but probably isn’t worthwhile for anet.
All in all, I’d love a solo dungeon as well, but can live without one.

Thanks all. Those were my thoughts as well. I’ll go Guardian. I like guardian in regular dungeons as well, it helps when you can support average PUG team so there are no wipes, no rage quits or fights.

I have all class alts, 6 at lvl80 w/ exot gears, and am debating which one(s) to bother fractal leveling. I like them all on regular pve/dungeon content. I played eng up to lvl 18 with rare mf gear with no AR for the challenge of it but I read somewhere they are not the preferred class later on so stopped there.

I am sure this got asked before but which classes are viable at 30+/40+ fotm at the moment? Which class do you enjoy the most on high levels? Are very high levels fun after the first few runs or are they just for gear/skin grinding?

mosspit.8936:

bartem.2731:

I 100% agree that they should, but they won’t. I think asking while indicating they wont be kicked out would encourage them to come out. If they don’t read the chat, which is common, all is lost.

Yeah dungeon newcomers will probably not visit these forums. But for the slim chance that they do, maybe they can start voicing out.

Question: Do you run dungeons often and for how long since? Do you in fact ask your party for newcomers every run assuming PUGs?

I don’t have the DM title, as I ran all but 2 Arah paths (due to time needed on a first proper run) multiple times including fotm. I don’t ask as I don’t mind if I lose some time and few silvers because someone didn’t mention their experience level. I do ask if I notice oddities. I only kicked one person out as he was outright damaging the group by doing opposite of what we were telling him to do, very seemingly on purpose. That’s me, but if you are particular about newbies coming out at the beginning, you might as well ask yourself. By definition newbies wont be reading forums as much or is accustomed to dungeon etiquette.

mosspit.8936:

bartem.2731:

Agree with Saulius. In fact, they rarely read the chat. It’s always a good idea to ask whether anyone is new to the dungeon and tell them to pay attention to chat and targetting if there’s any. You may be more forgiving than the next PUG guy, and maybe he will quit cause someone else is new. You probably want that as well.

Newcomers should voice out if they are new to a path even if they are not asked. I mean a newcomer only needs to voice out once (or a few times) that one is new as opposed to questioning the party every run.

Btw I have raised the newcomer question before and no one responded…. until they hit a wall later in the run and promptly said they are in fact new.

I 100% agree that they should, but they won’t. I think asking while indicating they wont be kicked out would encourage them to come out. If they don’t read the chat, which is common, all is lost.

Agree with Saulius. In fact, they rarely read the chat. It’s always a good idea to ask whether anyone is new to the dungeon and tell them to pay attention to chat and targetting if there’s any. You may be more forgiving than the next PUG guy, and maybe he will quit cause someone else is new. You probably want that as well.

If I have the map open when someone starts the path selection dialogue, I can’t escape out of map or select a path. Simple bug but it’s annoying as I have to wait for the timer to finish which takes a long time.

Tekno.3027:

If there is another thread like this one i am sorry,i tried to find it but with no luck.

Since that achievement “reset” in February patch,Master of Overkill and Master Crafter are awarding 0 achievement points,was that intended or is yet another bug?
And if it’s intended i find it kinda weird,cause i am pretty sure the Master of Overkill gave 10 points,while i can’t exactly recall how much Master Crafter was awarding.

I have 0 as well. It says completed, but with 0 points.

They were much easier with gold making exploits, t/p opportunities and without loot issues when game launched, now it’s a more difficult and very dull process. I saw someone quoting precursors at 36g at tp post karka event, and now they are unreachable unless you’re lucky. Anet seems to be addressing it per this thread “Colin tidbits on February release”, I hope they do.

Ioflux.4369:

Sorcerer.3095:

IMO ban kicking unless somebody has been disconnected or AFK for more than 5min (or maybe shorter) . Kicking can be abused too easily if you just let players freely do it. If you have a bad player in your group you should rather communicate and try to fix problems that you have.

If you can’t kick in dungeons, you’ll have trolls thatll harass your party and wipe you repeatedly and you cant do anything about it.

Doesn’t jailing help with that? You can prevent the troll from playing and he will have two options, to wait till the end or leave the party. Or he can made amends if he kitten off some people for no reason and can get released knowing that he can be jailed again.

There are other threads for this discussion with various solutions so apologies in advance for the repeats. In an organized fashion, which of the option is the best you think or add if you feel there’s another one

1) Leave it as is
2) Increase to 3 votes
3) Increase to party-1 votes
4) Ban kicking
5) Ban kicking after 15 mins of entrance to the instance
6) Ban kicking after 15 mins of entrance to the instance with the voted option to jail/release a player for the rest of the dungeon if he’s causing more harm than good
7) Make all/some of the above options, an option in instance creation, so people can choose kick-free dungeons for example

Let’s concentrate on the cases where the player didn’t DC please as that will leave 4-6 out of the discussion.

My vote is for #6 or #7 as you might guess. I don’t think people should kick a player out at the end of a dungeon just because a guy didn’t meet communication/play expectations, which are extremely subjective. We don’t make each person a police and give him a gun to shoot whoever he deems bad for a reason.

RNG is bad if it’s not the same RNG for everyone. At the moment, DR system has bugs, noone can claim otherwise, and Anet implied same way in another thread. What can frustrate people is the inability to find out whether they are getting the proper loot table for their play style. This obviously then leads to whoever is having bad RNG thinking they hit the bug and are being punished for Anet’s design/coding errors.
I did have terrible RNG or DR curse for three weeks, I couldn’t tell, while my gf next to me was enjoying loot galore no matter what activity we picked. I don’t think I have it anymore though again, tough to tell. At least some days I see rares now. I wish I can tell when I am hitting DR though.

Start an alt, make 8 lvl80 alts, do the dungeons with those alts and/or random pugs, change traits, solo lupicus
wvwvw? pvp? jumping puzzles?