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That’s what I was getting at in the second paragraph. Just because Jormag seems unlikely with everything we know, doesn’t mean there won’t be a second Scarlet flying out of left field to move him up to our priority.

What Thanathos was saying is that Jormag hasn’t do anything during the Living World or HoT to put itself forward as a candidate for us to target. With the information we potentially now have at our fingertips on Primordus, and Kralkatorrik’s entanglement with the new Glint’s legacy superplot (plus whatever preparations the Pact had put into place), they both seem more likely than a dragon who’s only involvement in the last three years is the actions of the Sons of Svanir in a pre-existing metaevent and the enmity of a single young norn.

That said? At the end of the launch game, I’d have put Mordremoth at dead last for the next likely dragon. It was the only one we didn’t have reason to believe was already awake and active (and, in fact, it wasn’t), and certain dialogue indicated the orders didn’t even know it existed. It took an entire season of living world to move it out of fifth place. Speculating just on where HoT ends may be insufficient to make an accurate guess.

I wouldn’t think of Gorseval as ancient. It’s just a bunch of the spirits haunting the place melding together, and hints are that the current bandit presence had a hand in their death- them, or whoever’s living behind that wall. Seeing as we know that community wasn’t there in Prophecies, probably even Nightfall, that puts Gorseval’s age at about 252 years at the absolute oldest, and likely much younger.

(I’d even dispute that Gorseval necessarily predates Mordremoth’s death. Of the dialogue I’ve seen, the only thing that refers directly to it are a couple of the bandit journals, which have nothing fixing their chronology. They do mention that the windstorm riled the ghosts up, though, and that becoming something like Gorseval is a reaction to feeling threatened. Putting those two together, it’d make sense to me that they’d be more apt to fuse after the storm than before. That’d leave Gorseval either not existing before that, or at least becoming much larger afterwards.)

I do hate to be the killjoy here, but we actually see that tree (right on that page, in fact), and it looks nothing like a Pale Tree- or a blighting tree, for that matter. Nor has it grown nearly as fast. It does, however, look like a somewhat bigger specimen of a species of tree we see all over Kourna- Mebahya trees, if that link you provided is to be believed.

As for Malyck- what we hear from him is that his tree is at the end of the river his pod ended up in. While it is a little unclear where exactly that is, it seems most reasonable for it to be somewhere west, or south, of Brisban, and practically impossible for it to be in Kourna.

I’d take worse wounds from an exploding mortar shell than I would from being struck by an arrow. Does that leave me with a particular weakness to fire? Or does it just mean explosives are typically stronger?

I think there might be a couple others around the Grove, but this is the exchange I always think of when this question comes up. They don’t return to the Dream of Dreams- Killeen is pretty clear about that in the novel Ghosts of Ascalon- but per this conversation, they do have regular dreams, and it seems that the emphatic bond they have with other sylvari can affect them.

There’s also this account, which seems to be from a fresh Soundless.

There weren’t before, but they grew in with the new city. I’m half convinced it was only for the shot of all the refugees pushing through in the trailer, but…

EDIT: Looking at it from afar, though, it’s not nearly as large an area as the pre-Scarlet farm. It looks like close to half of it hasn’t been regrown.

The major farm is still mostly there, out under the mill. It’s just not neatly terraced anymore, and I don’t remember if the sprinklers got repaired.

As for what fields the humans are seen leading in GW2’s timeframe:

-lighter than air travel (the basics of airship technology, even if the human aesthetics didn’t make it over)
-clocks and similar mechanism-heavy devices, like the mechanical orchestra
-irrigation and quite possibly plumbing
-fortifications and massive-scale stone architecture
-adapting other races’ advances

I think the issue isn’t that humans are behind technologically, but that we haven’t had any stories that’re solved by what they excel in. If we’re engaging in protracted war campaigns, of course militant industrialism is going to be easier to pick up on; if we’re investigating the nature of magic and how it can be turned against magical beings, of course arcanic sci-fi is going to predominate. Plus, the asura are just flashy, the more so for standing out in a fantasy setting. The human capabilities fade into the background until we take them for granted, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t still comparatively remarkable.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Kralkatorrik is still possibly badly damaged from the fight with DE still, going after him is the next logical step because he’ll be having to play defensively due to having lost a lot of power.

This idea seems to be making the rounds right now, but I don’t really get it. I just re-read the fight scene in EoD, and neither the guild nor Glint ever do more than superficial damage. The worst Kralkatorrik probably suffered in that fight was when Snaff was able to disrupt its body and knock it out of the sky-essentially mimicking a mid-flight seizure, with some additional magical effects- but considering it got right back up after Snaff’s dealt with, took flight, and “lifted easily away”, I’d be skeptical of any claims that the experience caused it lasting harm. Particularly to the point of crippling it eight years down the road.

It’s becoming something of a pet peeve of mine that people jump behind this. I suspect it simply comes down to A.) confusion on the part of people who never read the book, or who’ve forgotten many details, when they hear DE “almost killed” Kralkatorrik, and B.) jumping to conclusions when it left DE alive, without considering the traits of Elder Dragons. Try to remember that the idea wasn’t to kill Kralkatorrik the way we would in game mechanics, with a thousand cuts, and that he narrowly escaped with a dozen hit points left. This was a set-up for a one-hit KO, everything hinging on one attack, and that attack missed completely. Yeah, Kralkatorrik took a couple dozen arrows, and Glint was able to draw blood once, but those are splinters and scratches to something that size. Which in a round-about manner loops back to the second point: the argument there typically goes that Kralkatorrik had a brush with mortality and that shook it enough that it ran away, ignoring that it’s an Elder Dragon. That’s not how we’ve ever seen Elder Dragons respond. When Zhaitan was bisected by the cannon, he smashed it and swung right back around to carry on the fight. When Asgeir knocked out Jormag’s tooth, it not only didn’t flee, it continued to pursue the fight after its enemies were ready to flee, necessitating a sacrificial spirit rearguard. Even Mordremoth, after we’d all but snuffed it out, blew its best chance of surviving within Trahearne to vent more aggression at us. They aren’t scared of foes when they survive the fight, so think this through. Kralkatorrik never regarded any of its opponents as a threat, except arguably Snaff and Glint. Its only reason to fight was because it was angry at the latter, and right after she died the former kittened it off. Once he was dead, there was no stake in continuing the fight, and a whole world of other things to do that it’d just re-awakened into. What we know about Elder Dragons also shows that they seem compelled to clear out a territory for themselves as a priority after awakening- it’s far more in keeping with our knowledge to assume Kralkatorrik went off to do that.

Looping back around to the topic of the thread- this would suggest Kralkatorrik is emphatically not just huddling in the Crystal Desert licking its wounds, waiting for a hero to finish it off. The safer assumption is that it’s just as busy expanding as any of the others. Since we aren’t hearing anything about that, we can discount the current map as its focus, as well as whatever charr lands lie east of it. That’d leave Elona to the south-east, or Dzalana and other lands we’ve never seen before to the east, or, possibly, south-west into the ocean- and all that is just if it’s still out that way. Just because it’s the crystal dragon doesn’t mean it’s mystically bound to the Crystal Desert. Actually, in this regard, it’s the second hardest dragon to pin down. Where destroyers or icebrood migrate into Tyria, showing where those dragons are pressing their borders against ours, the branded are migrating out of Tyria, with the only hint of where Kralkatorrik’s territory might be being ‘south’, and that’s if the minions are reliably able to tell the dragon’s location.

My point, beyond just finally chiming in to correct something that’s gotten a pass on a few threads, is this: in-universe, there’s no reason to believe Kralkatorrik is any weaker or more vulnerable than the other three, and therefore a more likely target (beyond being last out of bed); and out-of-universe, a pivot to deal with it would inevitably also get entangled with whatever peoples it has been tangling with. Don’t just expect it to be a stepping stone we can deal with while Elona’s in development- it’ll be up in the thick of the Elona story (or the Dzalana story, or wherever else.)

" Ah, Rata Sum! If it wasn’t for the Priory work, I’d be there now, meditating upon the Eternal Alchemy in the aroma of my very own genetically engineered flowers. "

That concept of genetics would require, if not precisely DNA, at least an equivalent
determiner of physical characteristics subject to tampering.

Unfortunately, we have very little to go on for the alliances, even for the generally sub-par exposition in S1- Calcifire got most of the big elements right (I’ll nitpick one of the smaller things below), but to speak specifically to your questions:

We don’t know for sure if Scarlet’s underlings knew what she was up to, but we were told in general what each signed up for (Calcifire got the Toxic covered, Molten jumped on for power, and Aetherblades were after loot), and none of that has to do with waking a dragon, so I’d guess your gut instinct is correct. Scarlet probably kept them in the dark.

The Molten alliance and Toxic alliance did not exist before- Scarlet brokered both- but they were both pulled from splinter factions of groups that did already exist. Aetherblades, we just don’t know- they seemed more closely tied to Scarlet, and much more cowed by her, so it’d be weird if they existed before her, but it’s possible. As far as I’m aware, we don’t even know if Scarlet was involved in getting them their airships.

As for the Inquest- it’s worth noting that after Aetherblade Retreat, in the second Aetherblade patch, we never see Inquest working for Scarlet again. Their councilor even brags that they quickly ditched her, albeit in response to a different question. It’s possible that they pulled out very early on, maybe because they learned what Scarlet was up to, maybe because they found they weren’t getting what they were promised out of it. It may even be that that was a splinter Inquest too, and that they were hunted down by the main Inquest later. Again, though, veering into things we have no information on.

Calcifire.1864:

the aetherblades were composed of bandits

*pirates

they were also composed of refugees from the MA attacks.

Really? Huh. Do you have a source for that?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Dragon minions have a form of hive mind with their dragon, so it’s no surprise they know the dragon’s name. And that would be how others learn their name – the dragons’ minions utter it constantly. This would be why the DSD’s name is largely unknown – even in-universe it is unknown, unlike Mordremoth’s name.

While I certainly agree with the general premise, I’m still curious as to how that might’ve worked out with Primordus. None of the destroyers we’ve encountered are great talkers, after all.

Plagiarised.2865:

My best guess, is that the Scroll of the Five True Gods was a relatively recent discovery, which may have excited scholars or began to have more promise than the other tomes.

Wasn’t there also a line about it being difficult and slow work translating it? Perhaps that’s another reason- three years ago, with Zhaitan, it might just not have yielded anything useful yet.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I also took the druids as being some of those allies that went missing – 1) the druids are the only civilized group we know of (other than the owner of the Tarnished Coast ruins) that have lived that deep into the jungle; 2) the druids disappeared since the supposed creation of the Exalted; 3) Most importantly, in GW2 there’s lines about the druids being called south from Brisban/Henge of Denravi. Turn this southwest and we have the approximate location of the Exalted (unless Tarir is north of Rata Sum – thus south of GW1’s Tangle Root/north of Magus Stones).

The druids are the stronger candidate, but the centaurs also seem likely- they lived in the same area, we’ve been introduced to peaceful offshoots in S2 that had lived near Forgotten ruins, and they seem to have been driven from their places since GW1 (or, at least, that’s the interview rationale for the Harathi attacking Kryta). Of course, nothing’s saying both groups can’t be former allies.

On mind reading: I must confess I’m a bit confused as to why we’re getting hung up on the Elder Dragon snag. In that same book, Jennah enters Logan’s mind to experience his memories, and later on Faolain does the same thing with Caithe. We don’t need to hone in on Kralkatorrik and try to extrapolate on whether it’d work on normal races when we have concrete examples like those. Granted, neither of the subjects put up much mental resistance; Logan wanted Jennah in his head, and Caithe was a feverish wreck at the time.

On mind control: Again, the grizwhirl is an uncomfortably indirect example. It’s asuran magitech, and as much as I think on it I can’t name any magitech that emulates a spell or vice-versa. (Maybe asura gates, but compared to portals they work on an entirely different scale.) Mesmer magic, as has been debated above, is usually about illusions, not mind control- that is, changing the input, not the output. I know it sounds like semantics, but it’s an important distinction, since illusions allow for the possibility of the victim catching on to what’s happening and then refusing to act accordingly. The only candidate for outright mesmer mind control that I can think of is the Court spellbinders in Brisban Wildlands, but as they only ply that magic on skritt, whose minds are suggested to operate in a fundamentally different manner and, in a sense, are more basic, the example may be of limited applicability to other races. In that instance, it seemed to be a planted overriding directive, one the skritt were unable to refuse or resist.

Now, that said- puppeteering bodies without the mind’s consent, while never yet seen with a mesmer, has been observed in a surprising range of circumstances.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

vanderwolf.7084:

1.) I don’t think revenants would have ties to ANY gods, since they aren’t from the first game and aren’t a human-origin profession (rhytlock being the first one)

I think this is important. I agree that Grenth is probably the single most prominent contender, but the link would likely be much weaker than for just about any other profession. The reason professions and gods were so closely linked in GW1 wasn’t just a quirk of human culture- the gods actually bestowed direct patronage on certain ones, essentially ‘buffing’ members of the professions that fell under their purview. Revenants, like engineers, are from a time after that patronage, so the relationship needed to form the link isn’t there.

Don’t engineers tend to look towards Lyssa and Kormir though (creativity and knowledge), despite being charr-originating and post-Silence of the Six? Pretty sure I’ve read this before.

I really don’t think that the time period would be much issue. Otherwise couldn’t we say the same for guardians and thieves?

Sorry, I should have clarified. I’m not arguing that new professions can’t look to or feel inspired by the gods- just that they, or their separate component parts, aren’t going to be lashed so tightly to a single god, because a single god no longer directly empowers them where the others wouldn’t. I certainly agree that an engineer could feel special reverence for Kormir, or even Lyssa- but they aren’t tied to that choice the way GW1 professions were. Making offerings to Kormir presumably wouldn’t make them more inventive or their concoctions stronger, nor does it give them any explicit advantage that they wouldn’t get making an offering to, say, Dwayna, in acknowledgement of the curative properties of their alchemy. Granted, this is all built on a rather unsteady foundation- the attribute-specific blessings were presented as a mechanic in GW1 and absent altogether in Prophecies, and the actual direct role the gods play in Tyria in GW2 is similarly vague, but I feel fairly confident in saying it was a thing that happened that doesn’t anymore.

As a side note, I’m only neglecting guardians and thieves because they’re built on foundations that did receive direct divine benefit at one time. For the guardian, I wouldn’t be surprised if that association carried over the same way rangers are still associated with Melandru. Thieves… I’m more dubious about.

vanderwolf.7084:

1.) I don’t think revenants would have ties to ANY gods, since they aren’t from the first game and aren’t a human-origin profession (rhytlock being the first one)

I think this is important. I agree that Grenth is probably the single most prominent contender, but the link would likely be much weaker than for just about any other profession. The reason professions and gods were so closely linked in GW1 wasn’t just a quirk of human culture- the gods actually bestowed direct patronage on certain ones, essentially ‘buffing’ members of the professions that fell under their purview. Revenants, like engineers, are from a time after that patronage, so the relationship needed to form the link isn’t there.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If this is so, would a revenant become corrupted either slowly or quickly? No. The copy of the Elder Dragon – or the soul of one – would not retain the original body’s magic. So in a sense, it would no longer be an Elder Dragon.

Would it need to have the original body’s magic? After all, the entire point of legends is being able to harness copies of their powers, and the article that gave us the details we’re using also said that a legend can keep enough control over that power to partially turn it on the revenant. Is it so far fetched to think that the Mist’s recreation of an Elder Dragon’s power- or corruption- could be close enough to have the same effect?

" If I can just concentrate, I can sense life force. It’s not strong or reliable… "

Like any of the other profession abilities we’ve been arguing about the last couple days, there is no canon statement as to how it works exactly or even what form it takes, but a life force, as you say, ‘sixth sense’ is written into the game.

draxynnic.3719:

Regarding surviving mursaat: in War in Kryta, one of the Shining Blade NPCs tells us that there are only eight living mursaat remaining according to their intelligence, and then we proceed to kill seven of them (with Lazarus being the survivor). However, it’s always possible that said intelligence was incomplete.

As a matter of fact, said NPC (Salma herself) only accounts for seven mursaat, omitting Lazarus entirely, so unless she got some information we players never did about his death the intelligence was definitely incomplete.

Kalavier.1097:

In GW1, there was one bounty on a norn necromancer alongside other ‘legendary’ beasts or foes as I recall.

Worth clarifying here that that norn was declared a ‘notorious foe’ (not quite a bounty) because he “fought without honor” and “poisoned, cheated, and murdered” as much or more than because he reanimated his victims.

Do we know that the bloodstone we killed the Lich on is still there? ‘Cause apparently the first time Abaddon’s Mouth erupted, it was able to toss those stones as far as the northern Maguuma- and just because that particular one apparently went straight up and fell back in during the first eruption doesn’t mean it would’ve happened during the second eruption, at the end of Prophecies.

Or, if it wasn’t in a position to be dislodged by the second eruption, it might’ve been sealed over by the cooling lava. Unless Zhaitan somehow knew it had been moved there, or was able to sense it (like drax, I’m skeptical), his risen could tromp all over the site without the stone ever mattering beyond potentially leaking magic they didn’t know the source of.

Lord Ausar.3170:

2.
There are 6 known ED’s. Some have pointed out that its weird that 5 of the 6 (no idea where Bubbles the Deep Sea Dragon is) are located on just one continent, when we know there are two other full sized continents out there and probably more. So its possible there are other ED’s out there somewhere.

I want to address this really quick, because it’s a big discussion, but in short: everything we have tells us there’s only six. ‘Everything’, in this case, is remaining records from the jotun and dwarves, the human Scroll of the Five True Gods, and a vision we had in S2, where we see the Elder Dragons as part of ‘the All’, a cosmological model of reality. If there were more than six, we should have seen them there.

That does leave it odd that they clustered at Tyria- but not so odd given what we know of the last rising. The seers gathered up all the remaining magic, or put another way, all the remaining dragon food. We don’t yet know what triggers the dragons to fall asleep, but it doesn’t seem too surprising that most of them were in the area of the last known food when it happened.

We know one of his tails was taken to the Durmand Priory- we see it there in S2 of the Living World- but other than that, nothing. My bet, personally, is that it’s something too big to dispose of, and so it’s left where it is- under guard, perhaps, if the area has been sufficiently pacified.

The corridor, presumably, is on the other side of the gate.

In general, I suspect their ‘use’ is their concentration of wealth- the same use as any other upper class. The ability to sponsor enterprise and art shouldn’t be underestimated- see what Uzolan did with Caudecus’ backing, for instance. They also still seem to be the primary landowners , although that may well not apply to most of the ones clustered in the cities. They also seem to still be regarded as the natural leaders of communities, although some, like Arrin up there, are mostly the benign neglect kind. As a final cherry on top, it’s also possible they serve a vital role in tax collecting, which is how that army is funded.

Unfortunately, as all those possibles tell you, it’s not a subject that’s been very well fleshed out. Best single source is here , although it should be noted the interview was proven wrong on one account (the need to be noble to enter the Ministry). Other than that, it’s just a scarce hodgepodge of DR and Queensdale NPCs and early human personal story.

Maybe, but I’d be more inclined to look for a way to reconcile the two statements- and given how little we know about how a dragonrise ends, there’s plenty of room for it. What if the dragons don’t all fall asleep at the same time? If the slumbers are separated out even as much as the rises, Kralkatorrik might have been one of the first to go, and both statements could still work. Or, if minions aren’t destroyed at the end, perhaps what Glint was sheltering them from was a world still very much overrun and turned against the races, even with the EDs sleeping again? Or the records left by the races distorted over time and overplayed Glint’s role, and the interviews, as they so often do, just reflect the flawed knowledge of the modern races? Or Glint had some agenda to lie to DE and, yes, did hide the last races before Kralkatorrik’s slumber. Any of those I’d find more satisfying than assuming ANet didn’t check over one of the most important reveals in the book before it was okayed to publish, outsourced or no.

Not sure what you mean by envoy… but no, sylvari can’t send Wyld Hunts. They’re a compulsion that comes directly from the Dream, and even sylvari who share a Hunt don’t have any deeper connection to each other as a result, just a shared purpose.

But by Glint’s own account, she didn’t betray Kralkatorrik until well after he had gone into hibernation. To quote from EoD: “At first, for centuries, I defended my master. But I could hear his thoughts, too, and I knew that if he rose again, all good things would come to an end.” Emphasis mine. This would seem to conflict with the Forgotten path, but I’m hesitant to put less weight on Glint’s own statement than on that of a sylvari researcher who studied unidentified sources thousands of years after the fact.

It’s been a while, but the last time I investigated the fuzzball I concluded it was what the moon looks like in LA. No idea why it’s fuzzy, but…

EDIT: Went back to check. There’s a normal moon and the fuzzball’s nowhere in sight. Unless the moon has phases, though, it’s safe to say I was wrong.

Keep in mind that Abaddon’s name and existence were stricken from all records, to the best of the other gods’ rather considerable ability. The scroll (which wasn’t written by the forgotten) is of the Five true gods because the sixth, now ‘false’, god had been removed from it.

You do get a fair bit of interaction with her in TA, enough that we should be able to forgive her for her part in the centaur slaughter. As for forgiving her… I think it’s going to come down to what she’s trying to do with the egg. Caithe’s character, throughout the book and game, includes a lot of doing good things sneakily because she thinks the need is as obvious to others as it is to her, or because she simply doesn’t think they need to know. There are a couple in DE who don’t trust her because of it, but we haven’t had a reason to rue that behavior yet, aside from one surrendered Nightmare courtier for some sylvari. On the other hand, the stakes have never been this high either.

Most has already been answered, but here’s my take.

As for GW1, we fought dragon minions(destroyers, an icebrood, and depending on how you look at things, maybe branded), we saw Primordus and Kralkatorrik hibernating, we saw Primordus almost wake up, and we saw quite a few non-elder dragons, all of them but Glint and her kid in Cantha.

1) That’s… ambiguous. The clearest difference with the GW2 dragons is that the Elders are in charge and the others are minions. It’s loosely hinted they could replace them should the role become vacant (more on that shortly), and that possibly might mean the Elders were originally just plain dragons, but at this point it’s supposition. As for GW1 dragons… they’re possibly the same species, or at least similar, to Tequatl and such, but we don’t know. Glint is implied to be, and by extension her kid, but the Canthan dragons are only distantly implied to be linked. It’s also worth noting we’ve had a vision that suggests each Elder is an intrinsic part of the universe, suggesting they’re either replaced when they die or very bad things happen, whereas normal dragons, not so much.
2) Six Elders, by all accounts. Regular dragons… enough that there’s not much use in trying to count them, although all the ones we currently see in-game are servants to an Elder or, with HoT betas, a wyvern, which may or may not be a dragon. Zhaitan seemed to have dozens of dragons in his service, at the least, and the Canthan dragons appeared to be full species with healthy populations. There were also quite a few bone dragons marching with the orrian (but not risen, probably) undead in Kryta, but they certainly don’t seem to be around any longer.
3) Not really, but they do tend to twist the land around them into a certain way. Orr was a humid cesspit of decay, Jormag seems to have everything covered over by corrupted ice, and so on.
4) Primordus (fire), Jormag (ice), Kralkatorrik (crystal), Mordremoth (jungle), and the deep sea dragon, whose name may or may not start with an S.
5) Part of it’s probably mechanics, but as mentioned above, there’s very loose suggestion he’s sucking up Zhaitan’s energy, maybe on his way to becoming the next Elder Undead Dragon (but he is, canonically, dead now). EDIT: To expand a little, the dwarves believed, if Glint had survived long enough, she could have become an Elder by sucking up enough magic. The fact that Tequatl’s boost in power is considered lore suggests a similar process might have been happening.
6)Uncertain at this time. Most of the weapons deliberately built to exploit weaknesses have only been tested on risen. Ditto with strengths- we see similarities in how minions are made and act, but we haven’t necessarily pushed into any dragon’s territory other than Zhaitan’s… until HoT, anyway, so maybe we’ll see soon.

vanderwolf.7084:

The forgotten were servants to them yes, but they did not worship them…It was more of a respect based relationship than a following. They followed Glint far more than they followed the gods themselves.

The ones in the Crystal Desert, yes, perhaps, all though we do not know their motives. The ones who accepted eternal service as wardens of a place that makes hell look like a vacation? To me, that speaks to a devotion beyond mere respect.

I wouldn’t say that there’s no room for that theory in what’s been established. It depends on what that actually entails. The specifics of the link, particularly the mental link, between the dragons and their minions is not very clear-cut, and there are several cases of conflicting information- and, of course, there’s a very healthy dose of unreliable narrator tossed over most of what we hear.

draxynnic.3719:

It’s a fine distinction, but even a charr won’t argue that Balthazar, for instance, isn’t a god – however, that charr will refuse to bow down to Balthazar (beyond what they would be willing to do for any foreign dignitary) and would be quite happy to have a go at killing Balthazar if he or she felt she had a chance and it was in their Legion’s interest to do so.)

Maybe it’s a bit of a quibble, but I do not agree. Also this step in the personal story , where a charr character’s dialogue changes to "I don’t believe in “gods,” but whatever these creatures were, they were powerful. The source must be equally so." They believe that Balthazar and the like exist, but they don’t believe they’re gods or in any way divine, just very powerful. Several asura seem to lean towards that view too- the infamous book by Gadd in the Priory springs easiest to mind.

What Calcifire said, especially the druid. Besides, moving away from the specific charr context, I like it a lot better than Forge. It’s A.) a person and not an object, and B.) fairly witty as such things go, seeing as it might comfortably fit both definitions of the word.

Any of the dungeons, for a start. I’m not sure if he used it in the PS, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Ehecatl.9172:

Granted maybe that is why Glint was the only Dragon Champion still active. After the dragons went to sleep she was the one that killed the other Champions to secure an advantage for Kraalkatorrik.

I wouldn’t say that. There was the Great Destroyer, Drakkar, the risen Giganticus Lupicus… I’d bet rather that the champions are supposed to hibernate too, but Glint, thanks to a Forgotten-fueled rebellious phase, stayed up past her bedtime.

It could be that it is a Forge, or whatever the spec ends up being, but also keep in mind NPCs don’t play by the same rules we do. Take Rytlock, for instance- a warrior who we see wielding a pistol.

CureForLiving.5360:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Of course, nowhere is ever stated that they consume magic like proper dragon minions of all shapes and sizes. -coughs-

Do dragon minions consume magic?
I can only think of the Mouth of Zhaitan and it was consuming for Zhatain not itself.

They do- or, at the very least, the risen do, although the researcher in question applies the results generally to all the dragons. It’s part of the asura personal story, although, alas, those particular steps are still very scantily documented on the wiki. They’re Field Test and Test Subject, if you care to pull them up on YouTube.

Even if it’s possible, it’s ignoring the fact that some pretty heavy hints were dropped in S2 that killing all of the Elder Dragons is going to be a pretty bad thing. Like, end of the world bad. We’re still not exactly sure what will happen, but the current consensus is that rising magic levels, if left unchecked, will either enable an immense catastrophe or kick one off on their own.

Could be because he wasn’t awake when Scarlet was running around, and arguably Aerin too.

Enrif.7359:

Whats the Flame legion Homeland? Fireheart rise?

That’s where their Citadel is, so I’d say yes, at least in part. It might also encompass the mountains around it that make up the boundary between Ascalon and the Blood Legion homelands, and somewhere we haven’t see they also probably have the Plains of Golghein .

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Sublimatio.6981:

it would be pretty stupid to not attack jormag next. he already is the biggest threat after mordremoth

Is it though? It haven’t really made any major offensive since it awakened quite some time ago. Kralkatorrik seems to be just as much of a threat. And so do Primordus.

Kralkatorrik’s flown off and seemingly forgotten the playable parts of Tyria, though, and Primordus hasn’t made any real move towards us either. Jormag, on the other hand, is pushing down against the northern norn territories all along Frostgorge and Snowden, spearheaded by the Claws. It might not be the dragon itself coming out to do battle, but it is at least on the same scale as the push by Zhaitan that caused us to panic and form the Pact in the first place. It just hasn’t threatened anywhere as vital yet.

Yep. By this point, all the playable races know at least as much as, and probably more than, us players about every Elder Dragon except possibly Bubbles.

I’m sure they have plans for us to face it. It’s more a question of whether the game lives long enough for them to implement those plans. I’m hopeful, but… nothing’s guaranteed until we wait and see.

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CureForLiving.5360:

EdwinLi.1284:

For example, if we lose the Human Charr peace treaty we will lose support from both Charr and Humans for the fight against the Elder Dragon.

Caudecus doesn’t support the Charr peace treaty because he is using the hatred between Charrs and Humans as a mean to gain support. Not to mention he doesn’t see the Elder Dragons as a threat so if he succeeds in ruining the treaty and take the throne Tyria is most likely going to be screwed by the Elder Dragons.

We don’t really have the full Charr support as is. Currently we have the Iron Legion with limited support from Ash and Blood (and obviously no Flame support :P ). But so far we haven’t heard much from the Ash and Blood Imperator. Now we can argue that they’re working through their Tribunes but their absence at the world summit is notable much in the same way that Ebonhawks absence as the world summit was also noticeable.

Actually, we know that Ash fully supports Iron in it’s peace treaty with the humans. Blood is the wild card though. See: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bangar_Ruinbringer. I’ve had my suspicion that most renegades and most flame legion defectors were blood legion soldiers.

Even so, we see Blood Legion troops with the Pact in the Silverwastes, and the Iron Legion certainly didn’t send them.

" Physically, sylvari are male or female, and the relevant external biology is accurate on both , but they cannot sexually reproduce as the other races do; they have no internal organs capable of creating children. "Emphasis mine. This source was a dev lore post from a series they ran before the launch of the game, but it’s also come up in multiple interviews, always with the same response.

Yep, Balthazar. And we killed the fortune teller, and its Tyrian counterpart Razakel, during Nightfall.