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Can I order this paperback?
Ya, send $15 to my Paypal.
Thanks for your constructive reply.
NP, this game has more serious issues to deal with than giving people more rewards for less effort I think though.
To each their own.
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Can I order this paperback?
RIP my fair Engi and Ranger, you will be missed.
These events in orr are very boring, which is why nobody does them.
They also lack significant reward for time and effort invested.
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Current powerhouse?. Waiter, I’ll have whatever Dhampyr’s having.
Haha, I think he dipped into the “Theoretical” bourbon on that comment. I think in “theory” TC is the powerhouse, and our showing this weekend has been around 50% of the normal weekend numbers we’ve had over the past few weeks. We have the numbers to be amazing…but they’ve been staying home.
Weak numbers have been a REAL problem for us all weekend. It was hard to get groups of 15 together to make pushes in FABL and DBBL for most of the time. Even when we took junk, FA and DB showed up in force and took it back within minutes.
It’s alright though. I’m glad there’s pressure. I feel like after a high pressure week, TC has traditionally come out of the woodwork, fists swinging. Let’s hope that rings true again!
I’m surprised by all the TC comments about their fairweathers over the last few pages of this thread. It feels like only a couple of days ago that people from your server were painting FA with a fairweather paintbrush and talking about TC’s unwavering commitment – very odd stuff.
Loving this tier with DB. You guys are a lot of fun. It’s nice to have another server in this tier that enjoys some good fights just to fight.
Here’s to a great week.
Loving this tier as well, FA and TC really give us a run for our money.
Also, you VK guys are pretty impressive, been wiped more than once by you guys. Continue the good fights!
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Good fights today guys, loving it
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I got a Dusk drop not long ago. So, considering it was selling for 700 gold, yeah, you are much better off being lucky. You will not accumulate 700 gold by just playing standard style.
Yes you will, it will just take a while.
He was talking about just playing the game, not farming for it. I If I just “play” and not worry about farming, DE chests, etc. that I have to farm to break even, I actually lose money throughout the day some days.
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Is this true? I hope not, all 3 changes are the wrong direction imo, except maybe the first one.
Edit: Guess it’s true!
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I’m not sure how to fix it, but it needs to be fixed. Lack of viable support and non max dps builds makes this game play like an expensive Vindictus in PvE (lol)
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I’m glad they have shied away from DE’s being a cornerstone of end game content, because honestly Rift did them better.
However the PvP/WvW in this game makes Rift look like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.
If they do a massive DE update I can see them becoming a major part of the game again.
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Maybe because people want to actually play the game instead of debate random crap with you?
did you even read my post? if not, at least read what Mirta said.
im speaking about players that insults you and then put you in the blocked list, with no chance to answer them. this is indeed the way to play the game.
This has been going on literally forever. I even do this to trolls because I know it drives them insane to be challenged and then not have a chance to run their loud mouths.
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Lowering resolution helps too.
lol you’re suggesting to lower rez (from only 1080p) in 2013 o.O . I’m not playing on a Dell pc from bestbuy lol lowering rez should NEVER be an option.
Most people still don’t even have a high definition monitor with their PC’s, you do realize this? If your computer can’t handle the resolution, I would say it IS an option :P
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This bothers me for one reason. Some people cant afford to pay for gems with real money or have the money to convert in game gold to gems. Thus they bought the game knowing that it was going to be free and that you can obtain everything without paying a dime. It just takes longer. NOW Anet is just putting a lot of crap into BL chests that people want. Fused weapon skins are a big example of this.. They are out to line there pockets and i don’t think it is fair to the rest of us. Yes we can eventually get it but for some this is seen as not fair and will cause some people to steer away from GW2. I really think there should be another way to get these skins rather than just the GEM STORE. especially when the price of gold to gems goes threw the freakin roof!
That’s just stingy; how do you expect them to make money from this game? There’s no subscription, no expansions. Compared to almost every other MMO out there, the cash grab in this game is mild as hell. Literally the only underhanded method they use is the Black Lion Chest. They even allow you to trade Gold for Gems, which I’ve never seen before.
Hell, I’ve seen plenty of subscription based MMOs that abuse the cash shop more than this game.
You’re whining about a cosmetic item costing money? Try playing when you have to pay real money to use the chat, have more than a single inventory bag, go through dungeons, join a guild, or level at an acceptable rate.
If they don’t make money off this game, it doesn’t get updates. It if did poorly enough the whole thing would get shut down.EQ1 has a F2P option, Sub model (can be bought with in game currency so you never spend a dime if you want the gold account) and in their store you buy whatever weapon skin you want without pulling a slot reel.
That game came out at the end of 90s a sub only game and can make a cash shop where you can buy everything you want with in game currency without gambling and play for free now.
So why can’t Anet do this again with a new game? Because EQ sure as hell isn’t selling 3 million copies any time soon.
Took me 5 minutes to look up that game’s subscription model.
If you don’t pay $15 a month like so many other MMOs, you have limited access to character abilities, you have limited access to equipment, you cannot send any mail, you miss out on “Loyalty Rewards”, you have limited “Mercenary Tiers,” whatever that is, you can’t access a Guild Hall, you can’t create your own guild, you have limited access to the “Broker System,” you have limited chat access, you cannot access the “Progression Server,” you cannot contact Customer Support, and you get in-game advertising.
Real great model.
Grats on not reading literally anything I typed. Everything you listed can be gotten in game WITH IN GAME CURRENCY.
There I used caps this time. Read. Don’t tell me it isn’t true when I currently play the kitten game and don’t spend a dime on it and I have a gold subscription that was bought with in game currency, not $15 US.
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I doubt it’s going to get much more optimized. It’s built off of an old engine in DX9. I’m actually amazed it runs as well as it does sometimes.
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Sorry but what you listed for end game content most of us exhaust while leveling. The only thing they really have for end game atm is WvW, Legendary Grind, Fractals….and maybe LS. I will admit the SAB was kinda fun the first time I ran it, but it’s just temporary anyway.
BTW I have no desire for raids.
To each their own, I’m glad you are enjoying the end game
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This bothers me for one reason. Some people cant afford to pay for gems with real money or have the money to convert in game gold to gems. Thus they bought the game knowing that it was going to be free and that you can obtain everything without paying a dime. It just takes longer. NOW Anet is just putting a lot of crap into BL chests that people want. Fused weapon skins are a big example of this.. They are out to line there pockets and i don’t think it is fair to the rest of us. Yes we can eventually get it but for some this is seen as not fair and will cause some people to steer away from GW2. I really think there should be another way to get these skins rather than just the GEM STORE. especially when the price of gold to gems goes threw the freakin roof!
That’s just stingy; how do you expect them to make money from this game? There’s no subscription, no expansions. Compared to almost every other MMO out there, the cash grab in this game is mild as hell. Literally the only underhanded method they use is the Black Lion Chest. They even allow you to trade Gold for Gems, which I’ve never seen before.
Hell, I’ve seen plenty of subscription based MMOs that abuse the cash shop more than this game.
You’re whining about a cosmetic item costing money? Try playing when you have to pay real money to use the chat, have more than a single inventory bag, go through dungeons, join a guild, or level at an acceptable rate.
If they don’t make money off this game, it doesn’t get updates. It if did poorly enough the whole thing would get shut down.
EQ1 has a F2P option, Sub model (can be bought with in game currency so you never spend a dime if you want the gold account) and in their store you buy whatever weapon skin you want without pulling a slot reel.
That game came out at the end of 90s a sub only game and can make a cash shop where you can buy everything you want with in game currency without gambling and play for free now.
So why can’t Anet do this again with a new game? Because EQ sure as hell isn’t selling 3 million copies any time soon.
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Which player hemorage?
Why people who hate a game play or complain about playing is beyond me. Masochism is fun?
Those that really hate just walk away. The ones that complain overall like it but find rough edges that annoy them to a great or lesser degree, and hope to see them improved so that the game can become even better.
So a quote like “ArenaNet dug their own grave when they turned their backs on much of the GW1 community.” is from someone that wants to improve the game?
Yes actually, quite a bit of information in that sentence. He is trying to voice to Anet that unless they return to their promises they made during development, the game will continue to hemorrhage players.
By definition it’s a helpful response because it advises them that if things do not change, it will get worse.
Maybe hemorrhage was a poor word. Slowly lose maybe is more appropriate. WvW will continue to decline until it is properly updated, luckily the last patch breathed life back into it with the culling fix.
As far as PvE goes, a lot of people who play PvE on my friends list don’t even log on at this time, so I guess having Fractals…and…F&F….and…Fractals doesnt work.
sPvP died about 2 months ago. There was a small funeral.
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The team that was working on the living story content should really be working on new endgame PvE things. We don’t need temporary things, especially when they end there is nothing that was accomplished permanently and it will just be forgotten, like a holiday.
The living story content IS the endgame PvE.
Adding a bunch of extra gear skins, a bunch of new DEs, a new dungeon, and new achievements and still people are complaining about a lack of “endgame?”
But you see, the developer said its temporary. From what little information the extra gear skins aside form the fused and the dungeon are only temporary. Once may its end will go away. The new DEs aren’t really ground breaking. Defending a point from enemies that spawn from portals. Achievements are cool, but they are a really bad crutch for a game to latch on to.
Endgame should be something that you can do more than once, involves the player, keeps them invested, and is fun. While the LS is fun, most completed the steps within a day.
You realize the living story continues on after this one concludes, right?
Cool. We’ll be temporarily repairing signs in the Tarnished Coast next time guys! It’s cool! There is another living story coming out for all your end game needs!
Sigh.
Hooray for hyperbole!
Hooray for the defense of poorly conceived temporary events/ game design!
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Why people who hate a game play or complain about playing is beyond me. Masochism is fun?
Those that really hate just walk away. The ones that complain overall like it but find rough edges that annoy them to a great or lesser degree, and hope to see them improved so that the game can become even better.
So a quote like “ArenaNet dug their own grave when they turned their backs on much of the GW1 community.” is from someone that wants to improve the game?
Yes actually, quite a bit of information in that sentence. He is trying to voice to Anet that unless they return to their promises they made during development, the game will continue to hemorrhage players.
By definition it’s a helpful response because it advises them that if things do not change, it will get worse.
RIP my fair Engi and Ranger, you will be missed.
The team that was working on the living story content should really be working on new endgame PvE things. We don’t need temporary things, especially when they end there is nothing that was accomplished permanently and it will just be forgotten, like a holiday.
The living story content IS the endgame PvE.
Adding a bunch of extra gear skins, a bunch of new DEs, a new dungeon, and new achievements and still people are complaining about a lack of “endgame?”
But you see, the developer said its temporary. From what little information the extra gear skins aside form the fused and the dungeon are only temporary. Once may its end will go away. The new DEs aren’t really ground breaking. Defending a point from enemies that spawn from portals. Achievements are cool, but they are a really bad crutch for a game to latch on to.
Endgame should be something that you can do more than once, involves the player, keeps them invested, and is fun. While the LS is fun, most completed the steps within a day.
You realize the living story continues on after this one concludes, right?
Cool. We’ll be temporarily repairing signs in the Tarnished Coast next time guys! It’s cool! There is another living story coming out for all your end game needs!
Sigh.
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i still don’t understand why the separate game from spvp/ and everything else. spvp is fun but in small batches. I wish I was able to bring my legendary, or just que or and hope in with my toon. there are so many builds that ONLY work in spvp and not in wvw, pve, or random dueling in open world. why cant you just bring your main into spvp? this would attract a lot of other players to just want to casually fight and not deal with zergs etc.
Because they are turning it into an eSport man, didn’t you know? (lol)
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Usually I have in game sound on, but If I am listening to music it’s usually Feed Me or some classic rock.
I’m all over the place with my music preferences.
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I don’t care what GW1 was originally intended to be or how much people want to love PvP, Guild Wars 1&2 have always been VASTLY more PvE focused than PvP.
The PvP content makes up a tiny fraction of the game & waaaaay more people play it. That’s been true of most every MMO that has both.
That’s actually a misconception. PvP has about 20-30% at most of the player base as PvE does in nearly any MMO, with fair weathers coming into PvP from time to time when they get bored.
Every MMO PvP crowd says there are more people PvPing than PvEing, and as a mostly PvP oriented person I wish this was true, but it plainly is not.
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Hmm I figure it’s more of unity (?? whatever singular form is).
This is because every person does everything, it’s not that you can do any one of all 3, it is that you do all 3. Everyone heals themselves, everyone revives, everyone does damage. It’s all roleless. As many argue, the only worthwhile thing to focus on is damage.
This is the way it is supposed to work. Too bad too, it looked good on paper. Eventually there will be a patch to add more support/utility efficiency imo, because right now the game feels broken a lot of times, especially in PvE.
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I think GW2 is:
20% Open world PVE
20% Dungeon PVE
10% Fractal PVE
30% WvW
10% Jumping Puzzle
10% PvPI think that sums it up nicely…atm…
I would remove 20% from WvW and add 10% each to Open World PvE and Dungeon PvE. Like someone said earlier, 7 months of PvE patches and 1 WvW patch. Add to the fact they are adding a new dungeon, F&F event…yea there is a HEAVY PvE focus in this game atm.
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So, tell me… which DB guild has the most skills on the field? Who should we fear the most? BP?
This is drama/troll bait all day long.
Im in [BP] so i might tent to agree with this. but Lanii would believe [EA] and Warsock [rb], and noodles [RE] and lokii [NNK] and Sumira would think [TFV] or Kirrene and [WE].
We would all have a great discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of our guilds,maybe even learning something and improving on it, and then agree to disagree.
^^This is how members of the Dragonbrand community would deal with this topic IMO.
[rB] and [RE] are not DB guilds, they are transferred guilds from JQ and BG. But from the fights I’ve had against [RE] this week, they are definitely by far better than any guild on DB. [BP] is good too, however [RE] is the most formidable guild so look out for them. [rB] is the best roaming guild I’ve seen on DB. so if you’re looking for good small scale fights I would look for them. I can’t think of any other good smaller guilds on DB.
More forum bait lol, Gonna have to do better than this.
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From someone who never could get into GW1 after trying several times, I much prefer this game’s approach to the first. The first one seemed to have a mostly abandoned world and nothing but arena PvP to offer for me at a time when there were better PvP focused games out there.
I’m sure GW1 changed and evolved over the years for the better, but originally to me it was awful.
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I think you got it right.
Support literally means you contribute little damage to the group, and are probably a wasted spot.
If you want to support your team, do as much damage as possible and bring one or two utility skills that either grant boons or remove conditions.
And literally everything that is wrong with this games dungeon system is explained in 3 sentences.
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Yes, loot drops scale with your actual level, not your mentored level. You can get level 80 items in any zone as a level 80.
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If we are so worried about gold spammers and what not, why not make a dedicated trial server with the 4 starting zones unlocked and max level of 30. No gold spam because it’s on a trial server anyway, noobs can have map chat, people get to play and get hooked, everyone wins?
Nope, everyone does not win. Many people only pick up trials on MMOs when a friend of theirs already owns the game. Those people won’t have a good experience on a Trail Server because they can’t play the game with their friends.
A very easy fix for this would be allow servers to guest on the trial server, but the trial server cannot guest on other servers. Just throwing that out there as an idea Once the player purchases the game, they can then designate their home server with their friends.
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darkace you make some really good arguments against centaurs, but i still think anet could figure it out!
…or they could just give us mounts and i would be SO happy.
I honestly wouldn’t mind mounts if they include an option to turn off ALL mounts. The mounties would be happy and the rest of us wouldn’t have to deal with 10 horses standing on a TP guy or heart merchant etc.
It would at least be more feasible than centaurs.
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70+ people is your problem. Stop using the timer so much.
Just wanna say, if they don’t want people to use the timers and events, make other fun ways to actually obtain things in the game.
As it stands event farming is one of the best things you can do for cash in game, so make other activities as beneficial!
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They were struggling with Maguuma so they had to add 400 more players to their roster.
xD
Totally agree ><
Steamrolling … what a skill of those guilds xD
I found this amusing. The tears are salty sweet my friends, salty sweet
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Any servers in NA have the temple open?
Yes, would like to know if any NA server has Balth open atm? Thanks
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If we are so worried about gold spammers and what not, why not make a dedicated trial server with the 4 starting zones unlocked and max level of 30. No gold spam because it’s on a trial server anyway, noobs can have map chat, people get to play and get hooked, everyone wins?
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Some people are going to think Charr look good in anything. Others like me can’t play anything seriously other than Humans or Norns. I tried a sylvari, but it was just too earthy for me.
If you don’t like the graphics just play another race I guess is what I’m saying, because I think they look goofy too
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1. Queensdale. Best beginner zone in any game I have seen.
2. Harathi, lots of trees, lots of war
3. Iron Marches. Not sure why, I just loved this zone and was the first higher level zone I fully completed
4. Bloodtide Coast, beautiful beaches and it’s usually empty.
5. Mount Maelstrom, Very cool place.
Honestly I struggled to think of even 5 zones I thoroughly enjoyed, most of them seemed more like an obstacle between myself and my goals.
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Curiousity strikes me, I know that for at least one of the guilds this is their second transfer in several weeks. Is DB concerned about these groups band-wagoning to another server again?
Not really.
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Centaurs are a no go for me personally, we managed to get rid of big stupid wonky mounts in this game, let’s not add character models that replicate that.
I like the idea of Tengu personally, and it seems to fit the best logically as well.
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Thursday a.m. pretty much sums up T3 for the last 2 months. DB owns 95% of the maps, and yet they still have 30+ in EB, with 15+ siege, camping the spawn point. This is what T3 is right now, and is simply sad
You should login around 7-11PM EST, if possible. You’ll see lots of exciting, even matches during that time.
This was true for a while. Now sadly even this is no longer true. Logged into EB at 9pm EST last night and we had the outmanned buff. It used to be as you said, good fights, even numbers on a couple maps, but I think at least for YB people have just given up for now.
Going from the occasional EB que during our prime time to having the outmanned buff every night now, kind of tells the taleWhat you state is sadly true.
Tip for Mags and Kain: Yak’s don’t like their yaks killed (I bet a few of them work for PETA!). If you wish to pick up a good fight, take a camp near their spawn and face their wrath!
PYRO took their EK yesterday, sieged it up, and farmed 40-50 of them for badges for about an hour or so. We only lost it because everyone had to go back to mag BL and defend. It’d be nice if YB and DB didn’t push our BL simultaneously every single night, but such is life.
Hey it’s a two way street. Half of our BL was owned by YB/Mags last night as well. I will say you PYRO guys are pretty dang scary
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Uggg. Wrong game folks. Street Fighter is that way. =>
Check out Mortal Kombat Komplete edition as well!
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ANet should remove all dependence on Thoughness for aggro. If they want to make a “Threat” stat, then let them do it plainly and not overload the meaning of an useful stat.
It’s at the point I’d rather get my thief in all Berserker to remove any trace of Thoughness in my build because it allows me to survive better …
This. I have always felt “threat” should be a seperate stat with percentages, a la Boons or Crit Dmg modifiers.
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Welcome newcomers to Dragonbrand.
There have been many meetings and conversations in the past week between current Dragonbrand guilds and guilds that are moving to our server or thinking about moving. One of the primary reasons Dragonbrand is so attractive to various guild right now is the stability and lack of inter-personal(or inter-guild) conflict within the server.
There are no guilds on Dragonbrand that refuse to operate on a map when another certain guild is present. There are no egos that refuse to operate on a map when other egos are present. There is a level of civility and politeness that is the norm for the server. No guilds lord it over other guilds. Both BP and NNK for example(the largest NA and SEA guilds on Dragonbrand respectively) ask for help, they do not demand it.
We hope all newcomers can set aside whatever egos they might have and follow such traditions. We don’t want chest-thumpers, or forums warriors. We don’t kids that don’t play well with others.
We want stable, mature individuals and guilds who want to help build our community and have fun with us.
So far RE, rB and AGG, have upheld those standards, and we welcome them and anyone else like them to Dragonbrand.
^ This captures the essence of our community so well. Thanks Caliburn!
Agreed, well said Caliburn, thanks
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Welcome to DB, glad to see new faces here and hope to see you new guys on the field soon
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Ok, then maybe I misread it. Sry, I’m not too good with english :P
No problem, was just saying a lot of people are happy to have a patch for WvW and are enjoying it, despite the perceived problems it does have for some people. And I tend to agree with that, we can’t say they are ignoring the WvW crowd anymore, even if maybe they could try a little harder
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and are happy to even get a bone thrown at them from anet.
I was happy with some constructive answer until this line. So, everyone who agrees with ANet is some kind of fanboy or biodrone?
I guess if that’s what you read. It’s not what I wrote though.
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Blobing is happening because skilled played are to good and the not so good players can’t handle them and they use there number to make skilled players get skill lag.
I think game creators wanted to make game more tactical, not no thinking one skill spamming, lagging server and winning only, because they have biger number witch meaning more player can some time use skills and so win the fight because other team has skill lag and get less skills out, because they have less numbers.If you are fan of blobing you need auto target on, auto attack on first skill and run next to commander tag and don’t think leave thinking to commander if you are thinking you probably are to away from commander by that time.
If it’s to hard for you to understand what i am saying i will write it simple W Tab.So to destroy blob is simply let the blobers think and from thinking they will stop blobing and became good players by thinking how to play.
Yes, there is a giant conspiracy by all casuals to blob up and lag everything to death for everyone including themselves. /rolleyes.
I guess it’s a matter of perception. I haven’t had this much fun with a PvP game since shadowbane/daoc era of MMOs personally, but large battles are what get my adrenaline going, arena PvP and even fights bore me to tears, I’d rather be an underdog or top dog fighting off 2 servers.
To each their own I guess is my point, but don’t say they are causing the skill lag on purpose :P that’s A’nets bag of worms.
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Honestly, without any solid aggro mechanics, it makes it hard to tell anything about who’s the best player. I just can’t answer this solidly with mobs bouncing randomly between kitten half the time.
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When they announced WXP ppl cried it will give advantage to players who play more, now ppl cry it doesn’t give advantage lol
Well I mean they have a point. They really should of looked at DAoC’s RA system and made it more similar to that and less similar to some kind of WoW talent tree bullhonkus. Just my opinion though, I know several who like the new wxp and are happy to even get a bone thrown at them from anet.
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Good fights in EB last night everyone, need to get some more yak’s back out here, feel like it’s just us vs Mag the past 2 nights! To that small 5ish man yak team we wiped with about 30 people at 3am EST on the tower… I sorry
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