It’s time to take stock … It’s unreasonable to expect a single change to solve a problem like lacking damage in WvW or suffering through a metaphase with specific or lacking tools. We’ve played enough MMO’s to know that the answer isn’t the one we want to hear.
The leaked change simply turns a useless trait into something useful. Not in all situations mind you, but better than instant meditations, that’s for sure. Even someone who doesn’t give a rat’s behind about PVE can acknowledge that.
If you feel it’s a positive change for PvE, that’s wonderful, as I’m truly glad they’re doing more for the PvE side of the game… it’s much needed.
Keep in mind Monk’s focus scales 40% with healing power now.
What IF we went 20/0/30/15/5 with zerker trinkets, celestial gear, divinity runes and traited meditations. Wouldn’t we get healing, DPS, burst AND tanking all in 1 build?
Dodge healing should be close to 1k, prot and regen from virtues. We get some small sustain from zealous blade. Fury from meditations, about 90%+ crit dmg…
Just some small brain storming but I can see this opens up some possibilities.
Fury isn’t an offensive buff man. Didn’t you know?
Keep in mind Monk’s focus scales 40% with healing power now.
What IF we went 20/0/30/15/5 with zerker trinkets, celestial gear, divinity runes and traited meditations. Wouldn’t we get healing, DPS, burst AND tanking all in 1 build?
Dodge healing should be close to 1k, prot and regen from virtues. We get some small sustain from zealous blade. Fury from meditations, about 90%+ crit dmg…
Just some small brain storming but I can see this opens up some possibilities.
Fury isn’t an offensive buff man. Didn’t you know?
They don’t cater to WvW because the truth of the matter is they put all thier money into sPvP / PvE and their Technology cannot handle WvW…
It’s a sad fact.
Those chose wrong, w/o doing their homework. They didn’t even know what they had, they still don’t… they’re soo kitten on promoting Living World and eSport, that they can’t see what they have in front of them…
Did you know that some people who played DAOC never cancelled thier monthly subscription until it was done for them, even though they stopped playing 10+yrs ago?
You guys should split this thread into a pvp/pve thread. Right now I think most of the issues are that you are mixing the two up. Do that and I think most of the arguments will disappear.
Those patch notes did nothing of the sort… Fury is not a buff to offense, it’s just another Boon, which does nothing to the underlining dps function of the class, as boons are stripped.
That paragraph is a textbook version of support class and based on that concept, it makes sense to me that the devs are making the changes I’m reading about. I don’t really get what the problem is here, other than your misconceptions of how the devs should be developing the Guardians class.
It helps to remove your chin form their nuts when trying to be objective Obtena.
Protect & Smite.
Dual Function of a class.
Very Simple.
I’ll try to slowly write it out so you can follow the arguement:
We are leaning heavy on the support. We could use more offense.
We are already 1 of the best support classes in the game: Ele is probably the second.
We don’t need ~more~ support.
Well, that’s a perception issue … players have to recognize the concept of the class. Fundamentally, it’s support and the devs are going to push that as long as they think that’s what they want the class to do. It’s a natural progression.
“Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory.”
No where in this quote does it say we are fundamentally a support class.
It says we protect and smite.
Currently, we’re all protect.
Don’t tell me it’s a “perspective” issue.
Yeah by reading that description it gives the idea that guardian has a dual function. They can smite while at the same time supporting allies. For example we do have some skills that smite/hinder enemies while supporting allies. Ray of judgment comes to mind, it has a dual function.
However when you look at most of the other guardian skills, that theme tends vanishes leaving the class with primary support.
This patch would be a perfect time for them to do the OPPOSITE of what they’re doing to every other class…. buff our offense, as we’re already one of the (if not ~the~) best defensive class.
I see some steps in right direction (Meditation istant as baseline with fury on a 20 pts investiment sounds awesome), but there are still improvements needed.
I’m sorry, but the only worthwhile mediation that wasn’t instant was Smite Conditon… and even then, it’s just a timing issue and most burst builds were running Focus, which you had a 3-4s time on that anyhow….
Merciful Intervention is just HORRIBLE. It’s so unreliable you have no idea where you’re going to end up or whom you’re healing,.
We are already 1 of the best support classes in the game: Ele is probably the second.
We don’t need ~more~ support.
Well, that’s a perception issue … players have to recognize the concept of the class. Fundamentally, it’s support and the devs are going to push that as long as they think that’s what they want the class to do. It’s a natural progression.
“Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory.”
No where in this quote does it say we are fundamentally a support class.
Symbols for Guardians needs to be adressed. To trait them its 55 Points in two different trees.
Considering its one symbol per weapons (4 symbols) the investment is just to heavy to even bother using more than one symbol trait.
Merge all symbol traits in honor and move empowering might and elusive Power to zeal.
Or move all symbols to the staff and:
Give the healing effect and aoe damage of the orb to the third step of the hammer chain
Give empower to mace
Give line of warding to GS
I would prefer all symbols on the staff which also would give Guardians a valid ranged damage option in wvw. Someything we actually lack compared to the other professions in the game. And no scepter is only valid for duels/small groups and pve.
And for the hundred time, fix the broken buff you get from symbol of swiftness.
If you haven’t gotten the hint yet Devs… Zeal Line.
It’s amazing to think that people think we need more condi removal and a ‘fix’ to our meditation line over this simple fact:
No offensive guardian traits into zeal.
This patch is going to do very little to us unless they address the underlining problem w/ the Guardian Class: It has too much support and sacrifices too much sustain to go DPS.
Example of where we should be closer to: Condi (Bleeds, not perplexity) Warrior – great sustain, great dmg.
I don’t understand the rage. They aren’t making our damage ability or options any worse, they just aren’t making them any better. They will address the other lines when they get to it. These things are done in waves. They won’t change everything at once.
By not making them any better and the focus of the entire “balance update” is around increasing “Support” (ie, sustain), what do you thinks going to happen to our lack luster dmg?
Again after again, the devs are not directly nerfing us.
They are just ~buffing~ everyone else, which in turn, nerf’s us.
As for the perception issue of the class Obtena, GW2 clearly laid out that they will not pigeon hole people into specific roles (no holy trinity)…
The “big” issues on Thief Stealth are honestly minor:
TBH, hitting an opponent’s Block should de-stealth you. If only because you have physically contacted their body. Who wouldn’t notice being struck?
Assuming full “Troll-Mode”: it’s too easy to chain Stealth abilities. However, lowering that ability goes back to my mention of why it’s set that way on Thieves. Stealth and Evasion are the twin pillars of Thief defense. We can’t honestly “nerf” one without doing something positive to the other.
As many posters have mentioned in past threads of this nature, this is probably why the GW1 Assassin focused on movement, as opposed to “Ninja-Vanish!” abilities. Too hard to balance multiple Stealth routines and keep it fair for both Stealth-User and Stealth-Victim.
Also Note, the 150 Toughness isn’t added into the stats… so it’s really 3230 Armor
I cannot figure out how to get 22k Health w/ this… as for whatever reason, I LOVE having 22k health.. dunno why, i just do…. Maybe cuz w/ stacks it gives me 24.5k health… a nice number.
2750 armour provides 33.33% direct damage mitigation, a lot of people consider it a waste taking toughness higher than that.
But protection buff does that too reduces damage by 33.33%, my ele uses 2 armour of earths (1 utility, 1 traited) instead of bothering with toughness. Rarely dies and once went straight through a 100 strong zerg (on her own) and survived.
Agreed I have re-tooled most of my toons to hover around 2800, like you said the difference is really negligible over that.
Yes, but the point I think he’s trying to make is that Armor is a direct negation to power based on the forumula…. and what “we’re” finding is that it’s not the case.
The fact that a zerker thief/mesmer/ele/warrior can still basically kill you in 1-2 combo’s even w/ such high Armor.
EDIT: To the OP – ARmor alone isn’t going to do it. the Damage aspect has too many multiples. You need to make sure your targets have Weakness and Chill and that you have Protection, in order to get on even playing grounds.
Create a new Meta w/o giving all the classes the tools to function in it?
SO fk’n frustrating.
I’m am completely tired of having to run MASS CONDI REMOVAL and CRAPTASTIC DPS, just to survive the typicall encounter: Mesmer, Mesmer, Thief, Thief, Thief, Perplexity Engi, Perplexity Engi, Warrior Warrior Warrior…..
we’re supposed to take it up the kitten while we kite around 4-6 thirsty Phantasm Messmers, Perplexity Engis’, D/P Thieves and BM Rangers…. and hopefully, waste enough time to where your group (Phantasm Messmers, Perplexity Engis’, D/P Thieves and BM Ranger) can burn them down.
Take it like a man…. cuz apparently that’s what Anet intended for us!!
No lube bro… no lube.
PS [EDIT]: The new meta change has increased my kiting ability 10+. I can target ambient’s like a champ!
2.5k Health