Guild Wars 2

subclavian.5839:

Kirschwasser.3972:

And I’m saying that I personally feel I do notice it when fights are dragging on for way longer than usual.

It wouldn’t be such a problem if bosses weren’t such atrocious HP sponges.

No you don’t. You think you do, and assign the blame to the one PVT pug on your party.

Let’s run the numbers. Say for example a typical 12-min dungeon run. Now usually half the time will be spent running from place A to place B, skipping through cut scenes, dodging rolling stones/standing on pillars or whatever puzzle the dungeon has. All this has nothing to do with PVT armor. So you spend around 6 mins in a typical 12-min run actually fighting, where DPS makes a difference.

Then let’s say the PVT guy does half damage of your typical full-zerker (for those of you who think PVT can’t even do half damage, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Best-PvE-tank-bunker-build/first#post2508972 ), and that’s being very stringent. Since you have 5 members on a party, that constitutes a 10% drop in DPS. 6 min = 360 sec. 360 divided by 9/10 is 400. So instead of finishing a run in 12 mins, you finish it in 12 min 40 sec, a 5.3% increase in time spent.

If you’re running dungeons religiously 4 hrs a day like a second job, you end up wasting 12 min per day because you took on a PVT pug. Bathroom breaks take longer than that. The time you spend posting wall-of-texts on zerker elitism in this thread takes longer than that. Are you seriously suggesting your time is so precious that taking 12 extra mins per day is going to kill you? Do you have to be at the gym in 26 mins? If time is so precious to you, shouldn’t you not spend 4 hours a day playing video games?

All those anecdotes cited by zerker fanboys about how a 12 min run dragged into 30~40 mins because one guy had the gall to wear PVT are simply lies. No gear has that much effect in the game, unless you’re constantly dying and requiring others to spend time rezzing you. Which you will, if you’re a noob wearing zerker because everyone on the boards say you should.

Yes, but what you left out is that 40s = massive ego increase, which is priceless to mindless neanderthals.

AtlasUnbound.1082:

Just a comment on the Guardian hammer…Have you seen the long animation for that last hit? The only way to get the most out of it is to hit a target with it AND an ally as well. Only useful for gate smashing. (Again you are using weapons skills but I will indulge you. The warrior is doing all this with no weapon skills and still out healing you.)

I’ve come to the conclusion you have absolutely no idea how a guardian is played, seeing as you misquoted almost every skill and really just, plain and simply, either don’t understand the mechanics of the class or just haven’t figured it out yet….

On top of that, you do not understand the overall game mechanics of “sources”: Boons Vs. Direct.

G’luck to you, as I truly do not have time to show you the way and clearly, this class is not for you.

Best wishes.

Blasino.3128:

^ Here is akamon the pro guardian right here utilizing a bubble.

haha, nice one!

AtlasUnbound.1082:

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Ironically the Warrior is still seeming to do the Guardian’s job better.

This all did star with an offensive warrior build being better at supporting than a support guardian build.

Then he respec’d for it and my jaw hit the keyboard is awe.

I don’t want you to get the idea that these were small differences that made me think, “That seems to be better”

This was an OUTRAGEOUS difference.
These shouts as I tested again last night are healing for around 2400 HP EACH, with a 20 Second cool down using my build.
That’s healing me AND all nearby allies.
Also buffing which negates most conditions.

In order to stack Shouts on a Guardian to change Conditions into Boons. You would almost HAVE to stack 3 shouts because the cool downs are 30-35 seconds on the SHORTEST CD shouts.

So then you have to look at this. The good defensive abilities have such long cool downs compared to the offensive for the guardian.

Sanctuary 180 Seconds
Hallowed Ground 80 Seconds

What you have not experienced is the following:

- Tome of Courge – 1s casts healing for 1800-2300 for 20s.
- Empower – 16s Cooldown, heals for 3.1k and stakcs 12 might.
- VoR – ticks for 170+
- Stability (Stand your Ground – Stun Break)
- Wall of Reflection
- Sanctuary (or HTL – 35s colldown, heals for 2800 over 7s).
- 80% Swiftness uptime + Light Field for Conditon Removal
- 2 – 2.5k Ranged AoE heal every 8s.
- 1.25-2k Dodge Roll Healing every 6s (dont’ even get me started w/ Sigil of Stamina… i’m freak’n yoda w/ this)
- Point Control – LoW
- 150 Toughness to 5 people

That’s just w/ the Staff, in ONE SPEC (0/0/30/30/10), and doesn’t encroach on anyone’s Regen…. pure healing and damage negation..

How a Guardian “Supports” thier team is incredibly different: The warrior can’t even come close to doing this

You can check out many of my video’s on the Hammer/Support section… from small roaming group to zerg roaming/open field, to tower zerg defense.

Having said all that… this does NOT mean that there aren’t issues w/ the class. This is the spec the devs’ intended guardians to play in larger scale battles.. and for the most part, it is the ~only~ spec to play because it is just soooo darn over the top that anything else is over-shadowed completely….

though I do love my hammer – perma light field + protection w/ symbols healing, shout build…. which the warrior cannot do… either. /grin

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUQQNAsdRlUgiDXEyKEf4ESmiCMBxUURw31jEiiYIA-jkyAYMBRqBA9JiZvhsmAjYFsIasqaioaVDmNnIq2lgJDAzCA-w

That’s a fun group build for 3-5 person roaming.

Run w/ a +healing weapon and then swap it out for a +might on crit.

Hadan.2841:

Oh u referring to dat 4v15 we did outside SM yesterday of GH/GF. Yea u can post tht if u want. I walk talking about the part where we were starting to understand why u do the things you do and seek so much attention on a game. Dw tho as I said your secret is safe with me my friend

You mean the 7vs10 and you tower-hugging w/ 2 Cannons, a Ballista and a fully upgraded guard entourage w/ you?

Classy…

But then again, this is what you need in order to be on the same playing field.

It’s ok, I feel you…. everyone has to start somewhere.

=]

Obtena.7952:

You know what the best part is …

Even if someone was wearing PVT gear in a dungeon vs. something else, you wouldn’t even notice it. So much for the macho elitism.

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First you need to decide: Tanky in what instance?

Tanky is Zerg vs Zerg?

Tanky in Zerg Bust’n small spec op groups?

Tanky in small group roaming

Tanky is solo play?

Very different builds.

^^ Makes sense to me.

Zeal – Offensive 2h’s and Symbols
Rad – Offensive 1h’s / Signets
Valor – Med’s / AH
Honor – Healing / Symbols
Virtues – Shouts (boons) / Virtues

Clearly they tried.

Dand.8231:

Daecollo.9578:

If you offer something, offer a way to improve the skill, not down my way.

First I offered some advice on improving the skill, passive low-key retal.

Then I (not-so) subtly offered you some advice about you going wild with a new buff-warrior thread every other day.

What else do you want here? Fashion advice? Lime green mixed with royal purple. Financial advice? Pyramid Shemes and risky hedge funds. An MVP this upcoming season? Mark Sanchez, of course. Dating advice? Settle for someone with a pulse.

Aaaand I’m all out of sarcasm for today

LOL

Daecollo has horrible ideas and really can’t be taken seriously until he realizes just how his “buffs” are so far from reality and what they would do to the game would negitively impact it to such an extent that there would be 1 class to rule them all.

Relentliss.2170:

Its hard to say play to your strengths when the class is pretty average at almost everything.

We have to spec way deep into both gear and traits to do anything even remotely well.

About the only thing I feel the Best at is providing defense for my team mates, but it comes at a pretty big cost and is most noticeable in dungeons. And it is a YAWN playstyle that few people really enjoy.

We are not “average at almost everything”….

Not sure where you’re getting that from. If it’s from personal experience, then I would suggest rummaging through the forum and finding another build that better suits ~your~ play-style.

Guardians are very good at a couple of things and not so hot at the others.

ImagoX.4718:

Amins.3710:

Why would I care if more pve’rs come into wvw?

And you think I don’t have 1000+ support tokens still in my bag? What a fk’n joke.

My point, since you obviously mis-read what I said, was that the devs obviously DO think WvW is important and are actively trying to pull people into that area of the game by barraging players like me (who are largely uninterested in the entire concept of “beating” another human being) with reward items that can ONLY be used in PvP/WvW.

If they’re currently adding more staff to build PvE content (which seems like a valid conclusion, seeing as how they are releasing PvE content so frequently), it’s for one reason only: because the devs are looking at user behavior data that leads them to the conclusion that more players want PvE content than anything else.

Successful software companies remain profitable by creating products that users will actually… well, USE. Not because they “dislike” any particular sub-set of customers. If more people start playing WvW, then they’ll be more motivated to develop additional rewards for that type of play as well…

I would have never have guessed that companies have customer support advocacy departments….

What will they think of next….

Your comments have nothing to do w/ their claim to be the next best PvP Game.

Bash.7291:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Bash.7291:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Amins.3710:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Bottom line: Sustain is worth nothing without mitigation.

And because a Bunker Guardian can really kill so much more effectively than a Bunker Warrior.

Solid Argument right there.

It’s called “Bunker” for a reason. Every class can trait one way and gear another.

Now you’re just spit’n out some ridiculous stuff.

Maybe the issue is you’re part of the 90%.

So you’re telling me that Chris’s healway build is not a bunker build and that’s why he can kill 1vX. Never have I seen a warrior video of yours. Walk on the other side of the line first and tell me how warriors are.

Guardians also have access to burning damage which procs every 5 attacks. Traits that procs burning and heavy mitigation of damage which helps their EHP go up dramatically. Blinds, Aegis, Blocks, Virtues, protection, access to nearly perma vigor, heal on dodge, the list goes on. You tell me who can bunker better.

I’m the 90% of the warriors that know that bunkering won’t do anything but delay the inevitable. I’m not some buffbot that has to carry banners around and provide little to no damage for the team and lie to myself that I’m making a great contribution. No burst healing, no crazy boon uptime on protection, might, swiftness, stability, or retaliation. Sure, warriors have some more sustain now but it doesn’t mean jack if you can’t reduce damage taken. Warriors are kill or be killed. That doesn’t mean they are 100derp builds.

My opinion is you have no clue what you’re talking about unless you’ve played a warrior. Bunker wise, guardian wins hands down vs a bunker warrior. I’ve spent quite a bit of time and money on this game trying different builds, gear layouts, read a lot of forum posts on Bash, Brutaly, Chris, Obtena, TehSanny, Matale and many more which I always look closely at and bounce ideas off of.

I like to think I have a little idea of what I am talking about but I respect it’s your opinion.

To be fair, Chris’s build relies almost exclusively on retaliation. all you have to do is choose not to fight him and its an auto draw. Condition warriors can have decent sustain, which honestly ends up about the same as bunker guards, the issue is that while the meta is conditions and everyone is running over the top condition removal to counter it, retaliation has no true counter, other then not hitting people.

That’s true and I failed to mention that. Warriors do lack retaliation. We have a trait that we get at 30 Defense called Spiked Armor but it’s 5 seconds on a 15 cd. Without Quick Breathing + Warhorn we don’t have much else to go for. I agree after watching Oozo’s video and it’s something I am taking great interest in researching to see how I can effectively create a condition bunker warrior. I just wish S+S/LB had more access to different conditions besides burning, bleeding, and torment or rather quick sources to keep the pressure to heavy condition cleansing classes.

How do you even attempt to kill a Healway guardian? They cleanse conditions, they carry protection, retal, and regen for direct damage dealers. You’d have to go GC and hope to hit him when his boons are down or kite him but he has such high uptime on boons which makes it extremely difficult. This is from a warrior’s perspective of course. I am sure it’s a different story with a necro or mesmer.

How to kill a healway? Roll Mesmer/boon steal Thief and just keep ripping boons. Warriors might be able to do it with the right condition build, and possibly out healing the retaliation ticks. As a guardian I gave up, with as many multi hit attack burst skills we have, and the only condition we have being burn, it is pretty much impossible to deal with them. Luckily chris is in my guild, so I don’t have to personally deal with him unless he jumps into the sPvP server im in.

I almost suggested the standard stun spec warrior, then realized that all skills that give retaliation outside of light field combos are instant and usable while stunned >.>

Big heavy Single Blows and lots of CC.

Anything that’s channeled and you’re going to get eaten up.

ImagoX.4718:

Amins.3710:

2) Preaching a player vs player focused game: Clearly it is not as they just hired 4x’s thier current “Living World” (PVE) development team while WvW / PvP only see updates every 2-3 months (where pve see’s full content + updates every month, sometimes twice).

I’m sure A-net is adding head count to the areas seeing the most player traffic, in this case, PvE (it’s why I play GW2 – I’ve only played WvW 2 or 3 times since launch, and NEVER ONCE played PvP).

As a PvP player, you should be thanking the devs for obviously doing everything they can to tempt players into the PvP/WvW areas – I mean, EVERY ONE of the A-net Point reward chests I just got in the last update was crammed with PvP weapon and armor skins, WvW reward tokens, blueprints, and other gear clearly intended to tempt players like me into the WvW/PvP area. Quite honestly it was kitten ing me off, until I realized that they were just trying to make sure more players got to see the content they designed for that area.

Why would I care if more pve’rs come into wvw?

And you think I don’t have 1000+ support tokens still in my bag? What a fk’n joke.

Kwll.1468:

Amins.3710:

Let’s put some things to rest.

- Guardian is not the best or even close to the best bunker in the game.

- Guardians are crippled in the mobility sector, as we are forced to go GS/Sword + JI. (IF that playstyle suits what you’re trying to do, you’re not crippled at all: Period. It has a ton of mobility, but you have to take those 2 weapons… at a cost of DPS (due to sword)… sword really needs a stun or imob (signets) ~or~ chill/cripple (we dont’ have) to become effective).

- Guardians are hands down the best point control / Group Damage NEGATION class in the game: Staff/Hammer + Wall + Sanct + Shield(s). PERIOD>

- Guardians have the best Group Stability in game.

- Guardian TOP Burst rotation is Gimmicky, but very good when pulled off.

- Guardian TOP Burst falls off w/ larger group vs group as splash/aoe dmg kills Focus and our low HP pool.

- Guardian Sustain is good.

- Guardian Group Healing is great.

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Guardians were the poster child for Balance and now that most classes have been balanced they are feeling ‘weak’, as we could previously take less survivability and add more DPS and still be ok… this is becoming less and less due to our significantly LOW HP pool as other classes get buffed to “our” standard…
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The cycle will repeat.

Guardian’s are the best bunkers in the game. Look at the top tpvp teams and there bunker is a guardian. When you type something like they aren’t it basically invalidates everything else you wrote because most knowledgeable players will stop reading after that.

Just because they run a guardian does not mean its ‘the best’ bunker. It’s the class that suits their style the most.

I thought that would have been evident.

Guardians are not the best bunker.

Let’s put some things to rest.

- Guardian is not the best or even close to the best bunker in the game.

- Guardians are crippled in the mobility sector, as we are forced to go GS/Sword + JI. (IF that playstyle suits what you’re trying to do, you’re not crippled at all: Period. It has a ton of mobility, but you have to take those 2 weapons… at a cost of DPS (due to sword)… sword really needs a stun or imob (signets) ~or~ chill/cripple (we dont’ have) to become effective).

- Guardians are hands down the best point control / Group Damage NEGATION class in the game: Staff/Hammer + Wall + Sanct + Shield(s). PERIOD>

- Guardians have the best Group Stability in game.

- Guardian TOP Burst rotation is Gimmicky, but very good when pulled off.

- Guardian TOP Burst falls off w/ larger group vs group as splash/aoe dmg kills Focus and our low HP pool.

- Guardian Sustain is good.

- Guardian Group Healing is great.

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Guardians were the poster child for Balance and now that most classes have been balanced they are feeling ‘weak’, as we could previously take less survivability and add more DPS and still be ok… this is becoming less and less due to our significantly LOW HP pool as other classes get buffed to “our” standard…
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The cycle will repeat.

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Amins.3710:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Bottom line: Sustain is worth nothing without mitigation.

And because a Bunker Guardian can really kill so much more effectively than a Bunker Warrior.

Solid Argument right there.

It’s called “Bunker” for a reason. Every class can trait one way and gear another.

Now you’re just spit’n out some ridiculous stuff.

Maybe the issue is you’re part of the 90%.

So you’re telling me that Chris’s healway build is not a bunker build and that’s why he can kill 1vX. Never have I seen a warrior video of yours. Walk on the other side of the line first and tell me how warriors are.

Guardians also have access to burning damage which procs every 5 attacks. Traits that procs burning and heavy mitigation of damage which helps their EHP go up dramatically. Blinds, Aegis, Blocks, Virtues, protection, access to nearly perma vigor, heal on dodge, the list goes on. You tell me who can bunker better.

I’m the 90% of the warriors that know that bunkering won’t do anything but delay the inevitable. I’m not some buffbot that has to carry banners around and provide little to no damage for the team and lie to myself that I’m making a great contribution. No burst healing, no crazy boon uptime on protection, might, swiftness, stability, or retaliation. Sure, warriors have some more sustain now but it doesn’t mean jack if you can’t reduce damage taken. Warriors are kill or be killed. That doesn’t mean they are 100derp builds.

My opinion is you have no clue what you’re talking about unless you’ve played a warrior. Bunker wise, guardian wins hands down vs a bunker warrior. I’ve spent quite a bit of time and money on this game trying different builds, gear layouts, read a lot of forum posts on Bash, Brutaly, Chris, Obtena, TehSanny, Matale and many more which I always look closely at and bounce ideas off of.

I like to think I have a little idea of what I am talking about but I respect it’s your opinion.

You’re entitled to your opinion. Enjoy being that 90%.

Basically sums it up.

Living World is exclusionary.

Living World only promotes more PvE.

Living World just saw a buff w/ 3x’s the employee’s dedicated to it.

Living World is just LAME.

20s off waypoints. YIPPY!

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Amins.3710:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

madgod.7421:

I would love to see an ‘easier’ form of mobility for guardians (maybe a signet w/25% inc. speed like other classes get).

That said, Im fine not having it simply because of what we get in exchange — speed plus great gap closers. I run Retreat/SYG/SY with soldier runes. 2 out of those 3 give me swiftness, and every time I use them I cleanse conditions. If I need to bail – pop retreat, instant swiftness, plus aegis to cover my skritten on the way out the door.

Need to catch a mesmer on the run? Pop retreat/SY then blink/leap to him — whats more, with the right setup that blink/leap will not only stack burning, but also blind and vulnerability on him, not mention giving me a few stacks of might while instantly increasing my damage against him by a good 30%

We were design to stand, fight and if necessary, hunt down and finish what they start. We are strong, we are fast, we are Guardians!

… what you are saying you want to play is a warrior. To give you an idea of the class they have better sustain than guardians… but they don’t really bring as many group buffs as a guardian if they are speced that way.

Not completely true.

Warriors have worse sustain than guardians. They do have better CC and slightly better escapes due to being less tanky than guardians and they only bring most offensive boons which a guardian lacks. FGJ + banners is pretty solid on the offense side.

My only suggestion to the OP is to understand the limitations to the class and realize guardians are in a great place right now outside of bugs and useless traits that every class has. Mobility is your weakness and you have some area denial and light CC but you make up for it with being able to survive quite a bit of everything.

Warrior sustain is fine now. The problem w/ 90% of the people who play the class think that +healing is the worst stat ever… the other 10%, IE the KNOWLEDABLE ONES, have 550-750 healing built in somewhere and run Signet + 4 Dwayna runes.

They get a regen proc and they’re sitting at over 650+ healing per second. Add in a shout and some Omnom + Sigil of Blood and they’re doing JUST fine.

But again, that’s only 10% of the playerbase who understands sustain.

So let me confirm. You think that a 5% proc rate on dwayna is worth it? Even if we add that to healing signet + omnomberry pies + sigil of blood + Adrenal Health, is that good enough sustain at a cost to our dps output? Without protection or some form of active damage mitigation, a measly <1000 HP/s isn’t going to keep warriors alive. If warrior had protection + regen then we might see some differences. A build referring to the information you gave me would require a decent crit chance, investment in to cleric/magi gear and rest berserker to maintain a semi effective output of damage. Regardless, until warriors get some form of damage mitigation, sustain on a warrior is not as effective in comparison to a guardian. Now if you are referring to bunker warriors well then you probably got that right except they hit like wet noodles. A guardian can gear offensively but trait defensively and see some pretty good results.

Bottom line, even if we had 1000 HP/s + 2k shout heals, we would still need to rely on another class to kill for us since we have moved away from dps to a poor tank/bunker support class which is bad at support anyway. Warriors complain they need protection to reach the same potential of guardians and I believe they shouldn’t homogenize the class by adding this boon so the playstyles can still be different. Active CC in the form of dazes or more smaller blocks is the key for warrior’s mitigation.

Bottom line: Sustain is worth nothing without mitigation.

And because a Bunker Guardian can really kill so much more effectively than a Bunker Warrior.

Solid Argument right there.

It’s called “Bunker” for a reason. Every class can trait one way and gear another.

Now you’re just spit’n out some ridiculous stuff.

Maybe the issue is you’re part of the 90%.

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

madgod.7421:

I would love to see an ‘easier’ form of mobility for guardians (maybe a signet w/25% inc. speed like other classes get).

That said, Im fine not having it simply because of what we get in exchange — speed plus great gap closers. I run Retreat/SYG/SY with soldier runes. 2 out of those 3 give me swiftness, and every time I use them I cleanse conditions. If I need to bail – pop retreat, instant swiftness, plus aegis to cover my skritten on the way out the door.

Need to catch a mesmer on the run? Pop retreat/SY then blink/leap to him — whats more, with the right setup that blink/leap will not only stack burning, but also blind and vulnerability on him, not mention giving me a few stacks of might while instantly increasing my damage against him by a good 30%

We were design to stand, fight and if necessary, hunt down and finish what they start. We are strong, we are fast, we are Guardians!

… what you are saying you want to play is a warrior. To give you an idea of the class they have better sustain than guardians… but they don’t really bring as many group buffs as a guardian if they are speced that way.

Not completely true.

Warriors have worse sustain than guardians. They do have better CC and slightly better escapes due to being less tanky than guardians and they only bring most offensive boons which a guardian lacks. FGJ + banners is pretty solid on the offense side.

My only suggestion to the OP is to understand the limitations to the class and realize guardians are in a great place right now outside of bugs and useless traits that every class has. Mobility is your weakness and you have some area denial and light CC but you make up for it with being able to survive quite a bit of everything.

Warrior sustain is fine now. The problem w/ 90% of the people who play the class think that +healing is the worst stat ever… the other 10%, IE the KNOWLEDABLE ONES, have 550-750 healing built in somewhere and run Signet + 4 Dwayna runes.

They get a regen proc and they’re sitting at over 650+ healing per second. Add in a shout and some Omnom + Sigil of Blood and they’re doing JUST fine.

But again, that’s only 10% of the playerbase who understands sustain.

foofad.5162:

That’s a little extreme. What do you take issue with?

1) Skill Lag. There is ~zero~ reason for this in today’s environment.

2) Preaching a player vs player focused game: Clearly it is not as they just hired 4x’s thier current “Living World” (PVE) development team while WvW / PvP only see updates every 2-3 months (where pve see’s full content + updates every month, sometimes twice).

3) Uselessness of traits, among ALL classes, as “fillers” to make the appearance of diversity among builds…. where we all know this is not the case.

4) Inability to bring the same content into WvW: Legendaries, titles, progress…. etc. Contrary to belief, there has to be some kind of non-useless carrot.

5) Uselessness of the items we recieve in WvW… badges… really? do I REALLY need 4,000 badges sitting in my bank?

6) Certain classes are so overly broken… luckily the meta doesn’t even grasp it yet, because once they do, group wvw is going to be ridiculously lopsided w/ just a select few classes….

Guardian Specific:

1) The fact that IF you truely want to go out and roam (solo) when there is any decent population on the opposing servers you either 1) have to equip GS + S/F w/ JI and then either Centaur Runes/SY/Retreat for any kind of swiftness. ON top of that, we have ZERO “snaring” ability…. take into consideration every other class does not have to spec like this just to go out and roam (minus Necro, they’re still as horrible at it as us); Or 2) eat it when 3+ see you, eat it when 2 players of equal skill see it, eat it if you’re not tower hugging.

2) Lack of any reliably applicable Chill/Cripple if you did want to deviate from scenario #1 above.

3) Pigeon holed into 2 tree’s unless you run scenario 1 above… if you’re not tanking up, you have to have mobility/escapability… other classes ~still~ have this one attribute built into 90% of their weapons, not just 2 (GS / S).

4) Our Burst DPS is a very Gimmicky build and severely telegraphed.

….. Just to name a few issues. The list is ENORMOUS.

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension.

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

So to you that’s just implying… and talking about thief in the thief forums has only to do with stealth… I see…

When I state in a previous statement about stealth, for which you replied to…

I suggest learning to keep things in context.

What’s go’n on w/ these kids these days… our educational system is failing.

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Part where you at the very least imply thieves are op in bold.

I use PP and toolkit while roaming. Only aoe-like stuff with that set is blowtorch, box of nails, and glue shot. Aoe isn’t really needed. You just need to know how to counter a thief. If you do have aoe and you’re using it blindly you’re doing it wrong.

At the very MOST, it implies that they were OP out of Beta. Please refer to my plea about comprehension. Honestly, when you’re trying to discredit someone’s argument, picking and choosing the second half of the sentences while negating the premise for which it stands on…. lol

Again, this isn’t about how you defeat a thief.

This is about Stealth. I must refer to my previous plea… yet again.

Shemsu.8721:

Amins.3710:

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

Yeah blindly aoe? Or you could you know think strategically, I know that’s a stretch for a guardian used to facerolling everything though

Right, you must mean strategically aoe’n. I get where you’re coming from… BRILLIANT.

Aberrant.6749:

Amins.3710:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

…And yet they get easily countered in this game. Eng and Mes must be godmode to you if you think thief is OP.

Blindly AOE’n is an incredibly effective counter. YOu’re absolutely right.

It’s also, the single most incredibly STUPID and forced mechanic on everyone by a craptastic stealth design by the devs’.

And I didn’t say Thieves are OP. A little tiny, teeny wee bit of something that resembles reading comprehension, would be appreciated… but not really expected, i guess.

Stay on track there son, we’re still talking about stealth.

I’ve lost most of my faith in Anet being able to fix any of their blaring issues that have been present since Beta.

I’m 5% from claiming GW2 a purely PVE game and moving on.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Berengar.6951:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Caltrops + Uncatchable + heavy condition focus will melt any guardian.

Not sure if serious

Guardians have some of the best condition removal in the game.

So people say, yet I’ve never lost a fight to one with my Condi build. When you can reapply bleeding the moment they remove it, condition removal only makes their death slower. They’re still taking damage at a consistent rate.

You’re hilarious.

If this escapes you, you should really re-visit your previous postings.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Amins.3710:

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nobody’s going to give you credibility when all of your past posts either complain about how “broken” stealth is or are simply troll posts. Stealth is an integral part of thief survivability, and if you think thieves are “OP” because of stealth I ask you to play a thief, grow some chest hair and stop your whining. Only then will you learn how to counter a thief.

Played thief enough in sPvP to know the class. Not my style.

Knew it was garbage in Beta and like most games that come out from beta, thieves tend to be the single most OP class (ie, anyone who has been around the block for the last 15+ years) …. this game didn’t disappoint.

The stated fact that the devs seem to believe that aoe’n blindly is how you kill stealthed players, not just thieves, is credit enough as to how broken stealth is.

Stealth and Not coming out of stealth when the player blocks…

Broken. Complete and utter trash and the dev who created this ability has gained the title of “Ultimate Troll” for being able to implement this mechanic w/o ever being tested.

Kudos to u sir.

Clumsy.6257:

Star Ace.5207:

Clumsy.6257:

foofad.5162:

Woah there. Nobody deserves a kick for play style. Abuse and harassment, sure. But not play style.

That aside, when gearing with any kind of damage in mind always make sure that you have some kind of crit damage gear in your shoulders, gloves, and boots as well as your accessories. You get the most efficient crit damage per stat points that way. PVT gear is not horrible, damage wise – it has the highest power potential out of any stat combo when used with sharpening stones. If you are going to mix and match, I’ do Berserker amulet, Soldier rings, Berserker accessories with Soldier helm, chest, and legs and Berserker shoulder, gloves and boots. That will yield the most efficient stat point usage. You’ll be able to trait in whatever direction you want, offensively or defensively.

If you’re exclusively doing PvE, pack on as many damage multipliers as you can. Fiery Wrath, Radiant Power, Elusive Power, Force sigils, etc will boost your damage considerably.

kicking for play style is wrong (to an extent) but wasting. Other peoples time warrants a kick every time

But you don’t get to decide if another person is wasting your time based on his/her gear. You simply can’t know just because of that-you are ASSUMING he/she will waste your time, much like people make unfair real-life assumptions based on individual preferences, backgrounds, etc. Someone may very well “waste your time” with the “right” gear (according to you.)

your right they may, thats why when my guilds premades need a pug we look at achievement points as well, double filter keeps the noobs out

True Scrubs only think they need to filter scrubs.

Mafuyu.9104:

Gorefiend.9675:

Mafuyu.9104:

Here you go
Yes, we totally run away from everyone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6550nm_77uk

Haha get crushed all night then finally when you can pull 2x minimum our numbers you step up. I don’t think there is a guild out there worse than [WFD]. True bads in that one.

ps: All aboard the Borlis Express. Next stop tier 2, CHOO CHOOOOOOO

stares at the video at 10:30 oh wow yeah we are soo not outmanned stares at 24:10 yep totally

Do you really expect people to watch 46 min’s of your video?

Please learn 2 edit.

Most people dont’ watch more than 3 min.

Thief stealth mechanics are broken.

End of story.

Anet has their head so far up it that they cannot fix the problem and it’s too rooted into the theif profession that even if they did/could, it would decimate the class w/o restructuring it completely.

Broken class for broken people who like broken ezmode things.

Nope, just get bored w/ the kittenty stealth mechanics.

There is ZERO reason to run anything other than a Thief when you’re alone or in a small group, when faced w/ servers that zerg around or have high populations.

Maybe a Mesmer.

Stealth is just too good.

Anet’ has their head so far up it, that they cannot fix the problem w/ that mechanic.

You want something that’s unfair…

kittenING thieves not de-stealthing on Block.

THAT is kittenING UNFAIR.

Anet, get your head out of your kittening kitten .

Yeah, unfortunately I don’t visit our server website as much as I should.

I’ll do better. GF will do better =]

Lolfael.7512:

Amins.3710:

Unfortunately, we have lost a couple good guilds in the last month, but more importantly, gained a couple really bad ones that do absolutely nothing for our community.

But like Crapgame has said, anyone who has been around EB for an extended period of time knows where we came from and where we are now… we’re still light-years from where we came, and this/those too shall pass.

Your community outside of the roamers was bad to begin with.

Trolling GF while asking to roam with us in game…

EPIC Fail. G’luck w/ that.

Unfortunately, we have lost a couple good guilds in the last month, but more importantly, gained a couple really bad ones that do absolutely nothing for our community.

But like Crapgame has said, anyone who has been around EB for an extended period of time knows where we came from and where we are now… we’re still light-years from where we came, and this/those too shall pass.

Full……………

7/31 – 9pm-12am/server Bust’n Zergs

7/31 – 9pm-12am/server Defending Durios

2 short vids of us last night. Enjoy

8/1 New Vid: Zerg Tank – Bust’n Zergs

8/1 New Vid: Zerg Tank – Defending Durios

Zerg Tank Build

Though, I’m considering swaping out 2 things in this build:

1) Changing Purity to Defenders Flame
2) Changing Pack Runes to Hoelbrak

I use Sigil of Stamina soley for zerg vs zerg.

I am yoda once we start killing stuff.

Claiming it hard to tag stuff w/ a staff is ridiculous.

JetLu.1874:

Something is wrong with a game, when a keep is upgraded to the MAX, and 20 or so players can take it away in less than 5 minutes. I mean really! You have more guards (and they are supposed to be buffed), fortification of doors, walls, etc. It needs to be harder to take down a fortified keep. Less than 5 minutes, come on Anet. I remember when I played Aion it took at least 1/2 hr to take a fort and that was fighting two different factions. Oh and when another faction came to your land, we had buffs, making it harder for them to kill us or our guards.

You’re absolutely right. They NEED to take hints from DAOC.

1) Owners of the keep are notified when their guards are killed and how many are in the vicinity.
2) Upgrades actually mean something:
- Guards can’t be solo’d with ease.
- Need Superior Rams for Reinforced Gates; Guild Rams for Fortified, in order to take down at current speeds.
3) Increased Bounty based on Upgrades (ie, drop Exotics, at minimum for Fortified)

List goes on and on… just one more reason why Anet is showing why they really don’t give a rats kaput about the WvW’ers….

Heck, they haven’t even figured out how to make money off us guys yet, so why would they care about us?

PS: Not difficult to think up of ways.

sostronk.8167:

TBH from my experiences I have a feeling that the damage calculations are not being done correctly from the server at all times, so its probably best for them its not detailed enough.

BAMN.

Just another check on a list of bad developments.

I have to give it to you guys over there on CD… when it comes to brainless zerging, you guys really know your stuff.

Keep up the good work!

I’m still flabbergasted that there are not WvW Legendary or Legendary that can be obtained via WvW… PURELY.

I hate what this game is becoming… every month is some new PvE content while PvP/WvW just keeps getting kittented on.

Jscull.2514:

AydenStar.4216:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

This post just remembers me of this video someone posted on the Ranger forums a fellow days ago.

Good video. Guess what, the guy says when a games population finds themselves doing the same thing over and over…..

Sounds familiar. 99% of the population Zergs or doesn’t want an actual challenge and is terrified of even fights because they could lose. Anet won’t mess with a number like 99%.

That’s because Anet has no balls.

GW2 = Dungeon Farming.

Their WvW Developer(s) lacks any real insight to make something worth playing for years to come nor the ability to make WvW part of their “Living World”.

They have another 6 months of my time at most and then that’s about it.

bishop.7596:

wish.1027:

Amins.3710:

Here is the Proof of the Failed attempts of any kind of ~honorable~ endeavours

So this guy I sub to on youtube posted videos there with a link here, and its pretty lulz. I love the drama, keep it up. KMBH is not good.

If ur JQ go to the right thread better watch DB they’ve been buying guilds and if ur in this match pls show server tag so CD can shower u with some attention… stop sniggling behind like a silly goat over some pvp win.

P.S Ebay there’s a guildless speed hacker in your rank, we’ve reported him at guild level but in case he survived anet ban hammer.. I suggest u guys clean up not very good for rep.

Amins [GF] – Good Fights

Good Luck!

SniffyCube.6107:

Amins.3710:

Ganellon.7032:

Amins.3710:

You really want me to post video’s?

I mean, it’s not like I post video’s or anything… <check sig>. You don’t want the embarrassment. I’m sure I can find one of the many clips of this happening.

So I came on, asked you to produce a video, and instead you make another forum post. You, sir, are a LIAR <glove slap>. You have offended my guild, my honor, my country, and a few of my cats. Video, or kitten off.
-fim

Good Sir,

Your cats are scruffy, your Country questionable, your honor needs improvement and your guild…. they smell of yaks urine.

Here is the Proof of the Failed attempts of any kind of ~honorable~ endeavours

I was there for the first one you ran headfirst into our karma train which is funny. I was the thief that spiked you lvl 68 ftw! It seems like you’re mad about getting spiked one too many times :S

if you want smaller fights there’s always tpvp

What? I think you’re confusing me w/ someone else. I only have a Ranger & Guard, both 80.

But I appreciate the reply! Ty!