Guild Wars 2

Oh, this is going to be fun….

Yep, I’m a nobody: http://www.gw2gvg.com/leaderboard/na

Yep, I don’t contribute to the Guardian Boards at all: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/New-8-1-Video-Included-WvW-PvE-Builds/page/3#post2549905

Yep, I don’t show ~any~ skill at all: http://www.youtube.com/user/JDHarris66

Like I said… do your homework son.

The people you’re bashing (and I’m not saying just myself, as I’m definately not “one of the best”) have been here since beta and contribute vasts amount of time and energy to help make the boards, our boards, what they are today.

Get a clue.

Divinity.8041:

Amins.3710:

Wait… so you come onto the forums in the previous post telling everyone who posts they aren’t as good as X and they’ll never be, then roll a guardian and ask everyone you just spit on if they can help you?

Stay Thirsty My Friend.

Hello random, if you are referring to when I stood up for all the nerds that came out to hate on azshene saying he is not one of the best guardians in the game right now (which he undoubtedly is, and you are not) then yes that is me.

I love when nerds who are bad at the game poo on players on teams they will never even dream to be on.

Why did you just make yourself look bad friend?

Because you just indirectly said you are better than team curse, so who are you again? I am new to guardian community, what is your tag? I am sure you are a famous guardian.

Your logic and depth of character are astonishing.

Do your homework son.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Zacchary.6183:

Some people don’t have that much access to stability.

That’s the beauty of classes complimenting eachother.

That’s also one of the main mechanics behind this game.

Guardians have 2 AoE stability skills.

Guardian uses those skills. You gain stability.

3.

We have 3.

The issue isn’t CC, the issue is “you’re pug’n it”. Join a coordinated guild grp that’s using TS/VEnt/Mumble and call out the train =]

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Amins.3710:

Wait… so you come onto the forums in the previous post telling everyone who posts they aren’t as good as X and they’ll never be, then roll a guardian and ask everyone you just spit on if they can help you?

Stay Thirsty My Friend.

“I don’t always eat crow my friend, but when I do I throw crap in your face.”

lawl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18VkI0uDxE

Wait… so you come onto the forums in the previous post telling everyone who posts they aren’t as good as X and they’ll never be, then roll a guardian and ask everyone you just spit on if they can help you?

Stay Thirsty My Friend.

Hunter.4783:

We have gone over the fact that unless the enemy is brainless enough to attack you through retaliation (which is where most of your dmg is coming from) you won’t be even able to scratch most classes’ sustain

If you think that’s where most of your damage is coming from, then I implore you to try the build because, that’s definitely ~not~ what I find.

I don’t think anyones’ belittling him Harbinger… in fact, almost everyone has said it was a good interview.

Maybe, just a bit of ~constructive criticism~ w/ some teeth.

That’s not true Hunter.

The problem lies in the fact that our highly mobile, survivable roaming build requires time to take down the enemy, which more often than not another 1-2 individuals come blazing in… and you have to escape.

Variations of the Healway (x/x/x/30/20) work very well and will excel if you have a partner.

Here’s the build I’ve been using lately: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUIQNAsdRlYgiCnFyKEf4ES2jVCBVQsHYUF1RXFUIA-jkDBoNCiUgAUDIEEY0HRM7ZIrJQRsCqIasqaER1qGYWdAmzR2iOpuEYyAwsAA-w

EDIT: Granted, I’m sporting the Guard Buff so add on an additional 2500 hps =]

Minor mistake. Take your sad rebuttal back under the rock you came from.

Thanks for your contributing words… /facepalm

^^ It’s not about getting bent.

If the OP is going to start down the path of an “Interviewer”, he/she needs to be mindful of what they’re writing and what they’re trying to convey.

Because all those other guys you just mentioned (Teldo, Ostrich, Super), are now sub-par Guardians….. and how does one (an interviewer) follow up w/ the next story seing as how you’ve just done “the best”…

Careers over dude. Best Retire.

And I ~HIGHLY~ doubt that is the case.

Semantics, yes, however it’s an important lesson to take away.

Sensotix.4106:

Amins.3710:

Simple fix dude.

“Interview with one of the top guardians”.

That’s it.

If you’re going to be big on hosting, it’s good to get peoples attention w/ a catchy Subject Title… but you also need to be aware of the context and actual reaction you want to get.

Look at things from all angles.. Understand the words you use.

If you meant it to be singular… as in ~he is the best, undisputed~, then you need to back it up w/in the content of your posts.

Otherwise, use choice words to still be ‘catchy’, but always… always always always… ~HEDGE YOUR BET~.

I think its alright now isnt it? because well i can say with 100% that he is a top guardian which doesnt mean he is the best now

I honestly don’t really care. It’s monday and I was taking a ‘poke’, just cuz i’m feeling awnry.

Having said that, there’s something to be taken away from this…

~With Top Guardian~. Singular. Top, none other above. Best… All the same.

Make it plural….

“A Top Guardian”… Meaning, there can be more than one. Others.. There are lots of “tops”…

“One of the Top”….

If you make the statement Plural (more than one.. pertaining to more than one person or thing), you don’t step on toes, but still create this sense of “Oh kitten, I should check it out” feeling within your reader.

Just saying.

Good interview btw.

PS: Also, creating controversy increases readership/view counts… there’s no such thing as bad publicity.. /grin.

Crapgame.6519:

And then there is “Too High!!!” which is where I run at about 1490. I should be swapping some items around for a wee bit more DPS if truth be told.

Negitive…

2100 or go home!

Simple fix dude.

“Interview with one of the top guardians”.

That’s it.

If you’re going to be big on hosting, it’s good to get peoples attention w/ a catchy Subject Title… but you also need to be aware of the context and actual reaction you want to get.

Look at things from all angles.. Understand the words you use.

If you meant it to be singular… as in ~he is the best, undisputed~, then you need to back it up w/in the content of your posts.

Otherwise, use choice words to still be ‘catchy’, but always… always always always… ~HEDGE YOUR BET~.

Divinity.8041:

Guys you need to chill, azs is on a team 99.9% of you will never be on, so please show some respect.

So I assume everyone who hated on the term best must be from team CC or something, because those are the ONLY people who can poo on him right now.

Love when randoms hate on star players like they are even in the same universe.

^^ oh look… he’s got a follower!

/golfclap.

EDIT: Removed a bunch of derogatories… Cuz I’m feeling nice today.

Sensotix.4106:

renamed it just to make you guys happy <3

You do realize you did not change anything…. right?

~insert~ “A”

Dmg while having full bunker is pathetic.

Yes, we can build for super sustain… however, if you do so, you ~cannot~ out dmg a Warrior who decides to take up just 15 pts in Defense + a healing Signet and then Runes of Dwayna.

Let’s not even go into if they decide to pick up a banner or go shout healing.

Additionally, the ~only~ trait a warrior needs if they go bunker is Unsuspecting Foe (50% Critical Chance while target is stunned). That’s ~insane~. The dev needs to be slapped for letting that one slide by: 0/10/30/20/10. Great Dmg, Awesome Sustain, Good Condi Removal. Support the build via Food + Runes… overall much better then a guardian w/ very little (and here’s the single most important point of all discussions around Warriors) ~SACRIFICE.

Guardians sacrifice everything if they swing the pendulum to either extreme: DPS <→ Bunker.

Other classes do not have this issue to such an extreme.

Love the “Best Guardian In Game” opinion.

Classic. Hopefully it’ll get you more ‘hits’ then respect.

Zergs are Good.

Zergs are Tasty.

Zergs fill our Belly.

People who complain about Zergs are Baddies.

L2P.

True Roamers love killing Teh Zerg.

Please don’t take away the zergs. I’ll call PETA

style.6173:

Retal is not a big deal. I can’t remember the last time I died from it. The people who die are the AOE spammers.

Quoted for Truth…

He’s probably one’ of the PUGs sitting in a tower spamming nades on a small cluster of comrades who are laughing at him in TS together, while they chain blast finishers on light fields and watch him die.

tanshiniza.8629:

Only classes that bother me are Mesmer and Engineer and that’s because of that currently overpowered confusion rune that can get you to 25 stacks in a few seconds other than that all is fair in love and war.

D/P thieves will kill you eventually. They can stack the Condi / Confusion just as good: HeadShot

Necro: You’re kidding on the Necro’s and Condi removal, right? I mean 2 of thier WEAPONS have condi removal on it: Staff + Focus. Now add in Signet + Wells + Corrpution…. yeah….. Oh, they also have stability entering DS.

Mesmer: Their swiftness is as good as Retreat, but comes from a useable weapon (by usable, I mean for small grp roaming). They have incredible burst dmg and amazing utility. They are however, weak to condi’s.

Yes, every class has some sort of weakness.

What every class doesn’t have, that guardians DO have, is the inability to bunker down AND effectively kill someone.

In WvW, it shows even more, as it takes 3-4 min’s to kill someone as a full bunker (healway – for example) and if the opponent wants, they can run away w/ very little concern…. and by that time, at least 2 more people have found you.

Every other class who bunkers down w/ a Condi (or power, but for this example let ’s just use Condi) Build does not have this issue: To be able to kill someone, escape, and bunker all at the same time.

1) Ranger – Traps / BM
2) Engi – Bombs or HH (lets not even go to the preplexity builds)
3) Warrior – Bow / Sword+Shield
4) Necro – Scepter/Focus + Staff + Corruptions
5) Mesmer – Scepter/Focus + Staff
6) Ele – DD (Hybrid, only exception)

Disclaimer: It wasn’t a huge issue before the condi meta, but it certainly came to light as every other class found out it can just go Toughness, Healing, Condi (along w/ Perplexity) and bunker down while killing just as effectively, whereas the Guardian has to pick and choose…. one or the other.

That is the ~fault~ of the guardian and it needs to be addressed. It’s not a ~TRADEOFF~.

A trade off is NOT using GS + Sword + JI, but going Hammer + Scepter + Retreat… Mobility (blinks/leaps) for Speed + Imobilizes.

That’s a trade off.

Toughness / Armor are horrible.

The fact that you can sacrifice everything in terms of stats to get 3500+ Armor and still have Thieves hitting you for 5-6k, or Eviscerates for 7k+ is ridiculous.

Worst Scaling Stat.

Hoelbrok Runes, not Melandru.

Aeolus.3615:

[off-topic]
Isnt that build kinda far from having lots of condition removal???

DaneccoLOL has forgotten his on the Guardian forum and put together a 5 signet Warrior build for us…

No, because Anet can’t figure out how to make them worth something.

50,000k’s for 10 Achievement Points.. anybody? anyone? Going once, going twice….

WvW is nothing more than a mini-game in this PvE Game.

Welcome to the expanded version of LoTR!!!

YaY

Dynnen.6405:

@ Jericho: What hard CC does a Guard have that is useful to carry in anything bigger than a 1v1?

@ Amins: When I read that I heard Ahrnold’s voice when he played Mr. Freeze.

Whereas All I want is to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE5KXlg4iUY

Pipe Dreams… gotta have em.

Not Cripple, CHILL.

More HP’s isn’t going to solve the problem, though it is a step in the right direction.

Bunkers need to be able to put out some decent damage.

Retal hitting for 206, Burn for 380 and white melee dmg for 280-350 just don’t cut it.

That’s the type of dmg a Healway / Bunker type build see’s.

A regen warrior regens your dmg every second while doing ~incredible~ amounts of dmg back to you.

THAT is the problem.

The other side is, sure, we can do the 2.2k auto attacks w/ GS or Hammer, but we’re stuck at 2400 Armor and 14k Hp….

A thief will take you down in 1 combo: 8k BS 4k C&D 4k HS. Dead.
An Eviscerate can take ALL… yes, ALL of your HP’s in 1 shot.
A Necro can kill you in one Chain Fear Combo.
An Engi… why even bother… you’re dead.
A mesmer… Pistol Phant + Zerker combo… dead.
A Scepter Ele can Burst you in 2-3s.

And I’m not talking about player skill and knowing how to avoid the damage… I’m just talking straight up numbers. All of these combo’s can take out the damage in a, here is the important part, Non Gimicky Burst Combo

Good Players will just kite guardians to no end.

I do it all the time on my ranger. A guardian will not catch me because there is no SNARE/CHILL/CRIPPLE.

IMO:
1) Add Snare/chill/cripple to weapon sets (preferably Chill, it’s more DEFENSIVE)
2) Add Base HP or Traits in Zeal line for more HP (% of Power increases Vitality by X (make it a a PASSIVE trait (maybe 25 pt and combine our current 25pt and 15pt togeher).
3) Increase Dmg for Bunker builds.
4) Increase Effectiveness of VoR

foofad.5162:

Guardians aren’t in the worst spot ever, but they are definitely hurting. It’s forcing some unpleasant build decisions and narrowing our selection of viable utilities and traits. It can be very frustrating to play, lately.

But all that is just a patch away from swinging in the other direction.

Couldn’t have said it any better.

I am completely unhappy w/ the class as it is and the only time it’s functional is when you run w/ someone who can DPS for you.

It’s a joke.

Our Bunker is awesome.

A couple points:

1) I have to agree w/ Jax in that most people don’t utilize Blinds properly for roaming / sPvP (basically they’re both the same; small skirmishes/encounters). I also feel most people don’t use Energy Sigils and maximize weapon swaping. I also feel most people don’t get how powerful Aegis is and thus, don’t spec for it at all…. but Resolve does need to be looked at. It’s sup-par.

2) People need to realize that we are bascially stuck into 2 builds and each build fulfils different roles: a) Zerg vs Zerg; b) Roaming.

2a) Roaming builds really force you to run GS / Sword / JI. It’s our only mobility and you need 2of3…. more to the point: It’s our ~ONLY~ escapability and only ~true~ damage avoidance (Walls/Sanctuary are still privy to GTAOE)

3) We sacrifice too much for our pure DPS Builds: 12-14k hp and 2400 armor is just freak’n STUPID on a Tank class w/o es-capability. The ~reason~ other classes make it work is because they can get the hell out of dodge… when needed: 1) Aoe Snares/Stuns/Roots/Cripples/Chills; 2) Synergistic Movement Abilities w/o sacrificing Utility slots; 3) Stealth

4) Our Bunker builds don’t do enough DPS: Retal’s been nerfed to the ground and Burn is a joke w/o Condi… for which it’s asinine to expect an entire class to spec ENTIRELY for Condi… just for 1 FREAKING condition

I won’t go as far as the others have, there are agenda’s within the responses you’ve received thus far…. and rightly so.

Facts:
- Guardians sacrifice TOO MUCH to go full on DPS and in the current Meta, you will get destroyed, whereas other classes do not.

- You can spec for a “Tanky DPS”, but you will be pigeon holed into Melandru/Hoelbrak Runes + Lemongrass + 3 Passive Condi Removal…. OR…. 30 in Honor for PoV.

Those are your two choices ATM.

There are two Roaming Builds that I use currently, that work well, but you really need a DPS class with you (thieves work great)… Both of them are 30 in Honor…. that tells you alot about the current META.

If you want Mobility, you ~have to~ take 2 of the following: Greatsword / Sword / JI.

It’s all we have and it’s fk’n lame.

Do not expect to catch someone or escape if you don’t have 2/3. Also, expect for most players to get away from you, as we have ZERO on demand Chill/Cripple and taking Hammer/Scepter forces you to take up a Utility for JI.

Guardians Sacrifice too much in order to be competent roamers and are basically pigeon holed into 1 or two builds.

Don’t expect to 1vX as a DPS guard right now against equal players w/ equal gear, unless you’re bunker.

The Devs have basically left this class unattended for too long and it’s slipping, rapidly… specifically in the DPS → Survivability department: 13k health is a fk’n joke.

Achilles.2197:

The whole “i’m a lower tier server facing a higher tier server therefore I have über skillz and they just blob wit no skill” is old.

Not ‘getting old,’ it’s just old.

Ehmry, I’m sure on even numbers it would be a great matchup for sure, but to discredit an entire server simply because they have larger numbers is nothing more than hyberbole.

SoS, you guys know I <3 you.

Nope, ur just bad.

Chris.3290:

It’s amazing, we get rid of one poster from just one of the servers and suddenly everyone starts talking like mature adults.

Yep, back to being boring…

It’s about as much fun as the massive no skill, no class, zerg’n from a T2 server that then goes around talk’n about how good they are….

zzZzZzZzz

Haven’t seen any skill yet…. Guess there’s always next week.

EDIT: Correction, you guys from [EAT] are fun to fight.

Daecollo.9578:

Guardians have Mobility now, they just need to sacrifice a little bit to get it.

You mean like sacrificing 30% Boon Duration and 50+Healing…. to get 25% run speed….

RIIIIIGHT.

Go on Troll, move along.

Daecollo.9578:

This is a massive upgrade to guardian since they don’t need to use staff anymore.

Go troll elsewhere.

We all know where you stand: Buff Warriors.

/facepalm

Right, so does that mean other classes now have +50% movement speed?

Yay – go Anet

hihey.1075:

Amins.3710:

hihey.1075:

I’m ok with this meta.
I would be ok if they change it too, but they will need to tone down bunkering so that every burst damage build would be able to kill in a 1v1 (eventually) a bunker build (healway guardian, d/d ele, cleric ranger, healing signet warrior).
To me, fights should end in a stale only in bunker vs bunker. A burst damage spec should be able, even if it takes them a couple minutes, to shut down any bunker build.

Wrong on so many levels.

Care to enlighten me a bit then?
Or are you one of those guardians who keeps QQing just because you must flee the moment you see a necro?

You got me there.

gud 1

Asuran – It’s the only ~real~ way to go condi!

PS: Anet, u suck.

hihey.1075:

I’m ok with this meta.
I would be ok if they change it too, but they will need to tone down bunkering so that every burst damage build would be able to kill in a 1v1 (eventually) a bunker build (healway guardian, d/d ele, cleric ranger, healing signet warrior).
To me, fights should end in a stale only in bunker vs bunker. A burst damage spec should be able, even if it takes them a couple minutes, to shut down any bunker build.

Wrong on so many levels.

EFWinters.5421:

To the OBEY group in Kaineng BL; lets go. 2v3 behind Windmill (our third had to log).

This wouldn’t happen to be the same OBEY Warrior (/cough Guardian) we had the decency to ~run~ from us yesterday, would it?

Spirit Weapons are “OK” in PvP… that’s about it.

They basically are 2 shotted anywhere else. Dev’s really overnerf’d them.

I will ~never~ use Spirit Weapons until they are changed. They’re a joke.

Bhima.9518:

If you thought fighting against condi builds was bad before, just wait till this next patch. They are getting WAAAY better gear itemization with +vit +tough +condi dmg. Seriously, they get all the main tanking stats and relevant dmg stats with one gear type. for a direct damage class to equal this, they would need gear that has +vit +tough +power +crit +crit% dmg. Time to start thinking about condi builds for the 80s you all have.

Yeah, my Condi Guardian’s gunna ROCK!

We rain green numbers!

Crapgame.6519:

Amins.3710:

“Healway” – 1-10 grp size fighting equal numbers.

Valor/Honor Zerg vs Zerg – “Healway” cannot keep up on the front line.

So… Healways Trumps AH for roaming, imo.

Mind if I ask what you have been running lately? I know you have been trying out a few new builds but I’ve not seen you on our server lately so figured I’d ask. Then again, this week facing SoS has been a bust with their night crew and size

I run a variation of Healway when out roaming… the condi meta is just nuts right now. (sometimes 10/0/0/30/30 or standard 0/0/10/30/30 but running burns on all of it))

For our zerg bust’n nights i’m in the same gear on all the vids – w/ a 0/0/30/30/10.

Then I run something different for our GvG’s, but not disclosing that. =[ Top Secret stuff right dere.

Hexxed.8023:

Video of exactly what happened during this ‘GvG’ as you can see everyone from Ebay’s Spectator hill rushed into vH and an ensuing clusterkitten followed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nMwBhGvURw

Soo confused…

You’re posting a video of you ganking an AFK grp and claiming they’re ganking you?

How embarrassing.

“Healway” – 1-10 grp size fighting equal numbers.

Valor/Honor Zerg vs Zerg – “Healway” cannot keep up on the front line.

So… Healways Trumps AH for roaming, imo.

The fact that there is a dichotomy between Condi Builds and then Perplexity Builds speaks volumes.

The problem is most the kids now a days have such short attention spans that they can’t stay focused on one thing for more than a week or two, and when things ‘get bad’ (IE: they can’t compete), they’d rather just move on then learn to adapt and overcome.

The reality of a prolonged battle between severs is:
- Alliances would form, adding a much more fun dynamic to the game, when one server greatly dominates the other.
- Strategic gameplay would develop, as people began to realize you can’t just zergball around for 1 week.
- People would get bored of the Zerg Ball, and more “Roaming” groups would develope as the focus on PPT would lessen.