Guild Wars 2

Traps are great for the pve’rs.

Nuff said

Slow Horrible Death

Obtena.7952:

They get paid to make games, not forum posts.

.

They do not get paid to make games, they get paid for Customer RETENTION. The game is already made.

Engaging the community to find out and discuss things that matter to them (the customer) is a way to retain their player base… which enables them to continue “making games”.

Pay attention Obtena. There’s more to Sales than your “Backroom Logic”.

Why need Condi clear when you have resistance? So much better

That was depressing.

Horrible – sorry.

It’s slow & Clunky. You’ll never get a shot off against any class that’s mobile… and then trying to set Traps in combat… horribly easy to interrupt.

So disappointed.

Firelysm.4967:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite_Condition

Do we have a reason for this skill to be:
– condition clear
– damage
– aoe
– very low cooldown (16 sec)
– no cast time

Do we have a specific reason, why is this skill so balanced?

Yes, there is a reason why this skill is soo insanely balanced when looking at the greater build (context) in which it’s used:

Meditations are a self-focused build based on Burst Damage and Burst Healing. When considering the build in its larger context, the sutainability comes from rotating Bursts (both dmg & healing) while using Blocks, Blinds & Mobility intermitantly while your Meditations are on cooldown.

The build in question – Meditations – requires lower cooldowns and stun breaks due to having THE lowest HP Pool.

Again, lower cooldowns on it’s burst dmg & healing to mitigate the lower hp pool.

Increasing the cooldown or casting time and reducing the condi clear would require a restructuring of teh class design for Meditation Builds.

In short – ANET created it this way because it fits thier concept of a High Burst DMG & Burst Healing build for guardians, as we already have other “support / utility” builds.

TLDR – Go Get rekt’d by Smite Conditon cuz you can’t count to 16 and dodge when you see the JI + Smite Bomb.

Communal Defenses.

Get rid of that trash 150 toughness.

BillX.4987:

~DHawk.2687, I take it you haven’t noticed in almost ALL of Amins.3710 videos he IS playing a ‘Meta’ Variant/Meditation Guardian build, yet he feels it OK to come here and dictate, well as you can see and read, just saying…

Psst – bro.

Go back through the 2 years of Video posting… Still Med’s, before it was “Meta”.

/waves

LONG Before Meta

Before S/F was a thing

Wait, what?

2yrs and counting – Still Zeal/Valor

EDIT: Some of us old salty dogs who are still here on the Guard Forum, help to create the meta through gameplay, finding out what works and doesn’t within each of the given contents (spvp/wvw/pve), which is why I said: Find the playstyle that FITS YOUR style. Then the meta won’t mater.

I’m done here.

/Schools Out yo.

BillX.4987:

~as I said: Leave it to liars, idiots, trolls and haters to contribute everything to allude a request to simple yes or no question…the more this drags; the more it SUPPORTS an argument…

Unfortunately, you didn’t request a Yes or No answer – so maybe take the 1st part of this sentence and maybe apply it to the questioner.

Short answer – Yes.

There you go. But then again, you completely ignored everything everyone else has said, even the one’s who answered your LONG QUESTION of posting builds for supporting data.

Not everyone runs around streaming twitch and posting vid’s.

How about tyring the build yourself and if you’re unable to acomplish what other’s are saying they can, try posting YOUR build and asking for help rather than just this he said / she said BS.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Amins.3710:

Quit play the ez-mode crutch guard build that baddies play.

Srsly.

It’s no better than a PU Shatter Build.

You want to be “Pro”, create a playstyle that fits YOU. Perfect it and then it won’t matter what the “meta” is as it’ll fit YOUR playstyle.

Burn guards are easy to beat. Just don’t be dumb. Dodge their JI burst, kite the kitten out of them while applying pressure until they burn their Shelter & Purity, then crush them.

Burn is great against people not familiar with 6x stacks of burn ticks… you know, those good players who are watching their UI and not just mashing buttons.

Stop the meta madness yo, guard has so much more to offer.

not easy to dodge JI burst nowadays, with immobilize and blind on F1 available.

JI, F1 to immobilize + blind, with GS2 = devastating.

In 1v1:

F2 -> Shelter.

1st burst.

Reset. Now you know their timers. Walk away / Dodge Purging Flames and GG.

Honestly, there’s so many counters.

I’ll worry over a SD Engi more than anyone.

Look – it’s not the condi build that’s utter carnage but the pu-power build.

It’s not even the pu power build.

It’s how many times within a minute the mesmer can burst 3-4 players from stealth that’s the issue.

The combo that rekt’s everyone needs to be put on a longer cooldown… not that the build needs nerf’d.

Everyone enjoys’s insta-gib’n.

Hell, as a guardian (yes, i went there), I love it… but it can only be done every 45-60s seconds.

The good Mesmers’ can do it, then do it again at half capacity., and then stealth and wait 30s and do it again.

That’s too much, too soon, for so much burst.

Anet – dont’ nerf the burst. It’s a breath of fresh air – and I don’t play mesmer.

Aeolus.3615:

@Amins.3710, shield already works as a taunt weapon, when the adversary notices guardian is using a shield they always think as a free bag :P….

Took me a second read.

hahaha

nice.

Quit play the ez-mode crutch guard build that baddies play.

Srsly.

It’s no better than a PU Shatter Build.

You want to be “Pro”, create a playstyle that fits YOU. Perfect it and then it won’t matter what the “meta” is as it’ll fit YOUR playstyle.

Burn guards are easy to beat. Just don’t be dumb. Dodge their JI burst, kite the kitten out of them while applying pressure until they burn their Shelter & Purity, then crush them.

Burn is great against people not familiar with 6x stacks of burn ticks… you know, those good players who are watching their UI and not just mashing buttons.

Stop the meta madness yo, guard has so much more to offer.

Spirit Wpns Yo – they’re epic and soooo non-meta.

/sarcasm

Amins.3710:

Something like this would be nice:

Shield of Judgement
.5 cast – 20s
No Dmg
Taunts 3 Enemies
Give Protection to 3 Allies
600 Range

Shield could be really fun and usable..

We need a Taunt!

Do you mean Vid wise, Crapgame? That last one was done over the weekend: 7/12.

Shattered Aegis is a phenomenal havoc grp build. The insta-gibb’s are crazy when paired w/ a shatter mesmer as you have a tendency to save their clones from being killed before they shatter ~or~ SD Engi.

Example in that is at 1:18 – not the targeted Ranger, but the guy to the upper right. He gets hit w/ a tripple aegis shatter for 12k.

You can also take Retal. Subconcious over Contender in Virtues for another burstst every 30s on CC’d.

Mace is still a bit difficult, but if you can fit it into your playstyle, there’s another dbl AoE burst every 15s.

It’s a great grp play build w/ Communal Defenses being on such a short cooldown. Lot’s of huge bursts if your grp is running tightly.

NOTE

If you’re run’n solo, i’m inclined to say Radiance is better than Zeal… take alook at zodjin’s solo roaming build…. though I don’t agree with his last vid statement about how bad Zeal is.

Clearly its for a different situation, as shown here.

Thanks Drennon

Haven’t been able to get on too much lately, but was able to capture this fun 6vs16 fight w/ the Shattered Aegis build.

Shattered Aegis 2

Something like this would be nice:

Shield of Judgement
.5 cast – 20s
No Dmg
Taunts 3 Enemies
Give Protection to 3 Allies
600 Range

Shield could be really fun and usable..

Stop thinking of Shield as solely a Defensive Weapon… increase it’s dmg modifier (thus increasing utility).

Black Box.9312:

I think, if anything, OP’s point about Signet of Mercy needing to be replaced is very much valid. It is semi-arguably the most useless utility skill in the entire game, and we could definitely use the speed boost.

Or – Just change the passive of Signet of Mercy to 25% Run Speed, then change the Active to be a Shadowstep to down’d ally and rez them, but reduce the casting time to 1s for the active shadowstep.

That would be very nice.

Usable for DPS classes as well as we’re typically not even going to try and rez due to cleave spam.

You do realize Chill gives the best boon when converted… right?

Chill → Resistance.

AH / Shout Guards will be clutch. Everytime you see chill, you convert it and /laugh at all the condi’s stack up but do no damage.

1st Day Video

Nothing special, just highlighting the build. Does great damage if you can catch people in clusters… superb actually.

1v1’s still have the same issues – nothings really changed on that front.

The overall damage from other classes is ~way~ more bursty and I found myself having to preemptively dodge or use skills because 1s later and 100% – 0% hp wasn’t uncommon from Mes, Eng & Theif.

Carbon Footprint.3421:

“How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Speed/Traveler Runes”

Best movie ever.

“How other classes didn’t have to spend 65g to keep up”.

Best sequel ever.

They significantly up’d the raw damage. The assumption most people, myself included, was that the loss of all our dmg modifiers would kill our output, however this is not the case.

The flip side is ~everyone~ has the same output now…. outside of those dmn back-stab thieves….

spvp.

WvW – necro’s w/ quickness are just OP as kitten.

Try Guardian Runes for more Burn on Block

Take Carrion w/ Radiance, your base Crit will be 29% on burning targets + fury = 49%.

Easy 6k+.

Radiance, Valor, Virtues.

and then… the 10k backstab theif comes and rekt’s your life.

We need more access to Retal, didn’t you know that Ragnar?

Then symbols need to CHILL ON PULSE

I don’t have a shred of optimism for this expantion.

The only thing good I see is that we’re getting massive HEALING buffs.. but honestly… whooop de fn doo.

Change to a 0.5 sec cooldown so we can at least get some respectable Might from actively using our blocks.

This would provide 12 stacks of might.

Seems fair.

Mikau.6920:

Sungak Alkandenes.1369:

Fashion Mage.3712:

Kahrgan.7401:

Sounds like anet “balance” to me

Guardian’s got buffed?

Sort of.

A lot of useless traits are still in or got masked by pitiful buffs:

These are my main issues with the changes. All classes have significant changes, but not Guardian. That is what frusted me. Sorry if I sounded stupid, but I’m really frustrated with the changes on the class.

Guardians lost a baseline of 20% Dmg Modifier in the Radiance Tree.

Guardians DMG Modifiers are now in Zeal but ONLY attached to Symbols…. really… symbols….

Who the f stands in symbols?

Unloveableone.6082:

Squee.7829:

• WALL OF TEXT CRIT’S YOU FOR 100000000K DMG

I could scrounge around my house for 10 dollars in change.
Like…..if 10 dollars is a deal breaker for you, you may want to rethink your career choice my friend.

Excactly Unlovebleone.

Sounds like some kids need to get a job while attending UNIV instead of racking up those Student Loans and complaining about $10 when they spend 20+hrs a week gaming…..

1) Double the Dmg from Shield #4 w/ the cooldown
2) Add DMG to the Knockback. It better hurt.

Maybe then we can talk. But just reducing the cooldown does nothing for it, really.

Honestly, I’d like to see you walk away from getting faceplanted w/ a shield upside your dome. It’s not going to happen.

Silhouette.5631:

Thank you Amins. My original point was that it is no longer acting as a crit line.

No offense, I mean this in the best possible light…

I think you’re going to have to change the way you perceive build creation.

Maybe think of Radiance as a Crit/Condi build, where your “Crit” is for sigils/runes proc’s…. I’m not sure if DH has any “on crit: gain condi” type function… I’ve been pretty PO’d about guardian and looking at other classes and haven’t even bothered to look at it anymore than a first glance /shrug, tbh.

But you are right, the GM Radiance trait doesn’t lend themselves to Melee very well outside of a Hybrid build or signet… which, lets be honest, will only be used for the new signet elites….. meaning no more RF. lol

Hambow – Zeal, Valor, DH. /pukes.

Zeal – dmg – +dmgmods – symbols
Radiance – Crits + Burns (/cough – condi)
Valor – Sustain
Honor – Support
Virtues – Class Designation
DH – idunotf /range

It’s been good fun for the last year and 7 months.

/cry /cheer

RIP VID

SlimChance.6593:

Since Vulnerability now increases ALL damage(direct and condition), shouldn’t Protection reduce ALL damage as well???

Woah – you want the Developers to use Logic?

WAY too much to ask man, WAY to much. Instead, they just give Resistance, which is a new boon only able to be applied by, oh… a couple classes.

Welcome to the new Condi Meta.

Looks like we’re going to be all but Staff/Hammer/Bow for WvW w/ the occasional Condi (IE _ BURN ONLY) build….

There went what mobility we had.

I’m not looking forward to the changes at all – the Havoc Squads are all crying inside.

Back to the Healway – noodlearm build w/ “Settlers” and shouts. /cry.

Andrius.8254:

“Warrior’s Sprint: Move 25% faster while wielding melee weapons. Using a movement skill removes the immobilize condition.”

I think it’s the perfect moment to remove the melee weapon requirement tbh.

Yes, but then Juggernaut would be OP!

You see what they did there? /sarcasm

Asmodal.6489:

Stars.2179:

Guardians lost most their multipliers.

I dont get it.

why wouldnt you go for hammer and 6/0/0/6/6 traitline for highest dps? (hammer/mace is where the dps will be I believe)

At the cost of ALL mobility.

Currently guard’s had good mobility and could shadow some of the top burst builds.

Now, we loose ALL mobility to take the best burst build, yet other classes didn’t have to make the same sacrifice.

Additionally, we can keep the mobility, but SIGNIFICANTLY loose our burst. No one is going to stand in a kitten symbol…. just like only an idiot is going to stand in an necro well.

Good thing we’re getting pushed into using Bows and stacking Burns… sort of.

ventusthunder.5067:

Zeal vs. Radiance is a pretty close call, before today I was saying Radiance all the way, but then it took two very, very nasty hits. That’ll have to be determined in game, and Honor has inched its way back into the discussion, in my book at least.

2?

my 2/5/6/0/1 build just lost 23% +dmg baseline and then all of the Vuln on Blind, which could hit another +15%.

Builds been gutted.

GG.

But hey, look on the bright side… we still got the super long cooldowns!

Obtena.7952:

Amins.3710:

Obtena.7952:

If anyone has nothing to add to a discussion, it’s the guy that thinks what Anet does is completely wrong.

This has to be the single most ridiculous statement in the entire thread… so someone w/ a different opinion about what’s occurring (in any situation – right or wrong), has nothing to add to said discussion….

wow.

You’ve outdone yourself this time.

That statement being ridiculous has more to do with your comprehension than anything else. I said nothing about someone having a different opinion not adding to a discussion.

You get a big /facepalm for that comment Obtena.

So a guy who thinks that what Anet does is completely wrong isn’t an opinion?

He’s said he thinks what they’re doing “is wrong” (opinion) and he’s also present issues as to why he thinks it’s wrong…. so clearly he’s not adding to any type of discussion.

Your passive aggressive insults are amusing, at best.

/golfclap

Obtena.7952:

If anyone has nothing to add to a discussion, it’s the guy that thinks what Anet does is completely wrong.

This has to be the single most ridiculous statement in the entire thread… so someone w/ a different opinion about what’s occurring (in any situation – right or wrong), has nothing to add to said discussion….

wow.

You’ve outdone yourself this time.

Obtena.7952:

No, I’m shooting it down because it’s not a good thing for the game to balance one class against another while ignoring all the others.

The OP mentioned nothing of balancing the game around 1v1s. Try harder to be argumentative please.

Immensus.9732:

zinkz.7045:

Which of course is down to the balance philosophy of this game, which is basically balance for tPvP at the expense of everything else, which of course has resulted in tremendous “e-sports” success, with the thing last night drawing huge viewing figures of about 850, so less than some kid streaming Runescape from their bedroom…

I LoL’d at that xD It’s funny because is true

+2.

They botched it, big time.

In PvE – they cater to the many.

In Player vs Player – they cater and balance to the few: IE – tPvP.

WvW is just a side note.

They got it backwards: s/tPvP is the side note. WvW has soo much more potential, yet they’re blind.

Snow Owl and GS is your friend. Learn to use it correctly because that’s a 7k burst on a squishy.

Healing Spring – Trap
Heal As One – Signet
Troll Unguent – Survival

Anything else just doesn’t make sense.

First, you’re not running any -Condi Food.

Second, you’re not running Hoelbrook Runes.

Those 2 alone will solve most of your issues.

Third, as someone else mentioned, stay in your spring for when you get condi bomb’d.

Lastly, before the spring goes out, leap through it with greatsword for extra healing.