Guild Wars 2

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Lets not lose perspective here. Guardian has had nothing but superior game mechanics attached to the class since day one (invulnerability, reflection, boon spam, blocking, endurance), while the necro has had all the inferior mechanics (chill, pets, fear, conditions, poison, control, DS, life stealing).

wow – inferior mechanics: Chill, Fear, Poison, DS….

/facepalm.

Glacial Heart – Guardian Trait that Chills on hit, is Power Based.

Take that for what it’s worth.

Unfortunatly, guardians are in a good place and getting something that’s actually going to change our risk vs reward is off the table.

Ragnarox.9601:
-Tome of Courage -> Signet of Courage
Passive: PBAoE Heal every 10 seconds.
Active: Light of Deliverance
-Tome of Wrath -> “Feel My Wrath”
Shout that grants Quickness and Fury
Give a passive of 25% movement speed.

Wont’ happen.

We will forever be stuck w/ having runes for speed on ANY viable DPS / Roaming build.

Guardian = Staff user in the eyes of the dev’s.

Ok – then Theives should be Reveal’d upon a Block / Dodge / Missed attack.

Black Box.9312:

Gaining stealth is not worth taking traps AND this rune set over utilities and runes that will actually be useful.

In addtion to that, let’s add in the SEVERE lack in mobility now w/ a Bow + not Traveller/Speed Runes… or Hoelbrok… or Scholar… or or or any baseline speed.

I guess we can just use Staff + Bow + Traps… gg

wtf – get rid of this Trapper/Bow Guardian.

Lame.

Virtue’s seem to have gotten a nerf in terms of QoL for all group members. I see party members / nearby allies suffering by this change while individuals that have the effects casted on them receive more benefit.

And as for “Dragonhunter”: Great, now we’re kitten’n rangers w/ bows & traps…. kitten’n lame.

Seriously -

Why do the Dev’s have their head so far up their kitten when it comes to guardians?

You’re going to find that many of the really old farts have been playing MUD’s & MMO’s" since Zork & Dragon’s Gate and we’re well into our 40’s…./cough +

It’s funny to think most people didn’t have a PC / Apple in their homes until the early to mid 80’s, unless you were in the software/tech industry and even then, it was your Dad’s Computer – with limited access! /grrr

We all know deep down inside we’re going to get a Signet Elite that adds +100 to every stat and blinds on activiation.

Cuz, well, you know…..

Guardians are in a good place

Jerus.4350:

Arken.3725:

Xhyros.1340:

There is no way that 20% damage in symbols trait is not gonna be nerfed to 5 or 10%. That is just too wildly OP, no one would ever use anything other than maces or hammers for PvE unless mace and hammer damage were heavily nerfed to compensate.

It’s incredibly difficult to keep a somewhat intelligent player inside your symbol in spvp so no, I don’t think it should get nerfed down.

Edit: Noticed you mentioned PvE

It’s still too much I think, 10% would work just fine, if they deem it fine, cool, we’ll be like Engi/Ele level damage, I’m not going to complain, but I don’t think they want that while still being open to our virtue traits for all the support. I’m curious to see the math on Hammer build 66060 vs Mace+Focus/GS 66006, as I have a feeling those will be the two main builds.

We already have 10% and no one EVER uses it… including you, as you seem to not remember we even have this trait.

No one stands in symbols – they’re too short of a duration and with ZERO soft CC built into a weapon, it’s a completely useless trait outside of PVE…. and honestly, who really cares about pve. /grin

If the Dev’s have taught us anythng over the last 2 years – it’s that they don’t give a crap about what the Guardian Community thinks, wants nor desires.

GG Anet.

Honestly, they want the guardian to play a specific way and any deviation from that is barely even looked at… even if they come back 1.5yrs later and say "oh hay, that’s a great idea… why didn’t you say that before?!

They did nothing for:

1) Condi Guards
2) Spirit Weapons

Zeal line is still ~very~ “meh”… scepter skills in a “SYMBOL” Traitline?

What does look really nice is the possiblility of a new Meta that could emerge: Active Blocking Guardian. This could be extremely good for small group encounters for pvp/wvw.

Outside of that, things look STALE AS EVER when it comes to guardian gameplay.

Though – I believe we’re going to see alot more s/t & s/f builds w/ a meta of: Mediations, Virtues, Radiance… as Zeal and Honor look boring as kitten.

Common now, we all know our specialization is going to be either in Signets or Spirit Weapons… cuz they’re kitten’n AWESOME

Mizu Misa.8730:

Thank’s Sun Dusk for your clarification, you have some good points.

Yes, he has good points from the same ol blah blah meta spvp perspective.

Yet if you learn to play a build for its strengths and not engage in fights that put you at an immediate disadvantage (ie – l2position), then the whole “blah blah meta perspective” means very little.

Play it for what it is, don’t try to fit it into a different box and then say it sucks.

Enjoyed the new Empowering Vid (Click Here).

S/T is super fun, as is Mace/Torch. Everyone seems to back off after getting plowed by a Protectors Strike for 5k only to have a 5k Fireball thrown at them shortly after their dodge roll to back off.

Make them act like Kits – or Firey Greatsword.

Problem fixed.

Otherwise, give them the health/dmg reduction prior to their nerf a year ago.

Meditation GS + S/F Roaming is viable.

Remember to use Traveller (or Speed) Runes and Sigil of Incompacitation: I put it on my Sword/Scepter.

1) Spirit Weapons function like Engi Kits.

2) Signets get a full revamp (condition utility focus)

3) Condi / Support Hybrid Build

2/5/6/x/x

/15 characters……………………………………………

I don’t know why they just don’t remodel them and allow us to equip them like Kits.

They’re junk as they are in anything other than 1v1’s.

Reborn.2934:

Merzonathl.8329:

Rip Stability. Guards have 5 secs on Stand your ground, and 2 secs on Hallowed ground, GG. Even Warriors have more with Balanced stance, 10 secs. Are Warriors the new support class? -.- Might aswell switch main. Fix this Anet.

THIS !!!

the guardian changes on stability actual is the end of …. GVG guilds !

organized guilds have not a single chance against bigger numbers. i saw it today in my server . we tested everything from full concentrate builds or 4 shout guardians and nothing is working good anymore …

today all of our gvg guilds wiped and wiped and wiped all over the time from bigger numbers .

the only fix is to change the stand your ground to at least 12 seconds and halloween ground to 3 seconds per pulse and at least wall of reflection should reflect every enemy skill .

it is not logical the wor to not reflect the higher damage skills . higher damage should always have a risk !!!

p.s. ofc there is always the option the wvw guild raids are full warriors raids and somewhere in the back line a guardian waiting the order from guild leader for tome of courage

Or maybe, just maybe… you take off the stability crutch and rely upon more than just stack blob’n through baddies w/o thinking about the consequences of no CC Immunity and L2Terrain.

There are really 2 schools of thought

1) Sustain it up and either kill the 1v2’s / 1v3’s so long as you can handle a 4-5 min fight and so long as in the time it takes for that encounter, you don’t get adds….. The issue is, it’s too long and you’ll get adds… which leaves you with no escape.

2) Zerk it up – build for mobility and play an active style w/ blinds, dodges, blocks & great burst. This is a ~very~ unforgiving build as you won’t have mor than 13k hp (w/o stacks). In this build, the mobility is ABSOLUTELY there. Anyone who says different, really doesn’t play the build well. Sorry.

3 gap closers, +25% passive Speed. Yes, JI has longer cooldown, but Sword is on a pretty quick cooldown and when you learn the rotate, it’s basically a GG-escape.

The issue is, as a guardian, you need to keep your escape route in mind at all times. THAT is the single priority because it requires a target.

… if you missed the key point, here it is again: Your Escape is Reliant UPON a Target.

No Target – No Escape.

For the naysayers there – yes, if a theif or warrior is not on cooldowns, they will catch up. However, the Guardian can gain more distance in a shorter period of time over the warrior due to the “instant” nature of our escapes (minus GS Leap). From there, L2Kite / Obstruct Views.

Thief – well, burst them down

ventusthunder.5067:

S I don’t understand why so many “longtime guardian players” just come on here to cry when it’s so obvious that many other roamers are managing just fine.

Maybe because “us” – ‘long time guards’ now have 80’s of every other class and realize just how good engi’s and mesmers are compared to gaurdians when roaming.

just maybe….

Roaming is about Mobility and Disengaging so you can kite in outnumber situations.

It’s doable as a guard, but very difficult BECAUSE you have to sacrafice soo much to do it, whereas other classes don’t.

That right there is why most people bi7ch: FYI – it’s the long cooldowns in that build that kill the disengaging.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Dynnen.6405:

How about we get fixes to our weapons before we go adding new kitten? After watching the utility/offense or utility/defense built into all the abilities on the new class…they better re-work some of our weapons if the ‘old-school’ classes are going to keep up

This ^.

Compared to other classes the guardian already falls behind when it comes to offensive utility & unless your using hammer or mace it can for defensive utility as well.

After looking at the rev all I can say is I hope they take a serious look at the guardian weapon skills, utilitys, elite skills & traits.

Psst – Anet says Guard in Gud Place…. since beta….

Thaddeus.4891:

- Justice is Blind : VoJ apply blind
- Blind Exposure : Applying blind also apply vulnerability
- Renewed Justice : VoJ is renewed when you kill a foe
- Inspired Virtue : VoJ give might

^^ This Altrustic Healing w/ a simple macro to spam the button.

Jaxom.7310:

nope. bows ftw
/15chars

Negative Ghost Leader – the pattern is full.

Down w/ BOWS!

Viva Bow of Truth!

I really hope not…

Out of everything we could have gotten… a freak’n bow…

We already have a Bow…. BOW OF TRUTH… and it’s lame! Don’t add to the lame’ness!

For WvW – Go full out cheese – p/d – d/p perplex cheese w/ 0/0/6/2/6. You can give engi’s a very strong run for their money and if not, you just walk away.

For sPvP – all comments above.

Just a thought here -

If you’re “the best solo guard”, you should have no problems backing it up with video’s of you doing 1v3’s.

Just saying… and waiting…

If you’re using a Hammer then there is the single best, most epic, Guardian JI-Banish Stomp….

Most fun… ever.

Nevhie.6079:

Amins.3710:

Havoc groups are about mobility. Hit and run. Get in, get out. You can trail the zerg and eventually whipe them. You can ambush other groups.

I think we have diff meaning of Havoc.

No, you have the definition of Havoc correct.

Any class really. Guard should change up build based on what you choose.

Shatter mes works really nice w/ Guard, as does Thief & Ele.

1 D/D Ele
1 Support Guard
All Zerker glass focused on Escape and Mobility.

We do fine just enough.

People who say no zerker, i question. Seriously. /cough PRAE.

Havoc groups are about mobility. Hit and run. Get in, get out. You can trail the zerg and eventually whipe them. You can ambush other groups.

But mainly, out of everything that has been said… Harbringer is correct – the more you play together, the more it becomes instinctual. This is just Time factor.

And no, at that level, you do not need voice-coms…. most of the time its just laughing at that point (at your teammates getting downed or some other silly bs) Our guys rarely run w/ voice. Property target management and focus is all that matters.

Group Dynamics & Build make up only really matter when you start doing 15 vs 30’s and there’s just soooo much aoe spam that the GWEN really changes the game and allow you to eat up that much spam.

New Vid -

6v12

Repeating X-Bow.

Shield is decent in WvW due to Boon Duration if you’re playing a support guard.
1) allows for perma Protection
2) Projectile block for grp/ally
3) Grp Heal
4) Knockback.

Damage should be increased however, as the damage is pathetically now.

If they’d make Shield 4 do some good damage (IE – SoW type damage), people would use it.

Give us X-Bow’s.

sorry- couldn’t watch it. Gave me a headache – slow it down.

How I like to run a more offensive healway

That’s perma 25 stacks of might.

I personally like Sword / Shield, but that’s just me: Knockback + Projectile Block, 7s of Protection, Blind + Mobility, and ofcourse #3 Projectile Block.

SilverWF.4789:

Amins.3710:

aspirine.6852:

Ragnar.4257:

aspirine.6852:

Ragnar.4257:

SilverWF.4789:

There is no way to apply confusion to multiply people. Basically, there is no AOE-confusion.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusing_Enchantments

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dazzling_Glamours
combined with
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Befuddlement

Welcome to 2012

SilverWF.4789:

Learn the game before post.

And in the whole game, how many times did you see that compared to group retaliation? 1000-1? I have never ever seen aoe confusion and I play since the beta weekends.

If you had played since beta, then you’d know that “confusion bombing” with mesmer glamours was a pretty common tactic back in 2012 and early 2013. Infact, it got so out of hand, that they had to nerf confusion in WvW, hence it is not used much these days.

Never seen it, but could be because I played on lowest of tier back in the beginning.

Old Vid of Confusion Bombing

3:30 for the larger one.

There was alot of issues, not jsut the confusion bombing back then. lol

I mean, we had no more than 12-14 and could take out very large grps w/ Confusion + Rendering. lol

And? Where is damage from Confusion? Also, all I seen there is unlimited procs of Chaos armor and it was fixed.

You’ve been stuck by confusion and why you missed it dear boy… its also why it was nerf’d. lol

aspirine.6852:

Ragnar.4257:

aspirine.6852:

Ragnar.4257:

SilverWF.4789:

There is no way to apply confusion to multiply people. Basically, there is no AOE-confusion.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusing_Enchantments

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dazzling_Glamours
combined with
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Befuddlement

Welcome to 2012

SilverWF.4789:

Learn the game before post.

And in the whole game, how many times did you see that compared to group retaliation? 1000-1? I have never ever seen aoe confusion and I play since the beta weekends.

If you had played since beta, then you’d know that “confusion bombing” with mesmer glamours was a pretty common tactic back in 2012 and early 2013. Infact, it got so out of hand, that they had to nerf confusion in WvW, hence it is not used much these days.

Never seen it, but could be because I played on lowest of tier back in the beginning.

Old Vid of Confusion Bombing

3:30 for the larger one.

There was alot of issues, not jsut the confusion bombing back then. lol

I mean, we had no more than 12-14 and could take out very large grps w/ Confusion + Rendering. lol

Keksmuffin.1450:

The builds have been pretty much variations of these two:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsf7dlsApcoVDxbI8DNR8QZ1HUdAkAP61/wMkDA-TJRHwAV2fIwTAAZZAAnEAA

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsf7dlsApcoVDxZI8DNBARlZREhWGARw1hQFsBA-TJRHwABeCAILDA4kAEa/BA

The Better Build is this

I swap between Vigor and Blind constantly. lol

Krait Runes are for Cover and Bleed Duration. I actually like Guardian Runes in this case, as you double up on the Defender Flame Trait.

As Holl stated, it’s HYBRID, not condi. Hybrid… w/ Might Stacking.

The reason people are talking about it is because it is a ~fun~ build: people have to try to take the point, while you can just spam symbols, blocks, blinds and do a really good amount of PASSIVE Damage w/ ~pretty good~ self sustain.

It’s just different and as anyone who has played Guardian knows, we’ve been stagnate for a really….really….REALLY, long time.

I made some condi builds/video’s a very long time ago (mid 2013) but condi/hybrid as a Guardian has been a joke until AW…. which isn’t to say it still isn’t… just playable at least, now in sPvP.

oxtred.7658:

350 hp, or one retal tick.

• 5 people.

Spartacus.3192:

Amins.3710:

You don’t use Meds – you use AH, Staff/Hammer & Consecrations. You will burn everyone around you with your Staff Auto.

Build

Basically 2200 condi damage for 883 Perma AoE Burning.

Can also switch into Honor for larger field = more AH healiing on Hammer / Staff Symbol.s

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your build doesnt have 2200 condi damage? Am i missing something?

Might Stacks & Sigil – Look at the boon duration.

My post, Holl, was in response to using Burning in Zergs – Drop the med and pick up AH.

You don’t use Meds – you use AH, Staff/Hammer & Consecrations. You will burn everyone around you with your Staff Auto.

Build

Basically 2200 condi damage for 883 Perma AoE Burning.

Can also switch into Honor for larger field = more AH healiing on Hammer / Staff Symbol.s

Horrible. The Team that made this happen should be fired.

Instead of helping to make WvW engaging, you’ve single handedly ostracized every server outside of T1… forcing the mind numbingly, time wasting events of PvDoor onto us.

./golfclap

In T1, this might work as it will generate more community communication… however, if there’s no population on a map… we’re now supporting Karma Trains, even more so then previously…. EoTM has just made it’s way into BL’s.

ellesee.8297:

Hello frands! retired Engi
Wahoo! Bye frands!

^^ is what I got from your message TBH.

I’m confused – why do you need more than one? I get it if you made a sylvari (cough) and re-rolled to the true guardian race – Asuran … but, yeah….

WHY?

Dredd Spirit Caller.4082:

run with 2 sets on engy
1 berserker (pure power)http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAUlUUpErlcxdLseRCbBNqxAqUIyNWlPfgAkUA-T1BEABMp8TiLAQK7P0mOAAeAAJq+zWKBBA-w
1 rabbid (conditions setup) http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQJAqelUUpErlcxdLseRCbBNqxAqUIyNWlPfgAkUA-T1xCABA8AAwS53lq/s8+D6pHY6TAwYKBBA-w

Dont’ use Str runes – use Hoelbrok for WvW, then grab Lemongrass. Condi problem solved.

evilapprentice.6379:

Don’t forget to ditch the positional requirement as well!

Note: I don’t think rangers are OP. I do think it’s logicially inconsistent for ANet to nerf thieves damage/spike damage/survivability
over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over again for the sake of balance, then give similar damage capabilities and risk mitigation/survivability to other classes for some reason.

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For the love of all things Holy! I completely agree with you

Mace Hits like a truck.

Protectors Strike can go upwards of 5-6k.

I would probably switch to Intellect Sigil though – so you know protectors is going to crit each swap.