Guild Wars 2

Mesmer is a braindead easy to pick up hard to screw up class. Even if Mesmer was the most unviable class right now, it will never compare to how bad Warrior was when Frenzy/Quickness got nerfed and that’s all they had going for them.

But other classes are more rewarding for when you get good at the game.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Thank you all for this great experience. I hope to write more a little later, but I’m kinda busy after getting home (sorry for missing the weekly, LOL)

I would like to correct some impressions people had about this entire thing.

Firstly, a lot of people are blaming us winning based off our comp. That’s straight up insulting. Every player on our team was on a top team and absolutely dominated on their respective teams before joining the abjured. Don’t disrespect us because our mains are considered OP. There’s a good reason why, but don’t forget that a lot of impressions about what is OP came FROM US! Furthermore, we CREATED this comp and were forced to replace TWO players. With those two players (chaith and toker), we didn’t even practice as much because the rest of us were burned out by playing 3-10 hours every day.

Also, someone said I never made it to a top team and considering I absolutely dominated NA with TDM in the same style as I did with Abjured, that’s just a joke. Just because you weren’t around since release to see me destroy this game in the same style doesn’t mean I didn’t do it before. It’s not the engi, it’s more practice than you can even begin to imagine. The only other good rabid engi out there is Texbi. If you think our comp is broke, I dare you to run it and beat us with it. I WANT you to try!

Secondly, TCG had about 20x LESS practice than the Abjured did. Our “comp” REQUIRED it. You can see it in the rotations. Where every one of our players played every role, TCG played static roles.

THIRDLY, the main reason why I think that TCG lost, from my POV, was sizer not running shadowstep and consistently going far to face me. I personally didn’t scrim TCG in the hopes they wouldn’t realize that sizer needed to run shadowstep to push far vs me.

FOURTHLY, That was the best kitten week of my entire life, I was treated like a star. If putting your life on hold for a week, going to a different country, getting drunk every night and then WINNING 25,000 DOLLARS isn’t esports, I don’t know what is.

FIFTHLY, Blu and Grouch did an amazing job casting it I thought. I haven’t watched the Jebro cast yet, but it really did hurt to have the two guys who actually were invited to go cast not be able to do it live because of technical issues. It ruined the entire thing for Blu and I can’t really blame him for it. He’s a great guy and works harder for the game for less pay than ANYONE else!
I love this game! I hope to actually write something about the full experience we had in Beijing, it was the most amazing trip I could have asked for. Thanks to Everyone involved and everyone who watched it!

Well said. Would like to add that Ostrich played with high risk high reward comp back in the days when frenzy was the meta, something that EU never really did because EU relied on comp instead of mechanics.

Oh and friendly reminder that EU only started playing Warrior when Berserker Stance Cleansing Ire was introduced. Just from that kinda shows that EU was mechanically inferior anyways and that the only thing they had going is rotations and comp. People shouldn’t judge others without knowing their own flaws and other people’s history.

Pretty sad that EU can’t counter cheese the moment it’s done to them instead of them doing it.

Just get rid of hot-join and keep custom arenas with passwords instead so we can get a more accurate match up with unranked or ranked ques.

Those ques need people anyways to have better accuracy I guess.

Maybe make the PvP rewards give custom arena kits and extenders so people can still do custom games but mostly do unranked/normal and eventually ranked.

Cynz.9437:

the real culprit is not NA or EU, it is anet allowing cheese builds for 1 year untill they feel like it is time for new cheese

This is true to be honest.

Nightsurfa.3982:

Dunno why you guys are arguing EU vs NA.

NA won, simple as that.

If EU is so good at this game, why didn’t they win? Theres no cheese in top end pvp in any esport mmo game, ever.

You play to win and thats, that. This is why you kids will never be on the world stage, so stop complaining about everything.

NA won, NA is the best, EU got second. Simple as that.

Can’t blame EU, they think they’re superior honestly. Since you’re a returning player, I’d say you should’ve been here a few years or months back when EU people called NA behind the meta. Just wow.

Would be great of people learned humility already.

If you wanna play the victim and call your class UP but it’s actually braindead easy to play, play Mesmer.

Rym.1469:

uberkingkong.8041:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

uberkingkong.8041:

Necro has that 3 second death combo
Ele’s have a 3 second death combo

You got a single comment thread killer combo… That is amazing on it’s own…

Or are you going to enlighten everyone what these epic death combos are?

and for necro, play game when you get a game with boohda or I think little demise might play that kind of build (those 2 active people I seen), youll know it when it hits ya. Its just, if your not ready for it, you dead. To counter them, I know for necro, when you notice half your hp or 77% of your hp go away instantly and you have like 10 condi’s on you, that’s when it hit ya and if you cant do anything about it, you dead.

If you stand in a well or facetank the Lich…

And guess what! Warrior also has 3-second death combo!

If you’re a training golem, anything will do that combo on you tbh.

So what is this 3 second combo again? You would need Frenzy for that or Hit both Arcing and Final Thrust with intelligence proc. Even then, at least most Warrior combos are easy to dodge.

On topic though:
Seriously though, are people from EU going to be productive at all when it comes to mechanics? They’re always been mechanically inferior than NA, that’s why in the past they always had to use forgiving crap. NA just beat EU at their own game which is abusing cheese, all there is to it.

All EU really did was use a more forgiving comp for the most part, NA was NEVER behind the meta.

P.S Super didn’t invent hambow and ROM didn’t invent shoutbow. EU Warriors only started playing Warrior when Warrior became broken.

Just mechanically inferior players in general in all honestly. Only thing they have going for them are rotations and comp (Not comp in this WTS though).

TL;DR Stop overrating EU, they weren’t that special to begin with.

Booms.2594:

ILikeKittens.1759:

Booms.2594:

iirc Eu ran 2 spirit ranger in pax, not NA

I find it amusing how much kitten that comes out of your posts on these forums. You always say something that you know nothing about.

Vyndetta, Spirit Ranger
Twerp, Spirit Ranger
Zombify, Necro
Davinci, Guard
Caed, Thief

Super, Warrior
Lord Nag, Guard
Lady Nag, Thief,
Posi, Necro
Mogwow, Ranger

Please stop your ignorant posts.

ok.. you were right.. i was wrong..

Doesn’t matter, Hambow was braindead back then too. EU comp was better and cheesier cause hambow + spirit ranger.

Doesn’t help that Super (Or must EU Warriors) steals builds and calls it his own from Tarcis either.

Rifle is bad, Axe on the other hand requires you to count dodges or catch people when the evade frame is about to end with a CC.

For people like Penguin who is clearly new or of low skill level, it just isn’t recommended. Stick to like Hambow or something I dunno.

The double standard is just AMAZING. I don’t understand why NA gets crap when they use cheese to win and then EU is hailed superior when they do cheesy BS. And when NA uses non-cheesy comps they’re behind the meta while EU are heroes when they do non-cheesy comps.

Cheese is fair game when $25,000 is on the line. I’m surprised the community is still devolving instead of evolving at this point.

Zoose.1640:

Great matches
Horrible stream quality and technical difficulties
AMERICA
UNITED STATES OF CELESTIAL
ETC.

Congrats to Abjured

Comments like this is just double standard shenanigans. Seriously, I guess were just going to forget EU doing cheesy double Ele Soldier Amulet Cleric Amulet against Lookin Like a Cute [QT]’s Berserker Amulet comp 2 years back.

I guess EU are “heroes” when they do non-cheesy BS while NA is “behind the meta” when they’re doing non-cheesy kitten. Just so simple-minded.

GG well played and well deserved.

EU WAS always inferior. About time that NA gave EU the taste of their own medicine, which is abusing cheese.

I’ll never forget how EU used cheese comps vs. Hman’s Warrior and Caed’s thief and then called it skill.

Just mechanically inferior players who depended on class imbalance, that’s all EU did for the most part.

Mesmer still has too many evades honestly, all of their stun breaks should just get deleted. You shouldn’t be allowed to have everything.

Instead of nerfing Warrior adrenaline they could’ve nerfed Warrior stun breaks, too bad ANETs too illiterate though.

Venom Share
Warrior Shouts
Banner
Wells (boon strip, protection on point, cleave)
Ele Attunement Buffs
Guardian Stand Your Ground and pretty much the whole class including kill set up
Spirit Ranger

Maybe the real problem is some selfish builds are better than support builds? Either way, some support builds like Venom Share are no joke though.

Like I said, people who play Mesmer are ALWAYS hiding under that class to hide their low mechanics. Mesmer is ALWAYS been an all-time braindead zero skill class, yet people fail to admit simple things. Like seriously when is invulnerability ever skill? Those things shouldn’t been deleted from the start of the game, sigh. (Including Endure Pain and Berserker Stance, yes.)

Even a thief shouldn’t be a problem on a Mesmer, I don’t have trouble on thief you know why? Oh right, cause I still do damage on my Soldier Amulet Mesmer in team fights.

Shatter Mesmer isn’t as kittened as before now that everything else is broken.

But Shatter Mesmer is still a very brainless spec. People really love to mask their low skill through this class. Can’t count a Mesmers dodges but Mesmers count other people’s dodges with ease.

@Eurantien

Worst QQ that I’ve ever seen in a while. I guess ranger mains really are bad at everything that they do.

Way more than ArcheAge that’s for sure. GW2’s PvP is dependent on teamwork and individual mechanics more than that game at least.

But GW2 now will not compare to how good release GW2 was. Release GW2 had so much high risk high reward stuff and it was just so fun then.

Engi’s stunbreaks are indeed bad like Chaith said. I honestly think the people complaining about Engis are uninnovative Mesmer mains or something.

Thiefs complaining about Engis are probably spamming too much downstate its not even funny.

It’s not like Engis can be immune to condis anymore or be indefinitely immune to CC like some classes.

Bump. And I was right, ANET just screwed with Warrior diversity.

Predicted and calculated.

I’m getting sick and tired of your incompetence ANET.

And I’m getting sick of this pathetic community too. The people complaining about Warrior are probably the same people who couldn’t even make Warrior work before Zerk Stance. They think this nerf is justified LMAO.

Bunch of losers.

Generally I don’t like any of your posts but for once I’d say no to Mesmer buffs without trade-offs. They can still strip boons, they can still deal damage even with soldier amulet, they can still kill set up for team mates and res easy without trade-offs. Their survivability is face-roll easy because you can’t even count a Mesmers dodges. Sure you can try to catch them when the evade is about to end but still, they can daze you and blind you when that’s happening.

That being said, your class shouldn’t really get overbuffed either. Your class strips boons, tanks hard, cleaves hard, and chain CC’s the best out of all classes if you knew how to play your class. Which you kinda don’t.

Implying that Solo Que matters in any form of game be it in LoL or DOTA. The best way to deal with solo que is to void the value of Solo Que Rating.

It’s your loss if you keep dwelling on the most meaningless rating in every form of “e-sport.”

I’m aware of the fact that IF you are in a good team, your Solo Que rating should be as good as the team you’re in. Sometimes you get good games in Solo Que yeah, but most of the time though your games in Solo Que will not matter compared to the games you do on twitch.tv tournaments.

P.S There is a good reason why there is no Solo Que LCS in LoL or DOTA.

TL;DR stop dwelling on Solo Que rating. It’s pointless, both the dwelling and the rating. Just do team que and avoid Sky Hammer at all cost to keep your sanity in tact.

Sarrs.4831:

You’ll need to use some basic strategies which everybody else has to use in order to ensure your big-hitting abilities land!

These include
Baiting dodges
Immobilising or stunning your enemy
Not being bad
Making sure you’re not blinded, or about to get blinded before using your abilities

Enjoy dealing with the same mechanics as the rest of us peasants!

Doesn’t change the fact that Hammer and Long Bow will be even more favorable when the changes happen.

Nice try though, casual. Good chance that you’ve never played Axe or Mace mainhand and made it work to an extent

Exile.8160:

lol a PU can’t hold a point and take too long to kill anything it’s not a problem in competitive play

Doesn’t change the fact that Mesmer in general takes absolutely no skill once you learn to count dodges when the enemy can’t count yours.

Mesmer right now will NEVER compare to Warrior after Quickness nerf. Don’t even argue with me, you or anyone for that matter will never win.

And let’s force Warriors to do GS, Hammer, and Long Bow so that they actually get a slap in the wrist once you get attached to the class. Let’s just kill diversity without properly reimbursing Mace and Axe burst.

Prove me wrong.

Things I expect to hear with absolutely no valid argument:

1.) Warrior OP on EVERY build, they deserved it
2.) Axe and Mace burst are fine L2P
3.) ANET did the right choice on nerfing Adrenaline

JinDaVikk.7291:

Anastasis.7258:

For people who were trying to defend Nerco Life Force. Do you know that you can build your Life Force for free by hitting some specific structures in Khylo?

" did you know you can stay in combat by dropping from ledges, attacking certain objects in kyhlo and by hitting npcs, doors and many other methods of staying in combat while swapping weapons to gain more adrenaline?"

Srsly…. stop your crap.

Okay? Now, go do that on Legacy of Foefire or Forest of Niflhel. Without leaps.

Nice try though, casual.

I can play this game too.

1.) Necromancer – Cleave isn’t bad once you start getting good at this game, boon strip is unblockable, reliable chain CC because boon stripping is easy to land once you learn how to count dodges and stun breaks on targets that are don’t have evade on skills. Has a second hp bar on death shroud and one of the best condi cleanse in the game.

P.S Necro is still a BS class that needs it’s death shroud to be nerfed back to where it was.

Everything is op except my class, says Lordsoricky. At least I acknowledge that Warrior (My main class) is BS atm because ANET can’t do any innovative balancing techniques.

Also people saying Mesmer is a bad class atm needs to L2P. Mesmer right now will NEVER compare to when ANET didn’t compliment the frenzy nerf on Warriors when frenzy was the only thing they had going for them a year ago. Mesmer can still Kill Set Up like a Necro minus the chain CC. They are supposed to be support, and people want to carry with them? Wth?

Cleave. Best bet against them is beat them at a game that they have a hard time doing.

Don’t even bring cluster bomb to the argument, that’s not even a good one ever since the nerfs.

Hey Zoose, why don’t you teach me how to not rage at my own team mates just because of the fact that they have a legitimate opinion different from yours.

P.S You can’t

You deserved this win a thousand times. Those players that you fought always abused cheese tbh, good job beating cheesy rich kids I suppose.

They killed Warriors complexity to be honest. At least the decision making complexity when they added Berserker Stance.

Essentially that’s what ANET does, they kill high skill cap and lower the skill floor even more. Warrior took so much more skill before the Berserker Stance update and when the Frenzy meta was still around.

All is vain

/15chars

Why should you pick that trait over last chance?

I don’t understand the godkitten point of “initiating” with the bulls charge HB combo. Like seriously initiate that when people have Aegis, stability prior, and etc?

It’s better to use it as a finisher when they don’t have anymore stun breaks to be honest. But w/e, this build’s still out-dated crap I guess.

I like how some people think APEX actually likes this meta compared to the burst meta. Ignorance is too strong on this one.

Simple answer. Because Engi as a class is inherently weak vs. CC Warrior builds at the highest form of play; its always been a hard match-up for Engi to go against a Warrior.

Do I seriously have to explain in detail? Like seriously? Just try using an Engi against any of the good Warriors, tell me how it feels like. I’m not talking about casual vs. casual, I’m talking about Pro vs. Pro.

Decipher. Discuss.

P.S Delete cancer/cheese, please.
P.S #2 I’m for real, the moment this (^) happens this game CAN be saved.

I’ll say it again and I’ll keep saying it.

Mesmer will always be zero skill cancer class. This class is just flat-out EVIL and should just be deleted and re-worked from scratch. Why? Because distortion is Berserker Stance, Endure Pain, and Balanced Stance in one package. It boggles me that people think Warrior is brain dead with it’s invulnerabilities but Mesmer isn’t. Like seriously Mesmer takes skill? It’s so easy to count dodges while spamming dodges on this brain-dead excuse of a class. Even worse now that they enabled Knights amulet in sPVP. Add to the fact that that Mesmers can attack while spamming endurance dodge or any form of cheese for that matter, something will go wrong if they aren’t kept “UP”.

I guess balancing will always be pathetic when ANET is in charge of GW2.

Mesmer is the perfect example of EVIL in video games. Never a fun class to play against and people literally think they’re good when they play this brainless class just because “I have to time my evades on a Mesmer” when this cancer class has so much more evades than any other class in the game.

Don’t even bring Thief into the discussion, Sword Dagger is balanced now and Thieves don’t deal DPS if they spam short bow 3.

Being able to use Air + Fire sigils on a DPS weapon with higher chance of proc. Even Generosity + Purity doesn’t sound bad but 10 seconds might still be too long vs. some condition builds. Least the Air + Fire one kinda allows you to out-dps conditions even for a little bit.

About time they did something right. Only other thing that would get ANET’s credibility back up is if… they got rid of Skyhammer for solo que.

@OP

None of your builds maximize the weapon sets or mind sets at all. Sigh.

Just from the bat:

1.) There is no point in taking Phalanx Strength over shouts or Banner regeneration. PvP or WvW, just do the math. Winning in this game is about abusing broken sustain if you’re talking about team fights.
2.) You’re not going to take Fear Me on a condi Sword and Long Bow build? It’s too good to pass out and you’re kinda missing out.
3.) You don’t need ANY points in arms to make Axe hit hard. There is also one other trait that you don’t need with Axe but it’ll be blasphemous if I told you about it.

I guess the “cancer” version of the Axe build I’m talking about doesn’t need to be visible yet.

bhagwad.4281:

+1. It’s a ridiculous mechanic that you have to find innovative ways to work around. Regardless of the fact that some people manage to do it, it’s still extremely unbalanced when you’re alone against a thief. I have no idea what Anet was thinking when they designed the class this way, but it’s too late (I think) to do anything about it now.

Coming from a player who thinks Mesmer (A class that can’t be buffed or else it will be cancer) is balanced and takes skill once you understand the game.

Thief takes more skill than Mesmer any time of the day. Cause at least Thief can’t provide boon stripping/condition cleanse on a large scale in top of FAIL SAFE CLEAVE in team fights.

Could do Defiant Stance and heal off of retal in PvP. But that’s legitimately niche, off-hand Mace is better in EVERY WAY. That’s if you already have a shield.

ANET has always been doing FOTY BS. They’ve done this before and obviously right after Warrior’s Frenzy got nerfed. They DID NOT compensate that nerf properly and I’m still really mad about that. Now they’re doing the same thing to Ele in which the old Signet of Restoration would be balanced at this point.

And even if they did bring back the old Ele, the game would still be a game where everyone is aiming for time-outs and not kills. Its getting redundant and ANET refuses to accept that they are WRONG for doing this.

Should Thieves and Warriors get nerfed without being careful, Mesmer will become a cancer class again. Would be great if Mesmers had higher risk in attacking because before things such as zerker stance even came into existence, EVERYONE knew that Mesmer was the most tanky class without investing in toughness or soldier amulet.

But w/e, people who think being able to have Zerk Stance, Balanced Stance, Endure Pain while attacking is fair ruined this game anyways. Don’t even get me started on Mesmer Phase Retreat, people who think that’s a balanced skill most likely fail on games that don’t have “nine-lives mechanics.”

Cancer class will remain cancer. Instead of buffs a re-work would be better. Or keep them nerfed to the ground DPS-wise.

Allie please. This isn’t what happened befo..

Oh yeah. This game’s beyond salvation. Devs are actually lying so hard that EVEN YOU would waste time trying to convince people otherwise. Despite the patch notes from months ago being WAY TOOO FAITHFUL from the leaked patch notes that came out before each patch notes that I am talking about.

This is where the community dwindles.

And no if you try out staff Necro without greater marks AND THEN you take greater marks, the AoE marks will increase. Trust me, its actually 120 in-game.

So did Elementalists and Mesmers a year ago. Do I see a pattern?

Yeah I know, the game was more fun a year ago even though Elementalist and Mesmer were both cancer classes. But that isn’t the point, my point is ANET’s balancing is stagnant and borderline not innovative.

Also when I said bleeds his only source of damage, I meant he has no means to “lock down” someone down with conditions at least with that spec due to how it has no hard CC.

People can cast cleanses even when they’re immobilized you know.

You know whats bad about this build though? With enough team cleanse (e.g Null Field, Guardians, and SPECIALLY Bunker Warriors) you CAN BE IGNORED. No CC and bleeds are your only source of damage. What do you do other than immobilize people without being able to interrupt? Be a walking HP bar at the highest form of “competitive play” if that even existed?

Warriors exist for their threat level really. But what do you do once people figure out how to ignore that cheesy cancer spec vs. pubs only?

Also he isn’t even using Fear Me. Like seriously? You can save people and set up kills with that shout.

Pub-stomper build/10

Acandis.3250:

It’s like… why go to a chinese restaurant that chinese people don’t go to?

My god. This analogy is pretty bad. Not as bad as the ANET devs though in terms of balancing skills.

Better yet, why not be straight forward and say whats the point of playing this game when the devs refuse to learn from mistakes and are in denial?