Guild Wars 2

I thought people wanted the expansion and nothing else. Living Story and feature packs suck, remember?

Page post fix again.

Oh I’m not excusing that behavior. I find it despicable. But to use the excuse that was used after is kind of telling too.

That’s all.

Yeah, Triple Trouble still gives people headaches. Don’t know why, but people seem more interested in Tea Kettle than the worms. Probably the difference in the rewards.

For someone who keeps saying stop making sweeping generalizations, you sure do that a lot yourself.

This:

I’m going to leave this conversation now, because anything I say at this point would likely get me infracted.

tells me you’re taking it way too personal.

Your recent postings tell me as much as well. Like you feel the need to defend your guild. As if I pointed out those members or something.

Again, I don’t know you or them.

Now, please, let us return to the topic at hand.

Mirta.5029:

from the first post it seems like knowledgeable players attacked first and others retaliated.

And this was the response:

“why didn’t you explain us what to do! oh you’re so pro! this is a bad community!”, and things degenerated from there.

Therein lies the topic’s question.

That’s not the issue, Mirta. The issue is that players complained the event failed because someone didn’t tell them how to do it. And those players didn’t ask.

I’m not saying go into every zone with full knowledge of how it works. Hardly. But I am saying, if you participate in a raid that has a specific mechanic, it behooves you to know what you’re doing.

I don’t think that’s too much to ask if you want success.

There’s no need to get hot under the collar because we disagree on a topic. Especially on an MMO forum. It’s not personal, just opinion.

That said, keep in mind, we’re not talking about your guild or its members. We’re talking about people who only needed to ask the question and would’ve got their answers.

That’s all.

I still respect you as a poster on these forums. I just disagree with your opinion on this matter. My apologies if you feel I’m taking some personal dig at you and yours.

Honestly, we don’t know each other. So why would I take it personal? You shouldn’t either.

But, all this noted, I’ll grant you that a player not having the desire to look something up, whether unwilling, incapable, or unaware is one thing . . . but to not even have the ability to ask a question, whether in private or chat, is just self-defeating in an event where knowledge and communication is key.

So they don’t know to look up the information, are too afraid to ask, and are shocked it failed?

Again, my apologies, but those people can’t complain then.

(laugh) I like you Tao.

Oh come on, Vayne. Now they have social phobias? In an MMO? And they’re too afraid to ask in chat? They weren’t afraid to show some lip when the event failed.

Even you have to know you’re stretching now.

Completely agree.

Sadly, no, but I look forward to the insight and commentary from those that do.

It’s not a question of requirement, but ease. For example, watching a video or guide that tells you exactly where those gold coins are is much easier than randomly searching everywhere.

Granted, if you’d rather randomly search, that’s up to the player.

The issue this thread asks is: why didn’t you look it up or ask the players around you?

No one expects anyone to be the Gyro Gearloose of the Internet. And saying someone is unaware of how the Internet works, while playing an MMO, is just not going to cut it in this day and age. No matter how colorful, or sympathetic, you paint it.

The problem is that group of people didn’t even bother to ASK the question.

They expected to be lead, as another poster put it ‘like sheep’, by everyone else in the know. And then pointed fingers when that didn’t happen.

Again, all they had to do was ask. If even that’s too much of a requirement these days, then there’s the OP’s answer right there.

Colorful stories about someone’s ignorance on how the Internet works, again while playing games on it, is a moot and nonsense point.

Ask the question before the event. You’ll get the answer.

Edit:

I’ve very rarely seen casuals who don’t know any better going into an event and failing it and then saying why didn’t you tell us. There’s no reason to even say that if someone doesn’t accuse you of something. It makes very little sense.

Frankly, I’m not buying it.

I’ve seen it. Not recently, mind. About two or three weeks ago, I think. No, it didn’t make sense, as I’ve alluded to with these posts, but it certainly happened.

Failure to get that loot brings out the monster in many.

What Conski said. I had the same problem the first time I did this event. I had no idea the shadows were dousing the flames I ignited.

All you have to do is kill the ones that spawn after the torch is thrown. Should be a walk after that.

Zok.4956:

I think you misunderstand players that just do not want to play the way you want.

Keep in mind, the players in the OP’s example screamed, “Why didn’t you tell us?!” after the event failed.

May I ask this question?

Where to you think the players who knew what to do originally learned? Yes, through experience and research.

It doesn’t strike anyone as a tad hypocritical for those players to scream what they did, but demand others look up, learn, and lead them into success? Because they couldn’t or wouldn’t be bothered to do the same for themselves?

Please think about what you guys are saying.

VaLee.5102:

Did this game turn that casual and brainless that everyone is expecting to be carried for free loot?

Well, VaLee, I don’t think I could’ve provided a better answer or example to your question if I tried.

Moving on.

Silalus.8760:

Mine are:

• Playable Skritt
• Playable Skritt
• Playable Skritt
• Playable Skritt
  and
• Playable Skritt

(laugh) At least you’re consistent.

Vayne.8563:

Playing an MMO takes you online. Using the Internet isn’t the same thing. SOme people still reach for a phone book because they don’t realize you can get the white pages. He’s not even playing an MMO on the Internet. He’s playing an MMO online which isn’t quite the internet. He didn’t have to open a browser to play this game which he likely bought in a brick and mortar store.

Intolerance is intolerance, no matter how you slice it.

Are you serious? I mean . . . really? Are you?

Um . . . Vayne. He’s playing an MMO on the Internet. That excuse isn’t going to fly.

What part of ‘Ask’ did you miss?

Edit (OP):

Which leads me to my gripe with this: why can’t players take 5 minutes to read the wiki or ask other players before an event starts about the tactics involved?

1. Jellyfish on land pet.
2. A way to stop random, guild invites for good.
3. An open all/use all option.
4. That the Trading Post’s ‘selling too fast’ error be removed.
5. The ability to sell bloodstone material and blade shards on the Trading Post.

Pretty much what Harper and Blaeys said.

Yeah, I’ve had similar frustrations with this collection. Pretty much given up on it for now for the reasons you stated among many.

I’ve never had an issue except during the Karka event back in the day. But I do have a pretty up-to-date computer. No frame degeneration even with a raid of people spamming special effects.

Visuals all set to max.

You misunderstand.

Those people want those of us, with experience and knowledge, to carry them through the event. Because they couldn’t bother to take a moment to learn or even ask the question. At this point, most players presume the majority understand how the Vine-boss works . . . given it’s been around a month now.

When it failed, chaos ensued according to the OP.

Ignoring them isn’t the issue. No one is blaming the player base. Or think them lame or unsavory.

It’s a question of common sense. Which is again the OP’s point: all they had to do was ask if they didn’t understand how the event worked.

Others would’ve told them.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

It’s a game. Not a job. I studied for my work. Why should anyone study to have fun in their down time? I’m not saying people shouldn’t try to help. But really, I see this so often on the forums. BE AWESOME OR GET OUT. If other players make you that upset, you should play a single player game maybe.

It’s an MMO. No one HAS to bring an A-game. Some may not care. Some may not know. Some may not speak your language. Some may be 8 yrs old, some may be 78. That’s just the way it’s going to be.

And if that’s the case, no one should complain when said event fails. And they certainly should not be screaming, “You should’ve told us what to do!” However, we know that’s also not going to happen given previous evidence and experience.

Which is the point the OP is making.

It’s not ‘be awesome’. It’s at least ‘be prepared’. And I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

No thank you to this idea for the various reasons stated.

I must admit, I thought the same as Charrbeque. Report it and move on. Keeping track of that player kind of screams vindictive, if not a bit obsessive.

All said, I promise you the moderators look into such reports.

We just don’t get to know how each report is dealt.

Page error fix.

Point. But why wouldn’t a player bring their A-game? Wouldn’t it behoove a player to at least look? Heck, there are videos that show how to do such things, step-by-step, with annotations.

I’m not the greatest player in the world, but even I know to look before I leap.

Am I the only one finding it ironic that certain players expect someone else to do the research to lead them to success?

“Tell us what to do!”

Um . . . so you want us to do the research, learn the mechanics of the fight, and then type all this out before said fight, and during, because those players cannot be bother to learn the correct methods themselves?

. . .

I’m pretty casual too, but that’s downright lazy. Sorry. Even I look to see how best to benefit the raid before specific fights.

Again, bringing this back to topic, that’s just common sense if you want success.

Yes, but we don’t know what the punishment was if any. It might have been anything from a warning to a day ban or more depending on prior violations.

Honestly, we don’t know because the moderators won’t share such information because of privacy issues.

Beldin.5498:

So why do you expect more people to read the wiki or Dulfy ?

I never said I ‘expect’ anyone to do anything. However, I did say if you want to be more successful, it behooves a player to do the research or have a clue as to what they’re doing.

To me, that’s just common sense too.

Not to point out the irony of this entire thread now, given your original and then recent posts, but please read the link Olvendred provided.

VaLee.5102:

It’s not the AoEs themselves that are forbidden, it’s the risk associated with them in a pug.

That’s not what you said. You said ‘No AoEs’, and then cited examples of other players doing them.

You asked your question and got your answer. Now let’s return to the topic at hand.

The ‘no AoE’ around red and ’don’t kill ads’, also at red, is a myth. . . .

You can and should kill the adds, just not around the boss is all. The bubbles specifically. Have someone draw them, and it, away from the boss. It’s part of the reason it was so easy to kill the red boss, back in the day, but recently it seems so hard.

Incorrect advice.

Ouch.

Ashen.2907:

And finally, I dont think that wiki, or any outside site, should be necessary for event completion/success.

It’s not necessary. But it does help. Therein lies the difference between increasing your success or just rolling the dice.

Avster.1935:

Why are you so haunted by raids? It’s not going to be a conventional raid.

Before you reply, please read the previous posts that I’ve made on this thread. I’m naturally curious.

A valid question. Here’s the answer: World of Warcraft.

The raiding system created a culture of unbelievable elitism. Select ‘guilds’ would be dominated by a clique of people. They used the guild’s numbers to buffer their chances to attain shiny loot and bragging rights.

And once they got all that loot for themselves?

Move onto the next raiding content with new and better loot.

You can believe me when I tell you these people created an environment so toxic, so negative, it killed any future interest in raids. And then their drama spilled over into chat, forums, and other media.

Yes, I’m looking at you Argent Dawn and Blackrock.

Chest-thumping and ego-wrangling in public while butt-snorkling, to stay in the good graces of the clique, in private.

And for what? An electronic piece of armor, or whatnot, that doesn’t even exist.

No to raids. Ever. I don’t want to see that chaos, of the haves versus the have-nots, controlled by an elect few, in Guild Wars 2.

Bad enough some ‘commanders’ think they’re leadership material because they spent 100 gold . . . but that’s another topic.

I typically did, when I ran through Silverwastes, the same. Gave the needed tips in map and repeated them when the event happened in my lane in /say . . . and yet. . . .

I’ll admit VaLee has a point. After all this time, I’m kind of surprised everyone doesn’t the know the mechanics by now.

Artemis Thuras.8795:

Sounds like a case of entitled children expecting it to be spoon fed to them when it suits.

Sadly this is more common than common sense. I don’t what’s with this aversion to doing a little research before an event, but it’s also common.

Sites like Dulfy are a godsend, but useless if the players don’t partake. Yet, all that said, I’m still trying to tell players to stop standing in the big red circles.

And yet . . . they don’t. They die. And then they beg for a rez . . . with a waypoint within sight.

Draw your own conclusions.

Never.

Yes, the Chinese tend to say either Goat or Sheep. While Koreans tend to say Ram. But it’s all the same in context. In the United States, it kind of like saying soda, pop, or Coke.

It’s all just regional speak for the same thing.

Ugh . . . this thread just makes my skin crawl. Again, no for the many, many valid reasons people posted.

Just no.

That would be a good idea. That way people can get the item year round if they have the laurels. You should suggest it.

I’m not really keen on this idea. But, if people want it, I wouldn’t object.

No doubt. Just hope it isn’t another crafted item. They was they introduced the Star was outstanding.

Edit: Though I will admit, maybe a touch unfair for those who couldn’t be around for whatever reason. But, if I had to guess, next Wintersday it’ll be back.

So far, we haven’t heard of anything. I’m still hoping for something besides Mawdrey II.

If I had to guess, I think the majority of their resources focused on Living Story and the two holidays, and only two, holidays we had prior: Halloween and Christmas.

As little as we got, I’m surprised there’s backlash for this holiday even being in game.

But I guess I shouldn’t be.

Your last two lines, in your original post, are quite abrasive and confrontational. But your call. Only a suggestion.

Excellent observation, Astral.

Excellent point, Khal. But, man, I’m stepping away from this thread before a moderator nukes everything in sight.