Guild Wars 2

Sariel V.7024:

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Undiscovered, and somehow not datamined by this point?

Depends on what you are referring to. It might not be possible to datamine combinations. The resulting items can be examined.

And wouldn’t they have slots in the wardrobe? (thus I would guess it’s not a skin)

counterexample . However, all previous forgeables did show up in the wardrobe.

You can’t or at least that’s what I took from That_Shaman’s post on reddit.

See if this helps.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dredging-up-the-Past-bugged

Khisanth.2948:

Ayrilana.1396:

1) So because something doesn’t work as intended sometimes then this means it should be removed without regard to the impact its removal would have? I disagree.

The removal would be a slight improvement at least especially with the cases where the mob is happily swinging at you or shooting you with no problem but the game still thinks you are attacking from a safespot. I get that one frequently with the harpies in the uncategorized fractal.

2) They reset because they are leashed to a certain location. Don’t attack them outside of that area and don’t attack them from an area the boss can’t path to.

It’s also inconsistent which combines poorly with invisible leash ranges.

Then we have mobs any sort of charge/dash attack such as risen abominations. They can just run out of their own leash range on their own and then reset. In the case of abominations they are also immune to effects that would allow you to prevent them from running out of their own leash range.

3) I don’t remember ever seeing this.

You are not running Arah often enough.

1) No. The restriction is there for a reason. Removing it will just exacerbate the problem.

2) You pull them away from their spawn point and fight them near the edge of their leash range. That’s your own fault. There is a certain abomination boss in Arah where I have seen people do exactly this and cause it to leash back. None of the bosses will reset when you’re fighting well within their leash range unless you do something to lose aggro such as stealth or on somewhere that it cannot path to.

3) It’s been awhile since I’ve run Arah but some enemies do have long leashes with blink skills. Just look at nobles.

The undiscovered ones likely use account bound items from karma vendors and have similar recipes as known ones which may be why they’re gone so long without being found.

TheGrimm.5624:

Ayrilana.1396:

TheGrimm.5624:

Ayrilana.1396:

What could you possibly fill 12 bank tabs with?

Anything and everything that doesn’t allow stacking.

The question was more along the line of how and why someone would need that much space unless they were a serious hoarder (ignoring items being held as investments).

Investing is a major impact on this. So are items like Black Lion Salvage kits. You get even more than 1 of these and you are losing space somewhere. Get 50+ and then its even worse. Let alone if you are acquiring material for mas crafting or other activities. And yes then there is the junk or siege or boosters…fills up fast.

There are people that hold onto items that they’ll likely never use.

1) So because something doesn’t work as intended sometimes then this means it should be removed without regard to the impact its removal would have? I disagree.

2) They reset because they are leashed to a certain location. Don’t attack them outside of that area and don’t attack them from an area the boss can’t path to.

3) I don’t remember ever seeing this.

TheGrimm.5624:

Ayrilana.1396:

What could you possibly fill 12 bank tabs with?

Anything and everything that doesn’t allow stacking.

The question was more along the line of how and why someone would need that much space unless they were a serious hoarder (ignoring items being held as investments).

Wolf Rayet.4073:

Ayrilana.1396:

What could you possibly fill 12 bank tabs with?

I can see it happening easily. I’d be in the same boat as the OP, if it didn’t go the more economical rout of buying character slots to use as mules.

OP, you should really consider using mules. Much higher space/gem ratio if you fill them up with the cheap 20-slot candy corn bags.

Only if you have a hoarding problem.

As far as caps go, I don’t see any reason that it couldn’t be increased.

What could you possibly fill 12 bank tabs with that you feel you would absolutely need and would not qualify as being a hoarder?

I’m against suggestions 1 and 2 as this would not be a good idea. Especially suggestion 1 at the quantities you listed. I’m okay with suggestion 3 if the quantities are reduced.

Anything that requires XP to progress is farmable. I’m fairly certain that EotM will become one of the best ways to do so due to the frequency of events that you can complete. I also doubt that they would limit the Fractal mastery to FotM only as this would severely prolong how quickly you can progress it as you do not gain as much experience as you would in the open world.

The only thing that I could see them adjusting would be the XP you would get from completing dungeons. Either they would reduce it, remove it altogether, or time-gate it so you only can get it once a day per path per account.

This is how I find most skins, other than search the wardrobe, if I’m wondering what someone is wearing.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Armor

Impulsive.5109:

Beldin.5498:

If you talk about “graphic lag” aka low FPS rates .. no .. server wouldn’t change
anything since that is a client related problem.

What would help is either better hardware on your side, lower graphical options
on your side, or more option to disable certain kind of effect in the client.

Server side problems are more that even with a good ping and no packet loss
you press a key, and wait some seconds until finally something happens.

Also a lot of things that the players wanted are directly related to these things.
For example in the beginning we had “culling” that automatically reduced the
numbers of stuff that was rendered in big fights, however people complained
until it was removed.

Also the main reason for the old condition cap was to avoid that the calculations
that are needed may cause server sided lag.

as far as hardware goes…

i7 5820k
evga 980 ti SC
16gb ddr4

just like u said having high in game options causes low FPS .

perhaps if we raised more money for Anet they could fix that? just talking here..

It’s not a simple fix.

In the meantime, here’s a post on reddit worth reading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2tqf66/guild_wars_2_performance_guide_how_to_get_the/

Graphic lag

Sounds like you want to turn sPvP into a watered down WvW.

I vote no.

There’s no reason to redesign an entire game mode in an effort to eliminate rude players (it wouldn’t work). Especially since there are features within the game just for that.

destroyer scythe

And others:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Collection-Wardrobe-Skin-Bugs-Anomalies/first#post4356433

Actually, could it be one of the Asura structures in Brisban?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSV1O2cDp0I

It’d have to be Metrica based on the textures.

Edit: Or maybe Maelstrom

Or you can get informed and realize that they have not scrapped the Druid elite specialization.

Halan.7931:

CandyHearts.6025:

Because children should go around hating gays, right? Not accepting them?

Maybe those “children” are the smart ones.

Since you need to have straight sex to get pregnant, the existance of children are anti-gay by definition.

Not really but then this is getting off topic.

VaLee.5102:

Wildstar went f2p, same as ESO.

I don’t know about Wildstar but ESO is not the same f2p as GW2. You still need to purchase ESO in order to play it. Just making the clarification.

munki.6402:

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

What a letdown. A letdown after series of letdowns for the proud few Rangers.

I guess we know where Anet’s priorities are.

Why are people assuming this? Anet has set no precedence that they won’t announce an elite spec. They have announced every one. They are even going so far as to announce this one at an event.

There are just some players who always have a negative mindset and will always self-perpetuate it regardless as to whether there is a credible basis or not. You can it today wit’s the announcement of the final PoI and the first thing that came to some people’s mind was that Druid was cancelled.

After it was clarified that it would be revealed at TwitchCon, those same people then go on to complain that it’ll be a short reveal or whatever to reinforce their belief that Anet doesn’t care about their class.

I’ve been seeing this a lot, often by the same people, that at the onset of an announcement they immediately take it negatively and they must express it on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Druid-has-been-removed/first#post5505141

Druid will be revealed at TwitchCon.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Druid-has-been-removed/first#post5505141

Druid reveal at TwitchCon.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Druid-has-been-removed/first#post5505141

Yeah because the cancellation of the POI must mean the cancellation of content. /sarcasm

Behellagh.1468:

Ayrilana.1396:

Mystic.5934:

Ayrilana.1396:

The rate may be lower than a gold per laurel. I tested a full monthly cycle (55) a few months ago and got around 70s each. I’m about to try out 500 laurels within the next week which should produce a more reliable result.

nice, let me know what you come up with. of course, the number will change constantly as the T6 mats change.

I had enough to reach 500 so I went ahead and cashed out. Looks like I can blame the horrible sample size I originally used which is a relief. I’m making slightly over 98 silver per laurel based on a sample size of 500. This is based on the profit projections off the TP using sell prices.

Well assuming even distribution that’s 1.04 g per crafting bag before fees and taxes, 88s after.

I’m not sure where you got your numbers but the 98 silver I got was after fees.

Edit: Never mind. It finally clicked that you weren’t referring to what I got.

Mirta.5029:

google the first beta map and see how it compares to maps next to it. It’s 1/4th the size of a normal map. Even if you want to go with the “buut 3X layers!” argument, they still barely compare to regular GW2s maps, meaning that the number is exactly right. You’re buying a 4 map expansion.

Mirta.5029:

- open world PVEers should be disappointed by both the amount of maps and map size. With some expansion packs adding 12, adding 4 and asking for the full price of the main game again is a big no no.

I’ve actually played on the beta maps for both occasions plus the time we had to farm portal stones. A single layer is about half the size of a regular map. You’re also forgetting that they’re going for quality (with a lot of things to do on each map) versus quantity. But of course if you prefer a dozen maps like what we have now which loses its replay-ability fairly quickly then that’s your choice.

Mirta.5029:

The way that I see and from what I’ve heard, like 3 masteries are ones that you need to fully explore the new maps. You also need them for raiding (both gliding and mushrooms), however they’re pretty grindy. Meaning on average you’ll be stuck on a PVE map 1/3rd the normal size grinding dynamic events just to be able to unlock more of the map, versus horizontal maps where what you see is what you get.

Have you played the final version of the expansion? I only ask because everything you just said is speculation based off on how little we really know. When I was doing Drytop and Silverwastes, I gained levels fairly quickly. I don’t see why these new maps wouldn’t be any different and especially since Anet has stated that they’re going to have a lot for us to do on them. All of the basic masteries to get around can be unlocked fairly quickly. You don’t need maxed masteries in order to progress the maps except for hidden areas and such.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Ayrilana.1396:

Mystic.5934:

Ayrilana.1396:

The rate may be lower than a gold per laurel. I tested a full monthly cycle (55) a few months ago and got around 70s each. I’m about to try out 500 laurels within the next week which should produce a more reliable result.

nice, let me know what you come up with. of course, the number will change constantly as the T6 mats change.

I had enough to reach 500 so I went ahead and cashed out. Looks like I can blame the horrible sample size I originally used which is a relief. I’m making slightly over 98 silver per laurel based on a sample size of 500. This is based on the profit projections off the TP using sell prices.

If you watch those prices for a week, you’ll see a lot of variation by day and by hour.

I think some of the new API-using websites have widgets that keep track of the current values, usually with post-tax, custom sale prices. (They assume, as I do, an even distribution of the 7 mats, with 3 dropping per bag.)

The prices were roughly the same. It was just the composition was better.

Mystic.5934:

Ayrilana.1396:

The rate may be lower than a gold per laurel. I tested a full monthly cycle (55) a few months ago and got around 70s each. I’m about to try out 500 laurels within the next week which should produce a more reliable result.

nice, let me know what you come up with. of course, the number will change constantly as the T6 mats change.

I had enough to reach 500 so I went ahead and cashed out. Looks like I can blame the horrible sample size I originally used which is a relief. I’m making slightly over 98 silver per laurel based on a sample size of 500. This is based on the profit projections off the TP using sell prices.

I’d rather have more content than a new graphics engine.

imsoenthused.1634:

I’ve never understood the point in censoring a forum for adults.

Well a lot of these adults don’t act like it when they’re on the Internet.

snowgim.6327:

The lean does help a bit, but yeah, I would like it if lean forward was automatically activated when you start gliding, it just feels unnatural to have to let go of W and press it again to lean forward.
I’m not sure but it also seemed to me that leaning forward actually reduced the range that you can glide since it uses up the glide bar quicker. Though I guess it will always be shorter range, especially if you got the Advanced gliding so you don’t use up endurance normally.

I wish speed boons also affected gliders. I found myself gliding at every opportunity, even if there was just a slight slope in the ground I’d try gliding down instead of running, and it’s kind of a bummer that speed boons can make you run faster than you can glide.

The problem is how would you go back to neutral where you’re simply gliding? The down arrow is reserved for slowing down to almost a near standstill while using endurance.

I can tell you that the lean technique increases the range although it’s not by much. The first BWE, it was enough to let you get to the mastery point on the little rock formation assuming you did try it and jump against the side until it let you commune.

Torolan.5816:

Ayrilana.1396:

Ayrilana.1396:

Let’s say that if you give me 200G today that in 3 months I will buy you a precursor of your choice but you have 24 hours after we hit that 3-month mark before the your ability to obtain the precursor expires. You’re saying that the deal that you just bought for 200G has no value beyond that 200G simply because you could not be online during that 24 hours to claim your precursor? You’d be wrong.

Actually what you’re describing right now is a scam. If money is exchanged you expect definite results. Meaning that if you put up such a claim I would expect you to send me the precursor, I’m online or not. Else of course that 200G deal has no value if it’s a 50/50 chance of that 200G being just thrown away. Meaning I wouldn’t make such a deal with you. And I’m not making a deal with Anet either, based on future content.

Actually, it’s not a scam. I tried to keep things incredibly simple for you because I don’t think you have had any exposure into the business world. The point being was that deal had a value tied to it regardless as to whether there was a possibility that you may or may not be able to claim it within the 24-hour window.

It´s indeed not a scam, but the joke would still be on the seller, at least in my country.
Let´s take the dreaded wedding cake example:
-A wedding cake delivered on the day of the wedding is a job well done and a happy bride. Had to argue for compensation here.
-A bad wedding cake that gives the flu to everyone. You can ask for compensation because it was bad and did not come as agreed on in the contract, but the contract itself stays valid.
-A wedding cake delivered on the day after the wedding is a mess and has no worth for anyone. Contract is off because the time window was so clearly limited and the purpose was so clear that no right to give back or send it to a later date can save the purpose. Breach of contract.
-A wedding cake not delivered is another story at all and indeed a scam.

With a limited time table of the offer of the precursor being available, there is no such clear purpose. The buyer wants to use it in general, not only on his wedding day or at one special reason. So you can easily give the precursor after getting notified that you´re late. If not, you need to compensate it´s worth or go to court.

Edit: Well, there are some exceptions with foreign goods shipped into your respective country where right on time reigns supreme, but again, the buyer is in a protected position most of the time. Depending on what both parties agreed on, there are safety nets everywhere with business agents snug in between.

I think you messed up when removing some of the quoted posts. The part about me saying it was a scam never happened. That was the other poster that said that.

That example appears weak and unlikely to happen because it was dumbed down so much so that the poster would understand it. It was meant to mirror a call option but I didn’t want to confuse them as I didn’t think they knew what that was.

Exactly what is instantly killing you with no knockdown?

The launchers do not cause KO. It’s likely because of lag.

Green markers wrong on the map how? Which story step?

I recently replied back to someone whose post to me was full of the filtered “kitten”. They were saying something like I was arguing like kittens or without a lot of kittens. I can’t remember their exact phrasing. I responded back by manually typing kitten numerous times in a lengthy post and each mention of kitten linked to a photo of a kitten.

Outside of that instance, I normally don’t type it out. Then again, I don’t really type anything that trigger the filter except for when it’s unintended. You’d be surprised about some of the things that trigger it.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Ayrilana.1396:

Mystic.5934:

I added the bit about Daily login rewards. honestly not sure if I should have it there or not. yes, it gets you gold. but it also isn’t playing the game.

The rate may be lower than a gold per laurel. I tested a full monthly cycle (55) a few months ago and got around 70s each. I’m about to try out 500 laurels within the next week which should produce a more reliable result.

Over long periods of time, I’ve tracked the TP value of the average value of the Heavy Crafting Bag — although it varies, 1g/laurel is a decent rule of thumb.

• That amount depends on selling at a custom price close to the lowest sale offer.
• It ignores fees, which many people do when they report earnings.
• It can vary a lot for small numbers of laurels, since unlucky folks would get a lot more dust or venom than average.

It’s gone down as low as 70s/laurel and as high as 1.4/L — 1g is just easier to type/say and it’s been very consistent over time.

It not including TP fees makes sense and was something I had assumed people had factored in. I was taken by surprise a month or two ago when I was using the laurels to fund something and I wasn’t getting the 1G/laurel rate that I was expecting. In any case, my next account that is due to complete its monthly cycle is on Subday night so I’ll have the numbers then.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

You purchase a 3-month subscription to Playstation Online which you choose to go into effect at the end of this month. Since anything can happen that can prevent you from experiencing some, or all, of your subscription, does that mean it has no value?

Well to begin with some companies will gladly freeze the sub for you.
Furthermore, there’s no maybe’s in what you’re buying there. You’re paying a specific sum to have access to a specific product for a specific amount of time.

Even if to say that buying the expansion gets you access to updates, there’s no guarantee that updates will even be expansion exclusive. For all we know expansions will be set up in a non linear fashion, the story of current dragon will be solved with the current expansion and LS3 will set up the story of the transition into another dragons territory.
In fact you can’t even guarantee that there even will be an LS3. For all we know most of the updates will be made out of seasonal events and things like SAB.

With there being 0 promises given by the devs in regards to updates, how can you claim that any of the HoTs price is update price? You pay for HoTs for exactly what it has right now and what’s promised to come in the immediate future (for example that one and only raid). Its price has nothing to do with future updates that may or may not be exclusive and may or may not come.

Ashen.2907:

Collectible cards (Sports and now CCGs) are an entertainment product that one purchases with a high degree of uncertainty regarding the specifics of what one will get. This uncertainty includes value of the entertainment product. Some cards are worth thousands of dollars (or more) while others have a sell value less than the cost to produce them. Some cards have what could be considered an actual negative value as the time spent throwing them away is worth more than the card itself.

MMOs have no actual value behind accounts though. You could consider HoT as a future investment if you were planning to get all the exclusive content and sell your account off, however selling accounts off is against the ToS.

You’re stil failing to understand concept that I’m trying to explain to you and comment about parts that have no relevancy. At this point, after several posts and half a dozen examples, it’s likely you won’t understand it until you get out into the business world. It’s just disappointing that you cannot understand that future things can still have value regardless as to their certainty or not.

Please stop saying that I’m talking about price. Value and price are not the same thing. Go look it up in the dictionary. It’s a shame that there’s a decent subset of players that are under a misinformed impression that they’re one and the same.

Anet has already stated that all future living story updates will require HoT. Or at least up to the next expansion. They haven’t specifically commented about holiday events but I personally see no reason why those shouldn’t be available to everyone. They’ve also already said that there would be another living story season.

RenaCV.9304:

I wanted to know if there’ll be any rewards to people who bought the core game because the way i see we are just worthless. Since the core game now is given for free to people who buy the expansion and who purchased it is not even getting a little discount that to me is not caring at all to old players…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/new-business-model-equality/page/2#post5436673

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

No. There’s a cut off because you must pay for the next expansion.

And you must pay for Living Story. Your point?

You must pay for the next expansion. The content between HoT and the next expansion is included in the value that you get from purchasing HoT whether or not that content has a cost.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

Actually, it’s not a scam. I tried to keep things incredibly simple for you because I don’t think you have had any exposure into the business world. The point being was that deal had a value tied to it regardless as to whether there was a possibility that you may or may not be able to claim it within the 24-hour window.

even gift vouchers in Europe have to be expiration date free. Else it’s considered a scam.

Read up on call options. This also is nothing like a gift voucher which has a stored value upon purchase.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

Yes, entertainment is not insurance but it doesn’t negate the example I was giving to try and explain to you the concepts of how something can have future value despite there being uncertainty around it.

How to you think businesses decide to expand? When they contemplate adding a new location to they just immediately decide whether they do or not? Or do they plan out what the cost will be, future revenues, potential risks, what a projected return might be, and so on before doing it. The value of that venture is based on projected returns despite their being potential risks that they might not realize some or all of the projected return.

once again now you’re talking about property acquisition and not an entertainment product from a consumers point of view.

And once again you’re failing to understand the concepts. Either that or you’re unable to argue against them so you focus on something that really has no bearing on the argument itself.

But since you’re so fixated on whether something is an entertainment product…

You purchase a 3-month subscription to Playstation Online which you choose to go into effect at the end of this month. Since anything can happen that can prevent you from experiencing some, or all, of your subscription, does that mean it has no value?

Let’s say that on October 3rd, a freak accident happens and destroys all of your things and you can no longer access the Playstation Online network. Does that mean that at the time of your purchase that you purchased something that had no value?

I’ve kept this even simpler than the last examples and tried to keep it related to an “entertainment product” since you’re so fixated on that and that things cannot share the same concept. It’s like I’m trying to explain how gravity works when it pertains to an apple to illustrate how it works for an orange but you try to negate what I say because an apple is red and an orange is orange. Something that has no relevancy to what’s being explained.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

You had the opportunity to have the content for free but you chose to forego it for whatever reason. The cost of the future living story episodes isn’t necessarily included in the cost of the expansion.

original statement that I was arguing against.

It does have value which is what I said after that. If you hadn’t split my single argument into two then you would have seen that.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

What we do know is that those episodes have a value, and since having the expansion is a prerequisite to obtain them, they’re part of the value that you get by purchasing the expansion.

that’s like saying that because the previous expansion is a prerequisite for the next expansion, the next expansion is part of the current expansion’s value. Which it isn’t.

No. There’s a cut off because you must pay for the next expansion.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

Let’s say that if you give me 200G today that in 3 months I will buy you a precursor of your choice but you have 24 hours after we hit that 3-month mark before the your ability to obtain the precursor expires. You’re saying that the deal that you just bought for 200G has no value beyond that 200G simply because you could not be online during that 24 hours to claim your precursor? You’d be wrong.

Actually what you’re describing right now is a scam. If money is exchanged you expect definite results. Meaning that if you put up such a claim I would expect you to send me the precursor, I’m online or not. Else of course that 200G deal has no value if it’s a 50/50 chance of that 200G being just thrown away. Meaning I wouldn’t make such a deal with you. And I’m not making a deal with Anet either, based on future content.

Actually, it’s not a scam. I tried to keep things incredibly simple for you because I don’t think you have had any exposure into the business world. The point being was that deal had a value tied to it regardless as to whether there was a possibility that you may or may not be able to claim it within the 24-hour window.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

You’re also mistaken that you cannot put value on something that has some uncertainty in the future. It’s done all the time in the business world. Just look at car insurance. Based on a myriad of factors and analytics, you’re given a price for an insurance policy. At that point in time, that’s what it is worth. It can change in the future for better or worse but it still has a value at that point in time.

Entertainment product is not insurance. You pay money for entertainment. Entertainment that you’ll get right now. It’s like someone trying to sell you a 60$ movie ticket saying “you can not only see the movie today, but also maybe watch the sequel that will maybe come out sometime that you could potentially get for free if you come into the theater at a specific date and then maybe the sequel that will maybe come out even later!”. There’s no guarantee that the sequels will come. There’s no guarantee that you’ll like the movie and there’s no guarantee that even if you liked the movie and the sequels did come that you’ll like them.

There’s no dates, no promises in that sentence. There’s just a lot of maybes. You don’t take in “maybe something awesome will happen!” into a consideration when you’re buying an entertainment product. You go “is this movie with 60$ right now?” and that’s what you base your purchase of.

Yes, entertainment is not insurance but it doesn’t negate the example I was giving to try and explain to you the concepts of how something can have future value despite there being uncertainty around it.

How to you think businesses decide to expand? When they contemplate adding a new location to they just immediately decide whether they do or not? Or do they plan out what the cost will be, future revenues, potential risks, what a projected return might be, and so on before doing it. The value of that venture is based on projected returns despite their being potential risks that they might not realize some or all of the projected return.

Mirta.5029:

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s part of the expansion whether you want to believe it or not. Whether it’s temporary, or it’s free for only two weeks, doesn’t matter. The HoT as an inherent value which includes all future living story releases up to the next expansion. As an example of something outside of the game, based on your reasoning, call options have no value which is false.

let’s say that you bought HoT and took a break. All sorts of things happen after all. You come back and now you have to buy the first 2 chapters of LS3. If updates were included into expansion price, you wouldn’t have to.

Same way that seasonal events and temporary special events are never part of an MMOs price, as you could have easily missed them. You pay for what is there upon buying the product that you bought and what will inherently not to go away if you took a break.

Though on the forums of MMOs with permanent updates, still nobody says that future updates are part of the expansion’s price. Because you simply can’t put a price on something which you don’t know the quality, nor the quantity of, even if they are expansion exclusive.

You had the opportunity to have the content for free but you chose to forego it for whatever reason. The cost of the future living story episodes isn’t necessarily included in the cost of the expansion. Nobody but Anet knows the answer to that. What we do know is that those episodes have a value, and since having the expansion is a prerequisite to obtain them, they’re part of the value that you get by purchasing the expansion.

Again, you’re thinking that because something can me missed due it being temporary, that it has no value. You’re still incorrect. Let’s say that if you give me 200G today that in 3 months I will buy you a precursor of your choice but you have 24 hours after we hit that 3-month mark before the your ability to obtain the precursor expires. You’re saying that the deal that you just bought for 200G has no value beyond that 200G simply because you could not be online during that 24 hours to claim your precursor? You’d be wrong.

You’re also mistaken that you cannot put value on something that has some uncertainty in the future. It’s done all the time in the business world. Just look at car insurance. Based on a myriad of factors and analytics, you’re given a price for an insurance policy. At that point in time, that’s what it is worth. It can change in the future for better or worse but it still has a value at that point in time.

Mirta.5029:

IndigoSundown.5419:

It seems that the pricing includes whatever comes with the release day patch, plus whatever is added thereafter. Other games’ expansions sometimes include later free releases as well, but the games I’ve seen that do this, there’s also a sub.

A bit of a lengthy post that I made a page before:

Mirta.5029:

point is, you can’t include ANY temporary or temporarily free event into “this is what veterans got” and at the same time you can’t include such content into “this is what comes with the expansion”, because weather or not you got it would depend on were you there.
As opposed to majority of other MMOs updates (that are not seasonal events). Take for example FFXIV. Every patch for ARR they added 3 new dungeons, every second patch they added new raid turns and every second patch they added casual content such as dailies and their casino called “The Golden Saucer”. A person that would buy the base game now, would get all of it. A person that was subbed at the time of the patch got it. And a person that wasn’t there at that point will still find the content there when they return. That’s the sort of game where you could say “expansion price includes further patches”, because most further patch content will be expansion content.
However even then people don’t judge the expansion’s worth on what’s to come. They judge it on what is there. The same way that they don’t judge the game on all the temporary events that it had, they judge it on permanent content that you get after that one purchase. Therefore going “buy HoT for future living world” is as wrong as it can get.

point is, if what’s on offer right now is appealing to you, go for it! However you can’t say that price includes future updates, because so far majority of the updates were either temporary, or pay if you missed it kind of deal, which suggests not free and not included with the fee of the expansion. If they change their strategy for season 3, then the “LS price is included” statement could stand.

It’s part of the expansion whether you want to believe it or not. Whether it’s temporary, or it’s free for only two weeks, doesn’t matter. The HoT as an inherent value which includes all future living story releases up to the next expansion. As an example of something outside of the game, based on your reasoning, call options have no value which is false.

You could tie each quest to a collection and have it reward something such as a mini. They’re already doing something similar for the precursor collection(s). You interact with something and get a little snippet about its history/lore. This snippet is also available in the collection once you’ve unlocked it in case you want to read it again. I keep thinking of the black moa quest in GW1 which I see was already referred to

Ancelas.8216:

Ayrilana.1396:

Ancelas.8216:

As they’re currently implemented, Hearts have you working in a limited area for a specific task – namely helping out the NPC perform some task. Is there room in the game – or could the game benefit from – a system that sends players trekking across a map, or multiple map, to uncover information for an NPC? The Living Story does a good job of it on a grand scale, furthering the primary plot of the game, but there are side characters, side plots, and background information that could benefit by some low-key attention. Would it be better for the game to leave them in the background until a major plot point require them or would it be interesting to explore those stories between updates?

Yeah but you’re doing the same thing in that limited area as you would be if you had gone outside of the map.

Perhaps. Given how people treat the hearts – like you said, players tend to power through them – do you think that a system that would push players out of the map and back, revealing more information about the history of the world/actions of the side-characters/etc would be similarly overlooked and potentially pointless?

I’m not against additional content so doing something like that could be interesting.

MisterOiZo.4359:

Okay, let me get this straight: You like one thing over the other thing, but some people tell you to not do your thing, so now you want Anet to force everyone to do the one thing you like? hmm to me you just sound like the guys that want you to do their thing…

Yeah. That’s how a lot of these solutions end up being for the problems that they think exists. They always end up being hypocritical. You’ll often see the same line of reasoning in the anti-meta, anti-skipping, anti-stacking, anti-berserker, and etc threads.

Ancelas.8216:

As they’re currently implemented, Hearts have you working in a limited area for a specific task – namely helping out the NPC perform some task. Is there room in the game – or could the game benefit from – a system that sends players trekking across a map, or multiple map, to uncover information for an NPC? The Living Story does a good job of it on a grand scale, furthering the primary plot of the game, but there are side characters, side plots, and background information that could benefit by some low-key attention. Would it be better for the game to leave them in the background until a major plot point require them or would it be interesting to explore those stories between updates?

Yeah but you’re doing the same thing in that limited area as you would be if you had gone outside of the map.

The quests you have are the 301 or so hearts. A lot of people don’t even speak to the heart NPC so they don’t know the story behind what they’re doing along with it coinciding with any dynamic events within the vicinity.

Sol.6213:

Zalladi.4652:

Interview

After the announcement of HoT, many players were concerned that the old game content would be left in the dust. Unfortunately, that is partially true. But Johanson wanted to reassure players that even though there is a lot of focus on the new HoTness, events like Halloween will still continue and patches will still come to the old game. Johanson believes that there will be plenty to do in the old game for free players. – Source

“Halloween will still continue” doesn’t give a date folks. Continue in 2016 is a possibility.

Doesnt matter. Look into the context of what was being asked.