Guild Wars 2

Verdant Brink is not the only map in the expansion.

Kitsune.1902:

Ayrilana.1396:

Yeah. And as in one of the examples that I gave, those who only buy one item in a buy 2 get 2 free deal are getting a worse deal that those that take up the offer. That’s kind of how it works. I have also brought up when they sold the game for $10 kne weekend or sold the deluxe upgrade for half price. All vet players who bought those at full price got the worst deal.

I do have a question for you though. If the prices for all three packages were reduced by $20, would you have any issue at all?

However this has absolutely nothing to do with voluntarily passing a ‘buy 2 get 2 free’. This is ‘buy 1 get 1 free’, except that the offer doesn’t apply to those who have an existing account. And that is the issue here. Furthermore the ‘free’ portion is distinctly targeted to one subgroup of the target audience, and meanwhile would have little value to the rest even if it was offered (e.g. separate key for core game).

Doesn’t really matter how you want to twist it, the fact is the deal is significantly better for new players, than it is for existing players. And it’s plain and obvious that it’s deliberately made to be so. That’s where the feelings of unfairness come from.

I’d read my posts again. Those were examples of similar to this one and they don’t have to be exact to apply here. The point was to show that the price of the item remained the same and that the company was not transferring their “losses” to the customer. The same goes for my other examples. This all came about because of people who don’t understand how these things work and why a company would do something like this and appear to take a “loss” without passing it on to the customer.

It doesn’t matter whether a certain segment of the player base was targeted. This isn’t the first time that companies have targeted new accounts and certainly won’t be the last. There’s no reason that every type of promotion they do must also benefit existing accounts in some way. I’m sorry that you feel that this is unfair but not everything has to revolve around existing players.

sinican.9250:

Ayrilana.1396:

sinican.9250:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

More like you and folks like you haven’t competent critical thinking skills, or just aren’t educated enough to realize nothing is “free” in business.

Those “free” core games that are included do have a cost. The cost is the value they would have made on the core game hadn’t it been included in the bundle. The bundle’s pricing IS reflective of the costs being passed on to the consumer under the guise as something free. They are manipulating the information in a way that makes the core game appear free to those who may innocently trust ArenaNet a little too much, or who are unable to get beyond the gimmick, hype, anticipation, excitement, etc.

Also, your argument is in response to a position that you made up with your poorly structured straw-man logical fallacy. The way you attempt to explain how stupid “they” are is beautiful irony.

I like the idea of making the core game free… to everyone, via digital download; when it doesn’t need to be packaged together with the expansion, because then we know that cost isn’t affecting the price directly.

Sorry but no. The expansion was going to be $50 regardless as to whether the core game was included for free to new accounts or not. How much cost do you think is remaining from the project they had to develop GW2? It’s a rarity that games cost $180-200 million although that has recently started to change. Let’s assume that GW2 cost $180 million to develop.

They also sold 3 million copies of the game by January 2013 at about $60 each ignoring the price from the collectors edition. That’s $180 million in sales having them break even. Now this is not as simple as I’m making it out to be but this gets my point across. They likely have already made back their investment that they had spent developing the game (ignoring capitalization).

In another thread, I have an example where companies take reduced profit, or even a loss, on one product to increase the sales in another. I believe a sale on hot dog buns was the example that I used where it would lead to an increase in sales for hot dogs. Imagine that!

Please do explain how my argument is a strawman and flawed? Are you just saying so because you either don’t understand it or disagree with it yet couldn’t find an argument to counter it? My examples were to point out a flaw in people’s reasonings when they assume any item on sale must be incorporated in the price of another that is part of it or whatever.

Also, if you want to see a flaw in your logic, go to the GW1 game store and compare the price of bundles compared to the individual games.

NO YOU!. None of that matters, you do realize. Keep being a fanboi. You really are lost.

More red herring logical fallacy BS. Dude get a clue. If you don’t understand a straw man yourself wiki has a pretty explanatory page. Reread your nonsense after reviewing logical fallacies and tell me what is still valid after you are done. Just to clarify your red herring is a besides the point distraction.

So rather than argue against me you’re going to use insults such as fanboi and spout off fallacies that don’t even apply?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

I understand very well how pricing works and I’ll enlighten you. The base game is in all 3 bundles meaning a new player is getting a buy one get one free software package while current players get only HoT.

While this makes it easier and more desirable for a new player to get into the game it’s sending a message to current players that we’re a given to buy it so pay up. I own GW2 so I can continue without HoT I’m not a 100% guaranteed sale for Anet.

Yeah, I know the core game is included as a free bonus for new accounts in all three packages. Yes, it does equate to a buy one get one free situation more or less. I’ve stated this before and it’s fairly obvious.

It’s generally easier to get players who are already playing the game to purchase an e passion compared to new players. There’s nothing wrong with trying to focus on being new players to the game and this doesn’t mean that they’re neglecting existing players.

What is does mean is that New players are getting a far better deal than existing players. I’m being urged to buy a bad deal, that’s the issue.

Yeah. And as in one of the examples that I gave, those who only buy one item in a buy 2 get 2 free deal are getting a worse deal that those that take up the offer. That’s kind of how it works. I have also brought up when they sold the game for $10 kne weekend or sold the deluxe upgrade for half price. All vet players who bought those at full price got the worst deal.

I do have a question for you though. If the prices for all three packages were reduced by $20, would you have any issue at all?

I don’t believe that’s possible as NCSoft priced the expac. Minus the core game the expansion should be between $30- $40 and I’m being generous. I can wait as can others.

The core game isn’t part of the expansion price. I’m still curious though that if NCSoft did reduce the price for all three packages today by $20 and nothibg else, would you have any further complaints?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

I understand very well how pricing works and I’ll enlighten you. The base game is in all 3 bundles meaning a new player is getting a buy one get one free software package while current players get only HoT.

While this makes it easier and more desirable for a new player to get into the game it’s sending a message to current players that we’re a given to buy it so pay up. I own GW2 so I can continue without HoT I’m not a 100% guaranteed sale for Anet.

Yeah, I know the core game is included as a free bonus for new accounts in all three packages. Yes, it does equate to a buy one get one free situation more or less. I’ve stated this before and it’s fairly obvious.

It’s generally easier to get players who are already playing the game to purchase an e passion compared to new players. There’s nothing wrong with trying to focus on being new players to the game and this doesn’t mean that they’re neglecting existing players.

What is does mean is that New players are getting a far better deal than existing players. I’m being urged to buy a bad deal, that’s the issue.

Yeah. And as in one of the examples that I gave, those who only buy one item in a buy 2 get 2 free deal are getting a worse deal that those that take up the offer. That’s kind of how it works. I have also brought up when they sold the game for $10 kne weekend or sold the deluxe upgrade for half price. All vet players who bought those at full price got the worst deal.

I do have a question for you though. If the prices for all three packages were reduced by $20, would you have any issue at all?

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

I understand very well how pricing works and I’ll enlighten you. The base game is in all 3 bundles meaning a new player is getting a buy one get one free software package while current players get only HoT.

While this makes it easier and more desirable for a new player to get into the game it’s sending a message to current players that we’re a given to buy it so pay up. I own GW2 so I can continue without HoT I’m not a 100% guaranteed sale for Anet.

Yeah, I know the core game is included as a free bonus for new accounts in all three packages. Yes, it does equate to a buy one get one free situation more or less. I’ve stated this before and it’s fairly obvious.

It’s generally easier to get players who are already playing the game to purchase an e passion compared to new players. There’s nothing wrong with trying to focus on being new players to the game and this doesn’t mean that they’re neglecting existing players.

sinican.9250:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

More like you and folks like you haven’t competent critical thinking skills, or just aren’t educated enough to realize nothing is “free” in business.

Those “free” core games that are included do have a cost. The cost is the value they would have made on the core game hadn’t it been included in the bundle. The bundle’s pricing IS reflective of the costs being passed on to the consumer under the guise as something free. They are manipulating the information in a way that makes the core game appear free to those who may innocently trust ArenaNet a little too much, or who are unable to get beyond the gimmick, hype, anticipation, excitement, etc.

Also, your argument is in response to a position that you made up with your poorly structured straw-man logical fallacy. The way you attempt to explain how stupid “they” are is beautiful irony.

I like the idea of making the core game free… to everyone, via digital download; when it doesn’t need to be packaged together with the expansion, because then we know that cost isn’t affecting the price directly.

Sorry but no. The expansion was going to be $50 regardless as to whether the core game was included for free to new accounts or not. How much cost do you think is remaining from the project they had to develop GW2? It’s a rarity that games cost $180-200 million although that has recently started to change. Let’s assume that GW2 cost $180 million to develop.

They also sold 3 million copies of the game by January 2013 at about $60 each ignoring the price from the collectors edition. That’s $180 million in sales having them break even. Now this is not as simple as I’m making it out to be but this gets my point across. They likely have already made back their investment that they had spent developing the game (ignoring capitalization).

In another thread, I have an example where companies take reduced profit, or even a loss, on one product to increase the sales in another. I believe a sale on hot dog buns was the example that I used where it would lead to an increase in sales for hot dogs. Imagine that!

Please do explain how my argument is a strawman and flawed? Are you just saying so because you either don’t understand it or disagree with it yet couldn’t find an argument to counter it? My examples were to point out a flaw in people’s reasonings when they assume any item on sale must be incorporated in the price of another that is part of it or whatever.

Also, if you want to see a flaw in your logic, go to the GW1 game store and compare the price of bundles compared to the individual games.

Kityn.8247:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

Then why does it feel like it? And why does so many people agree with me on this?

They don’t understand how sales/promotions work? It’s the same people that would say that a buy one get one 50% off means that each item is 25% off regardless even if you buy only 1. It’s the same people who thing candy single candy bar is half price when you buy only one during a buy 2 get 2 free sale.

Giving the core game is a way to get new players into the game which is important for any MMO. They market the product so that all new accounts from now on will get the core game, plus all previous expansions, by purchasing the latest expansion. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless as to whether they are a new player or veteran so long as they follow the criteria outlined in the promotion.

You also have companies that repackage products together. You often see this with GOTY editions which contain the core game along with all of the expansions. The value that players had when they first bought the game and expansions at their original price is not diminished when someone purchases the GOTY edition at a lower cost.

Kityn.8247:

Extremely horrible pricing model. Paying for something that you already own. I don’t care that GW2 core game comes ‘free’ with HoT. You are basically throwing away an entire account. Current GW2 owners should get something when they purchase HoT other than a throw away account. I would be happy if 2000 Gems came with it.

You’re not paying for something you already own. It’s a free bonus for new accounts/characters.

You’re only buying the game once. The core game is a free bonus for new accounts/players. After this expansion you will see the Living Story seasons resume leading up to the next expansion.

I haven’t heard anything about hearts being turned into actual events although they behave like them on an individual player basis.

There are already many applications out there today that do this and do it very well. I’d rather Anet developed more content than work on something we already have many choices for.

This is just my opinion but thank you for making the suggestion.

Ohoni.6057:

For the record, the points where I fell were: 1. right near the beginning where you jump into the first dingy/flowerbed, 2. where you jump from the lobster onto the boat, 3. where you jump into the lobster’s eyes (I went on to jump to the other whisker, bad move), 4. fell into the bar after the 3rd stash, and 5. fell into the Commodore’s Quarter after halfway through that bit.

I always had issues right before the the 1st chest where you have to slightly jump around a corn onto the gray pot or whatever it is. I kept on missing it. The other jump I would miss a lot was just before the second chest after you dropped down from the white platform. What you listed as third definitely gets me and was always annoying to miss.

Luckily there’s a way to get to the 1st, 2nd, and 4th chests without doing the puzzle or using a mesmer portal. So on the bright side, there kind of are checkpoints in a way.

How would they code each individual item having a “crafted by” name though? I don’t think it would be feasible because how would they store the crafter’s name?

Danikat.8537:

Ayrilana.1396:

I thought I had seen a Jade block in LA recently either before or after the update.

You’re thinking of the Jade Sea fossils that were in the Durmand Priory’s vaults.

Considering there was a lot of Jade in Cantha it’s not at all hard to believe a lot was imported to Tyria before the Ministry of Purity and Zhaitan cut it off.

Alternatively although jade was mainly associated with Cantha in GW1 that could be simply because it was so easily available there (at least since the Jade Wind), and because in real life it’s commonly associated with China and other Eastern cultures and that’s what Cantha was based on. There’s no reason it couldn’t be found in Tyria (and Elona) too.

No. I remember seeing something in LA. It’s a little difficult to confuse LA with Durmond Priory. I’ve been playing GW1 so I’m more likely to confuse that than Durmond Priory which I haven’t been in for months. The only thing that I can think of that I may have gotten the impression, if there wasn’t a jade block in LA, would be when vanquishing one of the maps in Istan.

Tracking.6287:

If the original game is to be included it should come with a separate key so you can give it to your friends and encourage new players to join the game, instead of just upsetting your current loyal players.

Getting the core game for free with the expansion is strictly for new accounts/players only so there’s no need for separate keys.

I thought I had seen a Jade block in LA recently either before or after the update.

JonPeters.5630:

Cheshire.8761:

Are you going to address how you forced characters to train into builds using their hero points without their consent? :o

Why not. Basically there were two options, both with a large number of edge cases.

1) We wipe your stuff and let you respec as you see fit. Because so much had changed this was our initial plan. Here are problems it ran into.

• People return from a long hiatus and don’t remember what they were running
• People log in and the first thing they have to do before they can play is learn both the new unlocking system and the new build system.

2) We look at what you had equipped and unlock the necessary skills and traits to re-equip you. Here were some discussions points around that:

• We might give you stuff you don’t want
• at least this won’t matter for lvl 80s if we make all the unlocks possible by just reaching lvl 80.

There is a third option which I’m sure you will bring up.
3) let players choose
Here are some reasons we did not go with that:

• Its twice the work
• Its actually more than twice the work because it would have required temporarily saving both options until you choose which is more complex technical work.
• People who were unlikely to understand or want to explore the new system were going to be potentially more confused by the choice.

At the end of the day we wanted to ship this build so we had to decide. Based on instinct we erred on the side of helping people we thought would be more overwhelmed by the opposite choice, and I would make that choice again because it has less edge cases, impacts more expert users, and leans towards over unlocking for free to benefit most of the edge cases anyway.

Hope this info helps you understand our process a bit more.

Thanks,

Jon

FalconDance.1637:

Healix.5819:

If they actually split the expansion from the core game, it would still be $49.99 because the core game by itself has no value. What they were selling a prior to HoT wasn’t just the core game, it was the core game + $20 worth of bonuses. Since they were selling it for only $10, that means that the core game by itself legitimately has no value. It’s too cheap to sell, so they repackage it instead.

That is the sad thing. The company is treating the core game as if it has NO value whatsoever – which it must if there is now a pending expansion. There will always be people who don’t really care about guild halls, and much/most of the “expansion” is actually skill re-working that goes into the core game.

What Anet has done is thrown a bare bone to the community wrapped in pretty paper with a bow and expect everyone to believe they really do listen and care about anything except $.

He probably meant it has no cost.

The only time being AFK is a problem in SW is if they’re within an event circle and scaling it up. Otherwise, they have no impact unless it’s over half the map that is AFK. The bosses, and VW, can be killed by a group of players each.

nexxe.7081:

Well, look at this: http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/25/destiny-sells-dlc-extras-separately-prepares-promotion-with-red-bull/

Destiny lowered the price to $20 because their fans didn’t like the bundled packaged.

“Creative Director Luke Smith also apologized for his previous interview on the DLC, saying, “I’m sorry. My words made it sound as if Bungie doesn’t care about their most loyal fans. We do care. We are listening. And we will make it right.” "

Different scenario though. The base game is free and not part of the price unlike the two editions beyond standard for Destiny. What I have been seeing is that players were upset about the collector’s edition because it contained exclusive items that weren’t available elsewhere and players were forced to buy the core game plus existing DLC that they had already bought.

You buy it from the website like you would a new account.

You’d have to start the instances but yes, they can join you.

Cruz De Leon.7201:

Duke Nukem.6783:

thats what a LIVING world is, i didnt get to experience the fall of rome in real life but the italian government has repeatedly ignored my letters suggesting that they invade europe

But the living world season two should give option to new player to introduce with “them” (kasmeer/braham/rox) and should not call us “boss” on first meet. if u know what i mean.

When you start a book or TV series in the middle of a series, are the readers/viewers given a recap of who everyone is? What they should do is write a recap that can be viewed within game of the events that occurred during Season 1.

Alita.9421:

Am i able to pre purchase the expansion for a friend? If so, how does it work?

Buy it through the website and send them the key. I personally haven’t done it with the expansion but I have with the core game.

Xawen.2658:

Benson.9063:

Xawen.2658:

Just to be sure.
A vet player that bought the game 40$ (yes some had, even know one that paid 60$ when the game just got out.) and buy the expension at 49.99$ will have pay a total of 89.99$.
But a brand new player will pay only the 49.99$ (add a 10$ if you want to count the extra character slot for the equivalence, so 59.99$ in that case).
So a vet player would have paid at least 30$ more then the new player in that case…
Sorry, but I don’t see the fairness for loyal players.

I pre-ordered the game at full price (I think it was $60). That was 3 years ago. I’ve been playing the game on and off for 3 years. If they had told me in 2012 that I had the option of paying $60 now + $50 for expansion later, OR I can wait, not play the game for 3 years, but just pay $50, I still would have bought the game 3 years ago at the $60 premium.

As a vet you are entitled. Yes, you are entitled to 3 years of gw2 that a newbie did not get. I want gw2 to grow and I want them to bring in new players because I want to play a game with an active playerbase that isn’t dying out.

I also want them to make $$ to keep their game going and because they have a good product and rightfully should be making their $$. And they can’t just be running on the revenue from selling the base game 3 years ago… they have costs, and people have salaries and kitten. They didn’t just hoard their initial game sales revenue to pay all of that every year, every month etc… they make $ from their cash shop (which i’ve chosen not to use until today and still have enjoyed my game); i’m guessing that’s their primary source of revenue over the past 1-2 years, and the way you keep that constant or growing is with new players.

Thank for your reply, explained that way is a bit more understandable. Just that like I said in a comment after the one you quoted, me and my guild-mates were more expecting an upgrade of currently owned game by elder players, like 10$-20$ to upgrade to the expansion pack, a bit like getting to Digital Deluxe.

I agree with your point, the game worth more than you pay for seeing that way. And we don’t pay normally for the evolution of the story.

I was a little shocked at the price too because I was thinking $30. I rationalized it like that user and for other reasons.

What people on the fence should do is sit down and decide for themselves as to whether the expansion has enough content to keep them entertained to be worth the $50 price. How it compares to the core game or other expansions doesn’t matter.

We, as players, are paying to be entertained so we have to determine if that price is worth it. Many have, many haven’t. If I read correctly, the pre-purchase bonuses will still be available until launch. Players still have until then to determine if they’ll purchase the expansion or wait until a later date to purchase it when it’s on sale.

Elementfury.4632:

Ayrilana.1396:

Elementfury.4632:

Ayrilana.1396:

XYLUM.7286:

I don’t know much about Heart of Thorns, or how much content it will deliver… or when it will deliver any of it.

I do know that they are pushing for people to pay 49.95 for something yet won’t tell us how much we’ll get for that money or when we can expect to get it.

I know that from what has been shown and discussed it doesn’t look like it is going to be worth 49.95 in terms of content, and seems more like a pay wall they are going to lock all future content updates behind

I also know that Fallout 4 is shipping on November 10th of this year, has a price of 60.00 and will be a massive cutting edge game.

Unless Heart of Thorns turns out to be tremendous update, consisting of a AAA title worth of content I will most certainly be spending the extra 10 bucks on the sure thing, and waiting for the 9.95 sale on Heart of Thorns.

How much of Fallout 4 do you know compared to HoT? And did you preorder it? I remember seeing someone else comment about having no issue preordering Fallout 4, which has relatively minimal information released compared to HoT, but refused to pre-purchase HoT due to lack of information. A little shocking after how small New Vegas was.

5$ on a pre-order for fallout 4 which will reduce the overall game in the end, to a 50$ for a game many people already bought doesn’t seem right. I don’t think the majority will spend 100$ on a game and its expac when they already show they do not listen to us.(they say they do but actions speak louder than words)

People already bought HoT and are purchasing it again? Huh?

People have bought GW2. I as many had bought it when it came out. Now we have no choice but to buy the 50$ expansion. I’m guessing but its pretty simple to understand that it would cost less if it were just and expansion. Like many people have said its a great deal for those new players. And a nice slap in the face for the vets. The majority of people would not complain so bad with a 30$ expansion. Its the norm for expansions. 50$ is not and they haven’t in my own opinion shown enough content and have not been “hearing us” as they try to say.

Like I said in this thread or another; how many people had issues when new players bought the game for $10 when it was on sale one weekend? If people had no issues with new players getting the game for $50 discount from what they paid for, what’s another $10?

Test.8734:

Vayne.8563:

SWToR started as a sub game, and you can barely play it without paying the “optional” monthly fee. Hardly an example of good business practices if you ask me. Tell me do you still have to pay to unlock your second skill bar?

Have you tried playing GW2 without paying anything? With the incredibly small bank and the few inventory bag slots, only 5 character slots despite having 8 professions? With ArenaNet’s strong focus in adding far, FAR more skins to the Gem Store than to the game? With the scam-like lottery system ArenaNet uses for people who want to get the weapon skins from the Gem Store?

It’s hardly an example of good business practices if you ask me.

Many people still do and many people have used gold to purchase gem store QoL items.

Part of the challenge is that you run the risk of starting over. At least they provided safety nets (literally in some places) so that you have a buffer for mistakes.

Elementfury.4632:

Ayrilana.1396:

XYLUM.7286:

I don’t know much about Heart of Thorns, or how much content it will deliver… or when it will deliver any of it.

I do know that they are pushing for people to pay 49.95 for something yet won’t tell us how much we’ll get for that money or when we can expect to get it.

I know that from what has been shown and discussed it doesn’t look like it is going to be worth 49.95 in terms of content, and seems more like a pay wall they are going to lock all future content updates behind

I also know that Fallout 4 is shipping on November 10th of this year, has a price of 60.00 and will be a massive cutting edge game.

Unless Heart of Thorns turns out to be tremendous update, consisting of a AAA title worth of content I will most certainly be spending the extra 10 bucks on the sure thing, and waiting for the 9.95 sale on Heart of Thorns.

How much of Fallout 4 do you know compared to HoT? And did you preorder it? I remember seeing someone else comment about having no issue preordering Fallout 4, which has relatively minimal information released compared to HoT, but refused to pre-purchase HoT due to lack of information. A little shocking after how small New Vegas was.

5$ on a pre-order for fallout 4 which will reduce the overall game in the end, to a 50$ for a game many people already bought doesn’t seem right. I don’t think the majority will spend 100$ on a game and its expac when they already show they do not listen to us.(they say they do but actions speak louder than words)

People already bought HoT and are purchasing it again? Huh?

Ang Lobsom.3759:

Where do you get the 4th key piece?

Where the chest used to be from the JP that was removed (NW corner).

XYLUM.7286:

I don’t know much about Heart of Thorns, or how much content it will deliver… or when it will deliver any of it.

I do know that they are pushing for people to pay 49.95 for something yet won’t tell us how much we’ll get for that money or when we can expect to get it.

I know that from what has been shown and discussed it doesn’t look like it is going to be worth 49.95 in terms of content, and seems more like a pay wall they are going to lock all future content updates behind

I also know that Fallout 4 is shipping on November 10th of this year, has a price of 60.00 and will be a massive cutting edge game.

Unless Heart of Thorns turns out to be tremendous update, consisting of a AAA title worth of content I will most certainly be spending the extra 10 bucks on the sure thing, and waiting for the 9.95 sale on Heart of Thorns.

How much of Fallout 4 do you know compared to HoT? And did you preorder it? I remember seeing someone else comment about having no issue preordering Fallout 4, which has relatively minimal information released compared to HoT, but refused to pre-purchase HoT due to lack of information. A little shocking after how small New Vegas was.

It’s near where you get the 4th key piece.

When you buy the game, isn’t that a subscription for the length of time that you play the game?

The UI stays locked until you hit the required level or go through the portal. Same goes for other things that are locked to aid new players ease into the game but can be bypassed.

Doesn’t really matter. Let’s say that new players could get the core game and expansion for $50 between now and a month after it’s released. Would you still complain? Time is irrelevant as those players that took advantage got a better deal than you.

How’s a lot of players getting a better deal than you during a short window any different than a lot of players getting a better deal than you over a longer window? What if the current promotion only lasted a weekend and the number of new players that would have purchased the game after the HoT announcement all purchased the game during that weekend. Would you still feel the way that you do?

Xawen.2658:

Just to be sure.
A vet player that bought the game 40$ (yes some had, even know one that paid 60$ when the game just got out.) and buy the expension at 49.99$ will have pay a total of 89.99$.
But a brand new player will pay only the 49.99$ (add a 10$ if you want to count the extra character slot for the equivalence, so 59.99$ in that case).
So a vet player would have paid at least 30$ more then the new player in that case…
Sorry, but I don’t see the fairness for loyal players.

Game prices depreciate over time in case you hadn’t realized. When the game was marked down to $10, did you make a complaint known to Anet that people were getting the game $30 cheaper than you?

Macs.6814:

Ayrilana.1396:

Macs.6814:

Once upon a time expansions used to cost 40 dollars (Eye Of the North) and came with 2 character slots.

People complained about the price of that just like they do for every expansion that is ever released.

“…..Eye of the North does not feature new professions, but has 18 new “multilevel” dungeons, 150 new skills (50 of them restricted to PvE), 40 new armor sets, and 10 new heroes, in addition to the new items, weapons, and titles….."
Im still not buying HoT until i know exactly what im paying for and/or if it’s worth it but i bet you it doesn’t come close to what Eye of the north had.

Did you play GW1? The dungeons weren’t really that large. The 150 skills is misleading as the combat systems are different with GW2 being more compacted. Armor sets are difficult to do in GW2 because of the different models. In GW1, everyone was human so it was easier. This game doesn’t use heroes either.

I do agree about waiting if the expansion doesn’t apoear to be worth the cost at this time. There’s really no loss by waiting until the day before to make the pre-purchase and get everything we got minus access to the betas.

Alice.5360:

Ayrilana.1396:

Didn’t they change the personal story instances to now use the older maps?

As mentioned in the PS part of my OP, Old LA is featured in personal stories did but personal stories are not repeatable so my toons can not return. Even if they could, however, the instances set in old LA are not the same as the city. As you probably know from your quests, the “map” is just a small fragment of the whole, not explorable and lacking interaction.

Yeah. I made a suggestion to allow players to replay those story steps like we can for all of LS season 2. I figured after that then someone could suggest that they extend the story area in the LA instance to include the whole map.

As the title suggests, it’d be great if the personal story had a replay option similar to how it was done for LS Season 2. Many players enjoy the story and would likely enjoy being able to replay steps at their leisure without having to level another character assuming they have available slots.

Since it’s being replayed, no rewards are given and changes to paths taken (e.g. Order chosen) cannot be changed.

Didn’t they change the personal story instances to now use the older maps?

sirsquishy.8531:

Ayrilana.1396:

They likely won’t provide a release schedule just like they won’t provide a release date for the current expansion.

Release schedules and release dates are entirely different things.

Release schedule is more of a projected road map, much like the AMD/Nvidia/intel release plans. They are estimated quarter’s for that year.

And letting the player base/customer base know that their expansion release schedule is planned per year or every 2 years is something important enough to share IMHO. And maybe add in what their plan is for the roll-up updates in between expansions as well. Many other much bigger companies release road maps like this already and so can Anet/NCsoft.

Not entirely different. The issue is that they did this in 2013 and got flak for “lying” when they couldn’t bring everything they projected for whatever reasons. Just look at precursor crafting. People will hold them to whatever projected release schedule they provide and then get upset if they deviate from it.

Macs.6814:

Once upon a time expansions used to cost 40 dollars (Eye Of the North) and came with 2 character slots.

People complained about the price of that just like they do for every expansion that is ever released.

They likely won’t provide a release schedule just like they won’t provide a release date for the current expansion.

Some people probably hoarded them in anticipation and have been offloading them into the TP.

Someone else who still tracks the markets can probably give you a better answer.

Fenom.9457:

Ayrilana.1396:

Go to DryTop and you’ll see why it won’t return anytime soon.

That’s not true because that was some sort of expedition group, the main base always stays in that one spot. So actually, they’ll need our help more than ever!

I’d read up more about them. They’re nomadic so there’s no central place.

Go to DryTop and you’ll see why it won’t return anytime soon.

They’ll still be doing living story as well so expansions are not the only content although it appears you’ll need the expansion to access them.

Isn’t it like only 2 AP?

I don’t see anything wrong with helping people out in map chat as there is always others that want help but are too kitteno ask. Your best bet if you don’t want spoilers is to turn off the chat filters for map chat.