While I get why they were banned… And I understand the ToS, I can also understand why they thought this would be okay to do—given anet’s long history of being fine with people selling raid clears and achievements.
The competitive nature of sPvP certainly sets it apart, but Legendary Armor and PvE Achievement Titles are devalued every day by people selling them in LFG… I don’t really see how buying your little crown is technically any different from an ethical standpoint.
You didnt really acount share for raid sells and achievements nor did it hapoen with rl money on the line. Also if someone in pve sells raids it doesnt devalue your experience of the raid while when ppl in a competitive environment in a pvp tourney are decieved and lose the match that ruins their experience.
If those people weren’t selling you still would have had to have beaten them on their main accounts to win… It’s not like the top PvP players are just going to sit out the monthly tournament. The only disadvantage you’re at is that you don’t know it’s them, so all the hours you spent studying their twitch didn’t help.
You still played against the top players, so how is your experience devalued? Let’s be honest, the saltiness is because people are buying titles and icon flares that you want or maybe even earned, thus making them seem not as cool—same as legendary armor or Demon’s Demise being purchased.
But the ppl who won the tournay do not deserve ot im fine with getting stomped by a pro team that has put the effort to it. But how is it fone to pay someone to play for you and after wards you being rewarded? They cheat the system by paying real money and ppl who actually tried hard to win.
In pve that doesnt exist because competition isnt a thing. The concept of " the best may win isnt a thing" only in pvp and wvw that would apply. But since ppl are scamming their way to top no longer the best is winning or getting rewarded.
How many people have bought gold to buy legendary weapons, skins, etc?
Pretty much the same thing tbh and I highly doubt Anet is going to ban thousands of players over buying gold and trivalizing their highest PvE rewards
discord.gg/JDw2EaX is the Never Lucky one. Most of the Abjured members have since left that Discord after receiving no sympathy, but I think you’re able to see old messages. Naru still keeps rejoining to kittenpost.
I don’t have an invite link for Rar’s discord, but that’s the other major public Discord where the drama was going down.
That Naru guy seems like a stand up fella I could have long conversations with.
@Lilyanna Most likely, the only reason Naru isn’t responding on the forums is because he’s banned on them. He’s been actively defending his actions in multiple public PvP Discord servers since before they were actually punished, unlike the rest of his teammates who were at least smart enough to keep their mouths shut. You should see the chat going on in those Discord servers, since it’s 10x worse than anything they’ve been saying on the forums.
Invite me to the discord party so I can have “fun” too
Account sharing broke terms of service.
Jebro’s decision as well as community decision.
Make your own tournament if you are unsatisfied with this one.
No proof.
Yet to see proof posted.
So as it looks now the only thing we are seeing is a buncha upset kids about not getting the crown.
Also TOS has zero to do with UGO. They quite frankly broke no UGO rules.
Yes you are correct in one thing though. It is UGO’s tournament and they can do w/e they want, but I’m also a viewer/supporter/donator. Do you think i’m going to follow a league where they ban players on suspicion and zero defining evidence? Do you think I’ll donate money to a cause where a few ppl can ban the actual good players so they can win? And most importantly I don’t want to see sub par matches where we got teams who can’t win a single game in the old NA ESL league actually be relevant b/c all the competition was banned.
Lmfao. What exactly do you think is wrong with my integrity? I think I’ve been incredibly consistent in not putting up with this kitten since the launch of the game, including kicking my own teammates from my weekly tournaments in the past for playing with ineligible players on alts.
And now we know for sure where the inside argument to ban the abjured came from.
Can’t beat em ban em eh Olrun?
As an Admin you needed to take a stance of neutrality and that’s why your integrity is in question.
Jebro Ban Jeffies & Olrun’s team as well it’s the right thing to do, and will save UGO’s integrity to the game.
Thanks
p.s. There’s still be zero defining proof posted anywhere on the web. We’ve seen a video of a inferior team lose the finals and someone asking for a VPN. Zero REAL proof. Besides no one cheated in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t agree. You are enacting punishment on behalf of Anet. Let them fail on their own.
Also what happened did not happen during your tournament and you have no business punishing ppl.
We are not enacting a punishment on behalf of Arenanet.
We prefer to keep the integrity and true spirit of the UGO in tact. This information can also be found in our ruleset. This is a temporary ban.
Then you need to temp ban the players who ran to the public forum crying foul as well along with Olrun’s team.
The integrity of those people is far worse then anything that was done in the AT. The people in the AT at least had the fortitude to be men about what they wanted.
I don’t agree. You are enacting punishment on behalf of Anet. Let them fail on their own.
Also what happened did not happen during your tournament and you have no business punishing ppl.
They have all the business in the world upholding integrity in a tournament who willingly donates money to players (funded by a community).
If you are a prominent, visible part of a community and you take the time to cheat and screw said community with petty actions, why would they keep you around? What example does that set and what does it say about the already struggling competitive scene?
No one cheated who played in the tournament. The integrity of the game was NEVER compromised. The only thing done wrong was some idiots put a price tag on an achievement title. Thats it.
The integrity of UGO is in jeopardy not from the alleged players who took the money, but the people who kittened and moaned to Jebro to d/q ppl so they could win money. See these players aren’t good enough to win it on their own, and have resorted to getting ppl to be d/q’d. Personally they are lower than the alleged team who paid ppl to win the AT.
You know why? Because they were man enough to admit they can’t do, and forked over cash. They didn’t report ppl to anet repeatedly to have them banned so they could win.
Thank you
Removed from the topic itself (I have no comment), this comment is five levels of horseshit and confirmation bias. You can’t just say ‘oh no these people only want them removed because they can’t win’ like you know exactly what they think about. It’s the hardest level of armchair psychology I’ve ever seen.
Please remove your forum signature, you are actually the person here that makes the least sense.
Actually I make the most sense considering that even "not"helseth agrees as well as many others who actually are having logical thoughts about this.
No one would have made a fuss about it unless the team that lost in the finals didn’t post name & shame threads on this forum kittening up a storm b/c they felt their golden cookie was stolen from them. They got beat in the finals and threw temper tantrums.
Fact of the matter is they aren’t good enough to be talking. If they were they would have won the match and this wouldn’t be an issue, but they lost.
Also go through the UGO rules and tell me where this alleged violation breaks any rules of UGO. Please I’m waiting for someone to post it.
Now if this were to happen in an UGO sponsored tournament then YES reprecussions are needed, BUT you can’t hold ppl responsible due to Anet’s lack of ability to patrol their own game.
Besides no cheating was done. The abjured players were going to win no matter what…..they just decided that $400 > in game rewards. Can’t fault ppl for that cause every single one of us would have done the same thing.
What about trap guardians or condi guardians, ive seen ridiculous burn numbers come from them
Or engis better yet, no one says kitten about how broken they are
Or better yet condi Mesmer, yeah, the most annoying class spreading condis left and right and downing you in an instant while laughing in your face cause you just wasted all your offensive and defensive cd’s as theyre finishing you isn’t a problem or anything
Ill never understand it
One profession does it, no one cares. Thief does it, now its an issue
foh
Spvp has a lot of issues. Of course it’s not just condi thieves. But this thread is about condi thieves. There always other threads on all the other builds/classes you posted. But yeah, I agree with you. A lot of builds need to be toned down, but this is thread is about thieves. lets not derail it.
that is true but look at how many posts are complaining about thieves then compare it to every other class
Every day without fail theres a post griping about a thief build, yet other more cancerous builds for other classes exist
I’d rather derail it cause its total bull and I’m tired of the biased which hunt
Every other class gets a condi build, almost no one bats an eye
Thief gets a condi build and everyone races to the forums to scream nerf
Just how tf is that fair?
Thief is in a great spot when it’s a high skill class that shines when you truly master the class.
You gut skill requirements and allow low skill players to succeed at thief you start seeing the community react negatively.
In its current form Condi thief is too easy and forgiving on bad play.
I don’t agree. You are enacting punishment on behalf of Anet. Let them fail on their own.
Also what happened did not happen during your tournament and you have no business punishing ppl.
They have all the business in the world upholding integrity in a tournament who willingly donates money to players (funded by a community).
If you are a prominent, visible part of a community and you take the time to cheat and screw said community with petty actions, why would they keep you around? What example does that set and what does it say about the already struggling competitive scene?
No one cheated who played in the tournament. The integrity of the game was NEVER compromised. The only thing done wrong was some idiots put a price tag on an achievement title. Thats it.
The integrity of UGO is in jeopardy not from the alleged players who took the money, but the people who kittened and moaned to Jebro to d/q ppl so they could win money. See these players aren’t good enough to win it on their own, and have resorted to getting ppl to be d/q’d. Personally they are lower than the alleged team who paid ppl to win the AT.
You know why? Because they were man enough to admit they can’t do, and forked over cash. They didn’t report ppl to anet repeatedly to have them banned so they could win.
No s/d condi is absolutely the safest & most faceroll build to play on thief currently.
You said it yourself, “I suck at d/p”
But you succeed at s/d condi? Wonder why? Because its infinitely easier playing that than meta d/p (which is arguably the highest skill floor/ceiling class/build to play atm).
You can down ppl with just steal and dodge from 100-0 if they have no healing/clears. It’s instant, basically can’t be dodged, and you can do it by smashing your face on ur keyboard not looking at the screen. Kicker is if they don’t clear it you are going to do like 1/3rd of their life passively.
If you need to burst the burst is stupid damage that is easy as pie to do. 2, V, F1, V, 2 to gtfo of danger, and watch the poor soul burn to the ground.
He tried but if you look at the screen shot he got killed. He’s now taking to reporting the player since he can’t kill them himself.
Personally who cares IMHO. This person isn’t affecting your game in anyway what so ever.
I killed the person once, they killed me once, and then they took to just running whenever I showed up. With all that was going on on the map, I decided it wasn’t worth trying to chase them down all day.
I chose to report it because this is the sort of stuff that Anet uses as a justification for keeping rewards slim or participation hard to get. If this sort of behavior is rampant, there will inevitably be changes that ruin things for the rest of us (see: Decay).
Decay was put in b/c people like you kept complaining about stuff that doesn’t affect you. It’s threads like these that cause Anet to make sweeping changes to the game that ruins it for the rest of us.
It’s not the lone guy afk farming his pips. Trust me on that one.
The problem in the matchup from a 3rd party’s perspective is simple:
The condi thief requires less skill and effort in the fight. To beat one you need to out play them w/out a mistake. This is not true for the condi thief due to them being more tanky than you.
Just remember in the fight to be aggressive and put them on the defensive. Once your condi clears are gone GTFO. This is because a simple Steal and dodge will kill you.
Careful and whatever you do DO NOT LET THEM STRIKE FIRST
I main a condi thief and that’s the biggest mistake you can make
Also if you know that theres a condi thief on the other team keep your guard up at all times due to s/d being whats mainly used for condi and sword 2 allows us to even pop up through walls, when combined with steal we can also close ridiculous ranges
Stay alert, don’t let us strike first, dodge our evades, and watch out for traps, our traps will really hurt you, like, a quarter or more of your health on its own if you aren’t careful, that’s not including the rest of the condis
LOL you talk traps and we die to steal & dodge
You do know that’s the problem right? Try this combo:
2 > V > F1 > V > 2
Literally the Condi burst is stupid strong and gets extra stupid when used injunction with Spider Venom
With condi thieves, they go through initiative and endurance really fast. If you can bait out their dodges, thats half the battle right there. If you can land an arcane thievery (for those that run it), it can be deadly, however 1 timed shatter burst with no initiative and/or endurance will take them out or at least make them run.
If you are condi yourself, the torment/confusion stacks will hurt them. They can cleanse them, however your condi sustain will out do their clears quickly as they need to burn pretty important things (agility siggy, shadowstep, initiative on sword) to survive.
Cleanse on evade is insane fighting them at times. Flanking clears a Condi and dodges shatter.
Condi Thief is OP. Source: I’m in top 10 NA using S/D condi thief. Of course im also ridiculously good at the game, but it’s broken. I’m not even good at thief, I main warrior, its just that warr is so nerfed that im forced to use kittened OP stuff like SD condi thief to climb.
I just find it funny that people think condi takes skill to use. You can literally down someone by stealing to them and dodging away. Its sickening how braindead all condi builds are in this game
There are classes. Then there is cancer. Not even chemo can vs this cancer. I am happy that I finished The Ascension and obtained the Ardent skins I wanted. Got the titles and rank desired. Other than that, I cannot stand burst dmg variation as such. This is NOT a common occurrence.
But when it does occur, I get chest pain and want to pull my hair out. I can lose 5 matches in a row and not get that upset. after 1300 matches, almost 300 this season, no much was fun. Got what I wanted out of it. Bouncing.
I wish you all the best with:
~wonky matchmaking
~bad rotations
~feeding mid-point
~not fighting on point
~fighting verbally to teammates, even if winning
~name calling/insults
~less gold gains than many of the other game modes per hour.
~people playing bad on purpose to keep a low rank on alt accounts
That’s a thief who banged on you for 36k damage without you dying…….yet the damage is the problem.
I get it if you are DDoS, but at some point in time you need to switch your servers from such a frequent target of the DDoS attacks. This is getting out of hand and inhibits your customers from enjoying the product they’ve paid for.
From time to time I switch from power necros, to condi necros, I just recently switched back to power necros. Do you know why?
The last 2 teams I faced before switching back to power were all condi removal……they pretty much made my conditions utterly useless, I could put 5 conditions on someone (torment, bleed, poison, cripple, blind, chill, etc) and before I knew it…they were all gone and id have to try and spam them back on with little to no success
I don’t meant to be that guy…but condi really isn’t an issue once you know how to counter it
The fact it’s damage was already nerfed in PvP without it being meta speaks volumes on how carry it was
To be fair, you would still have more mobility with bound than core thief…. and since only reason why you want thief is for roaming role (=mobility + dmg), dd would be still miles better than core.
That being said UC nerf would be real problem if you look at how much mobility other classes got. Even with UC + sb you can’t outrun druid defending far while camping mid all match thus preventing you from decaps on some maps (Foefire anyone?). If you play core, it becomes even more painfully obvious how much mobility + chills/cripples other classes actually have and how much harder it becomes to roam on a thief in such situation.
I have a dream where all 5 devs would be stuck on core thief and attempt to win match vs 5 classes with HoT specs just so they get idea what they have done to this game.
I do want HoT specs getting nerfed to the point where core becomes a viable alternative but it has to apply to all specs not just one class otherwise we would just have s1 all over again.
balance is based on elites now and not core it’s time to give up the core fight
Not saying I agree…..just saying this is how it is now so you have to look at it as a whole. You balance the game accordingly
The majority of games played aren’t played by 5 man teams in voice chat.
It is there where Condi damage can be managed by proper team cleanses & healing. That is the ONLY place where you can manage this game’s current condition damage.
Now in the majority of games where you don’t have that option (not even in ranked) you do not have the proper tools to deal with it. This is where you are seeing Condi Revs, Condi Thieves, Burn Guards, Condi Rangers, Condi Engi, and yes even Condi Ele at times in the games loading up people with more conditions than 1-2 people can deal with.
The fact that these condition builds are easily applying conditions that 100-0 you with little to no skill required is a problem. Anet needs to make changes accordingly game wide.
Grab the condi thief build and goto the test golems (Heavy, Med, Light). Steal to them then dodge away from them. DO NO EXTRA DAMAGE BEYOND THAT.
Come back to this thread and post your results on the % of life left on each golem after all condi’s finish tic’n.
Thx
edit:
Make sure you have Deadly Arts line & Spider venom for a few attempts as well
Did the test, steal + spider venom does 90% to light golem so ~15.5k damage and potentially more with confusion procs. Steal+spider venom+1 dodge easily killed the heavy golem from full. I was using dead-shot amulet, so not complete glass. Cleansing is definitely required to handle that much pressure.
Use Carrion you will kill the light w/out spider venom.
Basi Venom + Spider > Steal > Dodge will kill the warrior NPC without having to do any extra damage
I heard burn DH was up there with Condi Theif. True or False?
In terms of effectiveness though the PvP ranks, Condi teef can potentially be countered by a single DH, mid fight pressure with heavy aoe such as symbolic DH. Most Condi thief would stick to sides and would try to avoid the guard unless he’s not equally skilled.
Burn DH’s biggest concerns are good power thieves who know how to cc and burst. This can be problematic for burn Guards to 1v1 because we won’t last very long unless we’re able to burst the thief ahead of time with a ready available cd. Aside from that, we perform 3x better in team fights and debatably better on side points.
Both classes are at the mercy of matchmaking but in terms of “carrying” a team by 1v2ing or 1v3ing classes, burn DH comes out on top. (my opinion).
You shouldn’t be losing to thieves on guardian period. Guardian hard counters thief and has since the release of the game. There has never been a longer or harder counter in this game than Guard vs Thief
ahh yes the “if you don’t play the class you can’t comment on it.” argument.
An argument that is completely false. You don’t need to play a class to know it’s capabilities. I know how every single traitline on thief works. I know the capabilities of each of their weaponsets. I know what every single thief utility skill looks like and what it does. I know the exact capabilities of every common thief build both current and past. I can easily figure the behavior and damage profile of any arbitrary thief build and do so on the fly.
Yet I don’t play the class.
The capabilities of both thief and FA ele are well known. Assuming the thief isn’t kitten ing, the thief should beat a FA ele. In a realistic conquest situation where trying to anticipate the alpha isn’t a thing, the matchup is even more slanted in the thief’s favor.
Actually no.
The matchup is entirely dependent on the skill of the ele player. Once you get to a certain skill level playing FA ele you will destroy 90% of thieves in this game.
And to comment on the rest of the thread:
Thief hasn’t defined the meta since Anet removed their ability to duel & win far. Right now there isn’t a class in the game that can’t delay a thief long enough for a +1 from mid unless you are FAR below the skill level of the thief. The ONLY class that has the right to complain about being countered by thieves are necros, but they shouldn’t be dying fast vs them either. If the Necro has full LF & is good enough he can kill a lot of thieves 1v1 too.
of all ele builds i fear the most is fresh air. ranged dps is a pain for a thief, let alone ranged burst. but it also depends how good of a fresh air ele he is.
Once a player becomes good enough with FA ele the thief is actually countered due to ranged burst, passives, & cantrips. The problem is the player playing ele has to learn how to play it. Most players don’t so most of you thieves are safe.
Once a player becomes good enough with thief the ele is actually countered due to stealth bursts, insane mobility, easy interupt procs, and huge evade uptime. The problem is the player playing thief has to learn how to play it. Most players don’t so really good eles are safe from average/mediocre thieves. Let’s be honest here, top thieves just laugh when there is a non bunker ele on the enemy team they can farm all match.
Spoken like a true player who refuses to practice then complain on a message board.
Get your personal skill ceiling higher than let’s talk
of all ele builds i fear the most is fresh air. ranged dps is a pain for a thief, let alone ranged burst. but it also depends how good of a fresh air ele he is.
Once a player becomes good enough with FA ele the thief is actually countered due to ranged burst, passives, & cantrips. The problem is the player playing ele has to learn how to play it. Most players don’t so most of you thieves are safe.
At a certain skill level using FA ele you will destroy 95% of thieves in this game. The matchup is entirely how good YOU are not how good they are. This is the ideal situation to be in
It all depends on how much LF you have. Max LF you can take 80% of thieves or make them run.
Proper use of the stability is key along with proper use of evades and watching his evade frames.
Honestly if you keep the PI price minimal you are in a great position. The actual goal I have vs thief on my necro is to last long enough for a +1 which shouldn’t be an issue for mediocre necros
This is extremely wrong and the most unfair component in the reward system in all of GW2. If this is the case I should be recieving more pips in pvp based on my rank and more gold and rares in pve based on my AP. Extremely discriminating this is . Please make it an avg amount of pips given to all players all remove this entirely. It is immoral and discriminates against new players. Whoever did this needs to give me an explanation. A very good one of why your choosing to discriminate other players.
Whats funny is PvE players were crafting full sets of legendary armor the FIRST day it was released b/c the 6 months of Raiding counted towards the time gate of legendary armor. A WvW player couldnt do that so guess what?
Put the time in and stop complaining about not getting instant gratification on a game mode you refused to play for the past 4 years.
