Guild Wars 2

Teleport a dead person to the nearest uncontested waypoint after 90 seconds of death.

Boom, fixed.

EcoRI.9273:

Who is everyone exactly? Down with the 1%! #OccupySpeedRun.

Hue

Also:

Cuddy.6247:

Orangensaft.7139:

Cuddy.6247:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

the tools are always available to you for use.

And are always kittenblocked by the worst RNG loot tables in all of gaming history.

pls tell me how RNG stops you from using FGS as an elite for movement
or from using sword/warhorn on warrior for skipping parts
or form using ports on thief to be faster for skipping parts
or from using any other weapon/utility for movement to be faster in dungeons

what has RNG to do with these tools ????

.The RNG wall effectively kittenblocks any necessity for improved performance. Skipping is not an essential part of efficiency because speedclearing has no real benefit. Please, don’t be dense and try to think for yourself.

Just in case you are confused, the “tools” I am mentioning are any item used to reduce time that it takes to clear a dungeon. The RNG aspect of items dropped from bags does not negate the fact that you tend to make more money if you complete the same dungeon faster (or complete the dungeon more times in the same span of time) than someone who is not speedrunning.

Nanashi.6297:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

To people that see the zerker meta as a problem, literally nobody is forcing you to run it. you can use anything almost anywhere you want The only time this becomes an issue is when someone who does not want to run a dps oriented set tries to join a speedrun (that mentions zerker only in LFG.)

[Reasonable response]

Just remove dungeons entirely already and all this kitten has an end. .

I understand your issue with people trying to wear pants too big for them in attempting to run zerker when they dont know dungeon mechanics, but if you’re willing to nuke dungeons to solve the problem you shouldnt have an issue with just not doing them at all.

As for zerker wannabes being the norm, I dont know about that. I’ve had large success with “newbie welcome/ all gear welcome / non-speedrun” LFG tags in my past few dungeons. If there really are unavoidable slews of people exploding because they cant dodge and wont gear down, then the people need to be looked at at most, not the meta.

Orangensaft.7139:

Cuddy.6247:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

the tools are always available to you for use.

And are always kittenblocked by the worst RNG loot tables in all of gaming history.

pls tell me how RNG stops you from using FGS as an elite for movement
or from using sword/warhorn on warrior for skipping parts
or form using ports on thief to be faster for skipping parts
or from using any other weapon/utility for movement to be faster in dungeons

what has RNG to do with these tools ????

He missed the point. I’m guessing he has some kind of hangup with loot tables.

EcoRI.9273:

Well obviously its because you have your cake and you are eating it and im here to tell mommy anet to give me some and you being a selfish person wont have any of that so here you here getting angry at anything that will take your cake away

Dunno what you’re talking about.

Zerker = No armor, big damage = Quick speedruns with wipe risk greatly increased = Faster gold if run perfectly

Toughness oriented = Some armor, less damage = Slower speedruns ,wipe risk greatly reduced = Slower gold, mistakes allowed.

Youll have to explain who has the best of both worlds without putting in significant effort.

DeWolfe.2174:

EcoRI.9273:

It is ruining the way I prefer the game to be played. I hate the fact that everyone will make so much more money than me.

Here’s the “tldr” it is in a nutshell. One counter to the OP’s counter is this, MOUNTS! Terrain speed is way to freak’n slow in this game as it is. Swiftness is an incredible nag as we traverse the zones. If anything slows or inhibits terrain speed further, then the demand for mounts will go thru the roof.

btw OP, nerfing the entire game and reducing the fun and enjoyment of the majority for the miniscule amount of dungeon runners is ludicrous!

+1.

Again, the only people that are telling you that you need to run a specific way are people doing speedclear dungeons.

You’re ruining the experience of thousands of players who will accept you for the small fraction of people that wont.

“What the content needs is rewarding each step, and scaling the rewards to personal participation. "

+ 100.

Impact.2780:

Oh and on removing skillful play aspect: the changes will also force all thieves into deadly arts, removing the currently existing choice between deadly arts and critical strikes. So those of us that enjoyed going for the higher damage option and hating on the passive cheese that is panic strike will no longer be able to do this, for we will be forced to take that trait to be of equal or greater use to our team, and so as not to be at a significant disadvantage vs. other thieves since every thief will now be picking it up when they inevitably specialize in that line, in addition to now having the same damage potential.

Splendid job, ANet.

This + sigil of energy and FG becoming boonripable means I really dont give a rat’s kitten about acrobatics, because it offers nothing I couldn’t compensate for with full dps now.

EcoRI.9273:

Fermi.2409:

EcoRI.9273:

And it is a problem because it is ruining the way I prefer the game to be played. I prefer game systems to be immersive. Usain Bolt can’t do 1mile dashes in real life so neither should my character. And yes I can make a LFG for “no swiftness no running” but I hate the fact that everyone who will use swiftness and mobility skills, will make so much more money than me.

Dear lord, literally “I don’t like that people can play a way I don’t like, nerf them to my level!”. The ridiculousness is real.

Although you find it ridiculous, I can assure you many people in this forum feel the same way that I feel. Be it Tank/Healer or Walking to conserve endurance I think we should all unite to fight for our cause. So Tank/Healer advocates please give me your support because although we are on different battlefronts, we are both fighting the same fight.

I am quite sure lots of people feel as you do.

You should not punish someone for being more efficient than you on -any- plane though, game or not.

Fermi.2409:

EcoRI.9273:

And it is a problem because it is ruining the way I prefer the game to be played. I prefer game systems to be immersive. Usain Bolt can’t do 1mile dashes in real life so neither should my character. And yes I can make a LFG for “no swiftness no running” but I hate the fact that everyone who will use swiftness and mobility skills, will make so much more money than me.

Dear lord, literally “I don’t like that people can play a way I don’t like, nerf them to my level!”. The ridiculousness is real.

Sad but true.

Nobody’s stopping OP from gearing to make the same kind of money but the OP. Unlike RL, where income is largely influenced by circumstance, the tools are always available to you for use.

Not wanting to use them, but at the same time insisting people who do be punished so you don’t feel less efficient is not only silly, but childish.

I’m not surprised by the mindset. I’m sure a lot more people think the same way, but hide it through circumlocative arguments about why the meta needs fixing.

zapv.8051:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I’m not happy with FG providing a removable boon on evade. That’s not promoting skillful play, that’s promoting boon nullification/rips crippling acrobatics line.

I’m fine with actually having to evade something to be rewarded with FG, but it should directly refill endurance instead of adding time to a single stack of removable vigor.

Yes it is skillful play, other people will be able to counter your dodge spam by removing vigor. This means they will actually be able to do something about the massive amount of evades you will still have. Instant endurance regen isn’t skillful play at all. There is nothing the person you are fighting can do to counter you. That is the opposite of skillful play.

You’re talking about a glassy class that is giving up either stealth uptime or raw damage for these extra dodges, mind you.

Lol , never mind. Ill just run shadow arts.

dodge spam. Lol.

Salamander.2504:

My unbiased opinion:

I main a guard, and stealth always irritated me. Whenever a thief would stealth and run, I’d call cheese. How irritating, right?

Two days ago I made a thief, and I’ve already realized how essential stealth is. Thieves are trading a lot to have the ability to stealth: they are a melee class with low health, low armor, and abysmal condi clear. Whereas rangers and guardians can go invincible for a few seconds to take the pressure off, thieves have stealth (but can die quite easily in stealth). Most of their weapon sets are useless in the current meta, so evades cant make up for it (I’m looking at sw/d).

If they are running from you and are about to die, either: (1) you outnumber them, in which case, who wouldn’t run?; and (2) they can’t kill you in a 1v1, but then why should you be able to kill a thief 100%? Shouldn’t it be 50% in a balanced game? They are a zerker class, after all. Running=draw=balanced.

Add to that: no thieves use speed/traveler runes, which means if they want to keep up their famous mobility in or out of stealth, they need to be spending initiative, dodges, or utility cooldowns. Those all need to be balanced to maintain mobility but also be ready for a fight.

So coming from an entirely different class and just playing thief for 2 days, I have to say: stop complaining about stealth. It’s not cheese.

ANOTHER ONE.
My GOD, people are actually learning! It’s astounding! <3

Eurhetemec.9052:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

What would be the point in gear prefixes then?

They’d be part of your build choice. It’s pretty simple.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

And let’s say the “rough result” of baseline toughness is not enough for a group of players to survive in pve?

Survive what?

redacted, it was addressed.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Likewise, ideally you should also be able to combine various gear types and end up with roughly the same results. Zerker gear should not end up being such a dominant set among the community.

What would be the point in gear prefixes then?

And let’s say the “rough result” of baseline toughness is not enough for a group of players to survive in pve?

How to fix the zerker meta:

Dont join speedclear rooms if you are not running zerker armor

The end.

Why is this kitten so hard for people to wrap their heads around; every time this topic comes up we get 5 pages of people writing paragraphs of nonsense.

EcoRI.9273:

. So I propose a solution to this problem. In games like smash brothers where mobility was at a point king, the developers decided to introduce a counter to it, where if you continuously dash, you have a chance to slip-

No.

Any random uncontrollable factor that could lead to death or ruin meticulous, skillful play that is built into the game would do nothing but aggravate the player base.

Please do research.

“Many players have cited random tripping as an unnecessary and detrimental addition to the game, since, in their view, it not only adds nothing worthwhile to the game, but introduces a constant element of chance that disrupts gameplay and has the potential to decide a match. Random tripping is also said to harm the metagame of Brawl; it cannot be used as part of any strategy since it is impossible to predict consistently enough.”

It’s not the game’s fault that players can learn boss mechanics well enough to not worry about toughness. It’s not the players fault either. At some point the community that has some kind of hangup with zerker is going to need to bite the bullet and realize that there’s nothing they can do to make toughness oriented gear as viable as damage oriented gear short of forcing people to take damage which is poor game design and would be shunned by non zerker and zerker armored players alike.

To people that see the zerker meta as a problem, literally nobody is forcing you to run it. you can use anything almost anywhere you want The only time this becomes an issue is when someone who does not want to run a dps oriented set tries to join a speedrun (that mentions zerker only in LFG.)

This whole issue is over some players being disallowed in a fraction of dungeon groups looking to speedclear, because they won’t gear for speedclearing.

There’s nothing to fix. People just need to stop joining speedclear dungeon groups if they won’t gear for speedclearing.

Sagat.3285:

Better LF gain doesn’t matter if you are the easiest target around no matter what spec, this passive regen will turn necro into a HP sponge DS already screams “Hit me!!” to the devs. Passive LF is just a temporary bandage on the wrong wound, you will still get tossed around,still won’t be able to cast your slow skills,still not hitting because of slow animation,all you are doing is prolonging the round or starting another one, it will turn necro into an avoidable tank giving them more reasons to keep healing weak on us as well other forms of sustain, even foes will get tired of fighting a HP sponge(PvE).

The more we pushed this second HP argument and it’s pool the less we have chances of getting active defenses,faster cast times etc. If you are just a HP sponge why do you need to do anything else?

This.

A rework needs to be made in terms of weapon skills. Adding to life force will just make the fight longer with the same outcome.

Quagganhugger.

/15chars

Razelesh.1035:

Save a CC for when you think they will drop Shadow Refuge. Most thieves (Including me) drop it when we’re losing, so at that point if you interrupt it/knock the thief out of it, you will probably win.

This.

Wargrave.4936:

Most are missing the point.
WE WERE WINNING WHOLE MATCH by 60 plus points
I was staying home because 2 thieves on their team kept trying for it.
The guy fighting/losing near spawn, who was on MY team decided to rage, and talk trash.
After match he decides to whisper me saying how all 4 of other team mates were in ts talking kitten about me.

I was unable to respond do to him blocking me before he /w trash talk.
This was all for no reason….
We won..he was on my team….I played the map.

You did your job. People will trash talk you for any stupid thing.

Ignore it.

I’m not happy with FG providing a removable boon on evade. That’s not promoting skillful play, that’s promoting boon nullification/rips crippling acrobatics line.

I’m fine with actually having to evade something to be rewarded with FG, but it should directly refill endurance instead of adding time to a single stack of removable vigor.

Cynz.9437:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

As a thief, I’m astounded that people are trying to defend a build that is winning against competent players without weapons.

Yes, people underestimate the difficulty of playing thief, but OP beat an ele while holding a crate.

Come on.

competent? where?

I didnt say good.

I said competent.

As a thief, I’m astounded that people are trying to defend a build that is winning against competent players without weapons.

Yes, people underestimate the difficulty of playing thief, but OP beat an ele while holding a crate.

Come on.

Turk.5460:

People who claim to have left the game, yet post on the forums every day.

Olives.

People who claim Thief is easymode.

Eggplant.

this – olives.

Starlightmagus.8654:

One thing I’d like to propose is that if you Block someone, it goes two ways. So you can’t message them, and they cannot message you. This won’t stop someone from spamming hate and vulgarity at you and THEN blocking you, but it will at least prevent them from immediately blocking before going on a spiteful whining rant more befitting a misbehaved child, with no way to even respond to them.
.

yes. Sounds like a simple tweak.

Sorry for the toxicity you got dumped on you. We aren’t all bad,

LucosTheDutch.4819:

I still haven’t gotten a portal drop, which kittenes me off but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it. It’s just a frikkin beta and judging by the previous beta it’s probably just going to be a very small insignificant portion of HoT that’s gonna be playable. It’s really not worth the trouble or stress that some people are going through to get a portal drop.

+1.

done looking, gonna do something more productive.

Lmfao wrecked

/15chars

HenleyLegoMan.4987:

So all the guild wars playing take turns rolling a 10,000 sided dice. If they get a 1 then the player gets into beta. The number 1 is not removed from dice.

A very good point. But bear in mind the problem with you statement:

The number 1 is not removed from the dice, this is how it should be. But note that the guild wars players who roll a 1 on that 10,000 dice are not removed from the pool of players trying to roll a 1.

And so does this also mean that some guild wars players are getting more rolls of the dice than others?

I think it’s a fair question.

what does that have to do with anything? Once they land on 1, whatever they roll if they decide to keep rolling is irrelevant. It has no bearing on anyone.

Except, of course, people who are irritated by the fact that someone is getting multiple copies of an item they want while they have not gotten one yet, but that’s a completely personal problem.

Bear? BEAR?!

BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-

manarchon.2089:

Will the permanent rainbow unicorn finisher be back on sale in the gemstore in future? Missed my opportunity to get one.

Wait it got pulled?

gee whiz, glad I grabbed that.

It should be. All limited gem items eventually rotate back.

Dinks.2478:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Dinks.2478:

No, I main a Guardian and was very much looking forward to finally having a ranged weapon option and now I’m looking for a new main after almost 3 years.

So you mained a class, looked forward to a ranged option, got it along with a healthy dose of mobility, and because it wasnt all you expected it to be you’re looking to reroll (from a class that you could easily still play with additional buffs outright ignoring the specialization, mind you) without even seeing raw numbers?

Less hyperbole please.

No, I saw the skills on the ranged “weapon” and noticed none of it is related to combat and it is entirely support making it the guardian staff of ranged weapons aka useless.

As I mentioned before, those skills could easily be applied to cancelling projectile barrages. coupled with the leap virtue, Guardian now has a gap closer for ranged harassment, instead of relying on blocks/aegis.

Just because they don’t have direct damage doesnt mean they cant get you in your opponents face/cripple their dps.

Dinks.2478:

No, I main a Guardian and was very much looking forward to finally having a ranged weapon option and now I’m looking for a new main after almost 3 years.

So you mained a class, looked forward to a ranged option, got it along with a healthy dose of mobility, and because it wasnt all you expected it to be you’re looking to reroll (from a class that you could easily still play with additional buffs outright ignoring the specialization, mind you) without even seeing raw numbers?

Less hyperbole please.

Var.8305:

I feel bad for guardians, I mean is like some children picked the name, it doesn’t even fit guardians at all, and the worst is that they just made them rangers, I really don’t understand who in his/her right mind would approve this name, is like someone who has nothing to do with the game or never even played it just came up with the idea.

Really really lame, I just hope they have something better for us thieves, but I have my doubts after this.

Agreed.

Name could use a rework, Need to see spec in action before I comment on its in combat use.

Templar, Paragon, Knight, Lancer, Valkyrie or any other support-based name would have been superior. Dragon hunter sounds offensive but the class is full defense, and it just doesnt fit right.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

The Shield of Courage is a fitting skill for the guardian. The idea of shielding allies, and requiring some clever positioning. Only, this class seems to want to turn the guardian into a backline support class, which seems contradicting.

The point of the elite specializations is to expand the roles of the professions. So if guards suck at backline support now, dragon hunters will make up for that.

This is something everyone keeps forgetting.

Can we have this stickied?

The specialization is just that. A specialization. It does not ruin the class because it takes no functionality away from it. It’s only providing skills that could be useful in a specific combat scenario that the Guardian cannot normally do.

Odyssey.2613:

Dragonhunter? Really, Arena Net? This is the best you can come up with? Really?!? That name is so amazingly awful. Holy kitten of all kittens……. Who in the office let their 10 year old decide on the final name?

You passed on a great opportunity with such names as Paladin, Paragon, Holy Knight, etc.?

You did right with Chronomancer. You have such a vast amount of rich lore to tap from. How about using it!?

You do realize technically all players in Tyria are ‘dragonhunters’ right? Good grief Anet. Pull your kitten out of your kitten. It’s kind of condescending to the other professions when you think about it.

See people, it’s things exactly like this that turned me from a GW1 Anet supporter to a cynical, jaded, critic of Anerf. The levels of kitten they are able to produce never ceases to amaze me.

>Name specialization of a guardian ‘wrong’ even though the added skills arent even a new class and are just one trait line of guardian

>“HOLY KITTEN ANET”

Your cynicism may be misguided in this instance.

Its not worth exploding over. If enough people dont like it, they can release a small PSA in 3 seconds saying “lol now its paragon.” Save your energy.

Dinks.2478:

except its insulting, anet knows Guardians have wanted a useful ranged weapon since launch. So they give us a longbow, but make it useless damage wise and attach it to a trap spec. Its absolutely insulting.

Being able to negate all projectiles in front of you and become more mobile so you can gap close is not insulting or useless.

It could possibly be an innovative solution to the problem guards had with the issue of being projectile kited, without simply giving them comparable return firepower.

Fine for me. If it’s a game changer they can call it whatever the hell they want.

Alex.2908:

How can i get a whole week ban for saying the F word a couple of times?

Depends on context.

At noone in particular, not without great effort on the part of reporters.

At someone or a group of people, easily.

I think that RNG is fine for certain items. The hardest part for that is being able to accept that you may not get it.

That being said, I also think some RNG dropped items need to also have a completely invisible tally system that rewards players with an increased chance of obtaining gear of a high rarity after they have put substantial effort into attempting to find it. RNG is ultimately fair, but the end result of its fairness often rewards players who are putting in significantly less effort than their peers.

There should be an unmentioned threshold that guarantees an item drop. Taking the beta portal as example, it should drop guaranteed once a player kills 3,500 mobs(could be adjusted) that spawn in the Maaguma wastes. That way players who get it luckily get to relax, and the others can eventually have a reward for their hard work.

I was against dueling in pve, but if the area is designated and doesnt allow vitriol to seep into the pve scene, go for it.

moony.5780:

..if i would play it for reward …i would only go to dungeons and farm sw….so i would not complain about the jp´s beeing not rewarding

bcs i am doing jp´s a lot.they r the most fun..but..there is no fun to make a jp´s a 2nd time bcs there is no special reward about it..it feels like just beeing farmed for that 1 green item. …when i reached the top..there is nothing special..

You’re doing it for the reward.

Only do it once if it’s boring for you after that.

A million other things in the game reward you with greens. go fight a shark or party up with a new person and help them get through their karma hearts or something to mix it up.

Alexander.9810:

FFXIV, which is significantly better-

I have seen enough.

Tell him “Gr8 B8 M8” and move on~

This is what we call “needs nerf”.

Also, this video contains Crate Thief. My sides.

Nephrite.6954:

… Wow you people… stop stating things with prejudice for once will you?==

Excuse me sir, this is the GW forum. rule one is every class you do not play is OP.

Boysenberry.1869:

This is just a whine post about how irritating Perma-Stealth thieves are and how they seem designed for the sole purpose of being annoying and nothing else.

My solutions:

[nerf thieves]

Top kek.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

I feel like I have to tell the while story first.

So I was playing ranked Temple of the Silent Storm with my trap ranger, I capped middle then grabbed both ferocities in time to run back to defend mid.

stayed mid because I had a near constant flow of enemies trying to take it, with me jumping off during lulls on combat to get ferocity

We won.

one of the losers kept saying how it was the ranger daily

100% Salt. You did your job.

Solori.6025:

So, I do what any loving bf would do, I’m [redacted]

This, but hushhush. Anet will be mad.

Forgotten Legend.9281:

at least one of you got a drop… the RNG has always hated me… trouble is, i’m afraid that if i get a portal drop, i’ll never get a precursor or ascended chest drop ever again….

The tinfoil is strong in this one~

Go do your best. if you get a drop fine. if not, who cares~

Valky.2574:

If you say no then why do you want a portal key so much
that’s what closed beta is work for free to find the bugs and glitches and any other errors
for the developers to help them out it’s not a play HOT early for fun ! like every one seem to think it is . i hope they get kicked out of beta for not /bugging stuff

And on that note i will prob DELETE the portal if i got it since i don’t like working for free
and can wait for the expansion

Deleting the portal doesnt exclude you from the beta.

Even bug testers should have fun with the game they’re playing.

Velimere.7685:

naphack.9346:

Velimere.7685:

Please don’t remove them. I get a free Black Lion Key every 10 that I get…

You are wasting tomes.
Why would you spend 10 tomes, when 8 is enough?

Because I failed maths in primary school and couldn’t pass stat in uni. Isn’t that how everyone becomes a liberal arts major?

Rimshot

But yes. I need these to be a regular reward in case I decide I need a new (insert class here) or a free lion key.

MyPuppy.8970:

I just wish the reflects worked better. If the ranger is at +1200 range, your reflects wont reach him, wich i find quite unfair. Sure you don’t eat the hits, but you’re not rewarded for good timing either. And he’s not punished either.

This would be a good fix for the issues. Just have reflects use the same range as the projectiles incoming and have them use the damage he has put out to calculate the damage he takes.

I bet people who were just relying on RF would reroll Really quick, and the good rangers would adapt. Promote active play on both ends.

And give necros reflect access or a faster way to close distance between rangers.