Guild Wars 2

Equinox.4195:

wedo.3049:

you are both making a bigger deal than it needs to be, the buffs aren’t the problem. ever play a game called dark age of Camelot? they had a similar system with buffs but it increased your crit, crit dmg, and spell pierce but people still played and people still attacked the stacked servers. In the end teamwork and skill will win. im not trying to start a fight or anything but stop acting high and mighty. I was merely pointing out that if the shoe was on the other foot we would have lost no biggie gone on our way and continued to play (since its a scrim). it was fun times and should be fun for all.

I think I’m starting to see the point you were trying to make.

wedo.3049:

had a scrim NS vs EP tonight with buffs didn’t make a big difference

I interpreted this as saying “Had a scrim tonight with buffs, but it didn’t make a big difference. We had have won anyway.”
Whereas I think the point you were trying to make was that buffs shouldn’t matter and people should continue to GvG like this regardless even though it’s only as scrims, at least until something changes.
My apologies for misunderstanding. Skritt happens. Wasn’t trying to act high and mighty, just thought you were taking shots at us.

We agree that skill matters over buffs, and I think we both agree that when two extremely talented groups clash like we did, the buffs do start to make a difference. Let’s face it. [NS] would have been a handful even without the buffs.
Anyway, I’m going through and editing right now and every fight lasts a minimum of 3m10s. Some really intense kitten right there. Perhaps it goes without saying, but I think [NS] is definitely #2 NA if we are #1.

you guys will have to come down to a lower tier server and fight [GF] to see is this will be true.

Xom.9264:

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

most likely true.
their own players are better at this game then the ones who created it/manage it.

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

GvG custom Arena.

Knote.2904:

This “GvG” clusterbleep here reminds me a lot of Dragon Nest 8v8 stuff. The game had great combat and on a small scale the fights are visible like 1v1, 2v2 etc. But every player has so many flashy abilities that when it’s an 8v8 it’s just a giant friggin mess.

Look here lol : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQFPIL6sro

then the issue is the flashy skills which I totally agree with.
so toning down the flashiness will make things all right correct?

In Spvp I play a DD DB spam thief with SoM for the lulz
so much fun and I can hold a point down and stack bleeds up pretty fast.

Pinko.2076:

time 4 pve

PVE time started when the bloodlust nerf came around.

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI – Nobody is stopping you 15v15 supporters from hosting your own tournaments. Just sayin’.

in that case help us by creating an option is use out WvW gear/skills/food in a custom arena so we can get away from the current WvW bloodlust issue.
make it more expensive than a normal arena if you have to.

Avead.5760:

Brando.1374:

Avead.5760:

^ GF didnt beat CC..DC beat CC..i heard dc is very strong in gw2 :P

and who wont the tourney?
oh yea they also wont the first match due to a DC but I dont hear any complaints there.

Yeah denial won cause of dc but then they followed this unfair benefit they got by winning all other teams they faced and stomping hard sync (the team that was at pax!) at the final. Denials winning cause of dc just proves that NN is a good team adn deseved a chance.It doesnt degrade denials performance and strength at all compared to the rest of the competition on that tournament.

Im not trying to take away the work they put in. im just pointing out that they to won their first round because of a DC.

but by you saying the rest of the competition pretty much sucked is just wrong. we had a WvW guild enter the tourney and take out the current champs of spvp.
and by all the hate and talking down we get you guys should have mopped the floor with us regardless since most people thing we rely on 15 players to be good.

Avead.5760:

^ GF didnt beat CC..DC beat CC..i heard dc is very strong in gw2 :P

and who wont the tourney?
oh yea they also wont the first match due to a DC but I dont hear any complaints there.

Gandarel.5091:

Brando.1374:

Allie Murdock.8152:

If you compare it to other games right now, it’s pretty low, but not bad! There’s definitely some room for improvement, and we’re talking about ways we can help with that for future tournaments.

Re posting this as it is a valid Idea.

How about a 15v15 GvG tournament?
all we will need is an arena where we we can use out WvW armor/accessories/food. I dont think that will be to hard to do.
I can name at least 10 guilds (10×15 = 150 players) that would jump on this tournament in a heartbeat!

just think about all the views this can get, its a win win for both sides

WvW guys always make me lol.. you guys would wipe in a blink of an eye in an actual PvP situation, and use the huge numbers (15v15) to shield you.

Also, Guild DeathZergmatch isn’t GvG. For educational purposes, this is GvG: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gvg

If ArenaNet would actually make a *real* GvG, most of theWvW guys couldn’t get to the top 1k... I bet.

Fun fact: GW1’s competitive GvG scene had more than 10k dedicated players. And it was only 1 gamemode. Your 150 is pretty meaningless.

If im not mistaken [GF] beat [CC] in this most recent tourney.

your argument is invalid since this isnt GW1.

Luthan.5236:

Yes it does. It is even better cause there are no equipment differences and no annoying siege. So go sPvP then and stop complaining here.

they want to kick me out of the Spvp forums to your argument is invalid.

in a GvG their is a counter to everything is you build your group correctly and do what is needed to counter.

the counter to Perplexity = stability and blinds
counter to perma stability = immobilize and boon hate/removal
counter to condi in general = aoe/personal condi removal

for everything that is "strong" there is a counter which makes things balanced.

sorrow.2364:

Gorefiend.9675:

You are all over the place. First perplexity is op in 15v15, now it isnt and condi clear is. Let me be clear, you CAN condi overload a frontline no matter how much condi clear they have. You have to make a playstyle choice to do it as the group that went heavy into frontline for massive condi clear has made playstyle choices. That is what I love about this format.

Than, in that case, Rune of Perplexity are OP since you can easily land them and 5 (9 on warriors) stacks of confusion is a lot.

In both cases you have an imbalance.

The fact is simple, if Runes of Perplexity manage to trigger, their effect is arguably too strong.
But if you can reliably prevent Runes of Perplexity to trigger to the point that they aren’t a problem at all, then there is an imbalance on the other side, because preventing completely those runes to work means that either stuns are completely worthless (imbalance) or that condition removal is too much.

That’s what I mean with power creep vs power creep. Food buffs and PvE-like gamemodes stresses those power creeps a lot more compared to sPvP and that’s why most people think WvWvW is imbalanced by design. It is because everything is too strong and too weak at the same time.

everything is too strong and too weak at the same time….. isnt that balance?

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, I admire your creativity with all this stuff. But the fact that A-Net would never ever balance the game around 15v15 is a big reason why this mode could be confronted with big problems on balance-changes.

we dont need any real balance changes. we already have 15v15 matches going on in WvW.

all we need a custom arena which will allow us to use our WvW gear/builds/skills

sorrow.2364:

Gorefiend.9675:

sorrow.2364:

You said it.
Frontliners have a good amount of condi removals, frontliners are also the same who runs with Runes of Perplexity and are able to stack 9 confusions with a single interrupts.

Runes of Perplexity are broken, no matter how you can prevent them, you can’t always make sure that an AoE interrupt won’t land. Being able to stack confusion as easily is broken.

Re-watch the video and pay attention to how quickly the conditions are wiped from the eles party members (all frontline). So if they can get a lucky cc and stack confusion, it will be wiped in a matter of seconds.

It’s funny, because incredibly broken runes (yes, they are in any other circumstance) are overshadowed by another imbalance that you have pointed out which is the huge amounts of condition removals in a 15vs15 environment.
It’s power creep vs power creep, the apex of imbalance.

condi removal imbalance?
Im sorry and this is coming from a necro but the condi removal rate is right on the money. Condi pressue and removal are fine as it in 15v15

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not "real" GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ’smashing into eachother’ ... or ’dropping the bomb’ ... joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

personally I do not consider 15 a mini zerg. 30 would be a mini zerg and 40+ would be a zerg.

Most GvG guilds where and are ’Zerg Busting guilds" we normally run with 10-20 each night. this was made as a way to test out zerg busting skills on other guild that do the same to see who was better. (well at least this is how [GF] started out)

also to say this takes little skill/strategy is also not true.
it takes reaction time, battle awareness, and knowledge of what each class is capable of doing and their CD. if it required no skill or strategy any group of 15 can come in and 7-0 [GF][Agg][NS][EP]

in all the GvG’s I have been a part of Runes of Perplexity have never been used.
I know my guild does not run them because they do nothing to help the group. its more of a cheese 1v1/Gank build rune.

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

Please tell me how adding 150 stats to the whole server (which can be claimed by 3 people) benifits wvw as a whole?

you claim it creates fights to keep them on your side.

We already had fights, we had guilds who would run and chase after zergs and or have roamers take out stranglers.
guess what those zergs hid in towers/keeps with siege lol

this buff does nothing for zerg busting groups or roamers of the under populated servers. it handicaps us more than we where already.
How about make this buff give the zergs more wxp for each instead of stats.

over all only Stacked server like this buff since it makes their lives in game much more easy when it comes to dealing with real skilled groups.

Not sure if serious or just...

Dr Acula.3496:

Brando.1374:

Dr Acula.3496:

Mike.7320:

Jinks.2057:

EFWinters.5421:

Jinks.2057:

Pinko.2076:

Sol is right, FA and DB have moved on from t3 with superior skill and organization. Maguuma is just sitting in mumble playing dating simulators all day on their welfare checks.

I thought the guild formerly know as Mag All Stars but now go by Mag Zerg Stars were the only ones doing this…..

Apparently Ark is a small-man roaming guild now.

Wow that 1st week of Ebay vs Mag was detrimental to Mag….not only did GF sweep GvG, but they chased off Agg and broke up Ark

Wow.

Hard to imagine Ebay chasing anyone anywhere.

Must be fun to hype up GF when half our players no longer bother to log in anymore.

he I still log on….I just dont WvW anymore. I dont see any future in it like I used to.

Well sPvP makes me wanna smash my nuts with a hammer and PvE isnt fun either. So ill still be runnin round WvW having some fun where I can find it. I wish they would let pirate peg legs be used in wvw again… nothing was better than running around as a dolyak knocking people off cliffs.

I just run a troll build in Spvp for the lulz. its literally so easy to hold a point down dont understand why they claim its sooo skilled.
PVE while yes it is boring it nets me a weeks worth of gold in a day so yea…lol

Dr Acula.3496:

Mike.7320:

Jinks.2057:

EFWinters.5421:

Jinks.2057:

Pinko.2076:

Sol is right, FA and DB have moved on from t3 with superior skill and organization. Maguuma is just sitting in mumble playing dating simulators all day on their welfare checks.

I thought the guild formerly know as Mag All Stars but now go by Mag Zerg Stars were the only ones doing this…..

Apparently Ark is a small-man roaming guild now.

Wow that 1st week of Ebay vs Mag was detrimental to Mag….not only did GF sweep GvG, but they chased off Agg and broke up Ark

Wow.

Hard to imagine Ebay chasing anyone anywhere.

Must be fun to hype up GF when half our players no longer bother to log in anymore.

he I still log on….I just dont WvW anymore. I dont see any future in it like I used to.

their Esports is a joke. just stand on a point longer than the other team and you win.
this created gimmicky builds.

Hell I was able to keep a point caped on my thief with a DB spam build it was just to trollish and no skill I felt dirty after

any update on when the next GvG showdown vid will be up?

Not bad.
reminds me of how I used to play my Thief.

gesho.9468:

i’m just curios, if any of this miraculously was indeed to happen, how much qq will be there for skill-less pve crowd ruining hotjoins and solos

I doubt anet will care since more ppl playing spvp they can say its a success.
its all about the #’s bro.

going to bring that back to the front page to keep getting more suggestions.

saiyr.3071:

Is this make Evalana feel old day? Sheeeesh

no its make the rest of us feel young day

Evalana.5480:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

~class of 2017~

Class of 1999 (hs) 2003 (college)

Big sister maybe. Aunt maybe. Grandma? Noooooo

im class of 2007 (HS) 2010 (College)
and i think im old lol

Samhayn.2385:

150% magic find is 150 × 0% chance to get anything useful in wvw. no thanks

I have had guild members get several precursors from dead players. more magic find = more gold for us WvW players.

My necro is named Dark Wizard Incar.
Got the name from 2 different classes from a game called Dekaron which I played before I got GW2.

GvG will be the Esport of this game. Not Spvp.
Anet needs to learn from their mistake and make the needed changes to this can thrive.

My Idea’s to bring more ppl to Spvp
1 - to get the general PVE crowd in create a new custom area/matchmaking to allow their gear/skills and stats to remain the same as if they where in pve/wvw. - why? No one wants to go into spvp looking like a noob and having to rebuild a simi decent class.
Current Spvp players will be able to use their glory to get PVE stat gear to compensate for this since we all hate to PVE but some choose to do it anyway
2 - create a GvG ladder with the above matchmaking but make it TDM to attract the many wvw guilds that actively look for fights instead of capping points. this can range from 5v5 to 15v15 and each should have its own ladder.
3 - Make Spvp rewards mean something outside of the mist. make Unique weapons/back piece for tournament wins, create Spvp legendary weapons to show off how pro you are in Spvp compared to the PVE crowd

IDK just a few ideas off the top of my head.

No bad.
Makes me want to jump back into WvW......but the bloodlust just kills it for me.

it should be 50% magic find per buff for a total of 150%
this should not give any stat buffs.

Boonprot.6274:

Wow so glad EBay is in this matchup. I rly like getting zerged down 10+ vs 2 while roaming.

it happens to all of us.

Kimhyuna.1035:

Oh you want to have fun? Why sPVP is always there if you like balance!

I lol’d

DevonCarver.5370:

Lord Kuru.3685:

If they did listen to us, it’s only because of drastically declining WvW numbers (as stated in Devon’s infamous alpha forum post).

To head it off at the pass, there have not been drastically declining WvW numbers, or even marginally declining numbers. WvW continues to be as strong as it has been over the past several months. We made some decisions internally and were able to accommodate changes that it didn’t seem feasibly originally and that’s why the changes that are going to be announced later this week happened.

are you looking at anything other than T1/T2?

Los Re.4607:

You can even put an item in gem shop so we can pay for our guild battles (similar to custom arenas). This way you make everyone happy and you make some good money.

Pay for a GvG arena…… YES PLEASE
just as long as its not restricted on gear and food

Ill have to check but my highest but its in the 190’s

my final build with 25 stacks of might and 25 stacks of corruption should tick for 205, thats my goal.

DevonCarver.5370:

We will have an announcement about the NA leagues and seasons generally soon. But there are changes coming in.

Changes shocked
is it possible we get more that 2 leagues?

Gahzirra.8639:

Brando.1374:

I use full dire armor with scavenging runes
Weapons I have 1 staff Dire W/geo sigil, 1 scepter Dire w/Geo, 2 Dire daggers (1 with corruption, the other Bursting) I do have a legendary dagger so thats the one that has bursting.

over all I love my bleed ticks.

GF advice hmmm…just kidding, had to Borlis Pass ; ) Thanks Brando, I will swap out the energy and go both Staff/Scepter Geo. I hope they make some better on swap sigils in next patch…still not a fan of geomancy since split time between large group and roaming.

it works well for me since I have a tendency to get in the thick of things so 3 stacks of AOE bleeds works wonders to make some get away from me and clear them

I use full dire armor with scavenging runes
Weapons I have 1 staff Dire W/geo sigil, 1 scepter Dire w/Geo, 2 Dire daggers (1 with corruption, the other Bursting) I do have a legendary dagger so thats the one that has bursting.

over all I love my bleed ticks.

NO
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NO

Anet has already said they dont care about GvG. if they think adding something that will effectively destroy GvG to benefit WvW they will do it.

Does the Stat boost from the update go into the Eternal jumping puzzle?

Rufy.6093:

xDudisx.5914:

Looks like the solution is to build trebs in the keeps and 1 or 2 stay there to treb the ruin. Time to lvl up treb mastery. Looks like they only care about spvp ¬¬.

What have they done for spvp? This patch was for you guys. Sure they failed, but still they give you much more attention.

Attention? lol
this patch is an attempt to get all GvG guild to leave WvW and make a new home in Spvp. Sadly Spvp will never fit with the GVG guilds.

Rufy.6093:

The spvp community will happily welcome all of you.

If only they would give us what we need to have out GvG’s
but since anet could care less about it we wont be going there. sorry.