I feel like you are very biased about warriors. Hey, I play one too, it was my first toon, but don’t act like kill shot is impossible to hit. When I played greatsword/rifle for fun, it really was not hard to land kill shots if you weren’t being focused. However, mine never hit that hard. This is way out of line.
It’s not out of line. It takes a lot of specialized building to reach those numbers – the warrior sacrifices a lot to get there. The skill has an incredible telegraph, and the warrior is a sitting duck while channelling it. I don’t like the skill either, because every warrior I’ve seen building for it is terrible and easily slaughtered.
I’ve actually been hit by it also, but I just laughed at myself for not seeing it, because it is really telegraphed, what with the long wind up, the going down on one knee, the neon sign over the warriors head, etc. Coming here to QQ about it is kinda over the top.
I’m not at all biased about warriors. I just hate all of the troll posts from people who cry nerf to things that are easily avoided just because they don’t understand how to fight the profession. I main a warrior, but I also have all of the other professions but necro and ele (couldn’t talk my self into buying more character slots since having lots of alts is punishing in this game). I kill warriors easily on thief, mesmer, and engineer. Really easily. Super easily. Ranger not so much, but that’s because I suck really bad on my ranger.
Mabye this is because I was playing an ele, and I have to work my rear end off just to survive(being this was a group fight). He saw that my endurance was gone, and I didn’t have my air 4(reflect projectiles) available. I’m not really complaining about the warrior necessarily, but the fact that this can happen.
Wait what? Your mad a character geared and built for full out damage was able to one shot another squishy player after having seen him use his reflects and evades? Its called counter play.
I use it on my bunker condi build. Mostly because theres nothing better. I use keen edge too, and 10 stacks of decent lasting bleeds (the utility being pre-castable) isn’t bad at all. Not great, but not bad either
You can’t have barkskin and empathic bond at the same time, having spirits follow you seems useless without spirits, spiders don’t have such long imobs even traited it’s kitten not 12s oh and no there is nothing OP about this several classes will eat it alive.
I meant you can trade bark skin and bond depending on who you’re fighting. I also meant to post 20/0/30/10/10 youre right i dont use spirits. As for jungle spiders immob, look at the tooltips. And what exactly can eat this alive?
So you plan to duel opponents knowing beforehand what they do? well ok then you can swap otherwise it will be impossible obviously, spider tooltip will be showing your extra condition duration without having it just look before and after eating food and you’ll see it, warrior will eat it alive bow/s+s does it with ease, that’s not to say this is a bad build I run a similar thing myself I know it’s strong but it’s definetly not OP.
Yeah you can. Its he same thing as swapping signet of the hunt before a fight to something more useful, or switching for that extra condi clear when you see that engi coming around the corner.
Well to all the “op” whiners – bomb kit reduces my dmg of big ol bomb by almost 600 , so it is weaker then exotic rifle (when i am not in the kit its way bigger dmg). I dont want rifle stats to apply but kit stats to be at least better, is this so much to ask? While other classes (we all know which one) have very usefull dps skills , many , many weapons, this sould be done to engineer months ago.
But when we got sigils on kits after 1 year, so who knows if it will be afterall “engineer is in the decent place right now”, I would not call it decent, more “kittenty”, but heck , what do I know, I just play only engineer since the beginning, witnessing all the nerfs and not fixed bugs….
Again huh? Copy/pasted from my reply to the OP.
We do have weapon stats just not weapon strength. Weapon strength is automatically applied as the average for exotic weapons to all kits.
Rangers are UP, there are one or two broken builds (condi-spirit bunker and spirit bunker) that make them appear balanced and competitive to Anet. Have you tried a cat/bird in your build? then you will get arround 30% of a berserkers damage
Sure a badly played ranger is UP. But so is any other class. This build well played is next to god tier. I run a raven as my off pet but ive been experimenting with the lightning drake lately. As soon as i see them take a spider immob ill swap pets, drop a bonfire on them, and point blank split blade. Thats my standard burst combo
You can’t have barkskin and empathic bond at the same time, having spirits follow you seems useless without spirits, spiders don’t have such long imobs even traited it’s kitten not 12s oh and no there is nothing OP about this several classes will eat it alive.
I meant you can trade bark skin and bond depending on who you’re fighting. I also meant to post 20/0/30/10/10 youre right i dont use spirits. As for jungle spiders immob, look at the tooltips. And what exactly can eat this alive?
Utilities and a trait line will have to come later. Example: Blinding Powder would be renamed to ‘Cheese Dust.’ This ability would allow you to vanish in a Cheeto’s dust explosion.
Gem Store Exclusive ‘Cheese Finisher’: A tiny man from a bakery slowly grinds up cheese with a cheese grater over the enemies corpse.
Oh, and for those of you who are lactose intolerant, you’d better start begging ANET for some resist gear.
2k condi dmg before stacks, 3k armor, and a ranger with 24k health? Not to mention very high protection uptime, and the evade spam. Your spider can put out 12 seconds of immobilize, forcing people to sit through your entire bonfire and allowing you to quickly put on your condi burst.
Perma weakness from axe 3, bark skin, and protect me combined with your high passive defenses make it impossible for any power build to kill you. Empathatic bond and signet of renewal make it impossible for any condi build to kill. Combine this all with your stupid high amount of condition dmg and youve got an extremely powerful roaming/1vX build.
The only thing i do is solo roam. Occasionally i do PVE to get ascended and skins to look better while i roam. Also working on spvp r30.
But every single roaming build is labeled “cheese” nowadays. Makes it a bit discouraging knowing when i win ill get flamed for playing some OP cheese build
I completely agree with you. Everything is cheese now a days, and not just on thief class. Condi engi-cheese, hammer warrior-facerolling cheese, condi war-cheese, perma stealth-perma cheese, PU phantasm-cheese.
@QQers, im sorry you can’t l2p and 3v1 some people
Tho a quick question.
Have you found a way to make it work in Spvp/tpvp ? I kinda lack damage output or survivability if i try any kind of power/crit Pu build.
Ending up relying heavily on the teamm8’s. Where a condition PU build does not have that problem .
cheerz Tripp
Dont use PU in spvp. You can’t cap points while invis
I’m not sure why D/D would use soldiers, to be honest. You want a decent health pool to take a hit or two while out of stealth, but you shouldn’t be in the open for prolonged periods.
Toughness reduces the direct dmg you take. You’re gonna take a hit occasionally, no matter how pro you are. Read the link
its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.
i killed a lot of thieves from ET 1v1. i know how to deal with them 1v1. what annoys me is their abuse of stealth. i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is beyond normal. i dont know why anet hasnt noticed that yet.
Again, this is not spvp. Welcome to WvW. Some things are different.
Hmm ok cool. Just a question or two with power PU.
Is knights armor and a combo of valk and zerk trinkets ok? Also are centaur runes ok due to lack of general mobility. I play many classes and don’t have a main so traveler not an option.
If you look at osicats guide it shows you the exact gear you want. Follow that exactly.
Also to get gold just run some of the really quick and easy dungeons every day. CoF 1, CoE 1, AC 1 and 2, TA up, HotW 1. I get ~15 gold from doing this in about 2-3 hours every day right after reset (so lots of others are doing it to) and you also get tokens to buy gear and weapons with.
who wants to join me in making a build that resembles the old dd ele as closely as possible, you need to stack alotta might, great mobility, great healing and as best an engi can get with Condi removal since we can’t exactly get close to an eles amount of Condi removal.
you will also need to mimic typical dd ele combos, this isn’t going to be an easy build to accomplish, but I have faith we can accomplish it.
I dont think its possible. Youd absolutely need bomb kit+rocket boots, and i think elixir S would fit best since its kinda like mist form. But you won’t do the same dmg, or have a teleport, or stability, or good burst dmg, or good condi clear. Which makes it just an engineer build. Why make a D/D ele engi build when you could make an ele D/D build?
1. Are you level 80? If no youre a walking loot bag for players
2. You’re coming back to the game from a long break. You need time to understand basic game mechanics before you jump right into fighting other players
3. Not only are you coming back to the game, youre coming to a class youve never played before and have no idea about any little tricks or anything really
Give warriors blinds/stealth/defensive boons/teleports and you can nerf their armor and health. The thing is those kinds of things take skill to use defensively, and most people dont know how. however if you can skillfully use them they are much more powerful than some extra armor or health would give you. This is why warrior is the easiest class to pick up and get the hang of. Because we dont have any of those that you have actively use for defense. All weve got is our armor and health regen. Thats why warrior will always look better on paper, because its not easy to see the defense that those things give you in actual combat.
for some funny reason all the forum have a ‘’OMG WE ARE DOOMED THEY NERFING US’’ topic right now… Ill just ignore the cry of the OP because that nerf is actualy perfectly legitimate. Those that aint happy with a weaker regen of 700 per second (trololololol) will just have to run healing surge again or regen banners (please go ahead and cry so i can feed on your tears)
PVT armor is fine for Wv3. I run D/D+SB with full zerker orbs, and trinkets… zerging, roaming, havoc and I do fine.
Interesting to know that at least one person is getting some mileage out of Soldier’s as a Thief. :-) Thanks for responding.
After a concurrent discussion on Reddit, I think I’ll just farm gold and tokens in CoF. With my gold, I’ll buy Exotic Dire off of the TP, and with my tokens I’ll buy Exotic Berserker.
Lastly, you can do whatever you want, with whatever build you want… and you’re gonna get facerolled regardless of your gear and equipment when you first go out; so get some karma gear and futz with your build before you spend your hard earned gold on something.
True enough. I spent some time in WvW with some cheap Rare Berserker gear, trying to get the hang of D/P. I felt so awkward, trying to time my burst without missing my smoke field with my Heartseeker or whiffing a key Backstab because I misjudged my range. I leveled by condi Deathblossom spamming, so it’s a new playstyle. :-)
Thanks, all, for your input. I continue to appreciate the awesomeness of the GW2 community. :-)
Or you could run CoF for zerkers and CoE for dire. Get both sets completely free and have lots of gold for skins
I think I’ma just continue Engi.. all I need is a good build and I’ll be good
Equip bomb kit. Stack power. #4 on bomb kit will basically make you immune to damage in pve. Use elixir b, medkit, and rocket boots once available for fast movement speed. Put first 10 traits into explosions and grab forcefully explosives. Put next 10 into tools and get speedy kits. You can now use whatever utilities you want with bomb kit. Then put 10 more into alchemy and get invigorating speed. You now have perma vigor and swiftness. The rest of your points can go wherever.
duelist is still better. that is all. lol duel swords…last time i ran into someone in arena with that trash phantasm build it was a joke lol. but i guess when it comes to pve, you do with anything
Build had nothing to do with it. You just faced a bad player
You mind backing up your claim as to why offhand sword is horrible? Its got a 5k+ block, and a hard hitting phantasm that attacks faster than duelist. ???
i don’t know about s/s with phantasm build – i’d rather go s/p and gs. any good phantasm build is going to have 25 pts in inspiration. i roll with 0/30/15/25/0 w/full zerker. it’s been amazing in getting me my champ illusionist title and twice as amazing in open world pve.
Thats not true at all. Any phantasm doesn’t need 25 in inspiration. You get the same thing with 10 domination anyway. And swordsmen can crit for 6k+ soooo…
Thanks for the feedback! I like both your setups but cant help but feel like lyssa runes vs a real condi class will save me from one condi spike….then all conditions are reapplied in seconds. I could be wrong but i cant help but feel that lemongrass plus cleanse ire plus the signet should be enough mitigation rather than one time cleanse. Tell me if i am mistaken tho bc i am no master warrior lol!
only reason i say this is i run traveler runes on my thief and they are pretty awesome. 25% movement in and out of combat! and you still get some condi & boon duration and some stat spread. Any more feedback would be greatly appreciated…and maybe a video :o
Its just that having that one more condi cleanse is very effective. Not to mention the aegis, protection, and stability have saved my kitten multiple times
That is the correct clip i was talking about, thank you for linking it. And how do you think the build in the OP would fare in comparison? Using focus pull to set up unavoidable zerker/iwarden? I just like 20 in illusions for faster recharge, and theyll attack faster making it hard to mitigate. But thoughts?
Phantasmal haste is broken. Works only on duelists and mages.
Still? Are they ever gonna fix that? March patch maybe?
I will very much agree that our greatest weakness is blind/evade classes. Thieves are the main culprit, but mesmers are also quite slippery as well. (Well a good one) nothing more annoying than getting blinded in the middle of earthshaker or Backbreaker animation. However once you get them locked down they go down pretty fast.
So ive come up with something we can do to these troll threads. Idk how many of you watch collegehumor on YouTube, but they recently made a video called “Internet troll under a bridge” so whenever someone makes a troll post or thread, everyone just link that video.
I am actually keen to see this happen.
Every week this forum (probably all class forums to be realistic) sees people claiming the class is either terribad or OP as fug, it’s probably a waste of time responding with anything other than jokes at this point :P
Lets do it then. Anet sticky plis so everyone knows
I just think its funny how yesterday there was a deleted troll thread complaining how UP engis are in all areas of the game, and now theres this guy complaining how unkilkable and OP engis are.
So ive come up with something we can do to these troll threads. Idk how many of you watch collegehumor on YouTube, but they recently made a video called “Internet troll under a bridge” so whenever someone makes a troll post or thread, everyone just link that video.
That is the correct clip i was talking about, thank you for linking it. And how do you think the build in the OP would fare in comparison? Using focus pull to set up unavoidable zerker/iwarden? I just like 20 in illusions for faster recharge, and theyll attack faster making it hard to mitigate. But thoughts?
