Guild Wars 2

The argument that not wanting to play in a group means you should just play a single player game drives me so nuts.
Not wanting to group to perform tasks doesn’t mean that the robust interactive world and economy of a MMO is worthless. There is a great many reasons to play in a mmo other then to group with others.
I feel the people who think that are probably the same people who think their idiotic political, sexual or just plain banine babble and smalltalk is enjoyable to others.

From what i understood there will be more than one specialization for each class. Otherwise if the specialization was just simply better than the original class everyone would choose it and there would be nothing “special” about it.

From what i understood there will be more than one specialization for each class. Otherwise if the specialization was just simply better than the original class everyone would choose it and there would be nothing “special” about it.

That’s pretty much the basics. When engaging on an enemy try to use infil strike behind something you can use to Los so you can retreat and have a few seconds of breathing room if you need to. Imo what makes an sd thief average vs really good is how they use infil strike/return

You can try somethin like this

http://youtu.be/2tP0iinmcE4

Rhaegar.5120:

Justine.6351:

I used to run CELESTIAL condi healing shouts

S/s, lb
Soldier runes
0/0/4/6/4

Got so kitten ed boring though.

what kind of gear were you using?

Some people…

Yishis has a very recent video of a hybrid p/d build. 20606, uses full celestial and strength runes. You stack might in stealth an have strong direct and condi dmg from weapon skills and steal.

+1 for adventure club, but you make A LOT of really basic mistakes. Not to mention you showcase a lot of fights with bad players or players just not equipped at all to deal with you. As an example you start off the video with a 1v1 between a staff ele. No one wants to see that, as its a pretty easy win for someone specced for 1v1s. Then you popped stability to stomp an ele with absolutely no one around. Sure it doesn’t really matter but what if right after you finished stomping you got CC chained. You wouldn’t be able to do anything about it because you just blew your stab, and for no reason either. Just little things like this throughout the video made me cringe.

apocom.3172:

Hi, I’ve running this build for a few hours now and it is suprisingly good and fun. I don’t know, but I think it doesn’t look that good on paper.

And I agree with mango and Carpboy. Swapping RFI for IS was one of the first things I’ve done. Feels smoother for me.

I’ve ran this build quite a bit in the past myself. The damage is higher than 20066 but in the end, sleight of hand is just too good of a trait to pass up. The damage isn’t THAT much better either

I agree with mango, you didnt use roll once in the video while there were several times you could have used infil signet to close a gap and finish a kill quicker

Why are you bumping it??

A build is much more than just your utilities. A build is your utilities, traits, stats, and general play style. Specify whether this is for PVE, WvW, or spvp and then put your build into a website like gw2skill.net to link onto these forums

I’ve been using 20606 dp for awhile now in WvW. There is not a class or build too difficult to take down. Hell ive even won a 1v7v7. The sheer amount of utility you have is unbelievable. Being able to interrupt resses mid stomp with steal has win an in umerable amount of 1v2s/3s, and being able to interrupt an eles ether renewal through armor of earth has also won me multiple 1v1s. Its an amazing build, and for anyone curious i definitely suggest trying it. Never tried d/d before, you just can’t do anything compared to dp :/ dual wielding daggers looks so bad as tho so props to those who pull i off.

My gear setup is also slightly different from yours. I opt for less health and crit chance in favor of more ferocity and toughness.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaFmgmQ4u2qZeH+bZtCA-TlCFABA8AAuSJISK/eU9HBOBARcIAqZ/hM0Bkm2gFOCAkCochRA-w

This looks fun.

emilejuggernaut.1864:

Any suggestions for builds etc and i found mesmer was so far as you are literally there to serve others.

But at least with mesmers you are still useful and can bring something unique to the group. Thieves and rangers provide pretty much nothing another class can’t already. That said, check out the respective classes forum page if you want to try and find a build

Jana.6831:

@ Bazzoong: Why would I want condition damage on my D/D – set?

Death blossom gives 3 stacks of long lasting bleeds, poison on auto, still uses power and precision with backstab

They are both probably the worst classes possible for zerging. But they can still be ok with a decent build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJAoYhcMacW4wzBf0AdAB5xpvRBlzbnB-TlyHABvpFIE1dYSJYPKxIUlgBeAALp8wBdAAcCAEZ3hAAIAczbezbezbWGA9tA-w

Only celestial is amulet and rings, which should be pretty easy to get with laurels+badges

Yes, we did get nerfed. But you just forgot how to play a thief :P

As i said in the other thread, i very very much prefer 60206. The overall DPS is about the same as crit strikes, its just the burst is lower. however because of the weakness, condi clear, and long lasting immob you dont have to spend as much time playing defensively in shortbow, which translates into more damage. you cant really show it on paper, but its there. And now you can actually win fights vs builds you would have no chance at with 26006. Getting a panic strike off on a thief in SR, or a mesmer right before they stealth is also huge and easily translate into more burst than 26006. Not to mention double shadowstep/refuge has saved my kitten countless times. I really think there is no point to run 26006 anymore at all

EnderzShadow.2506:

Carpboy.7145:

My bad. In any case, you need condi removal. “Oh, but ill just play smart and dodge/blind the conditions”. It doesn’t work that way, at least in WvW. Trust me, 20606 dp is probably the best 1v1/1vx build in the game. I have been roaming with this build for almost 4 months now, and have lost only one 1v1 against a condi burst warr, while also winning too numerous to count 1v1s, 1v2s, 1v3s, even a few 1v4s. You can barely 1v1 with 26006, let alone 1vX. WvW is just too different from spvp

Why don’t more builds use traveler runes or signet of shadows?

I would think that either would be a must have for WvW.

Most builds do use signet of shadows, however most people will also swap it out to something more useful like infil signet or blinding powder before they begin a fight. In combat swiftness is covered by steal and pack runes. Traveler runes are garbage on a thief

Take a look at: http://metabattle.com/

DrDivine.5378:

sendmark.4731:

Right now it does look that way, some have tried sword+torch in place of staff, usually if without a thief, but staff is such a great kite weapon and has chaos storm. Greatsword is very strong for the ranged damage, even just pressing 1 does good damage with air+fire sigils, let alone everything else.

This is without even getting into the shatter side of it, massive aoe damage on mindwrack (and with mirroblade/beserker putting them right on top of the enemy), boon stripping and the interrupt from diversion.

Would you say it’s still viable if I use the 20% more mindwrack damage trait over the trait that inflicts 600 damage upon interrupting a foe?

Yes, its still viable, however with the double ranged shatter you have access to a lot of interrupts (gs# 5, staff#5, diversion) and the dmg from halting strike crits for about 2k, which adds up to quite a bit. The 20% more mind wrack dmg is more of a one trick pony thing. Yes you get 20% more dmg on your biggest burst of dmg, but youd get the same dmg out of halting strike, just not all tied to one easily dodgeable ability

No one can help you if you don’t tell the game mode :P

My bad. In any case, you need condi removal. “Oh, but ill just play smart and dodge/blind the conditions”. It doesn’t work that way, at least in WvW. Trust me, 20606 dp is probably the best 1v1/1vx build in the game. I have been roaming with this build for almost 4 months now, and have lost only one 1v1 against a condi burst warr, while also winning too numerous to count 1v1s, 1v2s, 1v3s, even a few 1v4s. You can barely 1v1 with 26006, let alone 1vX. WvW is just too different from spvp

This is just going too far!

A whole kittening month of your stupid kittening WvW tournament garbage!

I play spvp, i have no interest in your failed game mode.

Move this kitten from the UI as soon as possible!

If you scroll up youll see i already posted what i use for WvW, but here it is again

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fgw2skills.net%2Feditor%2F%3FfZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhwdtSz8O83yaFA-TlCFABrpJAgHAwVKBRS53jq%2FIwJAom9HSTPABHBgFOEAECw8EA-w

Im sad/disappointed you play without 6 in trickery :’(

Well there is no rule “you have to use shortbow at least 80% of the time or youre bad.” For 1v1s it is very useful vs some of the builds that hard counter you, like engi or DPS guard. In team fights, you use it when not using it would mean suicide. Thats pretty much it. Also, what is it about the panic strike build you can’t get used to?

Redxon.6832:

Carpboy.7145:

This doesn’t work. Healing signet scales HORRIBLY with healing power. With 1900 healing (which is the absolute max you can get in the game, food buffs/full life stacks/healing as a main stat on every piece of gear) youll only pull out like 500 HPS, which is only a 150ish HPS increase, but at the cost doing absolutely no dmg and being pretty much just as easy to kill. The only thing that scales ok with healing power on a warrior is vigorous shouts and banner regen

Hm i see. So if I want my little balanced idea probably best to go zerk armor + ptv trinkets?

No. Go cavalier armor with zerker weapons and trinkets. Warrior already has a massive health pool without any additional vitality, so soldiers is a waste. They also have very easy access to fury and so dont need as much precision from gear. Hence cavalier

This doesn’t work. Healing signet scales HORRIBLY with healing power. With 1900 healing (which is the absolute max you can get in the game, food buffs/full life stacks/healing as a main stat on every piece of gear) youll only pull out like 500 HPS, which is only a 150ish HPS increase, but at the cost doing absolutely no dmg and being pretty much just as easy to kill. The only thing that scales ok with healing power on a warrior is vigorous shouts and banner regen

And what happens if you don’t want to play another game with that group? Your entire group can be complete noobs an the only reason you won is because the other team had worse noobs. I dont want to be forced into a team full of bads. No thanks

You can do this on your own anyway. Right click your team to invite to party and after the match go team queue

Yes. If you don’t suck

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/A-small-thank-you-giveaway

He got you guys good. The winky face at the end of the OP said it all

Evalia.7103:

Carpboy.7145:

Darigen.2309:

Hi guys!

Could you just post your builds in a build constructor? (Because of patched runes, traits etc.)

I’m really curious about the D/P 6-0-2-0-6 builds in WvW and PvP.

I mean I’m also a returner and i would like to try some new things after i came back. My only build, that ever used the entire Trickery line was a condi thief, but I would really like to give it a try in a power based build.

Greetings!

Spvp:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBMBxVP8ONnpNangdHAA-TpBFwACOBAEOCA12fYxhAoaZAAPAAA

WvW:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhwdtSz8O83yaFA-TlCFABrpJAgHAwVKBRS53jq/IwJAom9HSTPABHBgFOEAECw8EA-w

No, i dont have guard stacks and yes i run around with 11k health.

just go full zerk )) balls deep.
Been awhile since I’ve seen someone link a somewhat decent build here on forums :P
But then again D/P isn’t my boat.

The reason i use cavalier is because most of the time im never fighting 1v1s. A lot of my time roaming involves either solo or duo zergbusting with another thief. But if i could find a lot of fair 1v1s then id just roam with the panic strike build too

It only bleeds if you hit the target from the back or sides

What i would choose

Elite Signet of Air
Passive: 25% increased movement speed
Active: who cares

Literally all i want

Your name is so familiar…

Darigen.2309:

Hi guys!

Could you just post your builds in a build constructor? (Because of patched runes, traits etc.)

I’m really curious about the D/P 6-0-2-0-6 builds in WvW and PvP.

I mean I’m also a returner and i would like to try some new things after i came back. My only build, that ever used the entire Trickery line was a condi thief, but I would really like to give it a try in a power based build.

Greetings!

Spvp:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBMBxVP8ONnpNangdHAA-TpBFwACOBAEOCA12fYxhAoaZAAPAAA

WvW:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhwdtSz8O83yaFA-TlCFABrpJAgHAwVKBRS53jq/IwJAom9HSTPABHBgFOEAECw8EA-w

No, i dont have guard stacks and yes i run around with 11k health.

Full zerker + shadows resilience sounds interesting. You can get plenty of sustain out of mug and life steal food anyway. I may have to try this

This would need an ICD of like 10-15sec otherwise you have people full healing themselves just from dodging and not even using their heal skill. The amount of dodges acro sd has is insane, and without an ICD it would have to be only like 5-10%. In addition, how would this work against attacks that apply conditions? Would it heal based off of how much the condition would have ticked for had it been left on the full duration or would it just be based off the power aspect of the skill. Because the former would be ridiculously OP and the latter would be ridiculously UP

In games with you and another thief (any more and you really should switch) try roaming together and focusing down the same people. No one can withstand tht amoun of pressure for any length of time, so essentially you always will have more people than the enemy does in team fights because both of you can down a squishy together before they can even do a thing. I never switch unless i actually want to play another class, because you can never really trust the random people you get in queues to play their class well (especially with thief) and yet a good thief is a massive asset to the team. I trust myself a lot more than the typical thief and so i never switch unless we have like 3+thieves and a mes or something, in which case the game is probably already lost.

As for 1v1s, it depends on what the 1v1 is. If its a condi/cele/turret engi, or a Dps guard, or a good d/d cele ele (i say good on ele because you should be able to beat the bad-average ones fairly easily with 60206). Any of those there really is no point attempting a 1v1 as in almost every single case you will lose the fight, lose the point, and give their team a free +5 points from your death. The best you can do is try distracting them off point and hoping for a teammate to come help. However anything other than those you should be able to beat with relative ease. Again, keep them blinded AT ALL TIMES. Blind>>>>>>>> stealth, and shadowshot is ALMOST always >>>> than HS both for finishing off and chasing.

The way to 1v1 people with trickery dp is to keep them blinded AT ALL times. Dodge the stuff you can’t blind, and dont be afraid to use steal defensively if you need to. Another protip: you can use steal on someone/something out of range and it will break stuns, but putting steal on cooldown for 4 seconds. But yeah, just keep them blinded at all costs, and get good at predicting and interrupting heals with headshot. If theres someone you just cannot beat, for w/e reason, dont bother giving them a free 5 points from your death. Be useful somewhere else. Switching up to shortbow is also a very good strategy as not many people are used to it. The difference between a good and a bad thief is their shortbow use. Its not just to move around the map faster.

What follows will be a quick guide to D/p, and thief in general in spvp. First off: you shouldn’t be looking for 1v1s. Yes, you can 1v1 fairly well against most builds but thats wasting your potential as a thief. Your main focus should be +1ing fights and making short work of the attackers or making it an even numbered fight for your team. As soon as the person attacking is down drop black powder for your teammate to stomp and immediately move on to the next area youre needed most. Obviously this doesn’t apply if there are more than one attacker. You need to have a good knowledge of the matchups certain professions have against others, and in general ALWAYS be watching the minimap. There is so much you can learn from watching it, i cannot stress it enough. If you see that warrior rushing your home again but your ranger whos defending has already beaten him 1-2 times that match already you probably don’t need to help your ranger, and can go do something more useful. Keep an eye over there tho in case another enemy shows up and makes it a 1v2. If you see their condi engi going over to 1v1 your necro, or their thief going over to 1v1 your DPS guard, then you can almost always rest assured and help elsewhere.

Always always always be counting the number of enemies both on the minimap and that you can see. This is huge for getting free caps on their home. If you really get good at it theyll either send 2 people to deal with you in which case just forget about capping the point, your whole purpose is to troll those 2 people for as long as possible, letting your team 4v3 the rest of the map. If you mess up, or someone else joins then dont be afraid to get the hell away. A dead thief is a useless thief and every second you spend downed is a second you could be either free capping an empty point or +1ing a fight in your teams favor. (To add on to that, theres no point sticking around in a 3v2 once you down one of the 2 enemies. Just drop some poison and then go on to the next fight.)

In crazy, hectic, AoE, condi spam team fights shortbow is your absolute best friend. Your primary targets should be the other teams glassy people, primarily mesmers and other thieves, although staff and scepter eles are also very easy prey. In general i like to follow this list for who to focus

Mesmer>
Thief>
Necro>
Engi>
Ranger>
Warrior>
Ele>
Guard>

Obviously that list can very easily change depending on the builds of each specific person in your match but if theyre all running meta builds then i would generally follow that list. There are also some exceptions of course, like if their warrior is already at <25% and already burned through both endure pains then you really wanna focus them down first.

Speaking of downed, as soon as you get someone down you should immediately start cleaving the body, either with choking gas+cluster bomb or using the dagger autoattack (cleave buff is awesome). If their teammates try to res immediately use headshot, saving steal for when (or if) they pop stability. Protip: you can be mid stomp and interrupt an enemy resser with steal and still get the stomp off. In general, let your bunkers do the stomping unless someone dies off point. Then its up to you to either blackpowder/shadowstep stomp or to just DPS a bit and let them bleed out.

First off, welcome back! Although thief suffered a few really undeserved nerfs last patch its still one of the strongest classes for any game mode. You just have to be that much better now. Forgive any mistakes as im typing all of this on my phone.

The advantage of 26006 i would say is team fights, specifically arriving to them late so that your enemies will have (hopefully) whittled through their defensive cooldowns and gotten them to 50% or lower. Until someone drops below 50% you should just be spraying the node with choking gas and cluster bombs, helping your team whittle them down. Once someone gets low switch to your dagger and you can make very short work of them. This build can 1v1 any power builds very well, but a condi engi or d/d cele ele will absolutely destroy you.

Thats where 60206 comes in. You have just as high burst, just lower crit chance (pack runes ftw) but you make up for that in your new 1v1 potential. Suddenly those cele eles and condi engis arent that tough at all anymore. You can actually withstand some crazy midfights now too. And with a semi coordinated team, panic strike is a GG for whichever unlucky players happens to get struck. Overall i much much prefer this build.

Yes, fresh air is an awesome trait and very much worth it. However its only use in PVE is to get back to spamming lightning whip after youve cycles through everything else.

In pvp and WvW however fresh air synergizes amazingly with scepter. The #2 skill for air on scepter has only a 5 sec CD, however since the lowest CD you can get normally on attunements is 10s you get only half the DPS out of this ability you normally would. Scepter has tons of burst dmg already available to it, and fresh air doesn’t change that. What fresh air does is add some sustained dmg to scepter because without fresh air you literally have none. Without fresh air youd be doing a 4-6k (attune to air+air#2) every 10seconds max, while with fresh air you can do that every 5sec, essentially doubling your DPS.

In addition, attaining to air and lightning strike can both be cast instantly at the same time, so are essentially unavoidable unless youre an idiot and try bursting people while blocking/dodging/invuln

If youre good thieves are awesome. If youre bad and try playing a thief then yes it’s very UP

“Exploit”. Lmao

26606 d/p thief, 66404 condi necro, 44606 hambow, 02666 d/d ele with diamond skin, 60464 cele engi, 20666 condi/BM/regen tank ranger, 44606 mesmer, 02666 unkilkable bunker guard. Im giving myself cancer

Thats actually heavy armor. Its the vigil set

Carpboy.7145:

Sad i didnt fotm a guard instead of a ranger

I made a ranger. Unfortunately 80 tomes later i realized i hate the play style. And ill have to buy another character slot if i want a guard now. Literally the ONLY reason i didnt roll a guard when i was trying to decide between guard or ranger was because i had nightmares of being kited to death. Of course a few days after i use all my tomes Anet introduces new sigils and runes that solve the problem i was worried about