Guild Wars 2

Sagat.3285:

I stopped doing unranked because I can’t guarantee Courtyard. TDM mode and build savers wanted!! Some players need to to l2p.

This x1000. I use to learn new classes in unranked until I kept getting sky hammer and courtyard over and over. So I just go ranked after a a little time in one of those public join servers

Feral.3609:

I used to main guardian. Played it exclusively for the first half year of the games release. Despite the bugs, crap traits/lines that haven’t been fixed, weapon sets, etc.. I stuck with it because overall it still fit the theme I wanted to play – heavy armor, supportive front line like a knight/paladin.

I quit guard when they announced dragon hunter, no regrets there.. moved all my ascended armor sets and legendary to my warrior. Then they make a push for condi warrior (the berserker). While it’s not as utterly disappointing as this backline fairy of a ranger, it still doesn’t quite fit what MOST of us GUARDIAN MAINS were looking for.

Unfortunately guys (and girls), we have to hop that revenant will fill the hole in our hearts. xD Until then, I suggest swapping to warrior or ele for now. They are much better “guardians” in my opinion.

Guards are still amazing. Reflects, blinds, blocks, condi clense, perms protection for fractals if needed, stability, AND team wide quickness every 30 seconds. Not many classes offer that much team support while doing good damage.(ignoring dragon hunter of course)

I like the OP’s thinking. What we will probably get however, is a bear to finish off our ranger transformation.

What weapons did that guard use

Isarii.2804:

Nike.2631:

Isarii.2804:

I still find it odd that one of the only classes without a 25% move speed passive bonus is supposed to have a kiting based elite specialization now; this functionality needs to find its way into the class somehow.

Wouldn’t the absence of a 25% speed trait tell you it’s NOT intended to be a kiting build? Wouldn’t the presence of not 1 but 2 “you cannot move or you will interrupt this cast” skills make even suggesting its a kiting spec sorta laughable?

I could just as easily point out the knockback, leap, Pure of Sight (more damage to distant enemies) trait, and addition of snare mechanics to the specialization. The Dragonhunter is clearly meant to maintain range (even the chanelled skills are evidence of this, as the self-root makes using them in close range not smart), and in any non-zerg situation, that means kiting – not to mention that kiting is usually a large part of getting things to actually run into your traps. The absence of a 25% speed trait doesn’t tell me that it’s not a kiting build – it tells me that the Dragonhunter doesn’t have all the tools it needs to do its job.

Or, that Anet doesn’t know what to do with this new traitline and we are getting the shortened of the stick. I would have been fine with mace offhand and some new stun centric build. But no… we get bear bow guards

Melanion.4892:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

so that means most players who pvp are actually pve players?

Doubtful.

Big living would yanking out all the pvpers. Open world too dank

Ghotistyx.6942:

Evidently, Guardian and Warrior aren’t the best fits for either of you. So instead, go find something you do like and keep the pretty arguments out of the forums.

What’s wrong with pretty things? You to need to embrace the pretty wonders of the world.

Azure.8670:

warriors are forced to take stances and fast hands, and fast hands is basically mandatory for berserker due to the pathetic CD and uptime. Rage skills arent even an option, even though they suck anyway, and we lose not 1 but 2 traitlines to use berserker. please.

I wish I was forced to take a 5 second reduction on my weapon swap cooldown… or a trait to let me run 25% faster so I don’t have to keep using traveler runs in wvw or pvp….

Killyox.3950:

Our Facet of Nature + your Quickness shout… YEAH!

What does Rev bring to the PvE meta?

For example: thief is invis skips and blind spam with pistol

Warrior: is fat might stacks. EZ constant 20

Ele: huge dps

Guard: reflects and condi clear

Etc…

What does Rev bring? I’ve had no time to try them, so I’m curious. After player dragon hunter I kept far from the beta to not throw up.

Misguided.5139:

Ragnarox.9601:

Y we have aegis at 50+ sec cd hooray

The passive on aegis is a 40s cooldown and with Communal Defenses, you can give aegis to allies every 15s when blocking an attack via any method.

(edit: 40, not 20 (which is the duration). Still much less than 50 and the rest remains true)

With retreat and VoC, you get 2 nice party wide blocks that is generally enough for like 90% of dungeon content.

Then if you add our blind spam and wall of reflect and shield of avenger, then you talking some serious damage mitigation. Oh and just for kittens throw in purging flame and 3 more condi removed party wide by our virtue. Guardian will not be replaced

Then stability and quickness… we too good!

Kicker.8203:

This is not a nerf to mesmer… they also rally when heir own clones die. I was playing 1v1 on ranger against a mesmer and it happened when noone was around. (no my pet didnt die)

People seem to be ignoring this fact. It makes mesmer strong as kitten.

I second some kind of wvw build. Prolly like a zerg type build.

GrandHaven.1052:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

GrandHaven.1052:

Problem is they can not wear shoulders at that level, so they lose on some defence.

Shoulders should be available from level1.

you don’t need shoulders, gloves and helmets for full defense.

chest, pants and boots are all you need.

I was under the impression that any armor peace that you can not hide provides you the added defense?

Learn something new every day

You are right and wrong. You are correct about all pieces you can hide not mattering. But wrong because you forgot you can hide your shoulders.

I get called a burn guard all the time. Power medi guard all the way. And bunker when we 5 manning.

You will lose a fair amount of sustain and control. The hammer pin is much easier to dodge than the sceptor pin. You also can’t keep pressure vs an ele who keeps putting fire on the floor without your ranged weapon. You lose your 3 attack block from focus#5 , condi clear/blind from focus#4. Your big 5k burst attack from focus exploding as well as the symbol from the scepter you can place at distance to distrupt a rez without putting yourself at harms reach. The things hammer brings is a blast finisher for might stacking and the ring of warding for position control. Hammer fits better for a bunker swap in a map like khylo for mid control. But, like others said, it can be used. Just keep in mind the trade offs.c

DeathPanel.8362:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

DeathPanel.8362:

Well considering your most substantiated argument for your point was “AH = poop” as well as your other simplistic talking points I suppose it would be best for everyone that you don’t give advice on builds going forward.

Straw man argument. How cute

It’s not a strawman argument if I quote you verbatim on something you said. Unless you don’t know what a strawman argument is, which at this point is looking very likely.

You are shifting the focus of the argument to an irrelevant thing. You are disregarding my actually argued points, to focus on something that has no baring on what we were discussing. There you go.

DeathPanel.8362:

Well considering your most substantiated argument for your point was “AH = poop” as well as your other simplistic talking points I suppose it would be best for everyone that you don’t give advice on builds going forward.

Straw man argument. How cute

Yami.2613:

if the trash is not to be farmed and thus drops no loot then why is it even there?

Good point. The dungeon should be 3 bosses, back to back. It would be just one room that poops out bosses. You solved it Yami! You beautiful Son of bitc….

DeathPanel.8362:

Saint.5647:

At worst, you get Guardians who use their shouts to heal themselves and waste the effects when they are actually needed. At best, you just get a decrease in overall efficiency from the wasted trait points.

Again with this same tired and weak talking point. What is with this “wasted trait points” thing? People like you just assert things without substantiation. How about you actually show how the trait points are wasted and what would you not consider a waste before you blindly assert things you haven’t demonstrated?

Why not go read the guide written by the most respected PVE guard. Its even stickied!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

DeathPanel.8362:

You do realize there’s 2 weapon slots for guardians right?

Who ever said you need to use the staff at all while fighting? You can either empower every 20 secs for 12 stacks of might to the team or you can save it as an emergency heal with AH in case you get low and heal is on cd. Or you can simply choose not to use it while in combat and use your primary weapon. Simply saying using a staff makes you bad just shows how simplistic and unsubstantiated your views are.

Its like you didn’t even read my post.. I clearly put GS+Sword/Focus or Hammer+… You know what.. It doesn’t even matter.

Next time anyone asks a question if their build is cool. I’ll say yes because Obtena said so. Since anything is cool. Just run it. Don’t even ask for advice here. No reason to learn how to optimize your guard. Just run whatever the heck you want.

And I’ll add one not to Lilith. And the reason they don’t follow you forever, is that would create a demand for thieves/engies. We all know we don’t want that.

DeathPanel.8362:

any guardian who knows what he’s doing always carries extra staff in inventory or as secondary.

If you use a staff to skip, how does that help you in a fight? We aren’t talking about out of combat or running to the next spot. In combat, you should… Should use either gs+sword/focus or Hammer+GS or Sword/Focus or Use staff to drop line of warding then go hammer and never swap back until you get ooc.

Staff is only used to fight or swap to in combat by bad players…. But if you don’t care about optimal play, then please ignore my posts.

Obtena.7952:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Anything is “viable”. Go look at naked dungeon runs. This isn’t the point. Its about choosing things over other things because they are better.

Um, it is EXACTLY the point because that’s what the OP is asking for.

Anything is technically viable…. So we should say yes to everything…. You just need patience and a lot of time on your hands.

I’m only posting here, so some new person doesn’t wander in this forums and read about AH and decide to run it. Its not a good build. But if you don’t care about running efficient things, then ignore my posts.

@Ob
But the heals are so pathetically small from it…. Its not even worth it. AH shines with a staff in PvP, since you can bunker hard with it. But in PvE, you simply should not run a staff. AH is just weak in dungeons. It is a waste of trait points.

@DP Anything is “viable”. Go look at naked dungeon runs. This isn’t the point. Its about choosing things over other things because they are better.

If your whole post was “Its viable, but not one of the best choices”, then I agree with you.

Here is what AH does. It makes bad players think that running more shouts than necessary is a good idea. Then those same players, seem to use the shouts as either ways to heal themselves, or with soldier runes only use shouts to remove condi which is silly.

AH promotes bad game play. If you need a shout on your bar, then do it. But it doesn’t require AH, since it is a giant waste of valuable trait points.

If you want protection, get a hammer and give perma protection. 5 seconds on a 24 second cool down isn’t anything to brag about.

Astraeos.8970:

I run dungeons: AC, CM, SE mostly.

Don’t get me wrong. Consecrations are often useful, but they are also often on cooldown. The 10% bonus DPS from elusive power is up whenever you’re under 100% endurance.

With the version of the max hammer DPS I use, I lose some uptime on consecrations (when I slot them), but I gain a 10% damage multiplier for the hammer (and it’s symbol of protection), and two 10% damage multipliers for the sword. I also pick up utility with focus. Basically, more hammer DPS and swapping the utility of extra consecration uptime for Shield of wrath blocks and zealot’s defense reflects.

I think, DPS aside, the added uptime for WoR provided by MoC << than WoR without MoC + Shield of wrath blocks and zealot’s defense reflects.

But utility aside, this is a DPS thread, and my point was that the change should increase DPS.

This isn’t just a DPS thread though. Its a DPS guardian thread. It’s about bringing the dps while bringing what a guardian should bring.

Example highest DPS is 20/30/20/0/0 build. But the preferred is 20/25/0/0/25 because it brings the proper utilities for the team. Also, you really shouldn’t have that low endurance damage buff that often with vigor and the hammer’s long AA chain. You are up right most of the fights with that bad boy.

Having said that, you will appreciate the MoC more when you get into high level fractals and arah. That 20% for MoC is stupidly strong. Its 20% longer duration and 20% shorter CD. <3 <3

DeathPanel.8362:

Um I did say pve in my post. You just took the first part of my post out of context and ignored everything else.

Consecrations are situational and do not synergize with traits while shouts synergize with AH as well as for example soldier runes and has a wider range and do not require you to stack inside the circle.

WOR and SOA I slot in for various encounters but for 90% of the other fights full shouts work far better with AH.

My point, is AH is useless in dungeons to have since shouts are second class citizens in PVE. The only shout that is cool for any encounter in retreat, the only other team one is SYG which is super situational. SYS is really good for solo’ing with 25 in virtues, which AH builds generally don’t invest 25 in virtues since they aren’t worried about doing damage.

tl;dr : In PvE consecrations > shouts. AH = poop

Frozencore.5017:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Frozencore.5017:

http://prntscr.com/2h96wg – stats

Oh my god… That is terrible. Your attack is almost equal to my power…. This is why people think guards have crap dps.. Please don’t advocate this as a do it all kind of build. This is pure Loot Bag WvW build.

what class do you play on your 2.5k power char???

unless you are a mesmer, im pretty sure you would go down :p

If you are not a mesmer and you consider me a walking loot bag you must really be a PROFESSIONAL at your class

you must be one of these people who think Zerker’s are the best, or not.. ^^

You specifically stated in there, that you bring that trash build to PVE as well. That is where my comment came from. If you just run around staff#1’ing in WvW, then that’s fine. But for dungeons, your build is out right horrible.

edit: and theres the power. Guardian Meta Dungeon build. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR8dlUgiC3FSHEf4ESODRCBtZAQHUli45eA-jwxAYfhMyPEVYIzJvioxWcLiGruGT5SEVLFQEDjA-e

Astraeos.8970:

“You lose master of consecrations, which is situational.

What content do you run to not need MoC?

DeathPanel.8362:

Wrong. Shouts are the best group support skills a guard has.

The fact is AH is probably the most viable and consistent pve build out there for guards.

FOR PVE ONLY.

No No No! Consecrations are best group support that guardians have. Wall of Reflect and Purging Flames are amazing. With Wall of Reflect being the show stopper that alone makes consecrations the best.

I generally only have 1 shout on my bar, if any at all. For fractals WoR, SOA, PF, and retreat are what takes turns on my bar. With Hallowed ground and SYG being situationally swapped in.

A full shout guardian is almost as bad a full shout warrior in PVE. Take that shhht and put in on the bench.

Here we go. Here is another edition of Chuck’s Arah LFG posting.

“VERY EXPERIENCED. Meta Builds. Melee everything. Ping Gear. Will be quizzed”

I’ll give you one example question:
Q: “What hand does lupi try to slap you with?”

If gear is right, and answer is correct. Then you go ahead and proceed my little friend.

makiface.3286:

I LOOOVE WoR. Is there a comprehensive guide anywhere of where it can be used and other tricks? Or what counts as projectiles?

I love putting one inside the Caledon Forest jungle wurm while it’s winding up its poison dart volley and watching it reflect them all back.

Fire shaman phase 2 is another good time, when he uses the skill that sends fireballs at people who shoot him.

TA Up. When you get poisoned, and WoR that that eight legged Beotch. Lupicus P2 Rain or the Rapid necro shot in P3. There are more, but I don’t feel like thinking lol.

Iris Ng.9845:

I try not to understand the subtleties underlying your words. Those seems to direct at me and not to answer the OP’s question, hmm…?

So here, helmed and fully clothed. Satisfied yet?

Don’t read so deep into things. I’m too use to making jokes to a very small audience, so the true point of my posts may get lost in translation. Its not meant to rustle your jimmies, I promise.

Iris Ng.9845:

For my ele, a pug-proof build has perma vigor, focus off-hand, energy sigil, full defensive utilities and earth elemental. Also actively swapping traits for skipping trashes as well.

When in pug, vigor is your only friend.

Don’t forget your helmet, and chastity belt.

hihey.1075:

MIrra.3604:

Quick and simple – stealth stacking via spamming the same ability over and over again needs to be toned down.

Says who?

BHB’s, that’s who.

I wish the majority of posts were Meta or even just zerker. The truth however, is most are play how you want, and the quality of builds in those parties are apparent.

Ken DeBoer.9268:

I’ve had to add “No Staffcamping Guards please” to my LFG posts. If they do that, I explain why I am booting and promptly remove them from the group.

I add “Undesired Builds/Classes will be kicked”. So I can kick any Bearbow, staff guard, shout warrior, cleric ele, necro, or PVT hero right out of my group with no questions asked.

Humpen.8452:

Thanks Cat for that advice. I tried it and worked great , but i miss the mobility of warrior..

NP. Oh and its definitely not the same. When I play my warrior I utterly fly through skips and just normal long paths of running. But guards are no slouches.

Arah P1, second skip.

Staff#4 swiftness -> GS#3 leap(or sword blink) past first mob of risen -> Dodge -> Retreat -> Judge’s Intervention -> If hurt heal or if condi then cleanse, if not -> keep running to GS#3 leap past ooze field

In general. You need 1 condi clear(Don’t need this if you have 20 in virtues, JI is better), retreat, and the 3rd is up to you. Stability if the run requires it, like TA Forward or Arah P2.

Remember with your virtue of courage, you generally have a free aegis, so you can have 3 free hits to keep you out of combat. Free aegis -> Retreat -> VOC (and renewed focus if need be, invuln plus another aegis!)

Personal note, I prefer to skip with GS and staff. But most use GS +Swrod/Focus for the extra mobility on sword#2.

Stacking is exploit. Stacking is evil. Stacking is bad. Stacking is cancer. Stacking is… Ima grab a beer.

I say you guys fight IRL

Pro son. Thanks!

Guardian Homeboy

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/ChuckPicsnStuff/gw108_zpsb4c512b2.jpg

This pro pic is for lilith: My lady friend and I happen to get our characters slapped by lupi to fall like this.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/ChuckPicsnStuff/Mobile%20Uploads/gw041_zpsc13bd613.jpg

also how do you show the preview thumbnail?

Those boots got to go Mossy. Get them Tier 3 boots. Matches better.

robertul.3679:

So you’re saying there are people who break instances just for fun? That’s silly talk. If that was the case I am pretty sure devs would be looking into it. Or at least they would say they would.

For all the non dungeon forum regulars. Insert sarcasm then read this.

Agree with painbow. He is dead on. Fun fact I learned. I died more using hammer early on in Fractals because I felt so bad ending my AA chain, that I ended up taking a shot to the chops. Just remember, that sometimes you are out of aegis or blinds, so don’t be afraid to dodge to save your butt even if it breaks your perma protection rotation.

Crapgame.6519:

Note the OP asked: “I’m looking to run a build for PvE solo and dungeon PvE that is pretty durable but can still dish out enough damage to not be worthless.”

Do you see optimal in that sentence?

We also don’t see “complete kitten”. He came to the forum seeking good advice. Not Crapgame/obetena/aste/kyubi approved advice

Aetherium.4087:

PS: Thanks for your PMs (you know who you are). I’ll add y’all once I get my new char set up on Tarnished Coast.

If you like scantly clad women with little morals and booze. Go Dragonbrand for sure.

It won’t be perma banned. So don’t be scared little one. But delete the actual names from this post. No need to be on the man’s radar.