Earlier today, I watched 4 guys from SIC on FA chase down an upleveled character (I think on Mag, could have been TC, doesn’t matter), down him, then summon lightning hammers with their eles and proceed to launch his body around until he died. At the time I was irritated that a group of humans could have such low self-esteem, but the ridiculousness of it is making me laugh every single time I think about it.
This afternoon was absolutely chock full of terrible manner on all sides, and I was laughing hysterically while relating it to my girlfriend after she woke up from her pre-work nap. It’s the most grandiose display of unsportsmanlike conduct I’ve ever seen, and it all happened in a single afternoon. It wasn’t just the SIC folks, but that was the piece de resistance.
Will be looking for more fights starting now.
Play more WvW. Stay out of PvE. It infects you with all sorts of overly idealistic thoughts.
Or here’s a better idea. Join us on TS and run with us before you go around making judgements about other guilds on your own server and posting about it in a match thread.
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Noooo use the existing thread. We got the same match. Might as well.
It really does nothing to accomplish what the attacker is trying to do since most guilds have back-up servers and just let everyone know to get on an alternate. Nice waste of effort by the attackers. Clearly some people though feel that they can’t win any other way. Speaks volumes of the attacker and the lack of confidence they have in their own skills.
I agree. Keep it going!!!!! Hue hue hue!
You might fit in with us. We are Strident Iconoclast on FA and our goal is zergbusting. We have also done gvg in the past and will get back into it when we meet or recruitment goals. We are also mostly West Coast. Our raid times are M-F 9pm-midnight Pacific.
Feel free to pm me and check out our videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV6azSCyyjhrcNy2WAGKm7w
And
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgbxvztCpQUaWr3RmGbGANg
Once again, AR does not make you immune to conditions. You still receive the damage from the conditions already on you. You just cannot receive any new conditions, and this is not much different from lesser traits or skills that turn conditions into boons.
I don’t care
Fixed it for you
Radik, there’s a fine line between trolling your home server and going out of your way to troll your home server.
Z’s role these days seems to be nothing more than trolling Fort Aspenwood. Sad how the mighty have fallen.
I haven’t logged into WvW pretty much at all this week. Anything worth mentioning?
Choo blahblah, CERN blah blah, VR blah blah north camp blah blah, Meow blah blah, BOMB blah blah, mag beating FA blah blah.
NOPE blah blah, JAJAJAJAJA blah blah, underwater combat blah blah, jajajajajajja blah blah
QFT. Sums up well how the majority of match posts look to my failing sight.
Stay on topic. Jajajaja.
I am not a zergling like the people I quote, sorry (yes I think this applies to quoting you too).
Zerglings defending their mindless boons that don’t even require any #1 spamming effort. GG!
Maybe you died because you were just bad, not because of the engineer class. Hard to qualify your statements without a video. XD
Video or it didn’t happen.
Here it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_cYGxPOao
This is not a Fort Aspenwood video. This is an NV video. We had a Fort Aspenwood video made once. It included footage from a variety of FA guilds. This video says “We are FA” as in NV is an FA guild, but this video does not represent the “We” of FA and I’m rather sad to see it presented as such.
Go home, EFWinters. You’re being highly disingenuous by trying to defend your zergling tactic of spamming a passive boon that requires little thought. At least with grenades someone has to put thought into when and where to throw them. If you were truly sincere about the issue, you’d bring something constructive to the conversation.
There is collision detection. It is client-side and called “melee assist”. Would be a fundamental change to wvw fights if it were locked to “on” and the ability to disable it were taken away.
Pffff. FA’s been organizing Animal Control [YAK] long before TC fought SoR.
Why can I drop a bomb on myself and not get hurt, but healed?
Why can my friends drop meteor showers on my head and I’m ok?
Why can I run through everyone?! The bonds between my digital molecules are weak!!!! AiiiIEEEE!!!!
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever…
Is the k-training getting old? Tired of the PPT grind? There is life after PPT! Get SIC!
Gbok, it is the same, not different. There is no stopping a grenade toss, grenade barrage, or the 10x hits of ft 1.
I also play ranger, and have nearly met my demise barraging zergs using retaliation. He means that when you have channeled barrage it attacks several times over the course of several seconds. The damage and retal from grenades all occur at once, while the barrage occurs over many seconds. The difference here is that the ranger likely realized that what they did was a mistake by the first volley of arrows, but there is literally no way to stop the rest of them if they’ve channeled the skill. The difference is slim, but whereas an engineer can throw one volley of grenades and stop, and ranger must sit there and hope their heal is off CD.
It’s simply the difference between receiving retal all at once from a mistake or being unable to stop attacking and receiving retal in pulses long after you realized you should stop attacking.
The outcomes are generally the same, but saying that the actions are the same is not totally correct.
Grenades fly so slow that the engineer realizes his mistake after one toss and cannot stop them, cannot dodge out of it, just watch and resign oneself. Literally, you can toss one set of grenades at range and the target can see them long before they hit and has enough time to put up retaliation. You just bend over and kiss your kitten goodbye.
Gbok, it is the same, not different. There is no stopping a grenade toss, grenade barrage, or the 10x hits of ft 1.
Honestly, though, sometimes the correct answer is just to back out and heal.
Is it really so hard to comprehend that what you suggest is impossible to do when the nature of retaliation proccing on certains skills ensures a one-shot suicide? Please post something more constructive, like what RyuDragnier wrote.
Wait, what? Tyrion is not FA’s TS. Wow, just wow. Way to throw a baby out with the bathwater.
xaxaxaxaxaxaxa!
Retaliation is not just ok, is weak. More in this meta with insane burst and condispammers, there is no meta of low damage fast autoattack right now. Stop autoattacking with your flamethrower (or any similar effect) and you will be happy.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you upset that the meta is currently insane burst and condispammers instead of low damage fast auto-attack right now? You do realize that it is because retaliation is over-the-top punishing to low damage fast auto-attacks like FT#1, yes?
[SIC] that was sick.
SIC is sick! You got that part right. We only had one warrior. Learn to count? We need the eles for dps!!! WTKITTEN?!!!
On a serious note, thanks for the fights. I’m just a noob driver and I appreciate the experience gain.
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Well, retaliation is supposed to be the counter to weak multi-hit attacks while aegis is the counter to a single-hit high dps hit. Aegis doesn’t kill the person who initiated the high dps hit though.
I don’t know where this “FA is putting in extra hours” excuse is coming from because I sure haven’t seen it.
And I drop open field siege. When I see a dead TC player, I throw blueprints on them.
That’s assuming you land all 10 hits on the guy. Like I said, turn off the auto-attack feature and use the camera to aim the flame. I’m not saying this to deny that retaliation procs poorly on that skill, only to point out mitigation that works for me.
There’s a testing schedule for all of December. No worries.
Something we can agree on!
It’s Jayne. That manipulative woman is no longer around on TC to stir things up. That’s the reason for FA’s win.
You get an entirely new account on the test platform. You make a whole new character.
It’s hilarious if you try to dodge out of FT #1. You move but the flame remains.
I like the guys who say don’t bring an engineer to a large group fight because the class is poor at it and then get all upset when a reason why is identified and suggestions are made to improve the situation.
Or change the mechanics of retaliation proccing on multi-hit AoE skills.
This discussion has predictably devolved.
sigh
Some people want to nerf retaliation even further. Frankly, I’ve had little issue with it since its damage was reduced and I enjoy doing stupid things like using flamethrower auto-attack on a zerg.
Some people want to ignore the facts surrounding how badly retaliation procs on certain skills due to what is clearly a design oversight. Anet doesn’t design skills to not be used ever because of the ease with which a group can keep area retaliation up, especially auto-attack skills. It’s silly to argue along these lines.
Instead of retreating into the same old rehashed qq, how about coming to an agreement that retaliation proccing on those skills needs addressing instead of nerfing retaliation’s damage? There’s absolutely no reason why activation of those skills should return way way more damage than they put out when retaliation is intended to return only a portion of damage.
Sorry HOPE and ZzZz about the gvg troll who was repping NERF. NERF doesn’t condone that kind of game mode violation. The matter was dealt with swiftly.
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Flamethrower, stop the attack like everyone else on ever other class does when retal bites back
You clearly have no experience with the Flamethrower.
Swap kits, dodge, use another skill, etc etc.
Yes, you eat tons of rental damage with it, feel free to use any of the mentioned remedies to stop retal damage from killing you. Dont worry, I dont have a geared 80 or every class /rollseyes
As someone said before, you got countered.
Ranger longbow 5 is the only valid complaint skill vs retal. Maybe chaos storm from mes and lavafont from ele.
I got countered? I should try the remedies I offered? Man, learn to read.
Ranger can use the same trick with Barrage, stand in a pulsing healing field like engineer’s Super Elixir.
P.S. There’s no dodge out of grenades or FT.
Flamethrower, stop the attack like everyone else on ever other class does when retal bites back
You clearly have no experience with the Flamethrower.
There’s a few things you can do with Flamethrower to mitigate the punishment you’d take from the way retaliation procs with it. I use Backpack Regen and Omnomberry Pie. I’ll also use the pulse heal from Elixir Gun’s Super Elixir. And most importantly, don’t use auto-attack, auto-targetting, and target promotion. You want to have maximum control over FT #1 by aiming it with camera alone so you can turn it away from your target when you start to see your health burn away. So Ctrl-Right Click that skill button to turn off auto-attack, as per Phineas Poe’s FT/EG guide.
I wouldn’t ever call wasting my time to chase a single warrior for five minutes “fun”.
Wow, Pickle and Attunejam, maybe take it to the Obsidian Sanctum? Sounds like some personal history between you two. And to think it all started with a little unsolicited RP…
I thought it was funny. You transferred to TC to let your RP loose. I got it.
“Mansplaining” is a really dumb-sounding word.
Indeed.
/15charr
P.S: Better tell that Pink guy on your server to stop making you look bad.
Amazingly I ran into him last night and I did exactly what you suggest!
We mostly fight open field in WvW but are looking to get back into GvG. We just need YOU to help us with that!
He’s retired from leading and driving.
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