Guild Wars 2

Lose the sigil of accuracy that’s massively holding your build back. I see you like Intelligence, that’s always a better pick.

With your 1v1 oriented setup (Elixir Gun) I would recommend taking doom sigil. To be honest, with 6 points in Alchemy and no intelligence sigil, your physical damage is always going to be a little on the weak side, embrace the attrition through condition damage.

Try Hoelbrak, it’s strong, defensively. 20% condition reduction is big for Engineers, unfortunately Rune of the Fire’s offer of 1 more second of burn every 10 seconds simply isn’t competitive. Remember that Cele builds don’t have a ton of condition damage for synergy with that 1 second of burn, either.

You’ll get around the same might stacks with Hoelbrak as with the Fire Shield, to be honest. You can’t control it and it’s on a minute timer, I’d just take 20% might duration.

Zietlogik.6208:

James Megawatt.9021:

Immobilize bug: When you get immobilized while being in the air, you can not do ANYTHING. You can not cast a skill or a stunbreak. You just have to wait until the immobilize runs out. Most of the times you are dead by then.

I posted it a month ago, went unseen I guess, like most posts on the forums unfortunately.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Immobilize-Falling-Bug/first#post4614663

Immob falling bug is not unseen, it’s just not acknowledged, and I bet anything that Arenanet doesn’t know the remedy.

NeXeD.3042:

They run 2 cele eles because rather than have a full bunker on the team they opted for more rounded out builds that can do multiple things well with good mobility. Not because a cele is a better bunker.

This guy gets it.

The truth has been spoken about Guardians having the longest time to kill when being attacked by multiple enemies. Don’t hear what I’m not saying, I’m not saying bunker Guardians are a top pick.

Delaying power is just a factor when deciding what picks you are bringing to conquest. And frankly, having the best delaying ability is not worth sacrificing the level of damage, mobility, and dueling ability that a D/D Ele brings.

OP asks the toughest bunker, based on that one dimension alone (which conquest picks take multiple dimensions into account) the proper answer is Bunker Guardian.

What can bunker versus the most amount of people for the longest?

Engi, Ele? What are you guys smoking.

It’s Guardian by a large margin. They just can’t have that ability and still 1v1 or 2v2 well.

Silentshoes.1805:

Look, here is how the matcher currently works:

1) Try to find a good match for a team for a few minutes.

2) Put anyone against the team after a few minutes.

That’s the problem. Right there.

It’s absolutely obvious.

Make the matcher wait longer. Maybe much longer.

I had a 16 minute queue this morning, I’m not sure what happened to the 8 minute max.

What were you saying about throwing anyone together after a few minutes? The window in which I wait is about 6-10 minutes typically.

Just duo queued into unranked. I had a pop and got in, while my partner is still sitting in queue. Lmao.

data.4093:

The biggest bug of them all: The map selection wheel favors the top left quadrant meaning skyhammer gets picked way more than it should. I’m not kidding, if 1-2 people pick hammer there’s a huge chance of getting it. And the wheel always puts hammer there because it’s based on alphabetical order.

Uh. I think that could be explainable by limited sample data size there bud. I’m pretty sure it’s hard to mess up an RNG spin.

Wait 5+ minutes, see Match Ready invitation prompt, I hit OK, and then get completely kicked from the queue without staying at the front of the line.

Caedmon.6798:

The stun duration is enough really,you use shield bash as an opener for other skills like evis.
I’d rather see shield block getting some love,like 3 sec of added stabi while block is up,so you don’t get pulled out of it by an engi or screw yourself over with running through a line of warding or getting randomly feared out of block etc.

The necessity of stabi when you pop shield block is big atm, 3 sec added stabi would improve it bigtime and no need to waste a 60 sec cd dolyak or a 40 sec cd balanced stance just to be sure your shield block stays effective.Just make it so the stabi doesn’t get shown as a boon ,but rather added to the effect of shield block itself.
Like;

Shieldblock;

Block attacks,unable to be feared,stunned,dazed,pulled,knocked while in effect.
Duration: 3 s

That’s a really good idea and I support having something unique about it to differentiate it further from the Engineer’s version, especially.

Why not 5 seconds while we’re already talking crazy?

Are you feeling lonely because you’re the only non-guardian/necro or lonely because your teammate alt-f4’d

Lupanic.6502:

if you win you get your points

Actually you can be 500-0ing a team, DC for six seconds, come back and resume the shut out, and still lose 3 points if you were favoured to win that match.

That’s a potential difference of 4 points from a single internet fart. It happens, and I’m not really a fan.

Yeah……

Can we get a 90 second grace period as long as the exact same character is logged back in?

Tried for 10 minutes in vain to get a pickup group going.

The funny part is that it was 10 minutes of trying to get in queue, not 10 minutes of finding members.

Currently a bug exists where as soon as the last person accepts the invitation to the queue, it abandons it for the entire group. We relogged, tried unranked queue, switched up who accepts the invitation last, who sends the invitation…

After 10 minutes of people sighing and ‘wtfs’ in party chat I just left. It was a pretty legendary experience.

Not much. Other than Reward track completion. lol

Justin ODell.9517:

Lupanic.6502:

if this is correct why Ostricheggs has 14 games won 1 lost and he has 9 points?

lets asume for every win +1 makes 14 points. For 1 loss -3 is 11 not 9

Is it because Ostricheggs is esports?

Hmm, that is interesting. I’ll look into this.

It’s simply because you lose points for DCing or character swapping. It won’t affect your win rate unless you don’t return, just leech the points.

Edit: Even if no DC’s were witnessed, I don’t think an Oeggs character swap would be out of the question.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Chaith.8256:

Lordrosicky.5813:

When the game insta-pops and I am with skill clickers it means the system is garbage. Its not an opinion. It doesn’t matter what you think or what you say. The sytem is factually horrendous.

Please tell me more about all the facts that you documented by playing one match. Bye.

You put bye at the end. Great work buddy. Keep up the intelligent posting.

Edited to sound smarter.

Lordrosicky.5813:

When the game insta-pops and I am with skill clickers it means the system is garbage. Its not an opinion. It doesn’t matter what you think or what you say. The sytem is factually horrendous.

Please tell me more about all the facts that you documented by playing one match.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Also 90% of the increase in teams recently came via solo queue. People played and proved themselves in solo queue. They met other people in solo queue. And that formed more teams. This game is deader than at any time I can remember.

It seems to me like you’re describing a good thing…? Why shouldn’t people prove themselves in solo queue, meet other regulars, and form teams?

After one game with likely very low MMR I think an un-install is a bit of a kneejerk reaction, well, goodbye then!

Copestetic.5174:

Prior to getting into PvP for GW2 a few months ago, I took peoples ( what seemed to be “good” ) advice, and started off in Hot Join like many others. After about a week, I was tired of the crappy matches and decided to delve into SoloQ. I got wrecked.

In my opinion, the only thing Hot Join provides to new players, is a layout of the map. Sure, you can test builds there but why would you want to test how great your build idea is, against players that aren’t really good/new or, are just there for dailies? After spending a couple of hours on sites like Metabattle, the wiki, and YouTube, I came away more knowledgeable and a better player than I had from the week I spent in Hot Join.

I personally don’t think Hot Join does enough for anyone other than ANet, for it to even be in the game. I get people ( and ANet ) like to say people should start off there, but I think that’s a horrible idea given my experience doing just that. If they really want people to care and learn to PvP other than just diving right in to Conquest, I think offering more game modes with mixed PvE elements would be a good starting point a la Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry from GW1 as those two modes were a lot of peoples starting point before moving up to RA, Teams, HA and GvG.

Very good ideas.

However, I believe unranked queue with a friend or solo should be the starting point for new players. With a focus on even teams, and with matchmaking tweaks that are coming, it’s going to be a much smoother and balanced learning environment.

Hotjoin should be for intermediate players to test how big a number they can 1vX survive against or practice combo’ing players to learn a new build. Or people who just don’t give a care whether they win or lose.

This is for people who claim Solo Queue unranked is not an option:

From my perspective, it depends on mindset. Are you a gapfiller or are you the guy that’s going to be rocking it solo and pulling your team ahead? Don’t be a victim.

Unranked queue is easily dominated by experienced solo queuers. All I can offer as an insight is my personal experiences. I’ve played 152 unranked games, 90% of those being solo, and I’ve won 124 of those games for an 81.5% winrate. Playing a combination of my Engineer main and Warrior alt using this build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARSjEdUFaZIehQKaAggyYDEAHD8MQ9Zc7bPA-TZBFwAFuAAOOEAl2foaZAAPBAA

I’ve only encountered a handful (<5) of games where I faced a 5 man premade on Teamspeak who my team was permanently in the downed state against. It took the wind out of my sails pretty fast but it’s almost never that I can’t make a difference as an experienced solo player.

The rest of the games it was often:

• 5 Solo players vs. 5 Solo players, kind of uncommon though.
• A duo queue vs. trio queue. Very common.
• 5 solo players vs. a quad queue. This matchup happened a fair bit, but on a team of all solo queue players, I’ve stomped more than a fair share of quad queue enemies.

Use strong builds as starting points, master a profession, do all in your power to push your team ahead before you become a victim of perceived matchmaking and declare solo queuing as unplayable.

Punishing leavers in hotjoin doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to be, but I guess since you can still immediately get in, there would still be meaning in having Hotjoin.

Engies get 10 might stacks in PvP, slap a battle sigil on a yak (or any profession) and he’ll be guaranteed get 6 might stacks permanently with 0 boon duration of any kind. Hoelbrak/Strength runes and 4 points in Boon Duration get that to 9 stacks and 1 from the Hoelbrak on hit.

If the Engineer profession is to be shaved down, so be it, but there’s nothing to see here on the might stacking front. Celestial Engineer wouldn’t really be touched if Battle and Hoelbrak was removed. It’d simply be Balthazar and Geomancy/Doom to replace the Battle Sigil.

The only reason why battle sigil is chosen is because it fills the deficiency of Power stat that Celestial builds have. That doesn’t mean Battle Sigil/Hoelbrak is overpowered relative to other Sigil and Rune combinations.

If Engies are going to be shaved, it should be something to do with the Engineer profession and not a sigil/rune combo common to multiple professions.

uberkingkong.8041:

The video you posted is the same videos the EU shoutcasters posted days before you guys. Wheres the videos of the Chinese teams?

BTW. NA only won because EU doesn’t know how to rotate. EU players are clearly better by looking at how the games went, by them dominating but then eventually they get out of rotation and fail the matchup, Temple of Silent Storms is a perfect example.

I give credit to those people who like to post ‘Lemme teach you how to rotate type threads’. Probably not enough of them on the EU forums.

NA Won because EU can’t rotate? Lol. That’s a little condescending to be honest. Ya, props to the ‘how 2 rotate’ videos, the last hope for EU.

SYPHA.9283:

Chaith.8256:

Dead Muppet.9718:

SobeSoul.6910:

Quake Con had 1v1s, not team play, in the beginning, and there were so many ladders for Quake 3 that I find that your claim of being on the best team in the world to be very dubious.

1v1 got its push start with Thresh Vs Entropy for the ferrari. From there Team Deathmatch 4v4 and 1v1 was pretty big from 1996 through til 2004ish.

1v1 is still going fairly strong but with the assortment of games out today the pool of players isnt like it was for sure.

If your point is that nobody cares about competitive GW2 I think you’ll find there are less people that care about Quake round’ these parts.

Ya I’ll have to disagree. The whole 300 hundred or so that watched the twitch stream is considerably lower than any Quake tournament that ever went on.

Gw2 is not and never will be a true E-sport. A game that relies on meta-builds and counter builds, will never be taken seriously in the gaming community.

Builds > than actual skill involved

Ya.. that’s all pretty irrelevant to my point. Let me reiterate, can I get a show of hands in this GW2 forum who wants to hear about Quake glory days?

Dead Muppet.9718:

SobeSoul.6910:

Quake Con had 1v1s, not team play, in the beginning, and there were so many ladders for Quake 3 that I find that your claim of being on the best team in the world to be very dubious.

1v1 got its push start with Thresh Vs Entropy for the ferrari. From there Team Deathmatch 4v4 and 1v1 was pretty big from 1996 through til 2004ish.

1v1 is still going fairly strong but with the assortment of games out today the pool of players isnt like it was for sure.

If your point is that nobody cares about competitive GW2 I think you’ll find there are less people that care about Quake round’ these parts.

Pixels.6532:

Do you plan to reduce the likelihood?

lordkrall.7241:

So basically never?

No, basically a reduced likelihood.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Elementalist – Cleric’s, Magi, Celestial
Guardian – Cleric’s, Magi, Soldier, Settler’s
Engineer – Cleric’s
Ranger – Celestial, Settler’s
Necromancer – Celestial, Cleric’s, Settler’s
Thief – None
Warrior – Celestial, Magi, Knight’s, Cleric’s, Settler’s, Soldier’s

Be careful. A bunker res thief is some OP BS in 3v3. You might wanna ban soldier’s on thief. I could see a dream comp of Res Thief, DD ele and burster just wiping the floor with everyone.

Lol, for real?

Theorycrafting a ‘res thief’ build, all I can see are traits to stealth allies when you start to revive, and grant regen when you stealth allies.

Why would you build for such a marginal bonus to reviving when Shadow Refuge pretty much does all the things that a ‘res thief’ can?

Lopez.7369:

Now that unranked queue is in the game, ArenaNet really should get rid of hotjoin. Leave the custom servers obviously, but hotjoin is just pointless at this point.

Hotjoin = custom arenas. They’re pretty much interchangeable at this point. Going a distance to ‘remove’ hotjoin seems like it wouldn’t even be successful at keeping new players from doing it.

But I don’t disagree with questioning hotjoin’s usefulness. I don’t see a lot of value in doing hotjoin with perma-imbalanced teams and people leaving/hopping teams every 5 seconds.

However, I think hotjoin/custom arenas are too big a part of their design philosophy. This design was that PvP in GW2 has to be accessible at a moment’s notice.

Amir.1570:

Because there is no match making in que and for a new player to practice in hot-join is flat out frustrating.

But what do people do in hot-join nowadays? They make it so that it’s 2v1, 3v2, 4v5, and people only join the winning team. Trying to learn crap in hot-join could be very frustrating as a new player because people only fight in uneven terms most of the time.

Also this game has NO INFRASTRUCTURE. NO ONE is trying to capture the point and playing sPvP how it is MEANT TO BE PLAYED. Maybe at the start of the match, make the announcer say “BLATANTLY” and in visible text something such as “capture, hold, and fight for points to win?” Because “hold on to a point, seize theirs” sounds way too vague. Also maybe add bot games or something and give some rewards for it? Like 33% of what you would get in ques or hot-join.

Add a real que like League of Legends with ACTUAL match making and make custom arenas more affordable or something so that new players can try out stuff with friends. Really get rid of hot-join though.

TL;DR It may sound like a bad idea but:

1.) Get rid of hot-join because trying to learn stuff in that is anti-fun anyways
2.) You should be doing Ques so you can get custom arena stuff if you want to test out stuff with friends eventually.
3.) Make custom arena stuff more affordable through sPvP and maybe even through living world
4.) Infrastructure, this game’s infrastructure is NOT BLATANT or obvious enough. Maybe add bot games or something so new players can actually learn? A better tutorial? Anything that will allow this game to move forward.

Unranked queue is pretty much what you wanna do to learn the game. It’s 95% of the time 5v5 and I’d give it until the 16th before you completely judge the matchmaking as being whatever.

Dead Muppet.9718:

Chaith.8256:

Dead Muppet.9718:

trolled? or truth… rank 80 is inevitable by playtime.

Also the decay comment is the truth. The bit about annoying though is opinion ill give it that… however im sure im not alone on that one.

Want to put that out there everytime, why cant I respond.

O god

Kudos to you being an elite engineer also

Of the 2000 players that still play PvP worldwide
of that the players that take it to the level you do
of that the players that play engineer

Grats on being ONE of the better players playing a meta build engineer.

Dont kid yourself into thinking youre esports anything.

Truth.

Lol this is amusing, I have no idea what you’re going to say next. Say some other stuff

tichorum.2415:

Acandis.3250:

SlothBear.9846:

But once somebody missed a queue because they were in a loading screen, so that makes it okay.

Yea but there’s an easy solution to that. Drop them from the queue, and don’t give them dishonor. There should seriously not be a dishonor stack for missing the queue. Am I expected to hold my kitten til I see the queue pop when it could be anywhere from 10s to 10 minutes?

Honestly. What is wrong with holding your kitten?

That seems like a perfectly normal and cool way to pass the time while waiting for a queue pop if you ask me!

Dead Muppet.9718:

trolled? or truth… rank 80 is inevitable by playtime.

Also the decay comment is the truth. The bit about annoying though is opinion ill give it that… however im sure im not alone on that one.

Want to put that out there everytime, why cant I respond.

O god

Dead Muppet.9718:

Congrats to being the first to sit and play spvp for more hours than any other player… and to follow that with exploiting the decay to be the #1 engineer and boast about it in an annoying way.

Make soup from those pants.

Srs? Another trolled by VeeWee persona?

Lowest Animal.8014:

Blu Oeggs has given his blessing, give us the belly dancing video

Pretty sure that Ramon Domke has it, not Blu. Haha. I could be mistaken though.

^^Lmao

FifteenCharrz

80%+ Winrates from queuing into unranked solo are possible, so I think your luck is to blame man. Either that or you’re playing downedstate glass Warrior/Ele/Engi

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll have the VOD out today. Sorry about the delay.

Great news, thanks Grouch.

SobeSoul.6910:

Chaith.8256:

SobeSoul.6910:

Chaith.8256:

SobeSoul.6910:

People wouldn’t bring two of the same classes if the classes weren’t OP.

Something you and a lot of people fail to take into account is that sometimes you’re forced to use a certain roster with people who main certain classes.

In your case, you’re looking at the team who ran double Engi. They had success, thus, double Engi OP, pls balance.

What if Necro is stronger than a second Engineer? (It is.) That means you should stop asserting double Engineer is OP, because it’s not optimal.

I do take into account people who main certain classes. If engineers were shuffled down the hierarchy of classes in a patch, do you think your roster would have included both you and OE if there was another class that filled a role better than one of you two could? Provided of course a player could have gone in place of either of you.

I also know you are very defensive of engineers. I have one and have a decent game count on it on my other account. I play an ele currently. My preference is that neither class gets nerfed into the ground, but rather if things need to be shaved a little to bring them in line with other classes, so be it.

I know how badly you want to use the Abjured’s roster to justify what you’re saying but there was literally nobody to sub for the Abjured who was strong and not doing the WTS Quals themselves.

Double Engi is really questionable in my books. Like double War. Just best to not.

Ok, answer this question honestly, but first we have to make a hypothetical world.

Lets suppose all classes are balanced equally.

Lets also suppose that all classes brought equal team oriented mechanics to the table.

The final supposition would be you had a pool of eight players of same talent.

Would there ever be need for overlapping classes or instances on team comps?

Now ask yourself honestly if there’s not some correlation of players choosing some classes in favor of others because of the hierarchy of classes because the way their currently balanced. It is not by coincidence players start rolling engineers and elementalists that they did not already have.

You will defend your class because you’re biased. My engineer is the first toon I ever created. I love the class. I also love elementalist. They have been the most challenging classes for me to play at any level approaching “decent”. But if we compare classes across the board Eles and Engies are currently 1 and 2 in the pecking order.

ps. If I were to nerf anything, it would be changing might stacks’ power increase from 35 downwards to 30 or 25 or some lower value that seems reasonable after testing. I don’t think it would harm any build or class irreparably.

So we’re in your hypothetical world.

I would take two Eles simply because Guardian isn’t efficient enough. (Minimum two players needed to always be able to be standing on point in fights.)

I will not take two Engies when I can have a Terrormancer roaming or a good Cele Shout War with Battle Standard.

If Ranger’s meta build got to the point where they could at least Stalemate D/D Eles, I would take a ranger of a 2nd Engineer.

Wait till the next balance patch comes… if Ranger and Guardian get even a small increase in efficiency at the same time that Ele gets shaved, you’ll never see double ele or engi.

SobeSoul.6910:

Chaith.8256:

SobeSoul.6910:

People wouldn’t bring two of the same classes if the classes weren’t OP.

Something you and a lot of people fail to take into account is that sometimes you’re forced to use a certain roster with people who main certain classes.

In your case, you’re looking at the team who ran double Engi. They had success, thus, double Engi OP, pls balance.

What if Necro is stronger than a second Engineer? (It is.) That means you should stop asserting double Engineer is OP, because it’s not optimal.

I do take into account people who main certain classes. If engineers were shuffled down the hierarchy of classes in a patch, do you think your roster would have included both you and OE if there was another class that filled a role better than one of you two could? Provided of course a player could have gone in place of either of you.

I also know you are very defensive of engineers. I have one and have a decent game count on it on my other account. I play an ele currently. My preference is that neither class gets nerfed into the ground, but rather if things need to be shaved a little to bring them in line with other classes, so be it.

I know how badly you want to use the Abjured’s roster to justify what you’re saying but there was literally nobody to sub for the Abjured who was strong and not doing the WTS Quals themselves.

Double Engi is really questionable in my books. Like double War. Just best to not.

SobeSoul.6910:

People wouldn’t bring two of the same classes if the classes weren’t OP.

Something you and a lot of people fail to take into account is that sometimes you’re forced to use a certain roster with people who main certain classes.

In your case, you’re looking at the team who ran double Engi. They had success, thus, double Engi OP, pls balance.

What if Necro is stronger than a second Engineer? (It is.) That means you should stop asserting double Engineer is OP, because it’s not optimal.

SobeSoul.6910:

Troll all you like, but when the NA pvp scene is underwhelming compared to EU because all the BM and egoism that goes on here, it’s more sad than funny.

What does the trash talk have to do with the PvP scene? Make rivalries and the desire to win fiercer? o no souns bad.

SobeSoul.6910:

Chaith.8256:

XGhoul.7426:

All I learned was that Nos is a scumbag in game and irl.

There are two sides to every story, take a magic carpet ride with Noscoc.

1:13:00

http://www.twitch.tv/noscoc/b/597862076

No offense, but that doesn’t really excuse some of Noscoc’s commentary about regular Joes facing a five man premade team like Abjured and friends. You can expect that kind of behavior from a teenager, but you are all college aged men and should carry some class into games.

Huh? Do you have any quotes or examples of what commentary you are even talking about?

Games in GW2 are relatively quick. If it’s one sided expect it to only last for 5-6 minutes.

ellesee.8297:

Chaith.8256:

XGhoul.7426:

All I learned was that Nos is a scumbag in game and irl.

There are two sides to every story, take a magic carpet ride with Noscoc.

1:13:00

http://www.twitch.tv/noscoc/b/597862076

I SHED SOME TEARS! THIS SHOULDN’T BE HAPPENING I JUST GOT HOME!

I know right? I think it’s the tiny violins playing in the background that are responsible.

XGhoul.7426:

All I learned was that Nos is a scumbag in game and irl.

There are two sides to every story, take a magic carpet ride with Noscoc.

1:13:00

http://www.twitch.tv/noscoc/b/597862076

Shockwave.1230:

Chaith.8256:

The Caed shots .. he played excellent on the Foefire though.

This thread is for stirring the pot a bit, yes?

Foefire is favorable to a team that is perhaps mechanically stronger and may be rotationally weaker, since rotations are much quicker and simpler on that map. Strictly stating my opinion.

Based upon today’s performance alone, I would not be surprised if Absurd regularly beats Abjured once they have played together more. Shout warrior counters a lot of damage from Abjured, especially Nos’. Ideally Tarcis should be in pretty much every skirmish involving Nos.

If I were the Abjured when I fight the Absurd I’d probably want a Mesmer instead of a Necro. Supcutie abandoning the Dankening to be a new member of Abjured? Nos getting kicked already? #gw2drama

Lol #gw2drama indeed that would be. But I think we’ll stick with a Necro when faced with 2 Engies.

The Caed shots .. he played excellent on the Foefire though.

Narkodx.1472:

You think you won’t be high on the leader boards?

Nope, probably won’t break top 100 because I refuse to pub stomp my way to the top. My playstyle is to team queue when other teams are playing, for quality matches and to not annoy people who aren’t expecting to face an Abjured pug. I might play 25-30 games a week.

Narkodx.1472:

That bothers you doesn’t it

What would you suggest? I can queue up and stomp you and other unsuspecting, average players for 20 hours a week if you’d prefer. I’d definitely be top rated!

Do you see why incentivizing top teams to do this in order to stay competitive is bad?

Narkodx.1472:

What I am trying to say is the leader boards are not for you

I’m sick of your logic-less, arbitrary statements. Why shouldn’t it work for everybody?