Guild Wars 2

26006 s/p is also a good alternative if you don’t like s/d.
unfortunately dagger mainhand relies at least partially on bs for damage
which requires stealth and that’s mostly a no-go for conquest.

@ panicbutton: we know sizer didn’t come up with it but i don’t even know the
name of this other guy. plus sizer made the build popular and everybody here knows immediatly it’s a 20066 s/d if you say ‘sizers build’.

pupi.2465:

Magnito.6187:

It made me wondering what build you are running with Pupi, could you post it down?

Of course Magnito, here it is:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAscTjMdUGahHehwJaAogCdlvAl91A4A0dEA-TFjFABjs/Ad6BWSJmiqEMoqKA8AAY4IAckyD30EIgSwDVj4gTBAA-w

oh wow. now that build is… unusual.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

ThatShortGuy.4672:

We’re seriously still responding to this guy? Let’s let this thread die.

i think that guy only plays in hotjoin and not solo arena or team arena.

i did a search on gw2score.com and cannot find any records.

of course not. this thread is a blatant troll.

Volrath.1473:

Make larcenous strike steal 2 boons like it use to.
Problem solved

But thief so OP with permastealth permaevade and damage and mobility and NERF!

Couldn’t find anything in the notes for the last couple of patches so I’m asking here.
After playing a few days on my thief I’m under the impression that disabling shot has been butchered somehow.
The delay before the skill starts is horrendous (same as flanking strike) even though similar skills on other classes like warrior gs #3 or mesmer sword #2 work absolutely fine with their evasion.
I guess it’s not news but the queueing for this skill seems to be pretty effed up too
somehow. I press the button twice like a double tap and even though the second button press is clearly during the first animation a second and sometimes even third use is queued… urgh!

Well, what I originally wanted to ask was: Was there always this ridiculous aftercast?
I’m pretty positive that during the time I mained thief for spvp, there was never this
weird ‘backpaddeling’ after the initial jump.
Is this a bug or are we stuck with this joke?

PSILO.4068:

I still don’t understand how you people can not like Skyhammer. It’s gameplay is good for breaking up the monotony. And it’s really easy to change your specs (on ANY class) that make it suited for the map/gameplay.

Because certain classes are stupidly overpowered in on a map where it’s possible to oneshot people with enough cc.
On the other end of the spectrum there are classes with almost no hard cc or
stability.
General balance is already pretty wonky (though it got better the last couple of patches). So yeah, on other maps classes are subject to general balance while on SH being paired with classes like engineer is almost a guaranteed win.

So her projectiles in p1 and whip attacks as well as the leap is a onehit without numerical damage?
Nerfing the boss will not ‘put all players on even footing’ but devalue it even more.
Instead of ranting here, you could be ingame and practice. Just saying…

Clyan.1593:

Crovax.7854:

Clyan.1593:

I don’t even know, if the shadowfall went down or if any clone exploded. Everything i was looking at was her healthbar while i acoustically focused on the asuran voice counting down from “two” to “one”.

Just for the record: you do realise that sword #2 grants evadeframes and shadowfall can be evaded? No need to be nervous about getting killed if you are mid animation.

I just said, that i didnt know if the shadowfall went down and the clones exploded before i killed her. That’s all. You misinterpret the message. I was afraid of the countdown, not the dmg.

my bad, you made it sound like that move was some kind of last resort when in reality evading shadowfall through skills is something, many players do.

gratz anyway. always glad to see people beat her through observation and adaptation!

Clyan.1593:

I don’t even know, if the shadowfall went down or if any clone exploded. Everything i was looking at was her healthbar while i acoustically focused on the asuran voice counting down from “two” to “one”.

Just for the record: you do realise that sword #2 grants evadeframes and shadowfall can be evaded? No need to be nervous about getting killed if you are mid animation.

Jorvych.3064:

Crovax.7854:

Taygus.4571:

120+tries ..(not sure, I stopped counting)…

I finally beat her… my hands are screaming at me… the fight was horrible.

I’m telling this for anyone who’s thinking of giving up. Don’t.

also no, I dont feel great for beating her, unlike every one else who likes the challenge. She is a very frustrating fight..I hate it, .but I;m glad to have my mini..

Guess i was right and you could just beat her like everybody else with more than 3 weeks to spare…
But hey, let’s just cry for free ‘rewards’.

wait, I still have three weeks to beat her?

err i just said ‘3’ by habit since Anet realeases in s1 were usually 2week content to start with the next release building upon the first, bringing it to a total of 4 weeks for realease 1 and 2 weeks for release 2.

it might as well be over 1 week to go but that still means we haven’t even reached half time and people already start to whine.

Taygus.4571:

120+tries ..(not sure, I stopped counting)…

I finally beat her… my hands are screaming at me… the fight was horrible.

I’m telling this for anyone who’s thinking of giving up. Don’t.

also no, I dont feel great for beating her, unlike every one else who likes the challenge. She is a very frustrating fight..I hate it, .but I;m glad to have my mini..

Guess i was right and you could just beat her like everybody else with more than 3 weeks to spare…
But hey, let’s just cry for free ‘rewards’.

Kaellok.8143:

Wethospu.6437:

NickChabby.8907:

PS: I would have loved to see most of you try last year at the last gauntlet, when AOE were barely visible, when there was camera issues with the ceiling, when it cost gold to repair the armor and when changing your traits/builds also cost money. You’re in no position to complain this year after all these change. Not at all.

I did it last year no problem! Just Frenzy + 100b = gg.

Anyways, just like last year, I’m willing to help people by ANY means necessary.

You’re saying you did it with a greatsword warrior?

I’m all ears, how did you do it? Surely it wasn’t that simple?

Fear me or stomp against the wall and frenzy hb. nothing more to it.
endure pain to survive shadowfall.

Kuzzi.2198:

I remember specifically asking for a title for 8 orbs last year and getting a response that this would be highly taken into consideration. It seems like giving the achievement to simply killing Liadri must have been a mistake. There was already a mini that was given for killing her in the past, so there was no need for a title.

Also, those few people who managed to do 8 orbs put in many hours to be able to accomplish that. The title should be added retroactively to those who have completed it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/jubilee/Light-Up-The-Darkness-needs-a-title/first#post2599618

That’s the dev response the thread from 9 months ago got.
It really is strange that killing her nets 2 rewards while something harder gives zero.

‘argumentum a majore ad minus’ and so on…

Taygus.4571:

Crovax.7854:

Ayrilana.1396:

I never understood why people argued that Liadri needed to be nerfed when practically the entire fight is predictable.

Because paying for the game entitles them to have everything in it!
I mean, who buys games for a challenge anyway? pfft

I didnt buy gw2 for a challenge… thats not what I read the advertisement of it to be. If I wanted to challenge I’d pick a different game. (and thats exactly what most hardcore players do.)

You mean the advertisement before launch that said the combat will be skillful and rewards timed dodges in conjunction with understanding of game mechanics.
Dungeons with explorable paths that are so hard, that repair costs were considered a significant goldsink by the devs?

Or the premise of fractals after launch that was: Better rewards for higher levels and harder difficulty?

Or the megabosses after that? ‘Bosses that take even organised groups many tries to down’?

Just wondering where you got the impression that everything is handed to you.

Ayrilana.1396:

I never understood why people argued that Liadri needed to be nerfed when practically the entire fight is predictable.

Because paying for the game entitles them to have everything in it!
I mean, who buys games for a challenge anyway? pfft

Taygus.4571:

Crovax.7854:

Taygus.4571:

but minis should be something everyone can get

Maybe I’m mistaken but everyone can get it oO

I have a disability that makes this very difficult…so no, not everyone can get it.

so umm… tough luck? sorry this mini isn’t awarded for effort but
for achieving something (as are many things in life)

Taygus.4571:

but minis should be something everyone can get

Maybe I’m mistaken but everyone can get it oO

Kaellok.8143:

Most of my frustration with Liadri is directed at myself and not the design. Most of the failures can be attributed to not dodging at the right or dodging when not needed, leading to endurance starvation. Sometimes I thought her Visionaries were too far to have been able to one shot me, but for the most part, my deaths were my fault. I’ve been running warrior rifle axe/warhorn for the bleed on the rifle, #3 axe skill for orbs, and the speed buff on warhorn. My build is 0/0/6/2/6. Any other tips people can give me. I feel like it’s doable, but alas, I haven’t beaten her yet.

try sw/wh and lb

you don’t need axe for damage, use traited wh for boon conversion and
cleansing ire. sw/wh for p1 and lb for p2.
she has so little hp that the burn and bleed from pin down is enough to kill her with plenty of time to spare.

if you have enough adrenaline, just stay on lb and cleanse the cripple with f1,
if not switch and use wh +sw for vigor and leap to get out of
shadowfall and preserve a dodge.

you can dodge shadowfall, just count 1-2-dodge, should be pretty easy after you get the hang of it.

good luck!

edit: most people i see fail do so because of wasted dodges.
don’t dodge to get out of shadowfall, that’s just wasted endurance.
if you find yourself in the middle of it, just dodge it alltogether which leaves you in a safe spot for the next shadowfall.
if you are at the edge of the aoe with time to spare,
don’t dodge out, just run.

Taygus.4571:

ypu may want to read some of my other posts before replying with whats sounds like a short tempered answer. "like how dare anyone want liadri, if they cant beat her like the rest of us. "

shame on us for wanting mini’, a generally quite casual goal.

Taygus.4571:

and for others, it’s acceptance that they’ll never beat her.

and its not the end of the game if you don’t. It’s like she has some uber cool weapons, or is the guardian to dungeons etc.

So if you’re really struggling, and are more annoyed/frustrated than happy with it, Do something else, walk away from it.. there’s more to the game.

To me it looks like you accepted that you can’t have everything in the game and that you are not entitled to rewards you did not earn.

I don’t get your point, sorry :/

Jorvych.3064:

she reminds me of a actually-fighting Adnul Irongut. from what I’ve noticed, there’s a hint of luck with her fight. sometimes the rifts won’t pop in certain places, enabling you to focus more on doing whatever. sometimes you won’t notice or you’ll forget about the rifts altogether, getting pulled in her aoe and dying miserably.
just keep sinking your tickets into her.

The orbs have set spawn points but alter in which they spawn meaning they are not actually random. However if you get sucked into shadowfall
kill the orb with downstate #1 to rally

Everything else like shadowfall and adds have set spawnpoints and work the same everytime, just learn the pattern.

Taygus.4571:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Wethospu.6437:

If some of you get really desperate you can always try to find a trustable friend/guy to do it for you.

That’s what some people did last year.

This.

Believe me though, if you do it yourself, you will a) improve your gameplay, b) improve the knowledge about your class and c) feel like you actually accomplished something, which is rare in gw2 imo.
If you really can’t do it, don’t bother with her. Liadri was made like because only people with a certain skill level are supposed to kill her (and lifedrainers etc. ofc)

yeah but…what of us mini collectors T_T, anet, make liadri tradable XD

You mini collectors can just kill her like everybody else…

Orpheal.8263:

Crovax.7854:

The difference between your examples and 8orbs is skill. What you listed were all just time consuming.
Tbh the whole post just reeks of ’ I know i can’t do it, so others shouldn’t get something i’ll never be able to obtain myself’.

edit: so what? just make a cloned achievement with title for this year. I doubt anyone who could do it last year will be furious about having to do it another time.

FYI, I’ven beaten Liadri yesterday, I could care less about 8 orbs. If I will get it, good, nice, if not, I won’t be whiney over it …
If now skill is required or not, is absolutely irrelvant.
Fact is, ANet decided not to give her a title for 8 orbs last time, they decided to give her not a title extra for that also this time, Instead they gave her a title to beat her just normally and just beating her normally requires already enough skill.

Its this kind of elitists, that make me sick.
My Examples I made there did I made only, to show that in regard of titles, theres ALOT of other things, which deserve first to get titles, before some kind of silly temporary content, that most likely will return also next year again should get any attention at all.
Its far more important to fix and add things first to the permanent content of this game, than to please a stupid minority of elitists, just so that they get something with that they can boast with that title, how superior they am over many others, when basically the minipet and the title Blazing Light are already enough for that as a reward for sucessfulyl doing something, where very alot of other people miserably fail at already.

Besides of my examples above, theres tons of other things, that are far more important to be looked at first. Some people really should set their priorities right…

Also by the way, Jumping Puzzles isn’t time consuming, they require also skill, a different type of skill, but it requires skill to do them all. Just wanted to mention that.

It’s this kind of bossy attitude that makes me sick.
You do realise that Anet is divded into teams which means they can work on many aspects of the game simultaniously?
Who are you to deny others a goal to works towards?
What’s the point of legendaries if it’s as you imply and the game is not about showing off? What’s the point of skins like infinite light or mjolnir if not to show some kind of achievement? In theory stat cap is easy to reach, so why are people running around in legendaries or other skins instead of the default ones?

Just because people here represent a minority doesn’t mean we are not allowed to have an opinion. But i guess Anet was right not to include a title for something many players can’t do (something, Liadri actually was supposed to be!) because of people like you, who get offended by the idea of something remotely exclusive.

What’s wrong about things, you can’t obtain but others do?
I’ll never have a legendary because of time constraints in unwillingness to grind
but guess what; that’s okay
I’ll never have a reaper title or legendary champion. Guess what; that’s okay.
I’ll never have skins from hall of monuments even though the hammer and warhorn would look absolutely awesome on my warrior but guess what; that’s okay
I’ll never have the skins from the heroic edition even though some of the individual pieces would significantly contribute to my characters looks but guess what;
Even that is okay.

Because I’m not entitled to everything other players have

Deal with the fact others want goals rewarded with visible upgrades to their character

Orpheal.8263:

its an achievement enough to beat her.
The minipet is visual proof enough for this.

Adding a title retroactively for 8 orbs wouldn#t be good.
Why on hell are people so horny about it to get a title for this, just only so that they have somethign with that they can stroke their ego peens more ??

Juts to get something that theycan hold upon someone others noses??

Be glad, that they added the title of Blazing Light for beatign liadri, for those that don’t like to show it off with the minipet.

Theres more important things to do for this game than to retroactively add new titles to every old fluff, that we can repeat for once, cause of Anet having decided to bring back for now two of the old events from the past under this one patch.

Theres a ton of other achievements that deserve of getting some meaningful titles theoretically, than this one. The only achievements that should get retroactively titles if at all should be the starter achievements, that were there from begin on, when the game got released.

Example:
Master all of the weapons, get the Title “Master of Weapon Arts”
Slay every creature of the game 1000x, get the title “Demon Hunter”
Find all hidden Treasure Chests, get the title “Relic Hunter”
Do all Jumping Puzzles, get the title “The Unstopable”
Explore Tyria to 100%, get the title “Explorer of Tyria”
Unlock all Traits, get the title “Master Strategist”
Collect X Legendary Items, get the title “Fabulous Myth”
Collect the Minis of T2, get the title “Miniature Lover”
Collect the Minis of T3, get the title “Miniature Expert”
Win 1000 Costume Brawls, get the title “Disciple of the Mad King”
Kill 2500 Enemies using Group Combos, get the title “Tactical Genius”
Revive 10000 Players, get the Title “Live Saver”

Thats stuff, that should be done about achievements/titles first and would make more sense, than to add retroactively titles to temporary living story content.
If at all, then only to content, that is permanent like the stuff I’ve listed up above.

The difference between your examples and 8orbs is skill. What you listed were all just time consuming.
Tbh the whole post just reeks of ’ I know i can’t do it, so others shouldn’t get something i’ll never be able to obtain myself’.

edit: so what? just make a cloned achievement with title for this year. I doubt anyone who could do it last year will be furious about having to do it another time.

Concerning the rifts, if you get pulled into shadowfall, you can rally off of them!

edit: didn’t know that but just saw a war doing it: clone explosions can be blocked with sword #5 or mace #2. also endure pain seems to negate shadowfall.

Now exclusively in the gem store:

Beards for female characters!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I think there should be a rule where if you don’t beat her within 100 tries, you’re blocked from attempting further. That would be incentive to learn the mechanics.

You. I like how you think.
<3

Smooth Penguin.5294:

RyuDragnier.9476:

For those of you saying it’s easy, do it as a thief. You’ll have your challenge then.

Actually, I was only able to pull it off using my Thief. Dual pistol condi plus a lot of backward dodge roll skills and dodge food. I think I was able to pull up to 5 dodges in emergencies.

you don’t even need that many. even if someone fails to realise the extremely simple a-b-a-b pattern of shadowfall and stands in it constantly, that person could just dodge the oneshot with a single timed dodge or evade ability

Zach.3264:

You want an area of the game that is “easy” to be rewarding?

……

If you came to that conclusion, you obviously haven’t read the OP.
I asked for options to make it more difficult if the player chooses so,
just like the gambits but with titles or minis associated with it.

Getting a title for the fight is fine but there should be further ways to progress my character through titles, unique skins etc. if I do the fight with, say, 4+ gambits.
How about a unique title for beating her with 2,4,6,8 gambits, giving 8orbs a title just to name a few possibilities.

Rezz.8019:

OP you said you did it after your 4th try. That already means it’s hard. Is there any dungeon that took you 4 tries to finish?
I think average player would need about 50 tries to kill liadri. Better need less and worse need more obviously.

It is hard! Also: liadri isn’t easier this year, it’s just that everyone plays better as they are more experienced in the game. For example: last year I couldn’t get 8 orbs and now I got it after 20 tries or so.

4 tries for a boss is definitely not hard. even armstrong in revengeance took me more than that…
edit: just because dungeons are even easier doesn’t justify this ‘hardcore’ content to be beatable that fast. I remeber that one boss in arah p4 after they patched
it so she is invulnerable if she is invisible but before the nerf. I’d consider that a real ‘challange’.

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Just had a look at her previous posts; thief.
Unfortunately there are no walkthroughs on the thief subforums
but i know that poisons ignore her shield in p1 so you can wittle her down and when you see that time is running short, finish p1 and burst down what little is left of her.

s/p for pistolwhip. shadowfall can be evaded. withdraw for mobility and SS for cond removal and when you run out of endurance and initiative to evade shadowfall.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Bear form trick?

CC her to the edge of the platform, then bearform charge to chain many 3k+ hits.
There’s a video of this somewhere.

Serbianwolf.1652:

I wont try anymore. .

Good. Problem solved.

Then don’t?

You play warrior? Good, me too.
Beat her on my fourth try and the whole affair took me like 10 minutes.
It’s doable. If you can’t do it then you are not good enough. End of story.
Learn to play or deal with the fact that you can’t have everything.

Oh i got this warm and fuzzy feeling again <3

Not sure, it was a long time ago…
edit:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/jubilee/Liadri-Slayer-Club/first
according to this, third try with switching out endure pain, which i normally run, for shake it off

So after beating Liadri on my fourth try without even changing traits and
white weapons without sigils i’m left rather unsatisfied.
Getting a title for the fight is nice and all but seeing as how easy it is an considering
Anet stated that they wanted only a small fraction of the palyerbase to beat her
I think we should be able to up the difficulty a bit with additional rewards.

This game is mostly about cosmetics and individuality; players want to
distinguish themselfes from others.
That’s why some of them spend hundreds of hours to farm legendaries
or other rare skins. That’s why I like rare titles that show my personal skill.
The Liadri title is worth absolutely nothing.
Just taking a look around the forums i see so many people who have beaten her after a few tries and it really takes away from the feeling of accomplishing something.

Why is there no title for 8 orbs or Liadri with X gambits.
Besides, we only have 2 qq threads; a clear indicator that it’s too easy.
Not sure about last year but reading all the complaints from people who couldn’t beat her gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling <3

of·fi·cial (?-f?sh??l)
adj.
1. Of or relating to an office or a post of authority
2. Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative

The authority here is ArenaNet. Them not backing this makes it nonofficial.
Although that’s just a sidenote; good luck with the whole thing.

If it’s not backed by Anet, why do you call it ‘official’?

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Crovax.7854:

0/0/2/6/6 with cleric

real similar to what I run in wvw sounds like. Surprises me to see top pvp players running builds I thought I needed to apologize for and was thinking of swapping out for celestial.

I’m pretty sure it’s not as good in wvw due to 5target-limit and low damage preventing efficient tagging.

0/0/2/6/6 with cleric

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Crovax.7854:

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Which one of Apex is the staff ele? (my video is coming in blurry)

Master Splinter, the charr

Thanks.

New to pvp, I didn’t think I could even play as my main staff ele.

Lol sorry Apex’ ele is Dáy, my bad. But they both run the exact same specc to my knowledge.

SlothBear.9846:

What bug did good fights abuse?

Not sure if that’s it but there is currently a bug with warriors who take the trait ‘deep strikes’ gaining the passive effect of signet of might (180power)

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Which one of Apex is the staff ele? (my video is coming in blurry)

Master Splinter, the charr

I prayed for caed’s team to pull off that comeback on khylo.
In addition to being better imho they deserved that win solely for not playing cheese

Elxdark.9702:

lol why is everybody blaming Gf for using a bug when rom used the block bug no one said nothing about that.

because that’s not a bug

xGreeD.6018:

Crovax.7854:

[…]

I really like that warriors seem to move away from hambow though.
That a/sw-lb looks quite potent.

On the first glance you might be right, but this 1v1-build has been viable for about as long as hambow has dominated the scene. Therefore Warriors running that build have strong 1v1 capabilities, but fall off in teamfights in comparision to hambow. Overall the warrior will try to do more on his own and without his team. In other words: That build is great if your team isn’t using the opportunities your stuns create anyways.

In addition to that hambow can still win most duels – in my opinion the difference just is not worth the loss in teamfight-capabilities.

Haha yeah. You can scrap my statement anyways since the far pushing build was only used the first couple of matches; Now it’s hammertime again.
I really had such high hopes for other builds being showcased.

But maybe Anet decides to take a closer look at this braindead engi condspam after the the tournament is over.

http://youtu.be/otCpCn0l4Wo?t=2m8s

BlackBeard.2873:

It seems US teams like rolling a lot tankier, compared to the “superior rotation” strats that top EU teams have.

It’s a shame we don’t see more EU style comps.

A lot of US teams remind me of what we see on lower levels in EU – a lot of engi cond spam with comparatively many spiritrangers and little mesmerplay.
I really like that warriors seem to move away from hambow though.
That a/sw-lb looks quite potent.

Liewec.2896:

i think the stuns are ok, its a cc weapon, the problem is that you can spec to deal a huge amount of damage with it while maintaining the high passive healing of a bunker.

imho the damage should be drastically lowered but the cc should stay.

You obviously never played against a competent bunker(-guardian).

Valentin.2073:

Crovax.7854:

Valentin.2073:

Crovax.7854:

Valentin.2073:

Crovax.7854:

Hammer skills are highly telegraphed, and hambow easily kited,
f1 #4 and #5 have huge tells, lb #5 got a long cast time and huge tell.
If you get stunlocked, use your elite for insane stab duration;
you should kill him quickly if you both are GC, if he isn’t, then his damage will be subpar too.

Again, l2dodge; hammer skills are already hugely telegraphed, slow
and far from ‘spamable’.
Yes, i play a warrior. No, it’s a shout/support and yes, i have played hammer to the degree of understanding the fundamentals of the build and the cds.

how many are those stun skills again? thats a total of 4. how many does a ranger have do you think? a ranger has 2, 1 from the shortbow and the other 1 from Greatsword. btw, rangers need to attack from behind to stun people. no offense meant, but do you know how hard it is to play a non-spirit ranger?

I count 3 of which 2 are not even stuns, LB #5 is an immob with high CD and i solely listed it because warriors generally use it to set up stuns; easily sidestepped or dodged with its new animation.

edit: protip, if you engage a warrior and see him charging up ‘pin down’ spam qeqeqeqe or whatever you have bound your strafing to, since the projectile hits the spot you would have been if you countinued moving in that direction

you dont even need to flank, dude. your longbow aoe stun is as huge as a cap point itself. tbh, i dont understand why you have access to all these interrupts and stuns. hambow is an ez mode invention just like MM’s and PU mesmers. and the number of people playing such builds shows how easy it is for beginners.

Longbow aoe stun? not sure if trolling… :/
Just a guess but you actually do not know how warrior works right?
Please inform yourself before claiming something to be ‘ez mode’.
Tip: the mistake was in your second sentence.

ohh please. it is the most braindead build ever invented in gw2. you think people will believe that you are running a hard to learn spec? lol. you guys are funny. a hambow actually thinks he’s using a spec that takes skills. hilarious.

You can’t imagine how little I care if you believe, that i play a shout build or not

That’s just Sizers specc. Shadd and Sensotix used a 2/6/0/0/6 s/p.
Both are relatively squishy so stay out of nodefights, support with sb and
go in when AoE density isn’t as high anymore

One thing I’d like to add is:

• Please don’t use the fixed camera angles from the minimap as much.

Focus on the third person perspective from individual players; that way we can see
when and how cds are used.
We can see dodges far better and it gives a greater feel of action while being far more
clear as to what’s actually happening.

Carighan.6758:

Mind you, I think a team size of 8-10 people would work much better than the current super-smallscale teams for this. It’s very difficult to designate proper subroles in such tiny teams.

8 man teams in hotjoin were an ultra spamfest and even now,
i struggle to stay alive with my thief in teamfights, when going in.
As you might have seen in the ToL, the most prominent style for thieves was to stay out, use low damage SB and just going in at the very end when there weren’t as much AoEs around.
10-15man worked worlds better in games like WoW because of three reasons:
AoE weren’t as abundant and dealt much lower damage
Normal attacks and skills don’t cleave
Healers

Emapudapus.1307:

For new meta i would say more like 2 bunker engis and 3 wars. Only thing changed, as i see, is that there are axe warriors on the rise, bunkers, that do 10k eviscerate ….

Are you smoking the same stuff as OP? Engi is a potent bunker but will, in its current state, never be a better pick than guard. Axe bunker? 10k? What?

Carighan.6758:

Harper.4173:

Let’s not forget how they’re one of the strongest roamers in WvW too.

But again, that’s ultra-smallscale, usually 1v1. A PvP format specifically discourages by the game’s mechanics and systems.

A PvP format, the games encourages however is fighting on cappoints, which are easily spammed with bombs or nades, enemies are easily pushed out of, thanks to instant pushback, and launch with no read at all. Add to that a chained immob and you have to ultimate 1v1 fighter for this games only PvP format.

Yes, i know, decap wasn’t played at the tournament today but only because its usefulness diminishes the more organized the group is. In soloq or single/double join teamq however this specc has an incredible risk/reward curve, requires little skill and can keep a point contested even against 2 enemies for an extended period of time.

Its a shame Anet never realised how anti-fun this playstyle is and the fact one of the devs posted something along the lines of: thanks for the info, we never knew this specc was a problem at all, shows that they are a bit clueless what the state of the game is atm, high class tournaments, like the current one or ESL aside.

PS: I think that’s mainly because decap is played more on EU while the rampant condi spam is more apparent in the US.

edit: My point is: Yes hambow is strong but there are other, more gamebreaking speccs out there.