Post 26th Reaper about 19-20k dps at Gorseval.
Post 26th Daredevil about 18-19k dps at Sabetha.
Pre 26th Burnzerker about 22-23k dps at Gorseval.
Pre 26th Tempest Staff about 19k dps at Sabetha (Tempest wasn’t nerf with the 26th so it’s probably about the same now)
I’m not saying these are absolute numbers. There is variable in there, but the fact is
- Current Reaper and Daredevil DPS is pretty much in line with Tempest and really not far from Herald. They are not OP, they are just currently on the TOP of the dps chart.
- Burnzerker was OP because it was a bit too high compare to every other profession. That’s not the case of Reaper and Daredevil.
- Reaper is actually in a really good place beceause to achieve this kind of dps, you need 2 Reaper that bounce each other Epidemic. It also need a healer to keep his jagged horror alive. It’s good, but it need help to achieve his highest dps. Otherwise it drop a couple place in term of dps.
- The only problem i personnally, see is Daredevil. Thief on general doesn’t have much support like other profession. They have some, but they are useless in raid. So imo, they SHOULD be one of the best DPS profession in the game. The problem is that they should have reached that dps (at least partially) by increasing the dps of the Backstab. That way, Thief would a high dps profession, but for that you would need to be able to backstab on a regular basis, which can be hard in current Raid.
Now guys. If you still want to argue that Reaper and Daredevil are OP, bring us some evidence because so far it seem that they are pretty much in line in term of DPS with other profession. Engineer and Tempest have that kind of dps for a long time. But I would be happy to get proven wrong.
I guess that Reaper could reach higher dps than that with like an high amount of jagged horror, but that would take a lot of time to reach that point and you probably would need either a freaking good team that doesn’t put pressure on the Healer so the can heal the minions or sacrificing more dps on the team to have enough heal for the minons. But anyway, bring evidence that Reaper or Daredevil can reach something like 22-25k dps and we’ll talk.
First off, great to have someone actually numbers or at least someone trying to work off of numbers. (not happy with how you basically “shaved” off some dps from thief and necro and “added” some dps to tempest, as though people wouldn’t notice). Going by the video you linked:
Repear at Gore: 19-24k depending on if they are moving, on adds, evading ground aoe
Burnzerker at Gore: aside from the bugged dps meter, corrects itsself at about 19-23k dps
DD at Sabatha: quite accurate 19-20k, it’s auto attack only so can’t really go wrong there
Tempest at Sabatha: peak 19-20k dps, if you watch the entire fight, the tempest is much closer to 15-17k and this is before alacrity got nerfed.
Second, please stick to one fight. Sabatha and Goreseval get way different damage numbers from different classes. Even with those videos you linked, they clearly show how far above other classes Thief and Necro are at the moment.
Third, look at the rotation in the DD video, it’s in the description, here let me quote it:
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Fourth, tempest did not perse get a nerf, but alacrity did. So if we go by simply adjusting for less damage from weaker alacrity it won’t remain “probably the same”. But this gets complicated since going by our tempests, they did get buffed so total damage might be higher.
Final comment, raids are currently stacking repears and tempests (your linked video of reaper has 3 of them in the raid). That should have peoples red flags go up.
Again, go through my posts and notice what I (I don’t care about other, I can only speak for myself) am saying. Necro and thief will get nerfed along the road. Both due to different reasons, but it will happen. You can keep arguing and throwing up smokescreens, but it’s highly unlikely that arenanet is going to keep thiefs at this dps when they just now nerfed revenant because of this (hence why I’m advocating for changes which keep the dps similar but not quite as braindead). Both classes are seeing heavy discrimination from spvp aswell.
(edited by Cyninja.2954)