Guild Wars 2

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Some 40 or so permanent events were added around the game in our very first content update. They were met with little interest or fanfare.

I think the error was in expecting “fanfare”. You created a game that you wanted to be alive, but to make zones feel real & alive would take years of constant DE additions. Why would you expect 1 release of 40 DEs to be significant? I honestly want to know.
I’m not saying it’s not a lot of work, but you’d have to double the number of total events in the game to help make DEs feel Dynamic like they were originally billed. I feel that you attempted 5% of the project then labeled it unsuccessful.

At the absolute very least, you should be constantly adding new branches into the most popular DEs in the game. things like the temples should have at least 4 ways of playing out. The Dragons need to be totally redone with movement & phases, more strategy, unique weapon/armor skins.

I feel like the team totally underestimated how Many DEs it would take to make a world that feels living & over estimated how the LS would make things feel living. I think DEs are the way to go, but they need an overall more cohesive movement. I like the idea of invasions, but the incorporation of it was so cheap. I feel like GW2 would benefit hugely from cribbing the Rifts invasion system.

In the end I feel like the primary reasoning from not going the DE route is just “too much effort for too little return”

Nageth.5648:

You find Logan publicly calling out the Queen repeatedly in the middle of crisis situations to be okay? He rather repeatedly over steps his bounds. Anise is calling him out on this behavior.

Repeatedly? you mean once? For a tactically idiotic move? (you don’t hide the Queen’s whereabouts from the most important, trusted human fighter in the world who’s single handedly done more to defeat the ED’s than either of these 2. that’s pant’s-on-head reasoning)

Overstepping his bound? You mean like “the queen exploded, there are monster everywhere, I don’t know what my defensive position is or how to find the Queen if she exists at all & it’s the woman I love & I’m supposed to act normal” that “over stepping his bounds?” that’s the “petulant” question that needs to be “called out”. that’s where Anise needed to step in for the queen & ask what he’s doing about hunting Scarlet down even though it’s none of her business. (& apparently it’s ok for her to over-step her bounds under the guise of attitude) After showing she’s not to be trusted by making the Clockwork show a personal attack on him.

yeah, Logan’s the one who’s off kilter here.. kitten

Direksone.3867:

This. And once you get to know the background behind Logan and Rytlock and Eir and Zoijja you’ll understand the anger and bitterness. Read the Edge of Destiny novel or do some research and it will become clear. And yea in general those two races are pretty harsh to begin with. Asura are annoying little know it alls and Charr are bitter given their past (the majority at least). Every Asura in the other books I’ve read have the same type of character at first, but once they get to know them, they’re really something else.

Nah, she’s just annoying. Vekk & Oola are a good example of cool characters. Zojja is like a caricature of an Asura. Rytlock is not as bad, except for the Logan parts. but the way they do “tension/bitterness” is just annoying. I don’t feel the hurt, I just see jerks.

Anise handles Logan in a much more entertaining way.

You find being an jerk entertaining? ok.. Anise is another over-compensatey character. we’ll make her bossy, talk down to Logan for no logical reason, constantly jab with quips, be the “real” protector of the queen & that will be her “attitude”. nah, Anise blows.

I noticed eh only way they know how to make female characters is to give them “attitude” & make them irrationally powerful. It’s one of the Reasons Eir so cool, level-headed. And strong because she’s 9 ft of muscle not just cuz it’s “ironic”. she’s one of the few females in the game that isn’t like a Deviant Art character.

hmm.. I would prefer more strategic kind of set up. like a modified WvW where you take back land.. The attacks don’t even follow a flow or plan, & the mobs just spawn & sit. (which is exactly what they made fun of in the manifesto) They have no purpose or plan, the surroundings don’t matter, they have no objective.. it’s just so simple right now. I mean.. ugh. I thought they only wanted to release stuff when they “do it right”

I think Eir & Logan are the least offensively annoying of the mains. with Rytlock & Zojja just being totally jerks in an attempt to have “attitude”.

They are a nice distraction right now, but “zerg random circle locations” will get old pretty quick. If you’re gonna do a Rifts style invasion, go all the way. have troop movement, location capping, strategic commander kills & fortification.

This could be super cool, but right now, it’s not so much an invasion as it is random kill DEs.

have to say, the login UI is awesome.

Except that The Sylvari are stupidly overpowered & central to the story… they may be Elder Dragon Minions, they are immune to corruption, they know things before they are born, are connected to the mists & use it to fight the Dragons, they Mother Tree can see the friggin future, lead the pact,, & now apparently can be more intelligent than anyone..

Norn? They have a fractal (which currently has 0 story), Brahm who’s barely Norn, Shaman’s who can enter the mists & no one cares, The most powerful guy in the game who knocked a Dragon tooth out & Norn woman make fun of him. sweet!

I just miss awesome characters like:
Master of Whispers
Vekk
General Morgan
Koss

The 2 best characters; Tibalt & Forgal are dead. it’s like they hate cool characters.

Uruz Six.6594:

Uruz Six.6594:

And we have to know exactly everything about them in the first chapter too.

I think you’re on to something…

I understand there may be more going on, but does a character ever have to be annoying & silly at ANY given point in time? it’s POSSIBLE. doesn’t mean it’s good. Again, it might make sense if it’s a Mursaat possessing/manipulating her, but it doesn’t make her less annoying & silly to fight/listen to.

offence.4726:

Yes Scarlet is awesome , she being a Sylvari is the icing on the cake

That’s not ICING!!!!!

Evans.6347:

I see this ‘she graduated from 3 colleges, omg she’s smarter than the asura’ thing pop up plenty of times and I just have to say that’s not necessarily true.

Putting aside the fact that she was able to join each of the colleges (which is pretty absurd), it’s a known fact that by Asuran standards these colleges look down upon each other. As is usual for Asura, they each feel that they are the best.

I think it’s not the case that an Asura would not be able to graduate from all the college’s, but more a case of they don’t want to. I’m sure graduating from one college gives you no advantage or prestige when joining a different one, ‘because those were just amateurs’ anyway. After graduating they would just start focussing on their own achievements, rather than waste time on lesser studies.

I think the point ppl are making is that for any non-asuran (especially Sylvari) person you be able to study all that in record time, top of the class & have seen the eternal alchemy is jump-the-shark moment where Anet is trying to give weight to Mrs Bonkers Woo-woo. It’s painful.

If it were a Mursaat? ok, it all makes sense.. Sylvari? ughhh.. stop trying to make me think they are cool by making them amazing at everything. my eyes can only roll so much.

Yamsandjams.3267:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

I’m really curious about her motives though. Assuming she isn’t evil for the sake of being evil.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Ugh, you aren’t SERIOUSLY comparing her character to the Joker? that’s like comparing a Risen to Galactus.

Shriketalon.1937:

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you nailed it. This is a problem with a lot of the characters, especially the Sylvari. The manufactured “awesomeness” of the characters, especially the dainty ones who are “deceptively powerful” is painful.
Forgal? Awesome. not because I was told he was awesome, but because he was cool & believable. Caithe? I’m TOLD she’s awesome with “she killed a bajillion xyz” but she’s mopey & annoying. Oola? she was cool. not over done, not breaking everything with her fists, she played a part, had a memorable personality & was cool & funny. Master of Whispers? awesome. commanded respect, showed his wisdom & had a cool, controlled attitude. Gwen? annoying bossy “commander” who never proves her worth except by being angry & “tough”. Even Margrid the Sly was cooler than Scarlet. & she had like 2 scenes..

Scarlet is, at best, a side kick or a #2. She probably should have been the replacement for Canach. She commands no respect or authority, has no strong presence. I don’t see her leading anyone but maybe some hounds. If it’s supposed to be Joker-esque, i’m afraid it totally failed. Besides, a bonkers woo-woo villain isn’t going to coordinate this kind of force.

Grimwolf.7163:

The Kodan are what Norn should have been.

Definitely disagree with that.

I agree the whole shape-shifting thing was totally fumbled. It might as well not exists in GW2, it’s weak, not long enough to be fun & has no connection to your character. But the artificial way they keep trying to TELL me Sylvari are cool is so silly. If they put half the effort into the Norn it would be nice. Instead, Norns are the big idiots at the end of the meat-head joke & little sylvari girls can break their arms & are smarter than Asura. The cool old-man-sage-warrior in the mountains with the connection to the mists is apparently dropped in favor of the annoying not-believable villain-sue genius.

ugh.. it’s like Anet is angry Sylvari aren’t popular so they over-compensate by now making one laughably super-smart.
And they’re mad Norn are really popular so they make Brahm weak sauce & Norn have almost no impact on the story.

Vayra.3290:

DarksunG.9537:

I like the IDEA, but I feel like this is half-done.

The invasions should be from key, fortified points, her troops should move to strategic locations, build up towns & outposts & take resources.

Players should make important decisions as to what to attack first, stop her supply caravans, sabotage equipment & kill commanders.

it should kinda be like WvW. the “kill next circle” is… its cool, but.. dunno.. doesn’t seem well thought out.

As for being a “big reveal!” or “something you’ve never seen!” uhh… no. it’s just random kill mobs DEs popping in random locations.. not new..

Considering that the events take place over so many different zones that’s a bit much to ask when it’s released on such a short schedule If the event was limited to 2-3 zones then I agree it should be much more like that.

4 months? ehhh…

I like the IDEA, but I feel like this is half-done.

The invasions should be from key, fortified points, her troops should move to strategic locations, build up towns & outposts & take resources.

Players should make important decisions as to what to attack first, stop her supply caravans, sabotage equipment & kill commanders.

it should kinda be like WvW. the “kill next circle” is… its cool, but.. dunno.. doesn’t seem well thought out.

As for being a “big reveal!” or “something you’ve never seen!” uhh… no. it’s just random kill mobs DEs popping in random locations.. not new..

Yeah, she’s annoying.. Certainly not menacing or cool. Getting sick of the “whimsical , laughy cutesy female”. IT works as a side character, but it’s just head-scratching when she’s supposed to be the big bad. And the “She’s a genius!” is laughably dumb.

Should have just been an Alternate Shodd. He’s got a less annoying personality & doesn’t look .. well.. like her.

With the new Twisted Watchwork mechanic, it would be fun for us to be able to use our PvP finisher in PvE!

haha, HoboTron is pretty awesome.. Scarlet on the other hand.. ehhhh

Yeah, I have to say.. the Spirit Weapons are pretty useless. I thought they kinda sucked at launch, now I can’t see any reason to use them. They should either be totally reworked design wise or replaced with something worth while, but I can’t see how they find these as properly designed skills. The shield is the closest to being useful, but with how quickly these die, how unpredictable & uncontrollable they are &the long cooldown.. I don’t get it.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

If you use some elses research, it’s common to give them proper credit. In some cases not properly crediting your sources can make you loose your job. Don’t believe me? Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg, formerly germanies minister of defense. Not anymore. Why? Because he didn’t credit his sources in doctoral thesis. When a journalist found this out, he lost his doctor title and his job.

Now this is just a game, but giving credit where credit’s due, is just decent human behaviour.

So now we’re comparing a Doctoral Thesis with a lore video? Ok, you’ve officially gone off the deep end.

zeromius.1604:

I think you’re being dishonest by saying that the weapon skins are pay only. You can purchase gems using gold from players that want to buy gold.

You’re right, it’s not pay cash ONLY.

Retro.6831:

The point of including the “0 Subscription Fees” was to end the “numerical theme” on a particularly strong note. It’s inclusion at the bottom was intended to drive home the point that “all of this new stuff was added for free”.

That part is a bit disingenuous in the light of the fact that all of the new armor sets & most of the new weapon skins are PAY ONLY.

Kirschwasser.3972:

… What’s wrong with feminist research, anyhow?

Quite a bit. Unless you are referring to a person researching feminism. If you want to get some glimpses into why it’s a problem I’d watch some girlwriteswhat & manwomanmyth on youtube.

Think I’ve seen like.. 2 people using the skins..

For the most part they are pretty fail… Of course.. The skins you don’t have to RNG your cash for… suck.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

KOPPER.1458:

did you watch the video budda? He said it wasn’t his theory near the beginning.

And where gives he credit to Konig? If you read my post I said, he never gives credit to the people who came up with the theories. I haven’t said he pretends it’s his idea. But what he does is almost as bad, since his “fans” think they are his theories, for the simple reason that he never tells them the people who actually crafted them.

Is anyone petty enough to think their “crafted” game plot “theories” are worthy of some kind of ownership? Or that anyone should care?

The point should be “ooo! lets talk about that idea!” not"this is MY idea. recognize ME!"

I mean I know a lot of gamers like to measure kittens, but this is getting ridiculous.

title says it all. please make it forgeable. we get so many of these & they one have a purpose 1 at a time.

gotkitten ed.5318:

They all have hidden cameras inside them!
The Queen wants to keep you all under surveillance.
Destroy them, destroy them all!

(but seriously, can we at least forge them then?)

for the love of god, please at least let us forge them…

The same mini for everyone. Of a boring character that has nothing to do with our characters or representing all of GW2. Probably not tradeable or forgeable. Right before they release the 2nd set of STORE BOUGHT minis. GG!

I don’t get anet some times.. they try to innovate on things. then they do something 7 years old, make it more generic & more boring. I’m honestly just confused.

Excalibur.9748:

i have an economics minor so I think I know what inflation is. the truth is…it’s already started :P and will only get worse

You have an economics minor & you’re calculating inflation based on 1 commodity? um…

Celestina.2894:

Excalibur.9748:

mtpelion.4562:

Inflation of 20-30% over the course of a week would have caused the game’s economy to collapse.

How did you arrive at that number?

the foods I eat are 20-30% more expensive.

…………

At times feel it should be illegal for people to use terms they don’t quite understand.

haha then most of the people who complain about game economies would be in jail.

It’s not so bad. She is the main person behind the Charr/human Peace which is really important.

It’s not as confusing as how they celebrate Jora with a multiple of statues for killing 1 Jormag minion in a group.

Asgeir, quite possibly, dealt the single most powerful blow against any Elder Dragon & they have one statue of him in the corner of Hoelbrak & NPCs mock him for only getting the tooth.

Galtrix.7369:

I don’t understand why Anet continues to say “Soon” when it comes to their new content. It over-hypes like you said and just makes players unhappy in general.

While that doesn’t bother me to the same extent & I think Anet did a good job of info control when they MADE the game, there are several things that have been on the “upcoming changes” list for more than 6 months. 6 months… that’s crazy.

milo.6942:

i really can’t be hyped any more. too many promises and not enough change. we’ll see what comes.

agreed. They still don’t understand over-hyping equals fail.

I’ll conceded to a “Things you’ve never seen in this game before.” if it’s something like mounts, new race, destructible environments, housing or Assassins Creed style climbing mechanics..

If it’s the introduction of the next dragon or something.. that’s.. just the next boss.. ok? New bosses are how MMOs go… and?

Mine is bugged as well.. It says “delete your old mail”
did that.. got new mail.. nothing.

bhagwad.4281:

The mere existence of players who got it in the first or second try does not negate the fact that there’s a connection.

I didn’t say there wasn’t a connection, I said there is no “direct causal link”. Having more money does not cause victory like buying a precursor. And if you can achieve victory the 1st time around then the CAUSE of victory is skill not money. Money makes up for failure.

Also funny to note that the tickets drop off mobs, chests, and you get 6 for free.

bhagwad.4281:

And like I said, this challenge is limited not just by aptitude but by how much gold you can pay out.

That is absolutely not true.. There is no direct causal link between the gold you pay in the tournament & winning. I’m sure there are some people good enough to get it on the 2nd & 1st try, just because they are better players.

I think we also need some perspective on things too. The way people talk about this it’s like they’ll never get to see their son again as he goes off to a Colombian prison.

Kal Spiro.9745:

If I don’t have to kill them, I don’t. I move on and leave them. I only fight where I am forced into the fight by the mob itself, or the system. Killing them isn’t the goal. Saving the princess is the goal, she’s the important object of worth.

HOW they are objectified does not matter.. should i say that in DoA Volleyball, since I can’t (because of game systems) play the character’s back story, it’s ok that she doesn’t have a personality? The problem is that you pick & choose where to use the word object. you have no consistent standard that you use. If the game system requires you to kill them- not objectified. If the game system requires you to save the princess- objectified.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Remember, you’re arguing that MEN are being objectified as mobs, not people in general.

WRONG. I said that the beings that you slaughter indiscriminately are MORE objectified than the princess at the end of X Mario-type game & if people really cared about universal objectification they’d stop freaking out about boobs & talk about murdering people. Incidentally, Mobs & movie kill-targets are almost universally males. Guild Wars is pretty much equal.

Kal Spiro.9745:

And they are not limited to males, therefore not valid in an argument objectifying men.

I thought I was supposed to be the one that didn’t get the definition… They aren’t being reduces to statues whose only purpose is to be oggled. They are active things trying to obstruct me way. They aren’t walking boobs, they’re walking weapons. They’re bodies aren’t relevant, it is what they can do that matters.

you don’t get it. You don’t get it at all. Again, you assume that objectification is all about boobs. That’s the biggest error you’re making. it’s why so few people make any consistent sense about this. Turning a person into a walking weapon IS TURNING THEM INTO A.. this is the great part because it’s actually an object: WEAPON. object; weapon. thing. no personality, no hopes, no dreams, no desires.

But again, you’re claiming objectification of Men. Not turtle monsters, or unimaginable tentacle horrors.

I’ll concede that I was making the assumption of humans or humanoid things, but Again, you put words in my mouth, and, are wrong. Not men, but all the people you slaughter in games. (even though the facts are that men are considered disposable in media, in war & in society in terms of injury & death. & for a very functional reason, but still in these terms “objectified”)

Kal Spiro.9745:

Infact, yes I do. Because it tells me a great deal about the person I just killed. But again, as I said, their lack of voice is a physical malady, not a perceived one. They don’t have a choice in the matter because they are not able to do more than that. That is why it’s not valid. For the same reason Autonomy isn’t valid. Now before you say it, the reason this doesn’t apply to heroins and princesses, is that they are expected to be more than that, and have a voice, so if they don’t it is because they weren’t deemed worthy, due to objectification.

wow, this is just fantasy front to back. You again, create a reason that the, say, separatists shouldn’t talk being some kinda of throat cancer or birth defect (maldy). then say that when it’s the princess (which almost always have something to say at the end) it’s because of some random objectified unworthiness cast upon her. this is insane, I mean the lengths you go to literally generate malice, ignorance or disrespect on the part of developers from nowhere is astounding. She is expected to more than that & have a voice? what? MARIO DOESN’T EVEN SAY ANYTHING. But the objectification only applies to her? Did he get some maldy from eating too much spaghetti? & if it applies to Mario, the Princess & the mobs… maybe it’s not objectification, or maybe it’s not a big deal. wow man.. ok.. I cant even.. wow.

At any rate, I don’t buy into this new fad of saying everything is objectified. I think they word has lost meaning. it basically a word used to create a quick, untestable, unquestioned moral high-ground. I have yet to see actual proof that this has negative effects on society.

kimeekat.2548:

DarksunG.9537:

kimeekat.2548:

However, I’d argue that what you’ve described is not objectification, it’s idealization, an argument that is presented in a more fun way here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectification-And-Men

This guys criticism is absolute bullox. If you want a look at objectification based on facts & a bit of research & not pop-culture-critic style commentary, watch some http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat

I have a Masters degree in English in which my emphases were feminist theory, play/game theory and science fiction, and as an undergrad I minored in anthropology. I assure you, I’m aware of actual academic arguments on the subject. I’d like to hear your opinion why his criticisms are “bullox” and what facts you feel are relevant.

Unless you give me specific theories that you think are worth buying in what you linked to, I would just point you to what I linked to or direct you to Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power.

Kal Spiro.9745:

So your feeling is that every single character, enemy or otherwise should be a fully fleshed out and realistic person. But you’re ok with the fact that the majority of female protagonists are none of these things? The characters that are actually relevant to the story?

My feeling is that you acted like you knew what objectification meant. you didn’t

Kal Spiro.9745:

So, the creatures, men or otherwise that I battle or murder in whatever form are not being objectified. They are, in fact, only being interacted with because I have no choice based on game mechanics.

that applies to all princess. Nice try on blaming it on mechanics in once place but not all.

Kal Spiro.9745:

They aren’t instrumental, they’re obstacles.

just like the princes & pretty much every female in games.

There is no such thing as Autonomy where a video game is concerned, therefore this isn’t a reasonable argument.

guess that doesn’t apply to the girls in games either

They’re never inert.

Oh no? there are plenty of games where killing an a completely non-acting emeies can be killed

Ownership doesn’t apply, being a minion isn’t the same as being a slave..

all minions of the Dragons are slaves. & they are slaves not worth saving.

Reduction to body isn’t applicable, it’s not their body nor their body parts that is of concern, it’s the obstruction those things cause.

Inn what way is it “not applicable”. Should I say it’s the not the body parts that is of concern it’s the gratification they cause? Honestly I don’t understand this definition very well, but I certainly disagree with your assertion that “’s the obstruction those things cause” that’s ridiculous. why not have a bunch of walls? it’s that killing a ‘living’ thing is more meaningful.

Kal Spiro.9745:

reduction to appearance doesn’t apply, because they can look like absolutely anything, it would not change matters.

I kind of agree with this, but very few high level mobs look mundane. the epicness is a cue to power.

Silencing is not relevant as it is a mechanic also. Some times they have things to say and sometimes they don’t, but if they don’t it isn’t because they’re treated like they don’t it’s because they physically so not have the capacity.

not true at all. it’s unrealistic to be in a game & shoot 50 people & have none of them crying in agony for hours. You think the “now i’ll never..” Is enough to non-objectify a person’s life? They make the deaths (and lives) quick most of the time because dealing with the “reality” of it is ridiculous in a game. it’s one of the essences of objectification, there is NOTHING to the enemies other than they are in the way & you have to kill them.

the whole “your argument is not valid” doesn’t hold up. you essentially said “these don’t count” with reasons that either apply to everything, or apply to games in general. And they CERTAINLY don’t apply to the princes model.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Ok… you need to go back and learn what objectify means, because you obviously have no idea.

was gonna say the same to you. According to feminists(which is EXTREMELY one sided, but for the sake of argument):

instrumentality: the treatment of a person as a tool for the objectifier’s purposes;
denial of autonomy: the treatment of a person as lacking in autonomy and self-determination;
inertness: the treatment of a person as lacking in agency, and perhaps also in activity;
fungibility: the treatment of a person as interchangeable with other objects;
violability: the treatment of a person as lacking in boundary-integrity;
ownership: the treatment of a person as something that is owned by another (can be bought or sold);
denial of subjectivity: the treatment of a person as something whose experiences and feelings (if any) need not be taken into account.

Rae Langton (2009, 228–229) has added three more features to Nussbaum’s list:

reduction to body: the treatment of a person as identified with their body, or body parts;
reduction to appearance: the treatment of a person primarily in terms of how they look, or how they appear to the senses;
silencing: the treatment of a person as if they are silent, lacking the capacity to speak.

So that applies to enemies you slaughter more than to the princess. please learn your definitions before you attack someone.

Kal Spiro.9745:

DarksunG.9537:

kimeekat.2548:

However, I’d argue that what you’ve described is not objectification, it’s idealization, an argument that is presented in a more fun way here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectification-And-Men

This guys criticism is absolute bullox. He purposefully over exaggerates the positive qualities of men & games & under exaggerates the flattening of male "characters"especially when it comes to the disposeability of men (how many games do you kill huge number of women & are huge numbers of women EXPECTED to die?)
& then says women are “things” men want, when pretty even “save the princess” stories are based around characters that actually care about women. He treats all games as Duke Nukem & AoD Beach volleyball. It’s an old smoke screen but it doesn’t hold up to real factual scrutiny. He uses labels to, ironically, create the same argument he rallies against “it sounds good to say, but it’s not true.”

I think the label of objectification doesn’t hold up to most modern uses. we toss it around to everything we find offensive. I might like my female Norn to have a metal bikini, but that does NOT make her less of a character than when I put plate armor on her, & it doesn’t make my male characters have any more character than her

Wow… you actually just used Damsel in Distress game devices to argue that women are NOT the goal that men are attempting to acquire? How did that even happen?

I have never felt objectified as a man playing a strong character able to slaughter hundreds of my foes without any concern for my well being. Because that is an ideal. I don’t think many women have ever said the same thing about being a helpless princess who is easily and constantly captured by the same gross guy waiting to be rescued by some guy who she’s not actually even in a relationship with, he’s just around a lot.

1: You play Mario to save the princess? no you don’t.. you play it to win. The princess is a cute little story. that’s like saying you play Mario because you aspire to be an Italian plumber… this “prince is an object” stuff is laughable.
2:

able to slaughter hundreds of my foes

that is closer to objectification. saying the people you kill are obstacles in the way to freeing the princess who is, for some reason, more important then they are. (if you really buy the idea that the story is SOOO important & objectifying)

kimeekat.2548:

However, I’d argue that what you’ve described is not objectification, it’s idealization, an argument that is presented in a more fun way here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectification-And-Men

This guys criticism is absolute bullox. If you want a look at objectification based on facts & a bit of research & not pop-culture-critic style commentary, watch some http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat

bhagwad.4281:

I’ll agree when Anet brings out nude models of men with pricks. But I’m guessing they won’t do that. Hmm….I wonder why.

Try apples & apples: When it comes to depicting men as confident, tough, successful, mysterious & strong, that objectification is rampant. Doesn’t make it instantly evil.

I didn’t say it was harmful, I said that it isn’t healthy, as in: It’s not healthy to the medium as a whole. It makes computer games look bad, especially to female gamers (but also to male gamers).

Not healthy, as in: neither here nor there? ok.. then why have any response whatsoever? That doesn’t really make sense. Neutral is the essence of unremarkable. From everything else you said it sound like you meant it as detrimental. As for making them look bad, that’s a matter of opinion unless it’s doing damage

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Shiren.9532:

The audience of the game isn’t you and your personal tastes. Some people might like to see something sexualised. Judging from all the human females running around in skimpy armour I’d say a large number of players care a great deal about that. Are they all people who should grow up because they want something from their fantasy MMO that’s different to what you want?

I don’t think the number of players running around in skimpy outfits, is a good excuse to justify objectification of women in games as a whole. MMO’s especially have a tendency for immature designs, that over-sexualize women. I personally don’t think that’s tasteful, or healthy.

Except there is no factual evidence that this is harmful at all. If it were, people would have equal reaction to ALL the “objectification” in games. It’s really about what you don’t like & other people are ok with. People call it immature because it makes them sound right.

I agree with the person who made this thread. I was actually offended by their design when I first saw them, being a female myself. The reason: Why do they have high heels and huge breasts? The breasts of these “warriors” are function-less, just filled with gears.

Why is the David, the Thinker & Allegory of Sculpture naked? it’s art. you didn’t ask why it has a face or a hat. how are breast any less functional? For all intents & purposes it should be like a Golem.

This is a huge fuss about nothing.

ezd.6359:

I have better question. Why so many types of containers?

And no, i can’t place those 3 jugs of liquid karma to that big pile.

Yeah, this is idiotic. you only need 3: Big, Med, Small.

if they had 6 it would be stupid… but 15+? that’s not even laughable any more.

wow, this sounds stupid… Seriously? It is getting old to have all the “challenge” be NPCs that essentially break all the normal rules of combat. Moves that do insane amounts of damage, insta-casts, huge health pools, immunity to CC..

i mean.. what’s the point of all these abilities we have when the Boss design essentially revolves around different ways of nullifying our abilities?

Araziel.7201:

So, would you rather have nothing? Some of them look really nice.

I’d rather have more NEW weapons than the Ellen Kiel banners littered around LA. probably the same amount of time to make a few weapons as to set all that up.
It’s not a question of something & nothing, it’s a mater of one thing or another.

Unfortunately the new FULL set looks pretty bad.

there are a few cool ones.. disappointed with the number of reskins..