Guild Wars 2

RodOfDeath.5247:

Makes me happy I’m on FA partnered up with DB

FTFY

CrimeMaker.8612:

Right now the problem is that anet is working on fixing ppt system which shouldn’t be their first goal. Should it be a goal? Yes but it should be long term goal. Changing ppt system isn’t going to bring all the experienced players and Guilda that have quit the game. Major priority for arena net should be is bring people into WvW. The thing that can really help is short quarterly WvW season with op rewards and create new trailer just for WvW and advertise it showing everything you could do in WvW. I also they should just do kaboom and spread everyone out. Yes people will moan and kitten but hey give those people one or two free transfers and the only transfer they will be allowed to use just to get on the same server as their guild/friends/family or just faction this kitten.

Absolutely not! The amount of OT required for a 12 week season would burn out the last cares anyone has for WvW.

GvG was never meant to be a “thing” in WvW. WvW is still a mode designed around the War Score and PPT’ing. The Dev’s made the arena in OS which is really nice in size at about 4k units across. Then they made the Guild Hall Arenas too! Though admittedly, at under 3k units, it’s just not big enough for GvG. The south of a BL by the windmill where GvG’s were held is about 3,600 units long and about 1,200 units wide in comparison.

wait… my post on here was not about basing it on Rank like the OP but, on a Reward track. That way players have to have present experience in WvW.

forums bug … eeeeekk!!!!!

Choppy.4183:

Nokaru.7831:

I think what you want is more of this: Gerrymandering.

Pretty much, yeah. Watching all the contortions to justify excluding people from having a say is disheartening for sure.

No, we’re talking about ensuring 1 man, 1 vote. Also, to ensure players are informed voters by having some experience in WvW.

Skynet.7201:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

One hour a week???!!! O.O

Probably just folks grabbing easy WvW dailies and then using us for gathering the synthesizers

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

EXCEPT, it was put on Reddit near instantly. Completely subverting any chance of the results not being skewed. Also, as been mentioned in other threads, the opinion of voters was swayed heavily on the dev threatening no future maps will be considered unless the DBL was kept. Anet politics smh….

OP, my suggestion for this was to use the Reward track system. That a player had to earn the right to vote by completing a Reward track. A reward track takes about 9-10 hours to complete. So if they wanted to make an abbreviated one, that would work too. This way it would enforce that players have at least some current form of WvW experience. It would also slow down and/or prevent players with multiple accounts from stuffing the polls. Seems like the best option presently.

jul.7602:

Not kidding, could Blackgate and Erredon Terrace actually beat

Dragonbrand & Sanctum of Rall
Jade Quarry & Isle of Janthir
Fort Aspenwood & Borlis Pass
Maguuma & Devona’s Rest
Sea of Sorrows & G. of Madness
Stormbluff Isle & Crystal Desert
Henge of Denravi & Ehmry Bay
N. Shiverpeaks & Sorrow’s Furn.
Darkhaven & Ferguson’s Cross.

Combined?

JQ + Mag > BG,. no question about it.
Put JQ + DB + MAG = WvW implosion. May in fact warp space time and delete the universe as well.

briggah.7910:

yea roaming is pretty bad nowadays. any fight i win it is because my build is cheese and any fight i lose is because my enemies build is cheesier than mine.

You mean condi shatter or condi shatter with a condi built ally? Since the cheesiest game play is to call in several allies for help. I was literally 12-15 v’d earlier today by DB because I wrecked 5 or 6 solo roamers who tried to take SEC and SET from me Just sad, very sad

EremiteAngel.9765:

T1 is the place to be.
Most of the skilled fighters are in Blackgate.
If you want to roam with skilled fighters, join Blackgate.
If you want to fight against skilled fighters, join Tarnished Coast.

You can join their partner servers like Kaineng or Anvil Rock or Eredon Terrace to enter T1 since BG and TC are probably full.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF4_1fYhPGs

Ok, if so then the OP or anyone else in game looking for fights should join any other T1 World. Since BG is where the bags, I mean competition, will be found.

scerevisiae.1972:

I really hate DBL but I voted to keep it for the sole reason that the wording strongly implied that no further BLs would be created if DBL were ditched. I suspect a large segment of the keep-DBL vote feels the same way.

This I find to be incredibly sad end to this.

Sweet Sanity.8593:

If people would stop stacking higher tier servers because they win more we wouldn’t be in this mess at all

Or, the people that wanted large scale combat and enjoy PPT’ing to win moved up to T1. Then the players that wanted large scale combat and didn’t care about PPT or winning went to T2, the fight tier. Those that didn’t care about either never moved around much at all.

Keeping players of like mindsets together is a great idea. Forcing dissimilar point of view together only causes them to clash, to create friction, and general anger while playing.

First thing they’d need to do is reskin it to something other than a Desert.

shrek.1046:

DeWolfe.2174:

shrek.1046:

DeWolfe.2174:

Hexinx.1872:

Getting rid of a map completely would inevitably lead to never getting another map again. At least having it on 1 BL … would give some hope for the future of WvW …

As a business, they have to innovate or lose. A better way of thinking about is to imagine the Dev’s saying, “Wow, they really did dislike that map. Better make another one fast before they jump ship.”

Except they have made it clear that a new map is off the table if they get rid of the DBL.

Link Please? I’d be surprised someone from Anet marketing would say that as it would have to be one of the poorest responses to a Customer Satisfaction complaint I’ve ever heard of.

It was in the poll on mixed BL maps. Its not certain but there was a clear implication.

So basically your saying the WvW team twisted everyone’s arm with an idle threat that they better vote to keep the DBl or they’ll never make another map again? Seriously? Why isn’t there an uproar over that then? Ya’ll just stood there and took that?

Malediktus.9250:

Dont make me laugh. There is nothing comparable in difficulty to raids in GW2

LOFL… if you think fighting NPC’s is more challenging than fighting other players. And “raiders” think we’re the ones with the attitude problem and are “entitled”???

I’m going to enlightened some of you by saying that not everyone cares about vanity. I want the Legendary Armor only for it’s stats and the capacity to swap them. Everything about it for me is function over form. Just like I have “the Ascension” and never have the back piece visible. I couldn’t care less about the skin or if you know that I PvP’d or not, I want the function of it, period.

Powerfat.7294:

Maybe just set up the dbl’s like eotm, except week long, and rewards given based on your colours placement as long as you participated, like they were for the wvw tournaments?
This would allow improvement to be worked on while keeping the hardcore wvwer’s happy since they wont have to play on it. While still giving incentive for people to go there and giving a better chance of getting numbers onto the maps.

Set up a DBL as a PvE map with dueling and it won’t count toward the war score, fine great do that please!!!!

Jong.5937:

conducted a proper poll.

I doubt that it was.

NathanH.1465:

• If it’s unchanged —> rotate it with EoTM

EotM stays as is with no changes. Don’t fix what isn’t broken. Dev’s need to focus on what is broken first.

OriOri.8724:

What? Silenced? You were the group silencing the majority. At some point you guys will have to grow up and realize that you are in the minority, and the poll is now proof of that.

That’s still bunk as where were the actual “PLAYERS” on these maps then? Have a reward track were you have to earn the right to vote on the poll and the results would be different. Have a Dev come out and say, “Hey, if you really don’t like the Desert map, let us know by voting to delete it and we’ll make another map for you.” then see how much the poll differs. Fear and guilt swayed this far more than players actually “liking” the map or planning to use it.

shrek.1046:

DeWolfe.2174:

Hexinx.1872:

Getting rid of a map completely would inevitably lead to never getting another map again. At least having it on 1 BL … would give some hope for the future of WvW …

As a business, they have to innovate or lose. A better way of thinking about is to imagine the Dev’s saying, “Wow, they really did dislike that map. Better make another one fast before they jump ship.”

Except they have made it clear that a new map is off the table if they get rid of the DBL.

Link Please? I’d be surprised someone from Anet marketing would say that as it would have to be one of the poorest responses to a Customer Satisfaction complaint I’ve ever heard of.

Hexinx.1872:

Getting rid of a map completely would inevitably lead to never getting another map again. At least having it on 1 BL … would give some hope for the future of WvW …

As a business, they have to innovate or lose. A better way of thinking about is to imagine the Dev’s saying, “Wow, they really did dislike that map. Better make another one fast before they jump ship.” Instead, they’ll now meander about and putz with the DBL before every getting started on a new map.

The worse reason I’ve read for voting to keep the DBL is out of guilt. That the poor Dev’s spent time on it and we have to accept it. Umm no, no we don’t.

Xenesis.6389:

Also I think you know who to thank for breaking the T1 ceiling, their stacking and restacking broke servers.

I do and I dislike that some Dev’s bought into that person’s warped thinking.

CrimeMaker.8612:

DeWolfe.2174:

I can’t believe I’m reading this OP. You’re basically asking for an entirely new map. It would take 6+ months for what you’re asking, minimum! And, the Desert skin is a huge turn off itself.

Also, how about that WvW is supposed to be a Competitive RvR game mode??? They should leave T1-2 with 3 Alpines and EBG, then let the other Tiers have whatever they want then. Because it becoming extremely obvious people have lost focus on WvW being built as a competitive RvR platform. You can’t have balance thru dissimilarity. smfh

What part of T1-2 do you think is “competitive”? GvG scene is currently dead but thats a whole different discussion. WvW doesnt only exist in T1-2. If changes are going it should happen to all or none at all and please changing the layout of the map shouldnt take more than a month and few mechanics.

Xenesis.6389:

Competitive lol.

Hi, my blob is bigger than your blob, we win!

Population and coverage are not even close for every server, how can wvw even be competitive. Only thing remotely close to competition is GvG, and that’s pretty dead now.

You only play every week to determine the next random matchup, except T4, they get to play by themselves.

This is why WvW is going to heck. You’re just using the maps as a pseudo PvE zone with dueling. This is why breaking the T1 wall was a terrible idea. Why trying to force the population out is another truly horrid idea. The Tiers had meaning and they should have meaning based on the players preferred play style. Many in T1 “stacked” because they wanted Large Scale Combat and to play for first. Building an Army and Team was baked into the game mode as a core concept. That’s what a War simulation should be like.

I’m not one to toss the “Care Bear” term around but, after reading the forums this week, Wow does it apply.

I can’t believe I’m reading this OP. You’re basically asking for an entirely new map. It would take 6+ months for what you’re asking, minimum! And, the Desert skin is a huge turn off itself.

Also, how about that WvW is supposed to be a Competitive RvR game mode??? They should leave T1-2 with 3 Alpines and EBG, then let the other Tiers have whatever they want then. Because it becoming extremely obvious people have lost focus on WvW being built as a competitive RvR platform. You can’t have balance thru dissimilarity. smfh

Teon.5168:

Raf.1078:

Teon.5168:

Vova.2640:

Hopefully never…

Guess you didn’t see the poll…..

Guess you never saw the empty desert BL’s and EBG queued to the gills before?

Lol. Man, you guys are really sore about getting stomped in the poll, huh?

When the population continues to crumble even further and we end up with just 3 NA tiers if not only 2, then what poll are you going to have to fix that?

Hi Andrew McLeod, WvW player here, so why were we left out of being able to get Legendary Armor? I mean seriously, you’re gating it behind the Raid????

smh

Depraved Ambience.7942:

What I don’t get is, for all these players who are hating on the desert borderlands, since it looks like you will be “stuck” with it and you know that ANet is going to release another, amended poll on mixed vs. rotational borderlands, why you don’t just campaign for and vote for mixed borderlands? Then you will always have your alpine maps to play on, and those who like and enjoy and want to play on desert borderlands can do so also.

I mean, if you were to vote for mixed borderlands, then you won’t be “stuck” playing anything…

At this point, kinda just done with it. Organized and competitive WvW is coming to an end and it’s just that simple. WvW Veterans thinking we could stop the conversion toward mode irrelevance was our mistake.

TorquedSoul.8097:

DeWolfe.2174:

TorquedSoul.8097:

What do you think would happen if Anet decided to make an EBG desert map (with all the same objectives that are currently on EBG) and made all of the borderlands alpine maps?

Do you think that EBG would no longer get queued?

Yes, I believe the EBG population would decline. A Desert theme is not the best design theme especially for long term play. The only reason why PvE zones like the Silverwaste or Cursed Shore gets frequented is because of the loot available. Put equal wealth potential in all the zones and I believe Queensdale, Kessex Hills, Wayfarer Foothills, and some parts of Lornar’s Pass and Timberline Fall’s, would be the most frequented area’s of the game.

Daniel Dociu artistic style and taste are too dour for the mainstream. I believe the game has always suffered in becoming more because of this.

I always thought the art in this game was one of its high points. I certainly wouldn’t call the art too dour for mainstream.

I’ve been trying to promote a lighter and more fantasy design in the game since launch. Here’s a question, if a Desert theme is whats mainstream, why aren’t we all living there? If just as a design theme alone, why aren’t our homes decorated and our properties landscaped to look like a desert? It’s not because it’s not a desirable theme. I’ll make a movie analogy that GW2 art is as dour as BvS was as a movie. For recent games, look at the cinematic trailers for Overwatch, especially the one with Winston.

TorquedSoul.8097:

zhonnika.1784:

We won’t be silenced permanently. Sorry to burst your bubble there, sir. I’ll rail against these maps for as long as I play this game. As for PvE-ers knowing better how to design and run a map than people who play WvW….. um, what? I mean, I’ve heard some stupid garbage here before, but that really tops it.

How, really… how do you explain the resurgence in population in WvW with ABL coming back? It wasn’t reward tracks. It wasn’t world linking. It was the return of a map that makes sense for WvW. If we have to have this fetid dusty crap back, I only hope it remains to one map…. so that I never have to go there.

The activity spike happened directly after the implementation of wvw rewards and world linking.

Since ABL was re-implemented, activity has actually been dropping.

Sorry. ABL is not the reason activity spiked. If anything it is the reason the spike died.

False conclusion….. better yet, faux conclusion. The spike was simply from how massive the April 19th Spring Quarterly update was. It’s a quarterly update, of course players were logging back in to check it out. Apline Borderlands was introduce two weeks later. Two weeks is more than enough time for the buzz to started wearing off.

TorquedSoul.8097:

What do you think would happen if Anet decided to make an EBG desert map (with all the same objectives that are currently on EBG) and made all of the borderlands alpine maps?

Do you think that EBG would no longer get queued?

Yes, I believe the EBG population would decline. A Desert theme is not the best design theme especially for long term play. The only reason why PvE zones like the Silverwaste or Cursed Shore gets frequented is because of the loot available. Put equal wealth potential in all the zones and I believe Queensdale, Kessex Hills, Wayfarer Foothills, and some parts of Lornar’s Pass and Timberline Fall’s, would be the most frequented area’s of the game.

Daniel Dociu artistic style and taste are too dour for the mainstream. I believe the game has always suffered in becoming more because of this.

Wait, so where the heck is the logic in this request OP. You want to take the most popular map and replace it with the most controversial and divisive one??? That has to be one of the worst idea’s I’ve read in a long time.

I’ve burned up too many keyboards to ever spend a lot on one again. I go to Micro Center and buy the absolute cheapest Inland branded keyboard I can get for usually $4 bucks. It’s a toss away at such a bargain. I can buy 20-40 of them for the price of one of the “gamer” keyboards.

Don’t be afraid to give the USB cord some mechanical reinforcing at the ends to prevent kinks and internal breaking.

I’ve just shown you a screen cap prior to any changes. Thus, there are no statements, nor links, nor anything else required on the subject. I said we were “High” before any changes were made and you disagreed. Others replied to you saying that we were in fact “high” before the linking, you disagreed with them too. Thus, the screen cap ends the conversation on the matter.

Back to the topic of opening Worlds so Guilds can be united once more.

SkyShroud.2865:

shrek.1046:

SkyShroud.2865:

shrek.1046:

SkyShroud.2865:

morrolan.9608:

SkyShroud.2865:

Your eyes must have stamp, JQ was very high during last week, I also never once seen JQ drop to high.

Thats very high after they lowered the cap with the linkages. The week before the linkage JQ slipped to high.

That’s good to hear but now they are very high last week which means they must have a lot of dormant populations.

Also, I doubt they dropped the cap since the cap seems universal than individual server, because there were a lot of medium servers last week. Some of which were high before the link and now medium.

They stated they lowered the cap JQ was at high under normal cap then very high last week under lowered cap.

Source?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Linking-Beta/first#post6113231

DeWolfe.2174:

Skyshroud, now that you’ve been thoroughly enlightened by others, are you willing to say that your beliefs were mistaken?

This thread is still about locking the worlds without any notification. Guilds are now fragmented and broken as they were transferring across many Worlds. That is not good at all for the game. Dev’s need to open the Worlds again for one week. This time say there’s a time limit! Many felt they had until the next linking since there’s little chance of any NA World can ever hit “Full” again outside of BG and TC.

btw… where’s Tyler with his “Follow your heart” with a wink as he said on Reddit in replying to the TC stacking after the leak?

Vague quoting, let me quote a proper one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4jrliv/game_update_notes_may_17_2016/d39l3do

In the following quote, it was already mentioned, population is halved across board. So, stop coming up with the nonsense that the population is reduced to make it look like JQ was originally “High” and become “Very High” due to it. I even mentioned before that previous “High” server are now “Medium”, your nonsense of population cap is reduced is contradictory to those servers that went from “High” to “Medium”.

Furthermore, this halved cap itself is sufficient to explain why so many servers, including those that were “Medium” becoming full.

Again, JQ has a large dormant population, accurately speaking, a large casual populations.

I’m just going to chuck and post this for you…..
This was Wednesday April 20th a little after 10am EST. That is two day’s prior to any changes that took place for the linking. And, without question, the Population Algorithm was not accurately reading our true drop in population from the mass exodus the week prior due to it having a delay.

SkyShroud.2865:

Your eyes must have stamp, JQ was very high during last week, I also never once seen JQ drop to high.

I wrote in another thread that there should be a Reward Track for each poll we’re voting on. That you have to finish a certain amount of time in WvW before voting on each poll. That at least assures a player has some experience in WvW to formulate an opinion before voting.

Xenesis.6389:

wall of text above

Some of us still like to win each week FYI. In having dissimilar maps, doing so would completely toss match balance out the window. If they brought DBL back as one map, the World with it as Home BL would have an advantage. If they brought it back as all three BL’s on a rotation, then players would stack Eb or not even play. So I do not see a way in which the DBL does not hurt the mode in any potential scenario.

atheria.2837:

Because guilds were leaving FA and JQ to stack BG and TC (and I am sure more going on behind the scenes) the servers were locked.

Wait what? I think you might have missed that all but, BG and TC opened last week finally. This thread is pertaining to the Dev’s abruptly closing those other World again.

Xenesis.6389:

It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Sure, let’s just give the Dev’s a chance because they can fix it, right? Because they said there going to do X,Y, and Z to it right? Oh wait, they didn’t say they’d fix it further. Even if you finally convinced them changes were needed, how many months or years will go by with us being stuck with it as is? It took 6 months for them to acknowledge that it even needed anything. Voting on something with hoped of future “maybe’s” is a bad concept.

Crise.9401:

The poll is worded just fine… in case you haven’t realized the order of the options (sans don’t count my vote) on the page is random every time the poll is loaded.

If that’s still the case then I’ll assume I’ve had a terribly bad run of RNG then. Thank you for letting us know because I’ve had no other page loading, even from another account and web browser, than “No” being the top option.

briggah.7910:

DeWolfe.2174:

briggah.7910:

ImperialWL.7138:

Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

matches are decided over the first day.. no need to play an entire week.

That’s the PvE attitude we don’t need voting on the topic. The rest of us playing all week are going to be stuck with that crud map every day.

i forgot you can’t be sarcastic over the internet with out adding /sarcasm or kappa at the end

Sorry, I’ve seen you posting on here for a long time and thought you went casual on us.

Xenesis.6389:

ImperialWL.7138:

Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Skyshroud, now that you’ve been thoroughly enlightened by others, are you willing to say that your beliefs were mistaken?

This thread is still about locking the worlds without any notification. Guilds are now fragmented and broken as they were transferring across many Worlds. That is not good at all for the game. Dev’s need to open the Worlds again for one week. This time say there’s a time limit! Many felt they had until the next linking since there’s little chance of any NA World can ever hit “Full” again outside of BG and TC.

btw… where’s Tyler with his “Follow your heart” with a wink as he said on Reddit in replying to the TC stacking after the leak?

azyume.6321:

Desert borderland isn’t too bad and I don’t think they should scrap it. However, I do think they need to keep working on it, making more user friendly, remove all the rest of the gimmicks like the temples, stealth, cannons etc, do something about north towers to make them more strategic.

But, you are voting on keeping it as it is with no alterations!!!!!! The Dev’s have not said anything about altering DBL as you describe. Maybe there should be a poll and not let DBL return until it’s alterations are approved within a public test server.

Silverkey.2078:

I am not a hardcore WvW player, so my opinion may not be representative

I’m glad you pointed this out. That’s the issue with this is that anyone can vote. So a player that doesn’t even WvW at all or maybe WvW’s a couple hours a week get’s to force those of us that WvW 30+ hours a week to play the DBL. In small doses maybe that map is ok but, after many hours it sucks the life out of you. Now winning is going to be about who can endure that map the longest.

For having variety, functionally dissimilar maps are simply going to wreck match balancing. Again, if you don’t care about such things as winning each week, I can see why a player wouldn’t care about having balance.

Might as well remove the score….

briggah.7910:

ImperialWL.7138:

Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

matches are decided over the first day.. no need to play an entire week.

That’s the PvE attitude we don’t need voting on the topic. The rest of us playing all week are going to be stuck with that crud map every day.

SkyShroud.2865:

T1 and T2 need to be destacked

Are you kidding me? Seriously, I know BG and TC are stacked but, JQ was only at High before the linking and another whole Guild on JQ left the game since then. Then you have the loses from Overwatch too. If anything it’s time to lose another Tier….

Jim Hunter.6821:

Originally I really did think this was a stupid change…… but all these salty pve player tears are making it so worth it.

After thousands of hours of WvW, I earned many “Gifts of Battle”. Removing what I already earned is the larger issue. The reward track is fine. The issue is the vendor needs to be returned.

Many us already earned the “Gift of Battle”. After thousands of hours in WvW, I know I certainly have. You Anet should not remove my ability to claim my rewards without prior notification. My rewards should be Grandfathered in and as such the vendor should be returned as soon as the next patch comes out. For the reward track, that’s fine to leave it in going forward.

forum bug… I dislike you

Jayne.9251:

KhainPride.3987:

In all fairness, we should have gotten a warning.

Please just make the status as it was before and give us a period of when the servers will be locked up.

Thank you

As heard in Orr: EVERYONE COME!

Why would they announce it when players in gw2 have been known to A: stack servers and B: game the system.

The whole purpose of the linking is the opposite desire.

No, it’s just your constant rant against the wishes of the players. Anet will lose big if they go against what the players naturally want to do. Which is primarily play where they want to play.