Guild Wars 2

I like “Come at Me!” A lot more. The original was quite a mouthful. I doubt redirecting aggro/taunting would ever be implemented as it would open up one helluva kittenstorm. For its purpose the shout could easily be replaced with a lengthy pull and follow up immobilise, but it was nice to see what others thought of it :]

Eeep I have this combo too. It’s my OH HELL YOU HIT HARD weapon swap as I don’t want to cowardly withdraw to ranged. Note don’t use an on swap sigil on the mace, the 9 second CD will waste valuable healing.

I would love to “bolster” my banner in the F1 slot as I don’t use it.

Using healing shouts/banners and using them respectively as utilities is about as support as you can get. Whilst I myself haven’t used the warhorn yet I’ve heard nothing but good things on group condition reversal.

This build will work, but nowhere near effectively as it could. Deep strikes is a waste and the signets are tying down your utility slots. With full zerker and constant fury you should be critical hitting on all hits as it is, that tiny boost of precision is unnecessary. Shouts and banners will beat signets everytime, from solo play to team play.

Depends on your build. A tankier build will make better use of regen, a squishy will benefit more from burst healing.

I like the ideas, but I think you’ll find other classes whining about how OP it is. With an AoE knockback, and even leaving Vengeance where it is for CD. Basically if you manage to down a warrior, they are GUARANTEED to get get back up, instantly healing to half health. In a close battle this is the tide turner, as most warriors are burst build this gives them the chance to burst yet again. IMO… It’d be overpowered.

Sarrs.4831:

Dolan.3071:

It isn’t made for “tanking” per say. More a temporary distraction to protect weaker/downed teammates. It only lasts 5 seconds so its not like it can be used to designate yourself as the tank, perhaps up the CD to 45-60 seconds to avoid it being used as such?

There’s already a shout you can use to protect downed teammates from enemies. It’s called “Fear Me!”.

Fear lasts 2 seconds at most despite what the tooltip says. And as they’re usually suffering from cripple/chill due to SOMEONE they rarely get far away and then continue aggroing that person.

It isn’t made for “tanking” per say. More a temporary distraction to protect weaker/downed teammates. It only lasts 5 seconds so its not like it can be used to designate yourself as the tank, perhaps up the CD to 45-60 seconds to avoid it being used as such?

Also I’m aware all the Zerker warriors who monotonously farm COF 1 aren’t going to have any need for this, but as a balanced warrior I would gladly hold aggro if it meant saving someone from being defeated.

Full knights is wasted precision and not enough power IMO. Warriors have easy access to constant fury/banner of discipline/+x% crit chance depending adrenalin level from discipline tier 1 trait. Combine it with precision food/nourishment hell maybe even sigils/runes. Warrior isn’t big on the defensive skills so you’ve gotta make it up with stats. For example I have full PVT armour and zerker everything else, I critical on every hit with just above 50% crit damage, maintaining 25 stacks of might with the chunkiness and self healing to face roll all but the toughest of opponents.

The duration is fine as its more of an “up you get” type of skill. What it does need is a CD reduction, in generality all skills should be ready to use by your next conflict, whereas with Warbanner after you use it once your elite skill is pretty much out of action for the next half of the dungeon. I know I’m exaggerating but that CD is stupidly long….

Effect: Draws aggro from all nearby mobs already engaged in combat/or perhaps just the targeted enemy.
Effect Duration: 5 seconds
Range: 600
CD: 30 seconds

I suppose it could work for a Guardian too, though they can already pull all nearby mobs to them selves.
This sort of skill would be rendered useless in PvP/WvW to a lesser extent
It would be the opposite effect of fear, as switching aggro shouldn’t be something that stacks of defiant can stop.
This would be a lifesaver when trying to res a downed player that is maintaining boss aggro, as well as situations where the boss targets a squishy ranged member who proceeds to run idiotically in circles, effectively crippling any sort of melee confrontation from other players.
After the 5 seconds is up the target either continues to aggro the warrior, or return to its original target (all depending on its original aggro dynamics.)

Thoughts?

FPS and lag are two completely different things. One is your crappy computer and the other is crappy Internet, though I’m more inclined to believe its server related as its only in certain areas.

I’m pretty sure Sorrow’s Embrace has it available, and path 1 and 3 are very easy to do. Whilst it isn’t popular at the moment it does take a while to find a group. However I think as more and more people grow tired of AC, SE will take its place.

This happened in explorable. A level 27 joined and I whispered him if he had alt he could use as the minimum was 35. We’re nearly at the queen spider and he’s still on the 27. In party chat I asked if he would mind changing to a higher levelled character. He replied that you don’t need to be, it’s just a recommendation. Now as he was one hitted by the traps on the way to the queen it was evident he was also a complete and utter nub, so I kicked him, and it was quickly seconded. Don’t waste your time with people like this, they’re soon to be elitists that need to know this kitten isn’t acceptable.

Is that the one where he shoots a cone of AoEs? That has always been instant, but as its already been said just stack on top of him and you needn’t worry. Also if that one hit KO’s you then take your zerker elsewhere.

I do enjoy it, but honestly it’s on par with CoE for difficulty, one false move and bam, it’s all over. I main a balanced warrior and it isn’t uncommon for half my health to get wiped in one attack, this would straight up kill a lvl 35 even if they went full Vit/Tough. I get it that the idea is to DODGE but I mean, unless you plan on sitting at range for every encounter, you need to be able to take a hit here and there.

I find that COF is almost guaranteed to be a lagfest, perhaps it’s something to do with the popularity of the dungeon/peak time? I really don’t know, but am quite interested in an answer.

I was quite upset that blocking didnt work, as Grast as per usual was taking his sweet kitten time putting that shield up. Also what the hell is up with The Ghost Eater’s ranged claw attack? I’m lvl 80 clad in exotics with a bit of PVT and one hit from that is devastating. Even worse if he’s actually targeting me and proceeds to throw 5 more in the next 10 seconds, already out of dodge trying leg it from that INCREDIBLY HIGH DPS ice field. Granted I’ve only done it a few times but if he stays on me I am GOING to die. Mind you it’s only in the final stages of his health, he seems to greatly pick up his attack frequency.

Quam.7218:

Indeed the biggest advantage it the HP of bosses they are challenging, but they don’t have such insane health pools like those on HoTW for example… really like that change.

Same goes for trash. It’s challenging but does not boring with their current HP pools.

Like the new Spider and Kholer, well done I like fighting them, and I see pugs doing them as well!

One thing I dislike is the knockdown/knockback almost every mob has… not fun to be on 12+ second knockdown on Howling King without any possibility to get up while all utility on cooldown (all 3 stunbreakers). You lay down and wait for your death for even 10-15 seconds while can’t do NOTHING but watch… it’s not fun, it’s annoying.

Also Last boss on p3 is annoying as hell he knockbacks melee with every hit – why ? It’s a hidden message – don’t go melee if You are not spec’d very bunker-like – it’s not fun it’s annoying I get up, get hit, fly, lay down, get up, get hit, fly… while the ranged part of my party is having a blast fun time! And I’m the pushing bag while they have all the fun

LF1M Pushover full Power/Toughness/Vit for the boss to play with while we take all the fun and kill it!

Stability is your friend. Though I suppose that’s easy for me as I main a warrior.

NO. It is completely unfair to the casual gamer. I don’t sit around playing all day everyday and it is completely unreasonable to expect people like myself to be able to do this dungeon sub level 80 without full exotics/ascended gear. Especially now that I can’t WP rush either! Most of us don’t have time to sit around discussing utilities and tactics, and Anet really needs to pull their finger out and cater to us, like some easier version of dungeons that can be solo’d.
By the way, what’s this “H” button everyone keeps talking about?

(I know I stole that but hey, I like it! )

Heinel.6548:

I just bought the new rings with pristine relics. They cannot be infused in the forge.

To say I’m disappointed is an understatement.

It’s like Anet is intentionally screwing with us by introducing more and more slots without fixing the ones we already have. The treadmill is definitely taking its toll on me.

Wait what? If you buy them with pristine relics you can’t infuse? But with laurels you can? Please clarify.

Guardian is something you take when you haven’t done the dungeon before, that extra bit of support can be a lifesaver. However once you’ve started learning it/it’s a very easy dungeon (CoF p1 for instance) then warrior all the way, it’s superior DPS hitting right where you need it can make certain events much easier now that you know what to do.

A good way to get a feel for a class is to take it to PvP, where you are instantly lvl 80 with all skills and trait points unlocked.

As you’ve picked weaker armoured professions you will find that most of your levelling will be kiting/trying to mitigate every single hit.

You are right in saying that there is no specified trinity in the game, however in my experience the only classes that can tank whilst maintaining a higher DPS than other classes are the heavies, being guardian and warrior, most other professions will simply keel over after holding aggro for over 10 seconds, unless they’ve greatly punished their damage potential. As for the healer, guardian and staff elementalists are good, and to a lesser extent warrior and engineer (thief has little to no self/group heal abilities.)

So from the sounds of it Guardian is right up your alley, however they seem to be quite in abundance in this game as they’re one of the easiest classes to play. It’s pretty uncommon to be in a dungeon group that doesn’t have a Guardian already in it.

This is only my opinion and I’m sure people will say otherwise, but these professions IMO are the only ones that can pull it off without completely crippling the other aspects. What you generally expect from the classes you’ve picked is:
Thief: brutal DPS, doesn’t matter if they’re squishy, they should spend their time behind the boss.
Ele: Solid healing and damage with the staff, or even better damage weaving through mobs with daggers.
Mesmer: Skillful use of portals and Time Warp… That’s about it…
Engi: Devastating damage with the grenade kit, I mean absolutely devastating…
Necro: Idunno lol, I’ve never played as one or run with too many to get a grasp of what they actually do… Generally I just see them sitting miles away occasionally turning into the Grim Reaper.

Linguistically Inept.6583:

i get annoyed at PuGs who (despite being told to stack in melee and dodge after two) decide theyd be safer running around at range; causing the other (non perfect timed evaders) to run into their AoE; or getting crystallised and call for ‘help’
- though i suppose thats partly to do with my hatred of dungeon players who will never ever go melee because they’re ‘squishy’

I know right, someone who puts points into defense will out damage a zerker sitting at range, the damage drop is crazy.

But hey, a random PuG tried the usual stacking method and it just fell to pieces too quickly, one person wouldn’t die at a time it would be 2-3. Which goes downhill pretty quick from there when you get hit with a crystal.

Pffft dodging when you don’t need to only wastes time. As well as the fact that everyone has to get the timing perfect, whereas this way only one person needs to and the others go AFK.

Ioflux.4369:

Dolan.3071:

I personally prefer people spreading out, then I don’t need to dodge at all when he drops AoE’s (unless I get the “misty” one, which is rare.)

Takes longer to kill if everyone is ranged.

I should’ve been more clear, I didn’t mean all ranged haha. Just the guy getting targeted stands far away and rest stand wherever they want (I don’t seem to get hit even when standing on the edge of someone else’s ring) :/

I personally prefer people spreading out, then I don’t need to dodge at all when he drops AoE’s (unless I get the “misty” one, which is rare.)

I like scavengers… They keep you on your toes. You can face roll pretty much everything else but them you have to keep watching. It isn’t overly hard to dodge and then not go near them, using interrupts to save slower teammates or simply standing just out of range of the scav but close enough to still be able to revive.

Does running with the same setup (and same players) not bore you? I mean regular dungeon running is repetitive enough as it is. The only thing that keeps it interesting is the wild assortments you get from PuGs. In some situations an entirely different strategy is needed. As I have yet to play as each class it’s how I learn what the others are capable of doing and how different classes can compliment each other (for instance a regen banner warrior combined with an accordingly traited Mesmer granting them constant protection.)

I mean sure it’s good to run with the same people for really nailing down a strategy (there’s one guy I regularly run with who’s figured out to time his blast finishers when I lay down a fire field, between the two of us we maintain 25 stacks for the whole party.)

But yes there’s my 2 cents worth, the same party composition would be like scraping a cheesegrater against my forehead…

I am glad to see the class I enjoy the most is so widely accepted…

Bukkebruse.2810:

Dub.1273:

Well, noone skips kholer because he is too hard to fight but because he is inefficient in making money. It’s basically wasting minutes for almost nothing.

since when is 10-15s, a bag and a chest for two to three minutes’ work considered inefficient?

Never underestimate the WP, when doing path 1 there’s always at least ONE person who gets hit by the fire on the way back.

I don’t understand? The party leader can leave the instance without booting everyone, it’s only if he leaves the party that people are booted. But really, if he can leave instance, load screen, then leave party before you’ve even gotten to the chest, hurry up. I’ve never seen party leaders instantly leave the party after they grabbed the chest, ever.

I like your signature Oranisagu. Couldn’t agree more, why miss out on that chest/WP/boss loot for a whopping 2 minutes of “dodge once every 30 seconds”. His regular attacks really aren’t that bad as any tank worth his metal can just walk away from the keyboard, and anyone else can just jump in the water, healing OOC on the way back…

I agree, I like to have free reign to kick whomever I please. Whilst it’s good, albeit unnecessary that I can’t get kicked when party leader, I’d like to have that option to when he/she is an egotistical elitist. Talking down unwarranted to other players will rack up an instant vote to kick next to your name, and all it takes for someone else to agree/like me more and boom, you’re gone, thank you and goodbye. Of course, this isn’t always an option when that particular person started the instance (usually decided by whoever wasn’t contested at the start.) Also if the party leader ragequits (goes offline) we are unable to replace his slot.

“This game isn’t WoW”

The solution appears to be quite simple, go play WoW. The amount of people whinging and comparing this to WoW is too kitten high. Don’t play one game, then play another, and complain about how it’s not the same as the first.

If not having a clear cut Trinity forcing you to play a certain play style is simply too difficult for you to grasp, then perhaps you’re not up to this level of MMO….

Crafting/buying will set you back, correct me if I’m wrong, close to 18436943 gold. But seriously, dungeons are the way to go. Look through the vendors in Lions Arch and find a set of stats that you like, and start running it. Doing all 3 paths a day you can pull in 180 tokens (assuming you don’t have an alt to use.) So yes it will take a little while but you’re essentially getting free exotics and making good gold along the way.

Unless I’m mistaken that 90 point increase is in a lower levelled area where it counts for a bit more?

The only banner skill I use is swiftness when running.

The Warbanner is indeed terrible, the damage doesn’t change as its either 5 stacks to you(SoR) or 1 to everyone (probably not as too many people stand at ranged, not receiving the effects). As well as the ungodly long cool down with short up time.

However the true power in running a banner build is might stacking. The longbow is a must, casting the fire field down then dropping #3 into the middle, then drop your banners. You can drop 2 banners and pick one up to slam it into the ground before the field wears off on a 2 stage adrenalin level (don’t need anymore as stamping banner has a collective cooldown.) Throw in FGJ and SOR and you’re sitting on 20 stacks of might and 15 for the teammates smart enough to stand close. Put the sigil that adds might on weapon swap on your longbow to keep it rising as you change the next time your adrenalin is high enough. Cast the field, drop #3, stamp a banner, repeat. Might, glorious might.

So we have another "stomp"? Why....

Also "coward" would be bad, warriors already have too many abilities that can line up a hundred blades, we don’t need anymore whining about how OP it is.

Perhaps a shout that intensifies depending on current health level, and to keep in sync with the might stacking machine that the warrior is, the lower your health is the more might you receive. Would be a good way to turn a bad situation around. Perhaps some additional effects to teammates/foes.

LithePanther.5027:

Dolan.3071:

LithePanther.5027:

Meh. My warrior runs full berseker gear and only 10 points in the vitality tree and does just fine in most encounters. If you know when to dodge and when to heal, you could probably do dungeons naked :/

Congratulations. You can dodge AoE’s that aren’t aimed at you. If you can hold aggro for an entire (boss) battle without keeling over then I’ll be impressed (and no, running around in circles doesn’t count as you’re just screwing up everyone else in your party.)

Who said I was trying to hold aggro? Because i certainly didn’t. I’m not looking to tank, i’m looking to do one of the highest sustained DPS in the game. The guardian I run with holds the aggro.

Well no good squishy will deliberately hold aggro, that’s just absurd. But there are a few bosses/mobs out there who won’t always go for the designated “tank”. And in those situations, 99% of zerkers just keel over and die/run stupidly in circles crippling their own damage output as well as those around them. Don’t mind me, it just bothers me when people go on about how easy being a zerker is, because, yes, yes it is very easy to hide behind bosses and not worry about their attacks at all. In fact, I make an effort to spin bosses into squishies who carry on about how good they are (not specifically talking about you here, just in general.)

CriminalMind.4379:

Great post. I would like to add a rule. I may be wrong. Please let me know if I am.

Please dont “knock back” a foe if others are fighting melee. Exception would be to keep from dying. There are two reasons why knocking back is bad.

1. Melee damage ceases until they catch back up with mob.
2. It might push the mob out of aoe. Nothing worse than using a skill just to have someone knock mob away.

These are my opinions. Hope they help.

(This is in general. Not just dungeons)

> Activate hundred blades at time when the boss isn’t attacking/about to move
> Gets knocked back by a stupid ranger
I swear to god get the hell off my team.

If you’re any good at ele you’ve already mastered the most difficult class, and everything else will come with ease (you may even find them boring.) Guardian is incredibly easy to use and very powerful for the small amount of skill required to play. Mesmer is also overused in my opinion.

Now skilled engineers are what I don’t see enough of, as most people aren’t used to their tactics (myself included for a while.) But their grenade spam can be absolutely devastating. I don’t chase engineers anymore, if they run away, well… Good for them, I’m going to find someone else to attack…

LithePanther.5027:

Meh. My warrior runs full berseker gear and only 10 points in the vitality tree and does just fine in most encounters. If you know when to dodge and when to heal, you could probably do dungeons naked :/

Congratulations. You can dodge AoE’s that aren’t aimed at you. If you can hold aggro for an entire (boss) battle without keeling over then I’ll be impressed (and no, running around in circles doesn’t count as you’re just screwing up everyone else in your party.)

Am I the only one out there? Lately all I see are warriors who faceplant the keyboard hoping to hit #2 with their greatsword….

Throw things into the mystic forge. I use dungeon reward exotics which are essentially free and I can sell the failures for 1-4 gold. I’m making good money from the dungeon runs and now from trying to get the precursor, money which I’ll need for the other gifts haha.

Earn your legendary! Buying the precursor takes the sense of accomplishment out of it.

A warrior with no toughness and 5 signets… Never do dungeons…

Bullwinkel.7839:

I wouldn’t play a thief in PvE. They just don’t have enough cleave options to even be suitable for proficient dungeon running.

Venom sharing. You’re welcome.

Iehova.9518:

Dolan.3071:

I’m still kinda new to the dungeon, but i was wondering if there was a way for a warrior to break out of an Alpha crystal? Classes with teleport just pop out but it seems to be the thing that kills me when I’m the only one left alive.

Have the rest of your party kill the crystal.

As I said I’m the only one left alive = no party. But that’s good to hear to be able to tell the ice AoE apart

Thanks for the tips guys. (I’ll have to get those lazy laser firers to get down and help.) Also the destroyer does reset, something which happened a few times when we were learning him, not fun at all. And someone drawing the tooth aggro, that would’ve been good, was kinda hard sitting on the edge trying to avoid those

The ground covered in AoE doesn’t actually hurt though, you can just stand still and the ring will miss, everytime. Only the person getting targeted experiences a damaging attack, would it not be better for that one person to stand at range so the rest don’t need to dodge?

Does that path 3 strategy work all the time? Cause I PUG a lot and I think it’s kinda risky that all 3 make that journey everytime, especially cause of no more WP ressing, and the shield staying up for too long can destroy the people on the ledge :/

Here’s a filler line because I can’t post short comments. And here’s the comment I originally wanted to post.

No.

Okay fine I’ll explain. If you want a zergrush of people in which you will never receive recognition and you probably won’t even be able to recognise your own contribution, go to WvW. There would be too much player carrying and they would have to up dungeon difficulty to compensate, e.g stupidly high health and multiple instant AoE KO’s.