Guild Wars 2

I didn’t want to bump an old thread.

Power Block is a Mesmer GM Trait that increases the CD of interrupted skills from 5 seconds to 10 seconds. This does not work on thief weapon skills because, according to ANet, thieves don’t have CDs in the first place.

Anyway, here’s the thing, Power Block doesn’t work on thieves because ANet says thieves don’t have CD. Power Block’s tooltip says it increases the interrupted CD duration, so if it normally increase 5 to 10, then logically it should increase 0 to 5. So I see no reason this shouldn’t work this way. Thieves will get a mere 5 second CD when they usually get none? Meh, I don’t see how it would completely destroy thieves. Oh, but they lose initiative when you interrupt them in the first place, you say? Well, not always[a bug or something, they don’t lose initiative a lot of the time when they’re interrupted] and that goes for everyone[“Aw, but warriors already get a 5 second CD when they’re interrupted~” sounds ridiculous, really. Same thing for thief initiative loss when rupted, in the case that they actually lost it].

So, what’re your opinions, arguments, mesmer-hate, and thief-fanboyism you have for this topic?

PS, I don’t hate thieves, just annoyed about a trait tailored to ignore them.

RoRo.8270:

Community is stellar? We must be playing 2 different games

In comparison to most other MMO PvP communities, we’re actually pretty good.

takatsu.9416:

Seriously this had never made any sense – the concept of a mesmer totally does not include a shield lol. Daggers are more appropriate I think… but a SHIELD??? haha I just don’t get it!

We shoot lasers through a great sword to make that work. Mesmers are all about have something that seems brutish and making it fabulous as kitten. The fact that it seems a good bit odd for a mage or scholar just makes me feel it fits mesmer more.

But, meh, I’m sure we’d prefer a MH pistol or something, but this isn’t too bad.

Linken.6345:

seeing how only medium have it now I dont see a reason a heavy should get it thief/ranger maybe if a light had it they could give it to a heavy to even it out but they dont

Mesmer.

Supreme.3164:

jportell.2197:

Supreme.3164:

jportell.2197:

Miltek.2104:

The problem isn’t existing classes but meta builds.
Celestial is little overpowered ATM.

And anet is clearly going to nerf the cele amulet amirite? /sarcasm.

And your “favourite” team just got rekt despite using celestial godlike builds( well you think they are)..as @ArrDee say : “Get good son”

-Edit-oRNG had like 2x zerker amulet?! O_O LOOOOOL, “get good son”

Oh and how many celestial builds were on the team that “rekt” them? The SAME NUMBER YOU SAY?! OH WOW how crazy!

And team with more zerkers won…it’s called personal skill something you may want to check

So celestial isn’t OP because both top teams in the finals used them? I don’t get your argument.

I’d like some mesmer to be buffed in the fact that some more traits look appealing, like our Chaos line’s “Bountiful Disillusionment” and our Illusion line’s “Disruptor’s Sustainment”. And our glamour bombing back. They nerfed confusion, I don’t see why they had to also nerf our application of it.

Question here. A new ability showcased by the Revenant is the ability to forcibly teleport enemies away from an area. Will this be a hard CC which the new Stability interacts with and thus prevents? I’d assume yes, but I wanted to make sure.

I feel like mesmers would look better with a round buckler-like shield than something heavy like a kite or wall. Seems more eloquent and goes with the clock theme.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Fay.2357:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

So lets see who comes closest to actually predicting what we get. (More details to come soon in OMFG guild message. Could turn this into a wager, but can’t do that on the forums)

Oh, this is a good idea! I wonder what chaos thought of for traits…

Chaos Archangel.5071:

• Reduce Shield CDs by 20%

smh

I couldn’t even think of a cool secondary effect like focus/torch/pistol xD

Lets see what you come up with chief!

Activating a shield skill grants a random, useless boon.

Or if we want to be a big dreamer: Activating a shield skill grants X stacks of stability for Y seconds.

Shield skills cause chill? Could work.

Korusef.3714:

Gs + Sc/F , push them, pull them, torment them …

Or use Staff and Pistol and MoD for 1200 ranged rupts and kills.

Mayama.1854:

Condi mesmers are super easy because you can concentrate on defending all the time because the AI fights for you.

You mean PU Condi Mesmer, specifically, I assume.

Every class has to avoid using specific weapons in PvE if they want to optimize. We can still be pretty good with scepter in PvE, or as good as any condi weapon can be, but in PvP scepter is still strong.

Mortifer.2946:

http://youtu.be/sG5oUKqbIVM?t=5m15s

News so it seems I was right

No, this confirms nothing you said, and I’ll explain why:

The interviewer[Joe] asked “Will this block off any content by specializing?”
The interviewee[The Dev, forgot his name, which is probably bad] said “No, whenever you’re out of combat you can switch right back to being a ranger. So you can play as a druid or a ranger, choosing how you want to play.” This isn’t the exact quote, but close enough that it doesn’t matter.

The fact that they added that part in the end still confirms nothing, but highly implies that one will not be able to “play as a ranger” while they’re a druid, meaning the ranger’s gameplay, its mechanics and maybe more, will be blocked off when you’re a druid, and vice versa.

I feel like the devs need to be less vague, as they’re known to be, when they’re explaining how specializations work as they stick to the extremely non-specific “you can swap between the base and special, so you’re not really losing anything when you specialize”, because this is leaving a lot of room for misinterpretation.

Anyway, if you’d like to explain with rational thought why I’m wrong, please do.

Nope. I’d rather have some useful utility and control, which is where we’re more centered about.

Temporal Displacement Gives the mesmer and nearby allies quickness and swiftness for 6 seconds. Slows and Cripples nearby enemies for 6 seconds.

Restart[Heal Skill] Heals Mesmer and cures conditions. Removes boons of nearby enemies and conditions from nearby allies.

They’re… big.

Me Games Ma.8426:

New Elite:
Master of Time and Space or Time Lord
Upkeep: For every second this skill is active it gets a higher cooldown. Per second active it gets 9 seconds cooldown. Max duration: 20 seconds.
Activate your master of time and space form and change the way your skills behave.
While in this form:

• You gain quickness every second.
• Every utility is instant cast.
• Your cooldowns are reduced by 33%
• Your weapon skills hit harder and inflict slow.

Unility Set:
Phase Rift: Create a line on the ground that teleports allies 900 units in their current direction and knocks down enemies that try to cross it. 90s CD
Stop: Create a field on the ground that slows, chills and immobilizes enemies for 6s. 60s CD
Spatial Refuge: Create a field around you that follows you and teleports away enemies as they try to enter. (45s) CD
Wastrel’s Worry: Create a field on the ground that deals damage to your enemies. The damage get’s stronger the longer they stay inside. 30s CD

Shield Skills:
4.1 Phantasmal Avenger: Summon a phantasm that stores all damage you take and sends it out to your target. 20s CD
4.2 Phantasmal Avenger: Block an attack. Summon a Phantasm that will cast the attack that you blocked.
5. Vortex + Implosion: Pull all enemies towards a target location. + Push them away from the location. 30s CD

Heal Skill:
Revert Time
Heal for a good amout and all the damage you took in the last 3 seconds (condition damage and normal damage) 25s CD.

I really like “Stop”, and am thinking a skill like Spatial Refuge would be more “Time-Control”-ish if it was “Rewind”, where you create a line on the ground that teleports enemies back in the direction they’re coming from, basically reverting their progress. Or this could be combined with Phase Rift, but I feel like that might make things confusing, this massive distance between the two. I also feel like the forced teleport of Phase Rift could screw our own teammates over on points, but could be useful in Stronghold.

One potential thing I’m thinking we might see is mesmer control-tanking the supply with lockdown and more survival amulets while thieves start stealing supply with their assassin-like killing[actually living up to their name]. Mesmers might have a good time sneaking gate-breakers in too, so if everyone at the beginning chose to summon those skritt, it could become our role to smuggle them through the pass. I also feel like a combination of focus’s swiftness and blink with portal will make us extremely efficient in supply runs at the beginning.

I don’t think it’ll be Inventor. By common standards, it better be something that is either short and sweet or has some kind of abbreviated version[Example: Warriors are wars, Engineers are engis, Mesmers are mes, thief is thief]. With 1-2 syllables at most. Inventors would be Invents, and that just doesn’t sound right.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/

Try using this build creator to organize this so people can have an easier time judging it.

xDudisx.5914:

Amir.1570:

Neptune.2570:

Thief is the single, undisputed, hardest class to make effective at high tier pvp. Fact.

Fixed.

If by hard you mean baiting dodges with Phantasms and then instant-cast shattering people after they don’t have anymore endurance while spamming evades and invuln as you do so is hard then it just shows how much you know.

Ranger is easier than Mesmer, but Mesmer is still pretty easy. There are harder specs in this game, specs that take real skill. Even Thief is more skill-based than Mesmer really but I guess it’s just hard to understand that just because you play a Mesmer.

The problem is the loud minorty that plays mesmer on the forum and keep repeating “mesmer is hard” in every post. The strategy of repeating lies until everyone believes in it.

It’s popular opinion. You’re thinking “Everyone else is wrong and I’m right”. I’m not saying the majority is always right, but have you ever considered that you may not be correct? Just wondering, since you don’t seem to recognize that everything here is simply an opinion, and that by saying your opinion is right makes you inherently wrong.

Anyway, my idea of mesmers is this: You either win or you lose. The mesmer’s wins can be dominating because of the playstyle, meaning either killing squishies faster with a burst, locking an opponent down with interrupts until they’re dead, or constantly punishing the opponent with conditions. Mesmer is sadistic in this way, in that if you lose to a mesmer you’re likely to think “there’s nothing I could have done”. On the other hand, this is not to say the mesmer always dominates, but only that its wins are usually dominating. If a mesmer doesn’t have control of the situation, they fall to pieces. This is where people say mesmer is hard: If you do it well enough, you’re solid, but if you mess up outside of the narrow margin of error, it is very unforgiving.
These are my thoughts, at least.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-26-guild-wars-2-getting-a-first-person-camera

So, GW2, from what this article says, is getting a “first person camera” option added in for every game mode. This might be mostly limiting in PvP, but I had a though: Would this let us see animations better, and therefore increase our Lockdown ability? With that, I found this slightly relevant to Mesmer and just post it here to see whether anyone has thoughts on this.

Also, quick list of pros and cons:

PROS: Possibly better point of view for observing animations.
CONS: Less range of vision around yourself.

Probably something that has to do with the Maguuma. I’m thinking Maguum→Pact Airships→Flying Turrets

Thus, maybe Scavenger or Rocketeer or, my favorite, the Aviator.

process execution.8014:

I’m just praying that it’s affected by Power Block.

But as always, I don’t expect my prayers to be answered.

Same, hopefully doubling the amount our hard CC hits for, which might be cool.

Ok, back on this point after a while, thief skills that are interrupted should get a 5 second CD. It’s what the trait tip says, it not doing it is simply saying that ANet is purposefully making one of our traits not work.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/preview/guild-wars-2-exclusive-meet-defiant-wyvern

Somewhat relevant to Mesmers, given our many CC making us more adept at spiking down this “Breakbar”.

Thoughts?

I feel like Revenant will be very close to Mesmer in its capabilities and that we may counter them as well as they counter us. We’re weak to conditions, yet have the boon-stripping to make them affected by their self conditions. They can stack stability, but we have more interrupts than most classes. Their AoE is centered around itself and linear movement while our clones and phantasms hit/shatter can hit while we kite.

I feel like Revs, who are warriors who dabbled in magic, will be a long-lost brother to the Mesmer, whose a mage that chose to dabble in weapons.

Immob doesn’t override hard CC, I think, so even if they’re immobilized you can push/pull them.

xDudisx.5914:

Sorel.4870:

xDudisx.5914:

I see the new stab been a problem against slick shoes and mesmer daze. Those skills will need to be nerfed.

Not really. You would have to not run in and out off it, that’s all. Slick shoes have a small AoE, and Chaos Storm can daze you 3 times at the very maximum.

Mesmer F3 will apply daze 3 times. If it removes 3 stab stacks it will be op.

I think this is on purpose. Mesmers are all about control, after all, it makes sense we’d be able to do mass-stripping more easily.

Levetty.1279:

Anet needs to stop trying to make interrupt builds a thing, its not going to become a thing.

Yeah, no~

CI Mesmers are already pretty strong, and CS can be at times to. So, thanks to various efforts, interrupt builds are already “a thing”. ANet is just supporting it.

I’d say more that Jalis is a stable fighter, his ability to tank giving him a solid defense and mobility. Mallyx, on the other hand, is a very offensive and risky fighter, throwing conditions on himself which cut his mobility in exchange for spreading conditions. The fact that he gets 2 seconds of Resist per utility skill is also part of his risk factor. If the player doesn’t manage their energy well, they could very well run out of fuel for their resistance and be overwhelmed by conditions.

Mortifer.2946:

I have it from the big announcement event stream video. That is how I understood it when I first heard it. And they really didn’t mention they will take something from you apart from the F1-4 skills and even that is probably just an option for you.

The traits involved with your F1-4 skills, probably. I don’t think Specializations will be straight upgrades and that we will lose certain builds to it, in the sense that we can’t have the best of both the Druid and the Ranger if we spec druid.

And while this may be how you heard it, you sound so confident that it seems like you’re stating a confirmed fact, so please make it sound more opinion-ish.

Khenzy.9348:

I went slightly ahead of you Dondagora:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Screencap-of-all-Revenant-skills/first#post4815153

To summarize:

-No vigor
-No evade skills
-No instant teleport skills
-No swiftness or 25% speed increase
-No invulnerability skills
-Little to no Protection or Regeneration boon uptime
-No stealth
-No non-target leap skills (besides Unyielding Anguish which seems more situational and more of a peel, a very strong one at that)
-Very little condi removal
-Lack of stun breakers

Out of combat field mobility or combat disengage is little to none.
If they don’t get to use Unyielding Anguish for melee attackers (or use it that often), they seem great focus targets!
UA seems ridiculously strong btw!

But as I said in the post I linked, we have yet to see other Legends and weapons!

And their other 2 trait lines.

Muchacho.2390:

They have a lighting field on a 5 second cooldown and a triple blast finisher (which also is a 410 range leap skill?). So i guess they can stack some swiftness.

Some, perhaps. Honestly forgot about that, but I believe this may be balanced given the energy cost of the field(25 Energy) given the initial 50 outside combat and is tied to a specific weapon and legend. Still, even necromancer and mesmer have “a” source of swiftness, so this in of itself isn’t too big of a setback to my hypothesis.

Edit: Actually this isn’t tied to a single weapon, since mace apparently also has a very good blast finisher. It is tied to a single legend, still, while the other is very anti-mobile with its self-conditions. Unsure how this’ll play out, but perhaps it’ll be that certain legends have certain weaknesses, such as Dwarf Stance is for mobile bunker while Demon Stance is less mobile with more aggressive melee defense.

I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet, so forgive me if it has already been posted.

The revenant clearly lacks mobility. No traits, nor weapons revealed thus far have shown it having speed boosters or swiftness or unconditional teleportation. It relies on hard/soft CC such as taunt and chill/torment to make up for this, while all its techniques are very “cleaving”, meaning centered around itself. It also has a trait which makes long-ranged attacks[beyond 600] less effective, probably another cover for its weakness of being unable to catch kiters easily.

That being said, I’m positive that there are other kittens in the armor we haven’t noticed in our, as another poster aptly put, “new toy syndrome”. Anyone else have thoughts to contribute in defeating this imminent rival before he/she[gender equality] comes into play?

Swish.2463:

Inb4 CS bug fixes to nerf Mesmer op.. the bug where it applies a daze and then stun and can remove two stacks of that pve thing..

Tbh this sounds like a win for guardians and warriors and thieves more than it does Mesmers to me

Oh, this is awesome, it can make a statement saying how Mesmers are simply better with CC and stability removal.

Legendary Golem Stance: M.O.X.

Oh, something close to my idea but not quite would be an AoE effect around the mesmer which applied both Slow and Chill for 1 second, thus slowing the attack speed of the enemies by 83%.

I love eating thieves with condi shatter. I have too many defenses and condi application for them to burst me and avoid damage.

On the note of other mesmers, that’s actually my first thought when I see another mesmer on the enemy team and my team: “I must prove I am the alpha mesmer. I must kill their mesmer and kill everything our mesmer fails to.” Don’t know where this deep sense of competition comes from, but maybe it’s the fact that being a mesmer doesn’t mean much unless you’re a good mesmer.

Monkey Fritz.9052:

Dondagora.9645:

Conncept.7638:

There is one thing still very confusing to me about this blog post.

It sounds like the Revenant may get less customization than other classes. As per usual your first five skills are determined by your weapon, but unlike other classes they said your second five skills are determined by your legend. Are they determined only by your legend? As in, you pick a legend and get the five skills that come with it? Or will there be a selectable loadout of skills within each legend? And if so how many per legend?

I take it as you get to choose your utility with the same variety as any other class and each legend will change the affect of the utility, meaning more customization. So you get 5 types/sets of 4 utility skills each. This gives you 20 skills. The number of skills is then multiplied by each combination of Legends. This is what I believe it meant.

Read the dev posts in this thread. It is confirmed to be a static swap per legend. No choice.

They did say it is not set in stone, yet.

Yep, just read it, shoulda seen that earlier~

Conncept.7638:

There is one thing still very confusing to me about this blog post.

It sounds like the Revenant may get less customization than other classes. As per usual your first five skills are determined by your weapon, but unlike other classes they said your second five skills are determined by your legend. Are they determined only by your legend? As in, you pick a legend and get the five skills that come with it? Or will there be a selectable loadout of skills within each legend? And if so how many per legend?

I take it as you get to choose your utility with the same variety as any other class and each legend will change the affect of the utility, meaning more customization. So you get 5 types/sets of 4 utility skills each. This gives you 20 skills. The number of skills is then multiplied by each combination of Legends. This is what I believe it meant.

Here’s a completely out-of-the-world hope: a Chronomancer skill that can freeze time without interrupting anything. Like, for a brief second, we can pause the game in a certain around of effect. This could be an elite or our F4 mechanic, but I’m thinking if done in a small AoE of, lets say, 240 Radius around the mesmer it could work in a really cool way.

Another idea is a “Rewind” ability where you fear an enemy, then taunt them a second after, making them run back and forth.

Zietlogik.6208:

I dont see why they didnt just add that 1 extra mechanic to chill (the animation slowing) since the rest is already part of it as a condi…

chill + slow is going to be nearly a daze or stun when used in conjunction, but not effected by stun breaks :/

I’ll assume they won’t be putting them on the same skill and thus make it some kind of skilled combo that you’ll have to pull off if you want to do this. Just a thought.

A worthy mention for Condi Mesmers is that the condi immunity of warriors will be becoming a boon which we can strip.

xDudisx.5914:

Lux.7169:

Whelp, all 1,000 people who pvp have voted. The results are in.

1000 people? There are ways for 1 guy to vote multiple times. I for example gave 2 votes for NO.

Why? This is to both why go through the trouble of double-voting[though I assume people didn’t decide to do it up to 1000] and why do you want stronghold to be mixed in with normal Ranked Queue?

It’s still a solid 91% against 9% ratio. One accidental vote doesn’t change the ratio.

I can’t tell if they’re just gonna throw it into Unranked while having a separate “Ranked” queue for it, or if they’re just gonna throw it into Ranked and Unranked and make no separation between pre-mades and guilds in their matchmaking.

They said our guilds would have their own leader boards, so I hope queuing as a guild will get you slotted for Stronghold, or else it just isn’t that different from queuing now with teams from your guild.

Ross Biddle.2367:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/stronghold-the-battle-of-champions-dusk/

I’ve been thinking up a lot of was in which Mesmer can fit into rolls. But it will be hard to say exactly where we’ll fit in and how well until Stronghold drops. This is partly because its hard to see what other classes/team comps will be present. Never the less portal will be a huge player I think, as well as reflects, and CC/interrupt. I can see stealth being very important for channeling supply because without it, a single mesmer with things like MoD and MoP (assuming damage breaks the channel) could freely chain interrupt/lockdown an enemy teams ability to access supply, all by himself.

No damage interrupts, it’s stated only Hard CC will interrupt these channels. I think this is ANet creating a niche for control-oriented specs, especially mesmers given our vast amount of dazes, to fill.

I don’t know how well their idea will work, but I’m imagining a possible 6/6/x build with CS with either or both Harmonic Mantras and traited pistol for range. With the 1200 range of the pistol and GS , it’d be possible to strip stability and deny channels from afar, and since the main point isn’t to outright kill we could probably use something like sentinel or soldier stats for survivability.

So, I’ve been meaning to ask but we hadn’t had enough information until now to speculate, but what are ideas or opinions on Stronghold and Mesmers? Given the NPC system, do you think our utility with Veil and Mass Invisibility stealth will make us valuable shepherds, or maybe our ability to use portal will allow us to do some mass-supply runs with our team and thus send out a wave of Archers/Doorbreakers?

What are the possibilities, problems, or beliefs you have about our place in Stronghold?