Guild Wars 2

I wanted to do a chest thumping/QQ/trolling forum score update but there was so much halfway through I quit. I do know that somehow DB had more chest thumping/insulting posts than JQ about 1/3rd of the way through the thread, so that was kinda weird.

Someone do the counting, I r tired

I feel that venoms are too weak to be worth using ATM, when compared to other thief utilities such as Shadow Refuge, Caltrops, and Shadowstep. They just don’t provide the same amount of effectiveness, especially with the vast amount of condition clearing in this game. Adding a trait which allows venoms to

A) Strip Boons
B) Have a 30% chance to steal said boon

would increase the effectiveness of venoms, to the point where they are worth using, as well as buffing thief group play(largely in wvw) by applying boon stripping venoms + venom share to nearby allies, stripping enemy boons with a 30% chance to steal said boon. Thieves could finally have a better purpose in WvW large scale fights besides blasting and spreading a little weakness here and there.

It would also fit the theme of the thief, stealing/stripping items, or in this case ‘boons’ from enemies.

Thoughts? Please keep it constructive.

GvG, picking off ranged clothies + blasts + poison(weakness) fields.

ZvZ

Tag kitten don’t die and blast

In a ZvZ thieves are utterly useless. I mained a thief w/ 1.5K hours, the majority WvW, and it’s really not worth it. That’s why I rerolled and tried a bunch of other level 80 professions.

Run a phantasmal build. GS S/P. Duelist + Magic Bullet, switch to GS + GS phantasmal. If he tries to CnD off you, dodge it. Save your dodges for his CnD. If he tries to CnD off clones, shatter them (I like daze over confusion). If he stealths using a 3s stealthing skill, wait a second or two, use decoy and stay the entire duration in stealth. When he gets low finish him off using MOA.

Phantasmal builds are nasty against P/D thieves.

Jet.4795:

Doomdesire.9365:

Jet.4795:

Doomdesire.9365:

Rinoa.8915:

This match-up has been super fun. Everyone has come out to play and you can find a fight wherever you go! The thing that always continues to impress me about JQ is the cohesion between guilds as well as the constant coordination. It’s great to see our server community stronger than ever and I hope we can continue watching it grow.

Thanks for the good fight Noodles! EMP vs. ESOL

Best of luck to all and see you on the field.

Who won?

From what I saw EMP.

Wish I coulda been there. I never miss these GvGs :/

Maybe some miss communication. It was just open field fights no actual GvG.

EDIT* Unless I even missed something but I just saw normal WvW fights but just guilds no militia with either.

Ah, okay, my mistake then.

Although I’m hoping that GvG will happen soon so I can get front row seats!

I play oceanic time slot ALOT, and SEA a few times before, and I have to say it’s a hard fight when NA doesn’t stick around. We’re usually outnumbered and it’s a uphill fight. I know if a few oceanics transferred over our oceanic commanders will have less headaches

Jet.4795:

Doomdesire.9365:

Rinoa.8915:

This match-up has been super fun. Everyone has come out to play and you can find a fight wherever you go! The thing that always continues to impress me about JQ is the cohesion between guilds as well as the constant coordination. It’s great to see our server community stronger than ever and I hope we can continue watching it grow.

Thanks for the good fight Noodles! EMP vs. ESOL

Best of luck to all and see you on the field.

Who won?

From what I saw EMP.

Wish I coulda been there. I never miss these GvGs :/

Rinoa.8915:

This match-up has been super fun. Everyone has come out to play and you can find a fight wherever you go! The thing that always continues to impress me about JQ is the cohesion between guilds as well as the constant coordination. It’s great to see our server community stronger than ever and I hope we can continue watching it grow.

Thanks for the good fight Noodles! EMP vs. ESOL

Best of luck to all and see you on the field.

Who won?

If it makes you feel better I’ve lost 700 gold to the forge in 30 minutes before. Personally I like the thrill of gambling, and I’ve done it enough to not care whether I lose out or not, it’s cool nonetheless, since I have no use for gold anymore.

Also sometimes you get goodies, such as today I got the Legend

oxide.8324:

Doomdesire.9365:

oxide.8324:

Doomdesire.9365:

What if I told you when SoR says they don’t care about the ppt they mean they don’t care about the overall score, not that they don’t care about taking and defending stuff?

It’s one of the objectives of the game, everyone cares about it to some degree.

!http://www.livememe.com/t6m2h6p!

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

TIL oxide speaks for everyone.

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

Doomdesire.9365:

What if I told you when SoR says they don’t care about the ppt they mean they don’t care about the overall score

Nah, you’re too close minded to realize that anyways.

Did you not comprehend what I wrote? If SoR don’t care for the “overall score,” leave your towers and keeps alone for one week.

“Is this too hard to understand that holding towers and keeps contribute to your overall score.”

And no more replies for you. You’re not thinking and understood what I wrote earlier.

Just because they contribute to the overall score doesn’t mean that we care about the overall score when we take them.

Maybe YOU should read my post. We take and defend towers because it is fun, not because it is associated with the overall score. kitten

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

Jahn.7019:

What game are you playing? There are no allies. Even if JQ was to make their move for first, it wouldn’t require them to do anything but dominate both sides.

You seem to be talking about a double team. I’m talking about strategic gameplay.

The #2 thing is SoR always claim it never plays for points and only for the fights. Okay, if points means nothing to SoR, why not leave your keeps and towers this whole week and let BG and JQ occupy it.

C’mon. Let’s see how well SoR can back up it’s words. Leave your keeps and towers alone for just one week. That’s all, just one week and take the #3 spot while JQ is in this matchup. Let’s see how much you’re willing to let JQ and us ( the two servers SoR hates the most) end the week ahead of you?

What if I told you fights don’t always mean open field combat?
What if I told you fights included taking and defending keeps?
What if I told you when SoR says they don’t care about the ppt they mean they don’t care about the overall score, not that they don’t care about taking and defending stuff?

Nah, you’re too close minded to realize that anyways.

Thief needs serious improvement in large scale fights. Right now, in the MEGA BLOB meta, thieves are good for one thing, blasting. Even then with the sheer amount of people in these fights, you don’t really need a thief to blast. I rerolled as a guardian a long time ago because thief wasn’t worth it anymore.

Looking for 1v1s. Whisper me in game.

IMO, I love you TC guys, great roamers, fun to fight, but I have to be completely honest when I say TC is too casual to be a T1 server. You guys have got the population, but when Queens Jubilee came out, TC was no where to be seen! NA was completely empty and SoR ticked at like 450 against doors all day…that was boring as heck!

To the comment open SoR and open field fighting: Really? I cannot remember the last time we ran nor put siege in open field fighting. We love open field combat in every way. Most of our guilds will always accept GvGs, that’s the atmosphere around here, don’t know how you could have gotten that observation. Perspective, I guess.

Honestly if you want PvE go to TC. There’s nothing really that matches the silliness/PvE/RP of TC. Not my cup of tea but I can see why people migrate there for PvE. It’s worth the wait to get in while it’s full. I would suggest waiting until SEA time then seeing if it’s full.

Should keep you immobilized in stealth, imo.

Won’t stop me from using #3 P/D on it >_>

Let me get this right…

You’re a Staff Ele w/ 12K HP, likely speced for zerg fighting, and complaining that a thief, who was speced for 1v1s, killed you?

I don’t even have anything to say to that…

Looks like it just fixed itself

Same here. Login server probably down again.

Recent patch details have pointed towards a change in dungeon running. With this change, how will charged lodestones/cores be affected? Will less people be running CoE? More? If anyone could enlighten me since I’m not too keen with this stuff, but I’m working towards Infinite Light and waiting for the right moment to buy charged.

BG why you on our server >_>

The problem with custom Arenas is for some reason Anet decided that you cannot pick separate armor pieces to mix and match therefore killing any variety and making the dueling community sway away from SPvP. Until Anet introduces a system in which you could make your build such as you would in WvW, foods and nourishment included, a large part of the dueling community won’t participate in SPvP dueling.

celeron.3469:

LetoII.3782:

Just for the record, SoR was split in 3 groups. Made a heck of a difference, staying out of the keeps eh?

I hope you guys can make that work, would love to see the meta change back to last year. AoI used to run 3 groups (paired up depending on turnout) OnS, Work, ATac, and then DR/VI havoc. When SoS first came to T1 we saw a lot of success, imo, but then the meta slowly changed to the 80%/20% zerg split. As long as the omnizerg could respond fast enough (which it usually could especially if you’re on your home map), then we got destroyed.

Used to be a lot of fun parking 40% of our forces on each side of the map to defend/attack, and then having the other 20% capping/defending camps and causing havoc. Hearing about that DB group last week got me a little excited, especially since AoI came from DB originally, feels good.

Sadly the new meta is MEGABLOB. I have no problem with 40 man groups, but when it gets to 80 man blobs and you are unable to press your skills, it’s just not fun :/

Also strat wise, three 20 man groups is nice, but when the enemy is running a megablob, especially on a BL where your towers are close to one another, success is limited

I’m sorry what is a DPS metagamer? And why is it something that takes alot of practice?

And if you can play a thief for a day and compete with some of the tops players, you’re kidding yourself.

Rissou.7213:

Shadowstrike is still not worth using in my opinion…

Cloak and dagger cost 6 ini, shadowstrike cost 4 ini. Cloak and Dagger gives 4 sec stealth and sneak attack with 5 bleeds. And in most builds stealth removes conditions and heal you and blinds your target.

Shadowstrike gives 2 torment stacks and teleports you away.. but anyone with range can keep on attacking you.

Can someone tell me why you use shadowstrike over cloak and dagger, to open my eyes to something i missed, because i just dont see how it can benefit you.

Stealth isn’t always the answer because I do tend to get hit a few times during alot of situations. Shadow strike is useful because it’s get you out of the immediate vicinity/out of AoEs and damage. Plus torment acts as a cover conditions against condition removal.

brandon.6735:

Doomdesire.9365:

brandon.6735:

Doomdesire.9365:

It’s happening again!

So what your saying is that AR,MAG,SF,GOM,NSP,SoS,YB,CD, SI, and kain should be in tier 1 also?

I said that? Must have been drunk.

I think you were actually because you are implying that a high population server means high populated WvW.

What if I told you

What you think the post implies isn’t what it implies. I think I know what I meant when I posted it. Thanks for understanding

brandon.6735:

Doomdesire.9365:

It’s happening again!

So what your saying is that AR,MAG,SF,GOM,NSP,SoS,YB,CD, SI, and kain should be in tier 1 also?

I said that? Must have been drunk.

It’s happening again!

Hard to give a definition…since all it means is too powerful, but as an example I’d say

If one guy can kill two others of equal skill with ease then it would be OP. I don’t think the thief class is “OP” simply because against 2 skills players who know what they are doing, it’s near impossible to kill. Can pug stomp 1v3 pugs all day though

The problem here is that most people think the score matters.

See the problem there was that Alphas were used :P

Alphas, the unwanted golems since 1972

fade.8603:

lol, someones birthday or some kinda celebration?

Nope!

Dat T3 garrison and hills…taken down in 1 minute :P

Fortified walls melted in 10 seconds

JaredKincade.9761:

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

Wait wait wait.

So you guys really just said that you need the “balance” back that JQ brings? You are all implying that if both servers aren’t attacking BG, than things are out of balance. Maybe you should of thought of that while we were fresh in Tier 1 months ago.

YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELVES. Week after week of Waha + SOR SEA vs BG SEA and EMP or SF taking down a gate at garrison just to get out of the way for CHOO or TW to rush in with full supply. Or my favorite, the nightly cap of our keep in EBG while JQ caps and SOR spawn camps.

We reacted and adapted to the BLATENT 2v1, you made fun of us (especially me) for calling you out on. You laughed at our “tears” and our screenshots. You said “its not 2v1, JQ hits you all the time”. Well we responded by tightening up our tactics and most importantly, our cross map/guild communication and teamwork.

Then when the scores got close again (we won twice in a row) you recruited not one, but two HUGE EU guilds from EU servers to stack the zone before NA so they have T3 waypoints every night.

We have done nothing but respond to the pressure you blatantly put on our server.

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

Look again

JQ recruits to beat SoS. Beats SoS…SBI & SoS goes down, gives SOR the numbers to come up to T1, also gives BG the numbers for T1. JQ wins by 70K every week, BG is the first to recruit in order to beat JQ, DESPITE the fact that JQ was losing some of it’s players(EMP)… WM + RISE + Meow, wins 2 weeks by 30K. As result, SoR recruits IRON, wins 5 weeks.

I wouldn’t exactly say “SoR” caused every server to start stacking.

Look again. I said exactly your timeline.

I didn’t say JUST SoR. Its both. JQ was the first super stacked server after transfers shut off. People thought they would never be beaten. In fact a few servers died because of it.

However, SOR and JQ TOGETHER (I have to capitalize words because some people fail to actually read them) caused this problem.

The score shows how badly we were being double teamed. Look at it RIGHT NOW during the height of NA. BG is ticking at 300 +- 10. Was that even close to happening last week during NA? No, and we didn’t get any new guilds. The SEA has an even higher shift.

The guy who called it an arms race had it right on. The problem is, BG wasn’t playing to survive in Tier 1. We were playing to survive against both of you.

Again, you guys caused this. We just reacted. SORs focus of BG only every day, and JQs willingness to pile on. The pressure has caused us to temper as a server, and the community to pull together.

When we go back to BG-SOR-JQ again, sure the matchups will be closer. But everyone in JQ and everyone in SOR will know deep down that in a 1v1 matchup, BG destroyed you both.

You mean “adapted” by recruiting new guilds.

SoR and JQ 2v1’d you because you were overstacked. JQ leaves, BG has a 15 hour timezone where they hold a large ppt lead over SoR. This has nothing to do with “bringing the community” together. If you really want to think BG is winning because you’re more skilled, go ahead. GW2 millenium says otherwise.

BTW, from what my former BG guildies and friends from “The Provoked” tell me, BG’s community hasn’t nearly pulled together

MagiKarp.8201:

Doomdesire.9365:

MagiKarp.8201:

Above forgets March 26

You mean march 26 when SoR recruited Tsym to replace CDS which had just, for all intensive purposes, died out?

I mean when BG beat JQ pre-fall of EMP and before SoR/BG were fighting for #1.

You mean March 16

Either way that’s entirely irrelevant to the point of my post.

MagiKarp.8201:

Above forgets March 26

You mean march 26 when SoR recruited Tsym to replace CDS which had just, for all intensive purposes, died out? Can I also mention Agg and FoE, then?

JaredKincade.9761:

Wait wait wait.

So you guys really just said that you need the “balance” back that JQ brings? You are all implying that if both servers aren’t attacking BG, than things are out of balance. Maybe you should of thought of that while we were fresh in Tier 1 months ago.

YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELVES. Week after week of Waha + SOR SEA vs BG SEA and EMP or SF taking down a gate at garrison just to get out of the way for CHOO or TW to rush in with full supply. Or my favorite, the nightly cap of our keep in EBG while JQ caps and SOR spawn camps.

We reacted and adapted to the BLATENT 2v1, you made fun of us (especially me) for calling you out on. You laughed at our “tears” and our screenshots. You said “its not 2v1, JQ hits you all the time”. Well we responded by tightening up our tactics and most importantly, our cross map/guild communication and teamwork.

Then when the scores got close again (we won twice in a row) you recruited not one, but two HUGE EU guilds from EU servers to stack the zone before NA so they have T3 waypoints every night.

We have done nothing but respond to the pressure you blatantly put on our server.

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

Look again

JQ recruits to beat SoS. Beats SoS…SBI & SoS goes down, gives SOR the numbers to come up to T1, also gives BG the numbers for T1. JQ wins by 70K every week, BG is the first to recruit in order to beat JQ, DESPITE the fact that JQ was losing some of it’s players(EMP)… WM + RISE + Meow, wins 2 weeks by 30K. As result, SoR recruits IRON, wins 5 weeks.

I wouldn’t exactly say “SoR” caused every server to start stacking.

I like opening them just because it’s fun to have your chance at a small gamble everynow and then. Actually, I looted an abyss yesterday, but when I went to link it in party chat I accidently used it >_>

I lost 22G when I did that, or got an Abyss for 17s, however you look at it.

Tajz.9826:

Doomdesire.9365:

Neuromancer.2148:

Doomdesire.9365:

Neuromancer.2148:

SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.

That factors in JQ and Waha. If we want to compare just BG and SoR to each other this is the best matchup to do so, because DB isn’t as “intrusive” as JQ was.

So are you saying JQ interferes more with BG than SOR?

I’m saying that if we want to compare just BG/SoR, then we should look at a matchup where it’s really just a 1v1, thus meaning that this is the best matchup. If we were looking to the BG/SoR/JQ matchup we would have to factor in JQ, but since I just want to compare BG/SoR, this is the best data.

not if its just two days on the weekend. u gotta wait a week to claim the stats. we do have pvx guilds who not out everyday and some of them do play huge advantage factors if they show up. Same as Sor, some of you might not show up on this weekend due to raidleader being on vacation.

Good point. I’ll have another look on friday.

Neuromancer.2148:

Doomdesire.9365:

Neuromancer.2148:

SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.

That factors in JQ and Waha. If we want to compare just BG and SoR to each other this is the best matchup to do so, because DB isn’t as “intrusive” as JQ was.

So are you saying JQ interferes more with BG than SOR?

I’m saying that if we want to compare just BG/SoR, then we should look at a matchup where it’s really just a 1v1, thus meaning that this is the best matchup. If we were looking to the BG/SoR/JQ matchup we would have to factor in JQ, but since I just want to compare BG/SoR, this is the best data.

Neuromancer.2148:

SORs issue stems from the fact that SoRs SEA is not logging in. You need proof, just check the matches a month ago: the Oce/Sea timezone clearly shows SoR maintaining a steady, significant lead. Blackgate’s response? Just show up and fight. Same goes for EU. We have not acquired a massive, game-changing guild.

That factors in JQ and Waha. If we want to compare just BG and SoR to each other this is the best matchup to do so, because DB isn’t as “intrusive” as JQ was.

MagiKarp.8201:

SoR has all the EST NA guilds and IRON/KISS overlap in NA EST you basically have the Oceanic of NA flipping everything of BG’s to quote “PvDoor”. BG’s mostly PST (Bar BT and RiSE) log in to everything flipped and anywhere in the range of 100-200 ppt and are fighting defensively all night. Your Oceanic coverage is the same as BG’s is always MERC v HiRE, OCX, XPK similar numbers the number disparity one day for MERC then the next for HiRE. SEA is the reverse of Late EU/NA EST.

Late EU / EST is SoR’s major advantage you are able to tier up your keeps before BG even logs in which allows you to go on offensive all night, much more recently I’ve been noticing that HiRE doesn’t raid, whats going on there they had a full map of players including pugs for the last month or 2 which has disappeared over the last 2 weeks. This is why we go so hard in SEA because we know you are capable of the exact same situation in EST NA so we focus solely SoR and often let the other server hold their thirds as to be a problem for you.

I’m sorry, but that’s just wrong. There’s only 12 times this entire matchup where BG ticked at under 200, most being during EST/Late EU.

SoR has ticked under 200 P.P.T 73 times the majority being Oceanic, SEA, and Early EU timezone

Our Oceanic/SEA is much worse off than your NA is. Looking at when SoR ticks the lowest and when BG ticks the highest, I’d say SoR needs another medium or medium large SEA guild. Nothing less, nothing more.

Sources:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/41/

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/89

EDIT: Added a picture. This isn’t as accurate as looking at the raw numbers(you can do so in the links provided), but shows an accurate representations of each server’s respective “primetime”

SoR is blue, BG green, DB red

The little blue spikes above green & red are NA primetime. Towards the right you see it stretch longer than it normally does, meaning we performed well during early oceanic. The long lines of green above blue and red are Oceanic all the way to very early EU.

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

btowl.7869:

nice golem rush on bg bl bay. Was better than all the Michael Bay Transformers movies

video please, gotta see it!

Someone recorded it, I think. It was pretty epic. BG golem rushed Bay with what looked like 5 omegas and another 5-10 alphas and we portal bombed them using 16 alpha golems.

Kaidengaran.3528:

SOR, stop complaining about coverage. You have NA/EU coverage stacked, we have OC/SEA stacked….it balances out.

It doesn’t balance out, at least not the way you think of it. See the difference here is that during SEA SoR can spare forces for SoR BL and EB. I’ve seen BG fill up 3 maps and then some for the fourth during this timezone. During NA BG still puts a large force on each four maps. Being an NA server, one in Tier 1, I don’t think any server really has population issues in NA. The reason why SoR’s NA generally ticks higher than BG is due to the advantages from Euro timezone.

You can say SoR’s NA is stacked, and rightfully, it is, however BG’s own NA force isn’t far behind. BT, KnT, ICoa, RISE + GoF and pugs can each easily field a large force on each map.

This is, of course, can seen in the evolution chart. BG has an average tick of anywhere from 220-260 during NA primetime (generally considered 4 P.M. PST to 9 P.M PST), which I would generally consider holding your shard, however during SEA team, SoR averages a 160-190ppt, which is less than holding your shard, which points to SoR SEA not having enough forces for other BLs and being forced to defend EB/SoRBL.

Also, looking at the evolution you can see SoR averages ~290 – 320 ppt NA prime with the highest peak being 390ppt. BG averages 340 – 380 ppt SEA time, highest peak 475.

Conclusion: SoR has the strongest NA, but not by much. BG has the strongest SEA, by a considerable amount. Was too lazy to factor in Oceanic/Euro, if someone else wants to do that feel free. You can say I’m biased cause I’m from SoR, ect., but evolution graphs are facts, not opinion, and I think I can safely say, backing up my claim with facts, that BG has a strong population in nearly all timezones outside EU(except when HB occasionally plays). Meanwhile SoR has a strong NA/EU base, but a low population Oceanic/SEA.

Also interesting read here, if you refuse to believe anything I say because I’m from SoR.

Mcrocha.3891:

So many people here spout off insults and hearsay that it is ridiculous. How about actually providing support for your arguments. You know like actual statistical proof.
Proof such as this: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/89

This is a score tracker for the BG/DB/SoR matchup this week. Notice the Score Evolution graph. It appears that BG begins to first have a real separation in the scores at about 8am on Saturday. That doesn’t really tell you much, but now look at the Income Evolution graph. On reset night the ppt is fairly close, but it documents the strong showing DB had out of the gate(gratz for picking on the “big boys” btw). As the night progresses BG takes the lead in ppt followed by SoR at around 1am. For the next couple of hours BG and SoR are tight in ppt while DB is falling off. At around 4am however, BG begins to climb and SoR falls rapidly. By 7:30 am BG has around a 250+ advantage over SoR (385-120). This ppt advantage continues for several hours, at some points reaching 300+ ppt spread for BG.

Then around 2:30 pm on Saturday SoR begins to lessen the gap a little. By 4pm SoR is only around 100+ ppt behind BG and finally near 8pm passes them and maintains an average lead of somewhere around 50-150ppt advantage until 1:30am on Sunday. The highest ppt spread for SoR during this period is about 200+ over BG. After this the cycle is showing signs it will repeat itself tonight.

Overall:
BG has an average ppt lead over SoR of about 250+ with much higher peaks too, which lasts for about 7hours (7:30 am-1:30pm)
SoR has an average ppt lead over BG of about 100+ with a peak around 200, which lasts for about 5 hours (8:30pm-1:30am)

These are the facts take them for what you will, but don’t just make blatant statements about coverage without any proof.
Sincerely,
An objective observer

aelflune.8590:

What happened to SoR unity and the great coordination?

You think, that when we say “unity” it means everyone has the exact same opinion and knows what we are all saying?

More like unity means we stick together through the hard and good times as a community, rather than get angry/leave.

aelflune.8590:

Doomdesire.9365:

I like how BG complains about PvD considering PvD is the only reason why they are here.

In fact, every server in this matchup…in this entire game for that matter, has PvD’d

Every server in T1 has PvD to get to where they are
BG and their ~10 weeks straight of PvD against SoR in T2
JQ and their ~7? weeks straight of PvD against SoR, BG, SoS in T1
SoR and their PvD during Euro timeslot for ~6? weeks

Every server in T1 PvDs daily
SoR – Euro
BG – Oceanic
JQ – Sea

Nobody here. Not JQ, not SoR, not BG has legitimate PvD complaints. We’ve all done it and we all know it. This is the state of T1. There’s no real timezone outside of NA where everyone can get together and actually compete. It’s more like timezone X logs on, ticks at 400ppt, logs off just in time for the enemy to log on and tick at 400ppt.

And for what it’s worth, don’t take this as a “trolling” attempt but there isn’t a timezone out there where BG is in last place in terms of coverage. You guys still have the second strongest EU, NA, and SEA, and the strongest OCEANIC and are able to maintain at least your shard during all timezones outside EU…most of the time

You’re right. SoR needs more EU, Oceanic, SEA and NA guilds.

PS: Love the shift in rhetoric from “We care about balanced match ups” to “Everyone was stacked too once a upon a time”. dat SoR PR machine. Work it

Love how you combined the words of someone from my server to mine like we are the same person.

Dat BG/JQ accusations machine. Work it

definitely isp problem. My wifi ethernet/phone port is in the other room so I just turned on my phone’s wifi hotspot…

Works like a charm.

If you have AT&T u verse try connecting to the internet via another means. That seems to be the solution.

Saruon.4085:

just wondering what isp does everyone have who is having the problem?

u verse, socal

Thief can solo alpha, lupi, complete some dungeons by himself. Doesn’t make it a good class though. In normal dungeons/speed runs they bring nothing to the table. Warriors have similar/arguably more multi target DPS, give might, fury, are tankier, banners, better ranged

Thief gets similar DPS at the cost of survivability,..venom share? and stealth.

Venom share is widely regarded as useless in a dungeon when you could have warrior banners, and stealth is sometimes considered a detriment because the buggy dungeons will sometimes have their bosses reset if the group stealths for even a second.