Guild Wars 2

Miss Firesss.3704:

I honestly expected more from a T1 server, that outnumbered us at least 3:1. :|

I hate to break it to you, but there are certain AC spots that can hit that particular area. Without a picture of where the AC was, there’s no way we can reach any conclusion.

Rane.4079:

So much nonsensical replies already, sigh.

Yes, playing well is going to beat a bad thief, I already stated that’s stupid to discuss. We are talking about good players of equal skill. Saying that “any class can beat a good D/P” is just complete nonsense, they can’t. I’m wondering if there is a single spec that can because I assure you most cannot.

“Perma stealth” is not an exploit and they aren’t any lesser of a person than you are for using it. You speak as if leap finisher in a smoke feild is a glitch that ANet didn’t program in intentionally. If anything the D/P theives are just smarter than you because they realise it’s the best roaming spec for Thief. If you want to play D/D or something because you enjoy it, that’s totally fine. But if you refuse to play D/P because you think those players are ‘lesser people’ than you – then you’re just bad (and childish).

Thanks Ross for the Mesmer perspective. I can see how a good condi or hybrid Mesmer would be a pain for them because both classes use very similar mechanics to outmuscle everyone else. I assume neither spec can prevent the other one from fleeing the fight if they want to though?

Every class can beat a D/P thief of equal skill. It’s fact. And it’s been done.

To all the SBI & SoS players this week, please don’t take PPT too seriously. WvW is a coverage war, nothing more, nothing less. It was great to see some new faces the other day. Go out and fight against the odds with less numbers, and you’ll have fun. That’s how we did it in T2 way back.

D/P is all about forcing them to drain their initiative. Really any class can do it if you play it smart. A perfect push/pull out of a smoke field before they heartseeker through it will screw them over hard.

This is gonna be interesting, especially with SoR’s high SEA commander fannwong training those at SBI who asked for it

Mohmohchan.4120:

Still on the look for a west coast NA guilds and EU guilds! Sanctum of Rall community

What the Rallians can offer:

1.) 300+ people day-in day out on teamspeak.
2.) Pure organization and Fun while playing.
3.) Server commanders. (Your commander is not around? Hop into our public channels with seasoned server commanders for all timezones)

Or hawaiian

dat stonemist

worth it

JQ probably has the biggest pug population, but don’t discredit the hard working guilds of JQ that managed to pull off the win. This is an extremely close matchup, anyone could have won if one day had gone just a little bit differently. I would like to see SoR get some late NA and OCX, and BG get some sea guilds, although the chances of the two servers getting any are low. All the OCX/SEA guilds in NA either hate T1 or are already in it.

It’s not over yet…

lol, who am i kidding…

If anyone wants to do some duels PM in game

I’d guess 70-80. I’ve never seen a zerg larger than that, even during reset when everyone is stacked on one guy.

Nobody would have trouble with seeing a transparent player, if you are, you need to check your eyes. Might as well remove stealth.

Simply put, the WvW developers aren’t allowed to make a GvG game mode. From what I gathered, they can’t make that decision, so the harsh criticism was undeserved, but be happy that they gave us a bone anyways and added this so we can still GvG.

dragon.8071:

Score update…

and bg still trying to recruit during oceanic time? sor needs guilds at this timezone not bg.

It’s not oceanic yet. What you’re seeing is BG late NA, which I think SoR could use more of.

Rafahil.2857:

If PW becomes an immobilize it’s not a nerf as long as it lasts long enough for the attack to complete.

You can always modify it to be longer with condition duration

Run DIRE or Carrion

> P/D

> Condition Food

> Spam stealth and caltrops

>???

> Profit!

Like it or not, people against zergs are a vocal minority. They wouldn’t exist in game if people didn’t like them.

Asudementio.8526:

Doomdesire.9365:

Gully.7358:

Doomdesire.9365:

Boulderbolg.3460:

BG has quite few roamers. We would like to see more roamers join SoR and JQ. SoR has been producing more, but not enough!

You mean BG has quite a few havoc squads.

If that is what you want to call 2-5 man groups, sure… Call it whatever you like!

1-2 mans could be considered roaming for the sake of clarity. Anything above that should be considered a havoc squad.

If that is the case then T1 has almost no roamers; they are mostly all havoc squads.

I don’t disagree.

Gully.7358:

Doomdesire.9365:

Boulderbolg.3460:

BG has quite few roamers. We would like to see more roamers join SoR and JQ. SoR has been producing more, but not enough!

You mean BG has quite a few havoc squads.

If that is what you want to call 2-5 man groups, sure… Call it whatever you like!

1-2 mans could be considered roaming for the sake of clarity. Anything above that should be considered a havoc squad up to 15 players, then it’s a zerg.

Boulderbolg.3460:

BG has quite few roamers. We would like to see more roamers join SoR and JQ. SoR has been producing more, but not enough!

You mean BG has quite a few havoc squads.

Caliburn.1845:

Doomdesire.9365

If you’re talking about how you guys lost your bay last night, I don’t have any regrets. BG golem rushed SoR hills in that map 3 times within 30 minutes, while JQ was hitting north hills. JQ would hit our north hills, and BG would hit south or lake tower. SoR was getting double teamed hard, however we did what was appropriate and defended in a smart manner. Eventually JQ got bored and hit BG, so we had had time for revenge. IIRC what screwed BG over was the fact that they took all the supply for the golems in their bay to 2v1 SoR…oh how that backfired on them. The irony….

No supply inside Bay was used to build those golems. And BG was attacking SoR Hills on JQ bl while wearing the outmanned buff with the intent to pull one of SoRs two main float forces onto the map.

What screwed BG over was JQ finally realizing BG was enormously outnumbered on the map and taking advantage of it.

Massively outnumbered? There was a map blob of at least 60 PLX + EE. Massively outnumbered my kitten . You had just as much as SoR and JQ.

Norr.7680:

Funny how all the server jumpers from BG are now bragging (or feeling more confident) now that finally we are losing……

Double teams are legit for sure but pluuuueeezzz don’t act like it takes some skill and make videos of a few moments in time, we wiped ALOT of JQ Zergs in their BL last night as well as SoR. But yes I agree we could not hang on to lead getting battered everywhere…..

Of course when the wheel turns and JQ and SOR start losing again who will jump servers again?

If you’re talking about how you guys lost your bay last night, I don’t have any regrets. BG golem rushed SoR hills in that map 3 times within 30 minutes, while JQ was hitting north hills. JQ would hit our north hills, and BG would hit south or lake tower. SoR was getting double teamed hard, however we did what was appropriate and defended in a smart manner. Eventually JQ got bored and hit BG, so we had had time for revenge. IIRC what screwed BG over was the fact that they took all the supply for the golems in their bay to 2v1 SoR…oh how that backfired on them. The irony….

I found heavy to be much more satisfying in zergs, as well as alot easier to play. Eles and Necros are essential, but extremely difficult to play in certain situations. For instance, garri fights and pushing through chokes. Eles have to push with the melee train, and end up taking too much damage. If they stay back, they die.

Thieves and Rangers are a total joke in WvW zerging though. Don’t even bother. Thieves should roam and rangers should reroll. That’s how you benefit the “zerg”, from my experiences.

I would rather they add a real GvG arena, separate from WvW but with the same gameplay mechanics, and the ability to pick gear such like sPvP(but with WvW builds). They could add weekly tournaments with entry fees being large amounts of gems per guild if they want to monetize it.

It’s a start, but it just looks like something done to shut up the GvG crowd, and it’ll probably work.

Carrion Pearl Staff(Masterwork)
Cleric’s Hammer of Air (Masterwork)
Rampager’s Dagger (Common)

Look at the current T1 matchups Anet. Everyone is within nearly 3K of each other. That’s what we want, not a BG SoS DB matchup that ends up being so lopsided it’s decided within the first few hours…

JJBigs.8456:

Certain servers, like SoR could possibly have guilds that would require you to do an all call for WvW or gkick, but its your decision where to go.

We don’t do all calls, but we have more hardcore WvW guilds than PvX guilds. ALL members of the large SoR hardcore WvW guilds are expected to WvW during event times every night, not PvEing or dungeons. Thankfully that’s the reason why there are multiple guilds on SoR, some PvX, some WvW. Find the right one for you.

Xcom.1926:

Doomdesire.9365:

They’re all pretty much the same. Make a free trial on each and see which you like more.

Pretty sure free trials ended on Sunday.

Oh, I see. Well then just pick whichever, you can’t go wrong.

They’re all pretty much the same. Make a free trial on each and see which you like more.

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

Ghoulina.2976:

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

Jet.4795:

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

WoW SoR that truce with JQ last night and the double-teaming seems to have backfired, GJ to JQ for jumping ahead of SoR to second place XD

There was a truce? I’m confused, lol last night all HzH and EMP did was push SOR garrison. LOL

Yup before i logged JQ and SoR had hit BG heavy on all maps we were down to 4 camps across all maps and 1 tower and 1 keep. So yup clear there was a truce since both servers hit BG at the same time on all maps. Normally JQ still lose out when they did passed truces with SoR, this time it was SoR that lost out and slipped to 3rd.

I think someone has their tinfoil hat on a little too tight. You’re the person yelling “We have spies” in /t as well aren’t you?

Dont believe i was talking about spys? I was talking about server’s making a truce to double team another server which is a legit WvW tactic. Maybe you dont understand this but thats fine.

Also if you’re seriously saying spying on other servers TS/map etc doesnt happen then you clearly dont WvW much. All servers have outted spys on there servers including people who have tried seige capping/ draining supplies to help other servers. Only last week BG finally got a guy perma banned for that, thanks to a dev spotting him walking lems off a cliff.

Actually there have been relatively few spies. They aren’t spying, they are trolling 99% of the time. Many of the people who do it troll on multiple servers. The guy who was siege trolling BG was confirmed to be doing on it SoR and JQ as they had the same guild tag IIRC.

People don’t actually relay spy info in TS. I think everyone would know if someone was spying by relaying info to hundreds players on a daily basis.

Jet.4795:

Doomdesire.9365:

Rhaegus.8924:

SoR…
How on earth do you guys fit 3 large guilds on 1BL. Are the devs on your server opening up extra queue space per border for you or something :-p that’s just insane
[HL], [HeL] AND [Choo]……we’re having trouble fielding even 1 and a half guild on the border :-/

Choo has maybe 20, HL under 30, Hel 15-20(EDIT: 21) where as HzH had a single, extremely large zerg.

Please do not be mistaken HzH as a guild is maxed at 34 que problems, EMP with 14 and with some militia we honestly just don’t know where our que is.

If that is the case, I apologize and stand corrected. We had queueing problems on SoR BL last night w/ a queue and outmanned buff.

Rhaegus.8924:

SoR…
How on earth do you guys fit 3 large guilds on 1BL. Are the devs on your server opening up extra queue space per border for you or something :-p that’s just insane
[HL], [HeL] AND [Choo]……we’re having trouble fielding even 1 and a half guild on the border :-/

Choo has maybe 20, HL under 30, Hel 15-20(EDIT: 21) where as HzH had a single, extremely large zerg.

Guardian > Warrior, imo

It also depends on what you like to do in wvw. If you like roaming thief would be optimal, but out of the two you listed warrior is better at roaming. Guardian is great at zerging and group fights, though. Also arguably tankier.

Sanduskel.1850:

No. I do fine with what we have.

You don’t want variety?

It needs to be 2s base. 1s is too little to make p/p effective.

If I were anet I would have just turned it into a blast finisher or a pulsing blind that the veteran scouts use. Although I guess pistol 5 offhand already does that.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Doomdesire.9365:

Robot Chocken.7012:

Screen of us taking out choo zoom hacking and notice the top left where their zerg is coming to defend said zoom hack ac. Lol really?

Please learn siege placement before you get people banned. You can see alot of the inner from that spot. Test it yourself.

I saw the range of it. It was a hack and it is exploiting. How about quit posting till people that do this learn some class?

You saw the range of it? Rofl. Considering I was the one using the AC, are you accusing me of zoom hacking?

FYI, zoom hack doesn’t affect range. If it did people would be building ACs inside garrison and hitting bay. It lets you peak over things and hit over walls. What you’re describing cannot even be done with a hack. So it either didn’t happen or it was done by the omega and 2ACs later put on the roof. Stop accusing people of hacking. Your posts don’t provide proof, only a picture of the AC which can be used to hit much of the inner wall.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Screen of us taking out choo zoom hacking and notice the top left where their zerg is coming to defend said zoom hack ac. Lol really?

Please learn siege placement before you get people banned. You can see alot of the inner from that spot. Test it yourself.

I remember when one of the old commanders just wiped a BG force of like 15 and was like “GJ GUYS WE JUST WIPED A BLOB WITH 30 PEOPLE”

A popular phrase some people use in SoR is “counting workshop”. The best are the scout reports that say 60 are on our watergate and it’s like 20 pugs with a normal flame ram.

Stealth.8150:

havnt done one of those in a while.
sor ts update

You left out the other part of the message where it said most have transferred on their own, only a few are left.

Le good fights tonight NS @ BGBL. Hope to see you on the field this week, with less skill lag. Reset is always a kitten.

It’s not really OP as it is profession roles.

Guardians excel at zerging. Without guardians in your zerg, you won’t get anything done. Same with eles.

You also have your roamers, thieves and mesmers notably. Most classes either have a particular role they are exceptional at or are decent at all roles. There isn’t a class that excels at everything.

Asudementio.8526:

Doomdesire.9365:

Tarnished Coast
#Number1emotespammers
#WorstRoamers

To those two thieves running from a 1v2 and spamming /laugh, lmfao.

At least we can roam is packs of less than 5-10 (this is the typical case with SoR as i very rarely run into roamers of less than 5). Take some lessons from JQ before you pass judgement on roamers- SoR from all of my encounters runs unless they outnumber you greatly.

SoR also could take some lessons in behavior. This forum all week has been plagued with their kitten and tantrums. Too hard to white knight when you are winning SoR? SoRe losers and SoRe winners.

SoR doesn’t claim to have high quality single roamer roaming. It’s a Tier 1 server. TC claims to have the best roamers, but they are all trash, lol. I don’t have a problem with BG or JQ because they don’t claim to have the top roamers, they are there for the WvW effort. Time and again TC hails themselves as the top roamer quality in NA. It’s not even close, lol.

Not to mention the emote spamming is ridiculous. I can’t see half the things in map chat because across the map 5 TC are spamming emotes.

TC, Love guild, please stop glitching into klovan. Kthx.

Tarnished Coast
#Number1emotespammers
#WorstRoamers

To those two thieves running from a 1v2 and spamming /laugh, lmfao.

JQ is a great PvE server with WvW based elements.

KOPPER.1458:

“Also, to the BG posters underestimating the loss of MERC. Prior to losing MERC BG would tick at 400 PPT all week in a 1v1 against SoR. This week SoR’s SEA has ticked up to 500 PPT. If that’s not portraying the impact MERC had on the matchup, then nothing will.”

It’s been a week, give it time. It had an impact, we’ll see how much soon enough.

No doubt it’s only been a week, but I’m still skeptical. I’ve been in guilds where the main commander would disappear, and even though we had alot of other commanders and officers, it was never truly the same. People follow the lead commanders, that’s for sure, and when they peace out numbers drop.

renmei.3102:

I would urge people not to count BG out yet just because of this week’s performance, the score was pretty kitten close until the wvw servers went down. When they came up BG made some bizarre and incomprehensible choices that allowed their own bl to be tri-keeped and triple way pointed while they were busy rampaging around TC’s bl capping everything and trying to push SOR’s bl hard but not getting anywhere and not paying attention to their own map..? Their wvw population is still there.. just doing really dumb things. We’ll see if they bounce back like they have in the past.

And SOR does have the best community, I’ll give zero kittens if we come in 3rd during the leagues as long as we’re having fun.

They had KnT and EE map blob on BG BL. I wouldn’t say they weren’t paying attention to their own map.

havoc squads lol

The first thing you will learn are that havoc squads prey on low numbers/solo roamers or unorganized small groups. It’s no different from the zerg mechanic, only that havoc squads field less. Occasionally havoc squad meets other havoc squad, but the majority of times it’s not how it plays out.

Jet.4795:

I will say though that, People that talk about our big influx of guilds. SoR still has a very good chance of beating us. With SoR’s 2 EU guilds vs our 0. That will put our NA back to the test. So do not count out SoR they can put a lot of pressure on us during all timezones if they want to. Especially in EU/NA.

What happened to GD?

Also, to the BG posters underestimating the loss of MERC. Prior to losing MERC BG would tick at 400 PPT all week in a 1v1 against SoR. This week SoR’s SEA has ticked up to 500 PPT. If that’s not portraying the impact MERC had on the matchup, then nothing will.

GekoHayate.2451:

Doomdesire.9365:

One of the easiest SoR guilds to roll that took your garri from an EE and KNT map blob after wiping them twice inside it during NA then proceeded to WIPE BG and TC forces off the map at the same time and tripple waypointed your BL then defended through NA the next day against map blobs with TW and later by themselves?

I think you are mad, friend.

Something I wasn’t online for, why would I be mad about that?

Blob seems to be the new buzzword, what exactly are we defining a blob as? “CHoo R gud, cus dey udder gais Blob not as gud” Is that 15-20 KnT and 10-20 EE? Less? More? What is CHoo running in comparison? How many non-CHoo are running with them? Could you by chance be a little more accurate with the numbers if you are going to use them as evidence for your point instead of dismissing them as blobs, zergballs, etc etc? Now I’m sure it was only Choo and TW doing the capping and waypointing while locking down the map, no other SoR guilds factored into Sor’s success in BGBL. This is mild sarcasm.

I still stand by my previous statement, Choo is one of the easiest SoR guilds to roll open field. They do a single, strong, but easily avoidable push and then their organization falls apart once their one trick fails to work. Which is why I was hinting at the irony of a Choo player attempting to lord over SoR’s collective success over the “trash-talking BG scrubs”.

Do you not see the irony?

Sure you can take this as an angry response to a non-gold medal finish (projecting much?) or you can take this for what it is, a response to a slow to adapt loot bag chest-thumping over other loot bags. And also a not so subtle hint that some open field strategies need to be reviewed as they are ineffective (or at least need to be diversified), especially when they fail time and time again. Failures that can now be addressed and improved upon.

I’m totally fuming.

I’m sorry I can’t hear you over these T3 walls. And the trash talking response was a reply as one of the former BG members told us in TS EE was “laughing” at us while they were getting farmed all night. So we took their garrison against 50-60 EE+KNT and wiped them off the map. Also Choo took the garrison and WP’d it, TW helped defend it the next day.

FYI, you seem distraught. I know it’s a normal human response to talk smack after you lost, but no need to type a wall of angry text

And yes, I think EE and KnT are exceptional guilds. You win some you lose some, can’t have it all. We’ve been wiped by them, and we’ve wiped them.

selan.8354:

Avenge.1478:

selan.8354:

jq just bought another guilf from fa and i think some from tc. even sor wasnt this overstacked when we faced them a week ago. they are going crazy with buying guilds atm.

Who’d they pull over this time?

RQ and Rise

RISE went to sor