Guild Wars 2

CuddleStrike.8215:

Doomdesire.9365:

Hockey.2417:

I like how Choo is acting all buthurt in Obsidian Sanctum arena……….lmao, how does t2 server feel? it make you a lil mad, TC kickin your Kitten?

kitten? We just came to give cuddles hugs!

Those snuggles were fierce.

I insist you stop and RP now with us. Cause clearly this area was designed for RPing battles and not actual battles.

Kthx

:P

We’re LARPING!

Hockey.2417:

I like how Choo is acting all buthurt in Obsidian Sanctum arena……….lmao, how does t2 server feel? it make you a lil mad, TC kickin your Kitten?

kitten? We just came to give cuddles hugs!

ME AND MY FRIENDS CAME TO GIVE YOU HUGS CUDDLESTRIKE

The arena middle area is HUGE. Big enough so that low HP person can reset and still be in the flat circle area. What do people think should be considered “out of bounds”? I mean like, if there were no out of bounds area we’re looking at the old, south GvG area + pretty much the entire spider forest in terms of size.

No, leagues effectively killed some servers, especially the lower tiered ones. Unless Anet wants to merge servers it’s a bad idea.

Balefire.7592:

Presumably, we can’t name our own guilds, right? Right? nudges Derm
Is Redguard fair game?

What are you doing? Get in WVW! /gkick

Seigfried.5938:

Now we need a thread for guild of the year!

Done! Nominate one for EU, or one for NA, and why?

For me, it’s got to be a toss up between IRON & AGG. Iron for making the once barren EU timezone in NA into a thriving community with their presence and AGG for making the NA GvG scene interesting and sticking the middle finger to PPT.

1 Rule) Can’t nominate your own guild!

kurtosis.9526:

rather than a single instant big influx of guilds from an imploding server that shot them up to T1.

wat

you realize that, this is tier 1, right? BG/SoR are only in T1 because of SBI/SoS implosion…

Tricare.2946:

Some fights against SoR and TC ‘awesome roamers’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep1V23W7IOM

what guardian build are you using?

When leagues are over there is going to be a ton of movement. There are very long queues atm on BG & JQ. People eventually get tired of that and leave.

Seigfried.5938:

Now we need a thread for guild of the year!

inb4 redguard

It was a disappointment. Brought out the worst in people. Siege trolls, spies, buying of guilds, flocking to the winning server, hackers. It killed so many servers.

Unlikely SoR will move to Tier 2. 1v1 scenarios TC vs. SoR will tick at 500+ PPT during all of sea into EU. The reason why SoR is losing is because during a JQ/SoR matchup that 500+ PPT ticks turn into sub 200 ticks. Also post leagues there will be movement, and I can tell you right now there are some pretty significant guilds looking to join SoR’s ranks.

Why does BG always say this? JQ/SoR playing dead? We aren’t playing dead, we just don’t have the coverage you do. We still have coverage gaps. There are times when we don’t even have a commander online, nonetheless 20 people in teamspeak. We don’t even have a power house EU guild anymore. Maybe if you tried to even out the population instead of stacking we would have a more healthy T1 competition…

It’s like 70 people zerging down RIOT and when RIOT leaves the map, they ask, why is RIOT playing dead?(Sorry RIOT, had to use you guys as an example)

Leviathan.8029:

I just want to say thank you to SoR.
I’ve had some great times on the server since we moved here back in April.
The time has come for us to move on.. purely for what’s best for the guild, it has nothing to do with the server or anything.

Good luck in the future and thanks for the great times!

Love,
~ Tiffin

Come back and visit us sometime

Good luck on Gunnar’s Hold

Evalana.5480:

Great fights, Choo! ♥

Thanks for the GvG

I tried recording it but there were a lot of spectators and my FPS dropped uncomfortably low. (that and my fraps hotkey apparently doubles as my TS PTT – uber fail, lmfao)

AND Y U MOA ME?! QQ (lol) I went to dodge and I was like mid dodge and my skills disappeared and I was like “**** I just got moa’d” and you got me just before the skills popped up for me to escape. So mean </3

Thank you we had alot of fun! Sorry about the moa, we couldn’t let you mist form/plague away :P

We look forward to fighting you again Ark, and we appreciate the opportunity to fight one of the best guilds NA. For anyone wondering the final score was choo 3-4 ark (I think?)

It’s more likely for an anet dev to be located in T1 because T1 accounts for the majority of the WvW population…

Imagine if you were looking for person X. Where would they likely be? New York City or Louisville?

Andrew Clear.1750:

Doomdesire.9365:

You can’t get the rewards anyways, but there still shouldn’t be transfers during leagues because of the potential for imbalance.

We all know of a certain server that ruined an already balanced leagues with their buying of a certain guild, let’s not let that happen in S2.

This is the kind of behavior that I have been complaining about on these forums. I swear T1 servers live in a bubble, and think that they are God’s gift to WvW.

“potential for imbalance”

There was a lot of imbalance way before leagues even started, in the “lower class of servers.” Guess we all can’t be as good as the balanced 3 at the top. The reality is, your server, and the other 3 that live in the bubble, have gone out and recruiting guilds to your servers. This had lead to even greater imbalances across WvW.

And you have the audacity to act like a victim.

A relatively small amount of T1 recruited guilds have come from the bottom tiers. It’s not like T1 took all your guilds. Most of these guilds have always been original guilds from that said server, or T1 guilds and simply hopped to the next T1 server when theirs died. The reason why there is imbalance in the bottom tiers is because the game is dying, and unlike the massive population servers, lower tier servers don’t have people to replace them. The only real imbalance of T1 vs. Lower tiers is the difference between rank 1,2,&3 to 4,5,&6, as someone thought it would be a great idea to match T1 servers with T2.

Keep in mind nobody in T1 didn’t want a league with 2 tiers in it. We wanted a league just for Tier 1 to keep it balanced.

You can’t get the rewards anyways, but there still shouldn’t be transfers during leagues because of the potential for imbalance.

We all know of a certain server that ruined an already balanced leagues with their buying of a certain guild, let’s not let that happen in S2.

Greetings all, SoR is still looking for LATE NA/OCX/SEA/EU to accompany us on our future endeavors.

NICKEZ.3671:

Slomoshun.6317:

NICKEZ.3671:

sssstrick.9283:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Thanks SoR for all the fights today in Eternal Battlegrounds! It was an awesome 3-way fight for SMC (although Maguuma was a non-factor) and the Zombie Coast I’m happy to say claimed victory! You guys put up a good effort today against us. We purposely hunted you down the whole time since you let the Maggie Bears get everything T3/no resistance, pick on the Maggie Bears more ya know? Anyhow, I had a great time commanding the TC zerg against you hopefully another day later this week we will have a rematch, until then…

What an epic day in history for you Chuu! Now tell us about during reset when [Choo] was wiping [CERN] zerg over and over with 5:1 ratio! You remember right? SoRBL? meh, whatever tho.. if you still don’t remember I’m sure Nightlight does.

Lulz. We were wiping Choo at least while I was online. Regardless, pretty boring reset night. TC is getting used to the 2v1s but come on, man up.

Were you only on for 30 minutes after reset?

Wiped you several times in the first 2 hours.

kitten happens when there’s 40 CHOO & 30 IRON running separate groups versus an omniblob of 70 TC.

If you have something to prove you’re welcome to ask for a GvG, otherwise don’t talk trash.

Ogre.1750:

PredatoR.5247:

need help getting most of the guilds out of the PPT mindset and out of Gold League
most GvG’s dont happen in NA gold league is because “indo xyz” is a dictator in sanctum of rall, who for some reason is deemed a God. Anyway, GvG’s aren’t allowed to happen unless he gives the okay, I have heard this from every guild on SoR.

“We can do wednesday, but it depends if Indo says it is ok”.

-facepalm-

One does not simply kill the indo

All these arguments about roaming and dueling…

GW2 is Build Wars 2. 90% of the time the player with the better(cheesier?) build will win. It’s useless in arguing who is better unless you both run the same class and the same build. I still have my troll thief build which has only failed twice in a 1v1 and always comes out on top.

The problem is that Anet made pistol mainhand a condition weapon, and p/p is not generally a condition weapon set.

If anet wants it to be successful at all it needs a damage increase for it’s autoattack, at the cost of buffing an arguably already balanced P/D set.

eithinan.9841:

disagree.

Conditions can be cleansed, white damage can be mitigated by toughness. If conditions were mitigated by toughness then the cleanses would need to be adjusted to not wipe out a full 25 stack of bleeds or vulns or confusions for balance.

You are right that condition damage can “condition damage and duration can be stacked to absurd amounts” but duration is again entirely mitigated by cleanses wiping out full stacks. The key thing is if a Damage Over Time power is wiped out when the stacks are high without them sitting for much TIME, then you ruined the enemies rotation and spike damage.

^^^this was for roaming and dueling.

For zerging, condition duration is almost meaningless considering all the random cleanses flying, and in organized groups not so random.

You are correct that no single cc should have more than a few seconds of duration. I do not think any single one does TBH in GW2. Not sure about that. But multiple cc in WvW is a result of not having one of those common timers where you are immune to CC in other mmo’s.

I am glad for that TBH. I think in large scale combat that would be a mechanic that would break the game though. I like the thought that an organized group can chain cc a bunch of bad players with no real stability of stun breaks on their button bar. Thats what the baddies have sacrificed for those big deeps and tons of huge numbers on their screen.

I agree 100%

If condis are mitigated by toughness, clensing needs to be removed or drastically changed.

Also if it was affected by toughness no condi build would ever be able to kill condi reduction tank warriors, ever.

Replace it with kills! KPT

1 kill = one point, no need to stomp,

Liquid.9672:

Doomdesire.9365:

eithinan.9841:

akamon.2769:

SNUGGLES!!!!!

don’t quit till the naysayers say yay!

sadly, you won’t see me tonight. but HEY i am there in spirit.
GOOO SoR!

for those BG talking about SoR losing spirit and giving up and not putting up fights, please don’t undermine the time and efforts of those on SoR that still put in amazing hard work each and every single day. : ))

but if it’s to offer a little inspiration, by all means, go for it.

[edited for clarity]

I think the majority of negative things being said about SOR this week and last, is about the players who decided not to play for one reason or another. I personally appreciate every SOR player who is still coming out for the fights.

Specifically [choo]. They have a deep roster and they have consistently put a solid force out on the maps over the last few weeks. You guys are also always fun to compete against if BG has a solid force or I am running with my guild.

Whats a deep roster?

Lots of dudes and hopefully a few ladies with nice voices.

Just curious, numbers wise, what do people consider a small, medium, large, or huge roster?

For example

10 – small
50 – medium
100- large
500+ – huge

eithinan.9841:

akamon.2769:

SNUGGLES!!!!!

don’t quit till the naysayers say yay!

sadly, you won’t see me tonight. but HEY i am there in spirit.
GOOO SoR!

for those BG talking about SoR losing spirit and giving up and not putting up fights, please don’t undermine the time and efforts of those on SoR that still put in amazing hard work each and every single day. : ))

but if it’s to offer a little inspiration, by all means, go for it.

[edited for clarity]

I think the majority of negative things being said about SOR this week and last, is about the players who decided not to play for one reason or another. I personally appreciate every SOR player who is still coming out for the fights.

Specifically [choo]. They have a deep roster and they have consistently put a solid force out on the maps over the last few weeks. You guys are also always fun to compete against if BG has a solid force or I am running with my guild.

Whats a deep roster?

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

It is this exact elitist attitude that proves my point.

JaredKincade.9761:

Today, two more myths were busted
That SOR murders BG in open field fights.

That BG blobs more than SOR.

JaredKincade.9761:

We don’t suck in open field, we take the lead with it.

JaredKincade.9761:

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

JaredKincade.9761:

Keep sending us the bags in BGBL. We ate your entire map zergs over and over and over and over and you never took it.

JaredKincade.9761:

Blackgate takes it as a compliment you guys have to do things like this to beat us.

I’m sorry were we talking about elitist attitudes jared?

I almost can’t believe you said what you said, and then posted ^that^ to counter the argument that you’re elitist. But alas, this is the comedy gold these threads are littered with.

I’m elitist. Nothing witheld. Never said I wasn’t. Just pointing out his hypocrisy calling people elitist with him in fact, being elitist. That, in fact, is comedic gold

Anything else?

JaredKincade.9761:

It is this exact elitist attitude that proves my point.

JaredKincade.9761:

Today, two more myths were busted
That SOR murders BG in open field fights.

That BG blobs more than SOR.

JaredKincade.9761:

We don’t suck in open field, we take the lead with it.

JaredKincade.9761:

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

JaredKincade.9761:

Keep sending us the bags in BGBL. We ate your entire map zergs over and over and over and over and you never took it.

JaredKincade.9761:

Blackgate takes it as a compliment you guys have to do things like this to beat us.

I’m sorry were we talking about elitist attitudes jared?

Kiff.8157:

Doomdesire.9365

That’s the difference between BG & SoR. BG guilds are PvX and recruit as many people as they can. More people = more ppt

SoR is hardcore WvW orientated with a bigger focus on guild quality. CHOO/TW/FEAR/Hel/IRON/ONE/RISE are all under 150 quality members each and are hardcore WvW. We like to keep it that way. We don’t have a warchest. We don’t buy guilds. We don’t field insane numbers into oceanic, or massively recruit. But at the end of the day, we keep our dignity. Grats on the finisher, Blackgate. See you tomorrow during NA.

Then why are sor crying about BG stacking when SOR are focusing on quality and decent fight? Isn’t it better if the opponent shows no quality and you get to show them what is the real skill? I don’t understand, this is like the puzzle of the century.

It’s a mixture of both. We can be like BG when it comes to PPT, but at the end of the day, we aren’t going to ruin our guilds by recruiting PvErs who are there for the free ride, nor will we buy guilds for PPT. We run tagless with our guild and have fun. That’s exactly what we did today. Had the pleasure of fighting OnS and KNT blob today with 30 CHOO, 20 TW, 25 ONE running separately. At the end of the day, it comes down to having fun. The health of our server > PPT. PPT is second to fun. Why do you think practically no major guild has left SoR? The only one I can think of at the top of my head is KISS, who went back to EU. It’s also the reason why SoR climbed from rank 17 to 1(well, 3 now or w/e it is). Unlike BG and JQ, we don’t have a massive PvE population to carry us, nor do we want to be carried by people who won’t be at our backs when we need them. We work with what we have, and that’s mostly the guilds alone.

Just the fact that the majority of rB left blackgate after a few weeks of it’s community and went to SoR says alot.

JaredKincade.9761:

I thought we only won the first week because we simultaneously 2v1ed both JQ and SOR.

Or we only won because we attacked their TS.

Everyone forgets that we lost TKG, MERC, SUPR, RISE rB and RICH within two to three weeks of League starting.

We’ve gained EE, Zero and ZDs.

No, the difference in the numbers you are seeing in the BL is not “buygate”.

We do not detag to discourage our “new WvW players”. We teach them, get them into TS and recruit them into the WvW guilds. All of our WvW guilds have gained in numbers throughout the last three weeks, while SORs map numbers have slowly shrunk.

Its true once or twice when defending garrison we’ve asked achievement hunters to get off if they aren’t on a lvl 80 but it is not the norm of our server at all.

BG has a very large PvE community. We had a large one before Teq, but now its much much larger. Why?

Because the leaders (not myself) of BG were smart enough to open our WvW TS up for the PvE players to use and coordinate to take down Teq. In fact, two of our best WvW commanders became consistent Teq raid leaders and got a huge influx into their guilds because of it. BAM GW2 announces on their facebook page how awesome BG is in PvE and we have a huge influx of PvEers transfer over from everywhere, because everyone wants to beat Teq while they can still get the achievements.

Now comes the part where ANET makes achievements that have a limited time window that can only be done in WvW, aka League. (this is after they give “awesome” chests out for every 500 achievement points you gain). What did you think would happen, all those PvEers flocked into our WvW maps.

Do we complain? Do we detag? No, we do everything we can to show the fresh meat how awesome WvW is by organizing massive TS permission drives for our new players to get into TS. All our WvW guilds recruit like crazy. Some guilds get so full, the only time they can all fit is off hours, like Oceanic or late EU.

Don’t blame BGs influx of numbers on a zerg of 30 Russians. We’ve been working on reaching out for new WvW blood for months, and its starting to hit critical mass.

And for the love of Pete, don’t blame low SOR ticks during NA or Oceanic on that zerg of 30 Russians who are asleep or at work.

That’s the difference between BG & SoR. BG guilds are PvX and recruit as many people as they can. More people = more ppt

SoR is hardcore WvW orientated with a bigger focus on guild quality. CHOO/TW/FEAR/Hel/IRON/ONE/RISE are all under 150 quality members each and are hardcore WvW. We like to keep it that way. We don’t have a warchest. We don’t buy guilds. We don’t field insane numbers into oceanic, or massively recruit. But at the end of the day, we keep our dignity. Grats on the finisher, Blackgate. See you tomorrow during NA.

Warrior isn’t fun at all. I hate that class. It’s the easiest class in PvE and soon is becoming the easiest class in sPvP/WvW

Spam 100B in PvE and win

Spam Stuns in PvP and win

Personally I think guardian is the most fun class. You should roll a guardian.

MagiKarp.8201:

OH WOW GEE A SERVER FUNDRAISING INGAME GOLD OMG SCANDALOUS.

Can’t tell you the multitudes of times I’ve been in meetings telling guilds we have some gold but nowhere near enough to help you get across, we can’t all be Jade Quarry and suddenly have someone splurge 40k gold from ebay to pay for transfers.

If you want to see a warchest try finding that JQ dude.

Well, RISE did just tell us that BG tried to buy back RISE at ~90G per member. Seems like you guys have the money.

MagiKarp.8201:

Cirus.5748:

juicifruitz.6251:

celeron.3469:

juicifruitz.6251:

Just because you weren’t privy to something doesn’t mean it did or didn’t happen.

At the end of the day your picking on one tiny wincy aspect of my post, and completely ignoring that the whole entire reason it was brought back up again was, because members of your current server, and newer members of SoS have said SOR was the sole reason SOS imploded, at that time, which I was stating is utterly incorrect, and at the same time, also point to the fact that if the SoS people really wanted to hate a server they should perhaps look at BG since your, now current, server took the lions share of the SOS WvW guilds compared to SOR, JQ, TC and FA.

So please don’t be getting your knickers in a knot because of the small aspect of my post. but by all means please try to point out where in my reasoning that it, if there be any server that, should SoS hate a server more, when presented with the facts, it should actually be BG.

It looks like you still ignore half of my first post saying the same thing you’re complaining that I’ve ignored. Go read it again, JQ was a very large reason for all of those transfers.

Also “not privy” is hilarious. I’ve specifically been talking about AoI, I have not once mentioned anything regarding MERC, for example, being “bought.” Which btw, was the entire reason this buying guilds thing ever came about. When MERC posted that BG helped them pay transfer costs for some of their members. This isn’t even close to a secret. However you’ve got some twisted revisionist history, where most of the guilds were bought and only you know which ones.

Protip: You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Protip: your still ignoring the fact the BG took, stole, bought, borrowed, received, how ever you want to word it the largest amount of guilds causing SoS to implode more than any other server, thus what my post was actually about. But you being so pro and all would know that and wouldn’t go on for 3/4 posts about the wording I used… Oh wait ….

This simply is not true.

Neither Blackgate nor Sanctum of Rall had anything to do with SoS imploding.

Jade Quarry had stacked itself to the point that it was winning match ups by more than 150k points, and they didn’t even need to try. (destroying tier 1 and the 2 competition in the process)

MERC wanted to move, and discussed moving with some of it’s close allies (ND and AOI) to move together. MERC approached Blackgate, and Blackgate (like any other server such as Sanctum of Rall) were welcoming to these guilds and gave the gold they had available to assist these guilds.

In the end MERC received a few hundred gold for the entire guild, and brought over more than 200 active hardcore WvW’ers. The gold received was so small that it wasn’t enough to subsidise the members. It would not have been more than 2 gold per member, when the cost of transferring was 45 gold per member.

So because the gold was so small and was not even enough to make a difference in subsidising members, it went to the guild bank to be used for WvW utilities. To pay for the transfers, MERC’s had to farm their own gold in CoF for a week.

And I know this because I was on Sea of Sorrows since release, I was both in MERC and AOI while on SoS, and I was in both guilds at the time of transfer.

The notion of Blackgate, buying, stealing, borrowing guilds is ridiculous and couldn’t be further from reality.

During the period of the transfer, some Sanctum of Rall posters were accusing Blackgate of buying guilds and thus doing shady business. (being the dirty cheating server that Blackgate is) Some MERC members responded to these rumours by posting exaggerated figures on the forums to enrage the Rallian keyboard warriors.

E.g a forum post from a MERC commander “I can confirm that MERC’s 1000 Oceanic members received over 20,000g from Blackgate to transfer over”

It was humour that may have been lost on some serious people!

I can confirm, that 300g we got really helped buy every MERC member to BG.

Lel, it’s funny BG’s “Warchest” is so big that it managed to fund 1.5g per member which is a whopping 2.5% of the transfer cost at the time.

#Buygate

When people refer to BG’s warchest they mean the relatively recent, popular image of one of BG’s leaders hosting a server fund for transfers. Of course this was post MERC transfer. That was a long time ago.

TBH, if you’re using SR to escape, you’re doing it wrong. It’s best when used in combat. After all, you just need 4s of stealth to create a large enough gap to leave. It’s effective because it’s great to save downed allied, and gives you time to regain initiative.

I wouldn’t made the change you are proposing except it should heal more than 4K.

Let’s assume a thief has 30 into SA. That means 16s stealth from SR, and ~300 healing base in stealth(SA line gives healing power, but I left that out as I was too lazy to do the math) SR heals for a total of 1420.

16 X 300 = 4800 + 1420 = 6220

The new figures would be

300 X 8 = 2400 + 4000 = 6400

The numbers are pretty even. Maybe that was your intent, but IMO, if you reduce the length of stealth given from SR, you should give it more total healing as a buff. Logic would dictate that since you lose 50% stealth time, you should gain 50% more healing, so somewhere in the region of 9000 total healing @ base. This would increase the usefulness of SR in combat, while nerfing the long stealth duration, which would mean 6600 from SR itself, not including shadow’s reguvenation.

With that said, if you don’t have 30 into SA, SR would do alot more for you with your suggestion at 4000 healing total.

tl;dr
OP’s suggested change bad for SA traitline users, good for non SA traitline users.

If you’re talking about actual immobilize, then it got a pretty big buff. It now stacks up to 5 times. This does two things:

A) Immobilizes last much longer

B) People now have a bigger incentive to use immobilize, meaning more people will be running it, which equates to more immobilize on your end.

For the most part, the spec I run got a pretty significant buff. P/D users don’t rely on heavy stealth(well the good ones don’t). It relies on perfect timing of immobilize, kiting through distance, and tons of cripple through caltrops.

I am a little annoyed by the vigor nerf, but it’s nothing I can’t handle.

First off, we need to change queue so that it’s actually a queue, not a randomly selected group of players, then we can add estimates. Otherwise it’s mostly useless.

fishball.7204:

Doomdesire.9365:

zhonnika.1784:

JQ and SoR ts are run by the same dude, but not on the same server. For the record. JQ’s ts has been DDOS’d daily for about the last 6 weeks, usually during important pushes.

Yep. Same dude, different servers. He(us) aren’t idiots. We know when it’s a DDOS. Especially when an attack wipes 70 Terabytes(that’s right, 70 TB. A DDOS attack on our TS wiped 70TB of DATA from the provider.) of DATA and forces the TS to close for over a week. That was a very costly and annoying, not to mention downright low act. It’s a game, that’s fine and people can have competition, but seriously when you’re attacking providers simply because they provide TS for us, it’s pathetic.

You need 70TB of space to host teamspeak? o_O

Are you sure it’s not a hidden “video” collection? :P

Hell if I know why there’s 70 TB. That’s what we were told, and that’s why they closed our TS. The provider hosts a ton of TS’ across multiple games though. It’s not just JQ and SoR. There’s probably a lot of other things he/they also host besides TS as well.

zhonnika.1784:

JQ and SoR ts are run by the same dude, but not on the same server. For the record. JQ’s ts has been DDOS’d daily for about the last 6 weeks, usually during important pushes.

Yep. Same dude, different servers. He(us) aren’t idiots. We know when it’s a DDOS. Especially when an attack wipes 70 Terabytes(that’s right, 70 TB. A DDOS attack on our TS wiped 70TB of DATA from the provider.) of DATA and forces the TS to close for over a week. That was a very costly and annoying, not to mention downright low act. It’s a game, that’s fine and people can have competition, but seriously when you’re attacking providers simply because they provide TS for us, it’s pathetic.

I do not think we should nerf vigor for the thief. I can understand the nerf to perma stealth initiative gaining thieves, but now that stealth heavy builds are greatly reduced, we should be giving thieves more evades, not less. Just my personal opinion.

The biggest annoyance as a P/D thief are the engis that are immune to conditions under 25% HP. I usually run a P/D and D/D with sigil of intelligence on the D/D set. Can get 4K backstabs with full carrion.

Also, use sigil of fire on your pistol, if you haven’t already. It’s a nice little chunk of DPS, and if you run ascended rabid/dire trinks, it activates very frequently.

Depends on what you mean by best burst.

Raw Damage – warrior

Best Burst considering all other factors – thief

Also depends on what class/build you are ganking. Don’t expect to burst down a full PTV guardian or warrior.

I’ve a feeling in the future Tier 1 NA will have huge amounts of EU guilds. Few have already come over. Some have liked it, some have not. But keep in mind in T1 EU the queue times are ridiculous. Blows T1 NA queue times out of the water. The skill lag is much worse. EU guilds are eventually going to venture outside of EU and visit NA. Many will like it, many won’t, but when things start kicking off, T1 NA will have a huge EU community, just like in the EU servers. All it takes are 4-5 solid EU guilds transferring within a short amount of time together to make the EU timezone as competitive as NA timezone.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Doomdesire.9365:

WM did OT and BG was ticking at 400+ PPT during EU pretty much every day. That’s why IRON transferred when they did. It was pretty justified, too. KISS came out of no where, so there’s not much to say about that, but they aren’t a prescense anymore.

I wouldn’t consider transferring to a time zone with no native pop. justified. Also pretty peculiar for people who claim to play for the fights. Point is, IRON didn’t end up fighting Euros when they transferred (or anyone, for that matter. The new BG strat after IRON transferred was to exploit “Hawaiin time”). The match histories don’t lie. Luckily, HB got rezzed soon after.

IRON didn’t transfer to sor to fight EU. They transferred to SoR because we needed the help the most, especially during that timeslot, because WM was causing BG to tick extremely high during EU. They’ve said it themselves when they transfferred here on the forums. SoR needed help the most, that’s why they joined us. It was both a logical and justified decision. IRON was dying in EU(actually the official EU IRON is dead, the ones that transferred was a fraction of the original IRON IIRC), and they wanted to move to NA. SoR offerred the best option for them.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Kiltor.9362:

Neuromancer.2148:

dwahvel.7356:

You can’t be serious…..if I recall correctly bg was the only NA server to have ANY EU guilds playing on it. It was a couple also. The bg SEA/EU push would end the sor/bg matchup on day one. 17 straight wins over sor (early 2013).
Iron was the first eu guild to play on sor and we were the third place server at the time.

Then HB went inactive leaving just RK to contend with massive IRON zergs. HB came back although with scheduled sporadic runs and SoR’s EU has been dominant ever since.

so IRON moves to a server where RK and HB are there to fight and then they go inactive and you think you would have the same numbers to fight? Cmon common sense, reason why IRON had more is cause you lost a big euro guild, plain and simple. IRON is the only major guild 30+ members to join sor at the euro time slot. ask yourselves what major guilds have moved to your server and there numbers. SoR is used to waking up in NA to see it all flipped. we have fought through it before and it is nothing new.

HB was inactive before IRON transferred over, and RK is like a third of their numbers.

It’s obvious that IRON were uncontested in that time zone, just look at their PPT the first week they were there.

What really happened was that EU was empty for all three servers, more or less, and that BG was winning because after gaining ground in SEA (a far more populated time zone with SoR and JQ), no one was there to flip anything for the next couple of hours as we transitioned into EU. When IRON joined SoR’s EU, they were flipping things uncontested and holding them until we transitioned into SoR’s stacked NA. Hence, their winning.

HB and RK can match IRON’s numbers together like every second day, and still SoR got more EU. KISS, when they transferred, could field 30+ as well. BG relied on late PST/early OCX to counter the double time zone stack of SoR EU/NA.

I’m surprised that people have forgotten. All of this was well documented in the thread QQ’s at the time. Within a month or so 1st place changed hands from JQ to BG to SoR. First with WM, then with IRON.

WM did OT and BG was ticking at 400+ PPT during EU pretty much every day. That’s why IRON transferred when they did. It was pretty justified, too. KISS came out of no where, so there’s not much to say about that, but they aren’t a prescense anymore.

rush.1492:

kaisez.4968:

Omg i cannot win this maguma ultra-super power open field tactic ** .. sorry Jq we have to learn from them …
I understand why price of Sup Ac going up so fast….

Too soon

RIP Breaking Bad :c

Krakah.3582:

Doomdesire.9365:

Matchups part of the forums needs to be deleted

You may be right since SoR forum warriors are trolling their own server.

o.O

No, they just need to be deleted. There’s no because sor was or because bg was. It’s a kittenfest in here. These forums are only a place of trash talking.

Matchups part of the forums needs to be deleted