Guild Wars 2

Zenith.7301:

Yeah, nothing more funny than privileged warriors and thieves wanting their burst specs to counter and deal with everything.

Privileged warriors you say? tell me again how they are bottom of the barrel for all pvp? Burst cant compete because put simple bursting needs careful planning to line up without getting owned by a half decent team. even glass thieves get kitten by a half decent condition spec. Not only is condition spec tankier by design, but it also has an instant hitting nature to most of the skills. making spamming easy and frequent.
No I dont want burst to be buffed, I want conditions brought down to the level of burst in pvp (in WVWVW it is completely different and one can argue they are on par)

hmm cause warriors can adapt, thieves can adapt, guardians can adapt? Not every class has viable condition specs so what you are saying is that everyone should roll necro, condition ele and condition engi? hmm seems legit. If there was a midway point between glass and condition there would be no problem why should we not play some classes because anet decides conditions should be superiorly OP?

In pvp it just doesnt make sense. glass is so bad its funny. 50% ish crit chance only 3k attack and a whopping 50% ish crit damage. WTF gives. Glass is supposed to be do or die. If you go half way you get slapped. with conditions they dont have that because most of the time they can be applied from ranges and tick while kiting. Why are conditions stronger than glass in almost every aspect of the game? because they can be cleansed? Yea GL cleansing like 5 condition bombs in a row. With glass you will be lucky to nuke them for half their HP with your full burst. while they just condition bomb you once and walk away as you melt in your boots.

nah first thing I checked was if maybe it was that. but asked the warrior. he said he didnt even have SOM on when he was dueling.

I have noticed this multiple times. In some instances eviscerate can actually completely avoid endure pain and hit you for MORE damage than it should. Has anyone else noticed this because Im getting annoyed especially if this is an actual exploit rather than just a bug.

IMO it would have to go with the theme of heavy damage and death so lots of blood and a grim looking effect.

hammer 4… Anet fix it for god sake

NO! warrior dedicated to COF p1 plox no changes #mlgCOFspeedrunzXx

wouldn’t it be cool if the warbanner could both res 5 allies in its AOE along with stomp instantly 5 enemies? If we look at the kittenation of downstate I think its pretty fair considering warbanner severely lacks in almost every aspect of the game. It wouldnt be “op” because the cast time is still 2 seconds and it still has a ridiculous CD. The ability to flatten downed enemies can counter all sorts of abusive ways to get people back up such as steath resing and zergballing. It also gives the warrior a great purpose in TPVP since they would be the best teamfight tool to quickly clean up 1 or 2 people that would normally just be saved by copious amount of AOEs and 2 people resing at the same time. It gives the warrior some offensive denial and makes the warbanner almost on par with SOR in select situations.

Honestly. its not fair warriors get the most potent knockdowns but just come to realize that it does less than a stun. knockdowns DONT allow unsuspecting foe to proc, they can be stun broken and they do the exact same thing in every other field. Knockdown should just be another fancy stun, not worse. Either make knockdowns have a special condition attached to them like how blowouts cant be stabilized in mid air or make unsuspecting foe proc off knockdowns because until then its a big slap in the face to get less for the same crap.

Araris.7839:

shield blocks, perma fury for boons, may not have blind but I believe warrior may have the most knock down’s in the game.

mesmers have the most dazes tho. whats the point of a knockdown if it does less than a stun. Doesnt proc as much stuff…

XII.9401:

redslion.9675:

Bad news: if you want to survive when a necro is around, you are forced to take cleansing ire. And use bursts.

In sPvP you mean.

Food+melandru+ mobile strikes -or- dogged march with you on them the whole time is more than enough.

Necros don’t have any stability-outside from 3sec into shroud form or plague form- and the majority don’t slot stun breakers. A lot of them are bad at removing conditions, too.

Wrong. A good necro can fear you away any time you try to stun him. a bad one is like any other bad player. Dead

Quarktastic.1027:

Warriors have more blast finishers than any other class, and you’re complaining about it? You can string together 7 blast finishers in a row if you’re that kind of warrior who likes to run with 4 banners.

Just be thankful you’re not a ranger.

I am the banner man! LA DE DELADEDADUM!
I meant on our weapons themselves. Indeed it does suck to be a ranger but hey thats why I didnt choose them. I like smashing stuff not shooting my unicorn bow of death.

projectiles shouldnt be counted. Blasts are the only useful finishers (in most situations) and warriors seem to be lacking in that department if you consider their “sturdy bodies”

DonRobeez.3560:

Warriors have alot of combo finishers instead.

tell me again how hammer has 2 combo finishers, one being a crap kitten whirl and the other being a adren tied blast? and who gets the 4 second blast finisher? GUARDS? RLY??? warriors should have gotten that mighty blow skill instead of fierce blow…

Deathdance.2045:

Mayan.7164:

HEALING AND UTILITY SKILLS

-Kick: it’s still useless, maybe it needs range improvent (600).

I just hope they change kick to Dropkick, jumping to hit at range of 600, even if its crap just imagining it i would play for fun. (not trolling despite im laughting real hard just seeing my war doing that)

It should be a blowout with 1000 range 600 channel range and deal quadruple the damage if you hit them into a wall. GG I really wish the warrior had more blowouts so that we could troll in WVW… Nothing beats the banish, judges intervention telebanish!

Travlane.5948:

animalmom.1062:

hey you get 900 if you arent moving!

heh…right on!!! however the ONLY time you use this while not moving is when u are rooted …and that doesnt work anymore so yeah…never again lol

or you could get more if you are moving and shoot backwards?

Still surprised the OMFGWTFBBQLOLOCRYQQ thieves havent come onto this post yet. Spouting their garbage how thieves are just SOOOO underpowered for meaningful combat.

Noshiz.8650:

Epic.3950:

Noshiz.8650:

yes and get r*ped by all ranged players with 1200+ range while trying to get at 900.

Honey look on the bright side, they got nerfed and they were gonna tear your kitten either way.

If you are so sure that they would tear me apart, why are you all day long at thief forums QQing about how OP thieves are ?

Who is the noob now? Learn to play.

clap clap clap. you are so smart. you obviously have no real argument because one minute you are talking about the fact you are so bad you cant even survive a ranger pet, now you are commenting on how everyone knows thieves are OP get a grip. 300 range isnt going to affect you in 99% of situations. and if you wanna go there we can complain about how the warrior cant go axe and rifle because their only 1200 range weapons are completely immobile. Suck it up id take a lot of things with decreased range to get what you can do.

yea mang. totally OP. double damage on kick gives you omfgwtfbbq dps and its liek wuuuuuut. then stomp is gg and ofvc bullsrush into HB UNFRENZIED FTW!!! soloed like 50 man zergs with that and rampage. thanks for the buff anet im just so OP I can show everyone my oPNES!
but honestly loled when I killed 3/4 ppl in a duel with this setup. I hope they feel bad. still sucks and shouldnt be in the game at allz tho. lol kick

Jinks.2057:

Play a thief to 80 and WvW with em.

After failing miserably multiple times come back and apologize.

Thieves are not ezmode and people who’ve masteted other classes have stated they needed a mentor upon playing one.

I know this for a fact because I’ve done it on multiple occassions.

Funny you say that. I got a troll guild called naked hookers united. Needless to say we are naked thieves at level 10 or so that just run around half synergizing our builds to make peoples days as bad as possible. but hell guess what at least we dont wear armor to counter our OPness

Noshiz.8650:

yes and get r*ped by all ranged players with 1200+ range while trying to get at 900.

Honey look on the bright side, they got nerfed and they were gonna tear your kitten either way.

I read this crap and 90% of it was fixes for bugged, abused and OP skills. MMMMMHH stack dat stealth on dat wall! and seriously basilisk venom is now BREAKABLE. OH kittenIN BOY I though thieves were allowed to stun you for 3+ seconds if specced and you cant do kitten all about it. Its a themed stun nothing less nothing more you are not some privileged private school student

Zepidel.5349:

Radmage.3741:

I can’t handle them, they blind, stealth have a sizable amount of dodge abilities and can spam spells that deal a pretty huge amount of damage and they regen a lot of HP from being in stealth. I there any way to deal with them as a necro?

Oh hey I didnt see I could run a 30-30-30-30-30 build now!

-Spells that deal alot of damage
-Regen alot of hp in stealth
-Blinds

these don’t go together.

You must have one kitten bunker thief build then. Cause you dont see what real people see

or, OR, OR OR OR!!!!!! you could step forwards a couple steps and clusterbomb away? idk possibly maybe wtflmaokthxbai?

Zepidel.5349:

It’s patch day and Jimmy a 13 year old gw2 enthusiast logs onto to his warrior for a day of fun and games in WvWvW. But unbeknownst to him a sinister and evil force lurks in the unseen shadows, a thief. As Jimmy leaves his server camp to meet up with the warband the thief readies his basilisk venom, and activates his assassination signet. As soon as poor jimmy is in range the thief precast his cloak and dagger and steals onto Jimmy. Jimmy was talking to his friends in guild chat “My mom says I can stay up all night guadasdwawdasdwad234423333333adwad” And like that the thief lands his end all be all “Backstab” 14k damage it hits Jimmy for. He now has 3k hp and just regained control of his character, but its too late. Two more auto attacks and hes down. The thief stealths, and Jimmy has no chance to even interrupt his stomp.

“How could this happen” Jimmy thought to himself. It surely was not that he was snuck up on by a stealth class, no no… couldn’t be that. He decides to read the patch notes for thief, Furious he sees that thief has some new condition! How can such an overpowered class be buffed! So now Jimmy is off to the thief forums to tell those stupid thiefs how it is….

Seriously, zerker thief’s were nerfed this patch with our only 1200 range attack gone. Our “insta-kill” rotation was not changed AT ALL with the exception of a cd reduction on steal (which means we only would take advantage of it if the fight lasted 30 seconds…that’s not really an insta kill). So why are there so many uneducated idiots out there complaining on the forums about thief’s this patch? You guys realize no one uses venoms right? right…?

This! You sir I would /bow to any day

Craig.2403:

Epic.3950:

lol ranger thief and mesmer. bandwagon OP class much? what next delete ranger go get guard and complain he doesnt have enough sustain or DPS?

No, not a bandwagon. Been playing thief since launch, and I play the assassin type class in every game. I play mesmer because a friend convinced me to play it because it is so similar to the thief but with more team support. I play ranger because I wanted a frontline class that could tank to be a commander, and I was stuck between guard and ranger and chose ranger because it was less played. So no, the only bandwagon op class I created was a warrior because I’m too much of a PvE noob to do CoF well on mesmer, and I can barely bring myself to level it. Also note I’m a commander on the least bandwagon server ever: the lowest rank server in NA.

HAHA yea like I care about PVE. Id gladly trade in pve mastery for balance any day. And once again. Tank ranger… bandwagon

Craig.2403:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Why-thief-is-NOT-op/first#post2280144

I pretty much outlined every way to counter a thief just to prove that thieves were not OP with this post, only to find that… wait for it… NERF HAMMER! /Sigh. Anyways, hopefully this will at least help you deal with us better, and someone can be happy.

lol ranger thief and mesmer. bandwagon OP class much? what next delete ranger go get guard and complain he doesnt have enough sustain or DPS?

removes 3 tested plenty stop assuming.

Veritas.6071:

loseridoit.2756:

Veritas.6071:

loseridoit.2756:

Veritas.6071:

I checked the other class forums and haven’t seen any other complaints.

mesmer is starting to complain

blind affects warriors and mesmer the worst out of all the classes

I just saw that one too. I can’t test, but the change made it so that you either have to be close to them with melee or shoot at them with ranged?

basically, you have to actually hit them while blind.

Range is less affected than pure melee builds

Ah, I see. Well, that doesn’t seem too unfair, but I understand how it could be frustrating. Swinging at the air to remove a blind was pretty cheesy.

You know what else is cheesy. The blinding powder is kittening cheesy. Blind on stealth is kittening cheesy. Dont even bother saying being able to remove a blind is cheesy because It takes no skill to use such an ability in your favor. There is no narrative where you can say it takes skill to use blind since its mostly tied to thieves bloody stealth skills.

Ive rolled both of them since this morning. Anet didnt kitten up on it. It cleanses for the amount of phases you have build not the inverse amount you have left over

Callahan.3180:

I’ve submitted a bug report already. Yeah it’s bugged. Try a different skill chain in the mean time, like stag blow to ES.

I figured prty quick to use either shield bash or ES to break it but sometimes when I wanna use it to remove pressure it just kittens me over bad

they should get rid of the adren gain of SOF (IK you rely on it in your build cal but i do too) and turn it into something that resembles the engies goggles that counter blind. I think 5 seconds of immunity to blind on a 27 ish second specced CD would be enough to kill thieves that think they are safe from us by throwing some smoke in the air and inserting their left hand into their kittening arses. Cleansing ire could have countered this kitten so easily if they made it cleanse blind if a target would have been hit. (like how unsuspecting foe procs at the same time as ES and mace f1)

but at least they buffed arcing slice.
hold on a sec im getting a message.
oh crap… they didn’t. well this is akward

After the patch the aftercast of staggering blow is completely unresponsive to movement even after the channel is complete. Look into this its horribly annoying and has made me miss so many backbreakers…

Majax.3549:

Here the video when this bug happened to me last night :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg6Q8D00TfM

Bump for bug fix !

thanks for the example and nice wipe

its a magical thing called your healing signet, heals for almost as much as mid ranged retal therefore its a counter. If you spam unloads and think you are gonna win because of that please tell me again how you are totally a skillful player that uses his skills wisely and situationally. No better than the HS spammers

Aethilmar.3951:

No need to record. It does full cooldown. Been this way forever and a day. If you PvP you probably have just gotten numb to it.

alright thanks I wasnt looking forwards to jumping into a line of warding with ES and laughing at something I already knew. still doesnt make any sense at all

google.3709:

can anyone test this ? all skills go on a 5sec CD if interrupted so OP might be mistaking this with the cd of the skill (10s).

I will record this. Im actually baffled nobody has noticed this before… seemed extremely obvious to me very quickly

loseridoit.2756:

technically, most burst skill cast time is quite short.

most people are intrrupted in the after cast time

I can assure you this is not true sir and frankly IDC. no other class gets set of full CD for interrupt EVER. This is a “unique” mechanic for the warrior

nothing needs to chage whats wrong with 5 second bursts. you need to spec HEAVILY into them and also spec into gaining adren fast as balls. with the nerfed axe this is semi viable now and therefore your bursts are balanced cause if you got the adren for it, you deserve to use it

Furajir.3815:

Not really sure what everyone is complaining about.

I’ve been a solo roamer in WvW on my war for a long time and R35 in spvp. nothing to brag about, but I literally have no issue with most classes, builds, whatever and I’m pretty close to pure zerk with axe/shield and GS. 10/20/0/10/30. I beat the classes people complain about here all the time, eles, thieves, mesmers whatever, sure it’s harder, and I have to really focus, can’t just facemash the keyboard like most other classes 4tehwinz, but hey, I manage.

Everyone always talks about sustain, sustain, sustain. Warrs imo in every other mmo I played aren’t supposed to just eat ridiculous amounts of damage and be able to deal the same, it’s all give and take.

The one thing we do excel at, which may change after patch, idk, is high mobility, putting pressure on people, and insane amounts of damage, it’s insanely easy to control your opponents when you’re making them panic.

Good players will always adapt, and idc if the rest of you fade away. Maybe it’s a L2P issue. I record often, if anyone disputes it I don’t mind posting videos of myself in 1vx situations.

obviously an l2p issue guys I mean the beastmaster ranger said it right here must be true! Go lick your kittening wounds and go back to the outraged little ranger forums where rangers now have to deal the damage themselves

Roszondas.5398:

Hi Titan, great post!!!!

I have a question, what build would you use as a wvw commander?

Thanks in advance.

AHAHAHA oh wait im sorry you were serious. Titan doesnt roll with zergs he rolls zergs. Probably the squishiest and least damaging build you can muster would work well. hell just go naked!

Daecollo.9578:

I will only use banners if they become fully mobile, we are /not/ a buff class.

but they ARE! they are buffing all those passives to the point where its better to run a minor trait and a signet over a clunky kitten banner that got “buffed” a couple months ago. that entire buff was a joke. Only warriors have banners so they buffed them but they planned to buff all effects that increased stats anyways. oddly enough guess who got the least amount of buffing on their signets! The banner buff was a shamm!

My favorite thing about warrior downstate is when ranger pets and their kitten AI jump you in an downstate situation (the ranger probably didnt even hit you but like i said before DUMB AI)and body block the hammer throw so you cant hit the ranger and have a chance at your buddy coming to help you back up and keep fighting… but then again anet have more important things to deal with like making zerker guardians and giving mesmers and thieves torment

lolled at the moa stomp

It would be nice if each signet had an alternate active or passive (some get one or the other) if and only if traited. So Signet of rage when traited would allow us to not degenerate adrenaline outside of combat (honestly this should be inert and in the game already…) There are other classes with adept signet traits that give them 20% reduction PLUS something else so why cant warriors get that?

Seren.6850:

Warlord.9074:

stop using PVT.

irony coming from a guild that chooses gear and spec for you.

ehrmergherd!!!!!!1111!!!11 I think you made a PVT warrior mad! I run full glass in zergs problem?

Name one other skill that shares this “addition” and I wont call BS, till then I see it as just another way for Anet to systematically screw the warriors and frankly im surprised there is neither a trait to change this, nor any outrage on the forums about this already

now if the last chop had a 450 gap closer…

everyone talks big about traiting into adren gain but you dont realize if you wanna do that to counter conditions il just kittenin nuke you with my hammer for 15k and if you want to pop endure pain il just kite you for a couple seconds till it wares off. its balanced because its totally selfish and can only be used in two situations.
A= full bunker; oh kittenin boy bunkers so much fun ITS CALLED IGNORE THEM
B= full glass; you are dead GG I nuked you with my balanced warrior
go trait into full adren generation see how well that would work out…