Translation of OP: “How to kill a thief: outnumber and outplay them.”
Personally I can’t wait until the meta switches from teams of stealth herpaderpa-dps to teams of bunkers with tons of CC….. Ah the early days of an MMO when people are still unfamiliar with team play and looking for the way to “pwn noobs”. Remember these days in a year or two, when all the “Thief is useless in WvW!” threads take over these forums.
Yeah, I have a thief, and yeah, I think stealth needs some sort of nerf (or culling fix, but not holding my breath for that, since it likely requires technology to advance significantly). Shadow refuge still has a stupidly long duration, and the ability to chain stealth without getting “revealed” is game breaking in many cases (spent a long time last night with several people camping a mesmer corpse inside garrison while one cheese-perma-stealth thief ran in repeatedly to get bits of a rez on it, eventually it got up despite being nearly killed dozens of times, balance? hello?)….
mobility is key in WvW and thief will always be OP.
why do you even care about completing it if you are a casual?
Why don’t you go complain to the government about how hard it is to get Lamborghini for a person working at mckitten.
just did it and no loot.
you just need to play smarter and not go gc 100%
Lets all stand in corners and spam aoe around us for hours.
sounds like fun.
who knows where the thief is. or how many there are. if we keep spamming aoe he probably can’t kill us. Oh look all out supply camps are gone… we better not more or else the thief might kill us.
it will be 0 bunkers
any bunkers on a point will die from 8 people focusing them down in half a second.
Resize all the game models to be about human sized and rework some animations. This would allow general balance. Problem solved.
If they take out remove condition when you cloak, it might actually be possible to kill a competent one.
WvW isn’t pvp according to Anet since they don’t even bother balancing WvW.
there like <1000 people who pvp at any time. Its not worth anet’s time and they aren’t making money from it.
Anet doesn’t want people to be farming WvW maybe.
Or maybe organized efforts where 2 servers kill each other for drops.
I had 450 pieces of gold ore at one time.
Saying a profanity filter should allow you to swear is like saying that the presence of fire extinguishers should allow you to start fires.
No. In this situation with your bad analogy, it would be that you won’t see a fire but you can feel its warmth. Nothing is flammable but people want to put it out because they know its there.
Why don’t we remove people for cooking on a fire then?
Allowing a fire to grow in a controlled environment happens all the time. I guess so people are just afraid of things irrationally and want to put them out. Even when nothing is wrong.
I don’t use healing spring. Troll unguent is much better at keeping both me and my pet up and in the fight. Rangers often forget about their pets, but pets can be extremely helpful. Healing spring is absolutely terrible at keeping your pet alive, even if your pet is standing in it.
I have different experiences with Healing Spring. Especially if you take the trait which makes your pet gain all the boons you get, Healing Spring becomes simply the best at healing your pet.
troll heals more. even if you stand in the spring for full duration.
^ completely pointless post
1c undercut just means very little. People can put buy offers at w/e price they want.
If an item can be sold at a relative price, it will be. 1c undercutting isn’t going to change it. If a seller wants it to sell, he can lower the price by 20%, it will sell much faster.
your logic is fail.
its a bad thing added to prevent bots.
So basically bots have to wait 10 seconds between buys and sells. It doesn’t make any sense but somebody at anet thought it was a good idea.
name your pets after people you know.
There are rules against harassment in game that you can report people for…
But if someone simply insults you and you report them, grow up. There is a block function in the game, and you know, you can just not associate with the kitten any more.
So you’re telling some one who is getting insulted that they need to grow up instead of the person who is doing the insulting. Wouldn’t the person who needs to do the most growing be the person who feels the need to insult people over a video game?
I guess I must have a backwards way of looking at things.
maybe they should both grow up. Or maybe it doesn’t matter. The person who feels they are cheated at the end is the one who probably can change their way of thinking.
To those people touting “Freedom of speech” and waving other official documents around stating they have a right, not one of them gives you the right to be base, degrading, crude, racist, foul mouthed, vulgar, throwing around sexual inuendo and the list goes on.
What those documents or laws do give you is the ability to voice opinion or grievances in an intelligent manner without fear of censorship, the public will then determine if you are an idiot or worth reading or listening to, that is all.
Civilized is civilized, get a clue.
whats the difference?
opinions differ.
being civilized is just a way to discriminate against other people’s ways of life.
to make the game less burst oriented, there is also the problem with self healing.
I can see people who are just semi tanky fight each other for an hour and not gain any form of upper hand. People can get back up to full health if you can’t kill them in the 30 second time frame and by then, their block, heal and damage mitigation skills are off cd.
Basically, every 30 seconds or so, people can give up a few inch of ground to reset the battle. It gets to the point where 2 guardians would fight for like 5 mins and give up and both just accept they can’t win or else other teammates come and add sufficient burst at the right time to swing the fight.
Anet would need to nerf self heal in PvP if they nerf the bursts in the game right now.
Maybe they can implement something like Dota, you have very little self heal, there really isn’t many team heal and all you do to heal is teleport back to the spawn. Since the game is objective bases, this does make sense.
I use Shadow Refugee in fractal as thief but i never use it ò.ò no one stay near each other so i can’t use it to heal with projectile.
shadow refuge is used to rez people most of the time I think.
Bird+SB = the fastest way to kill a Mesmer, just watch the conditions being stacks on you and just keep range. The hardest Mesmer you will face will try to get right on top of you,
is where I kill fair few Mesmers, I rarely go into melee vs a Mesmer just to risky if you burst and they stack you with confusion just as you burst.
Hope it helps.
thats interesting, what armor and runes do you use?
Can you explain why that build is superior against a mesmer?
as my build currently stands, it looks more dps and just as much survivability. Its just I can not engage mesmers.
I did not spec into anything specific because I don’t see the need to. The build covers areas with different skills and such. There is something for everything and still allows me to maximize dps and survivability.
doing melee with a sword is higher dps but I don’t see how you will melee a mesmer, the torch would be the only really useful addition as it is AOE. With it you lose the block and counter as well as mobility with gs3 to quickly chase or run.
I also do not like relying on my pet to do DPS, people will eventually just kill the pet since with that build, the pets are your main source of damage and you will be pretty much useless without them.
I don’t like rampage as one. Its a long cooldown burst. The applicable use of it is very limited. Entangle will do more damage in the right places and can be used to flea if needed.
I am currently leveling a mesmer. I know the basics to what they do. Rangers just can not kill the clones or hit them when they cloak. The condition part of my build doesn’t seem to be a problem to anything but mesmers. I don’t seem to have a problem with necros, most necros I can kill when Im at half health.
I don’t feel like dragging out a fight with a mesmer is a good idea tho. The can sustain themselfs and retreat whenever. The main damage source is the clones and their mid length cooldowns like phantom unload. They can stack confusion and stun with pistol which means unless I can out heal their damage output(highly unlikely even if I was full healing spec) or I have to kill them before the skills reset.
Mesmers can clear their conditions, it is true but I don’t really have a problem with that. They burn those up fast. If they spec too much into condition removal, the lose a lot of their survivability to other classes and distractions.
Most of my damage comes mostly from the normal damage of crossfire even when speced this much into conditions. The GS is mainly used to block and travel.
Basically stuns and ccs are too common and easy. Also distance is too easily closed. These things allow bursts to happen most of the time. If they did not exist, bursts will be dodged and punished.
why hack a game then? why not hack a bank directly?
A multitude of reasons.
For one, banks have better security. Secondly, the repercussions are on a whole different level. Even attempting to hack a bank gets you sent to jail for years, whereas hacking in the game gets you banned at most. And of course, if you hack a bank, there’s none of that “if you get caught” talk, because you’re not going to be haunted by some GM team, but actual feds.
And I’m pretty sure that most of the hacking occurs outside of the game. It could be via datamining from making a purchase at a gold selling site, or it could be an email hack from the same site. And in those cases, it tends to come down to antivirus and email service security, which is totally out of ANet’s control.
its withing Anet’s control. If these are the causes, Anet can ban them fast. And with enough awareness and such, eventually all the stupid people who buy gold from third party sites will be banned.
Anet’s security needs to be tight considering they have information about many player’s credit cards and personal information. They also have their own reputation at stake.
Upon seeing/encountering a mesmer, call target on them ASAP. This will clearly distinguish the player from illusions. Obviously this mark will fall off as soon as they stealth in some form or other, but it gives you the easiest indicator on who and what to target. If you have somehow lost your mark on them, watch carefully for the player to pop out of their stealth, which isn’t too difficult because they are usually actively positioning themselves for a Swap+Blurred Frenzy shatter combo directly out of their invis blanket. Clones have very mechanical movements, while the individual is more often than not sporadic. If they happen to attempt at pretending to be a clone, you can easily distinguish them from their illusions by the simple fact that their attack rate is distinctly higher than the summons. My suggestion is attempt to experience 1v1 combat with the class as much as possible, either through an organized friendly spvp match or random encounters with them.
-Hope that helps
the problem isn’t really how to tell which one they are. Its killing him. Its easy to tell the one thats kiting my pet is the one thats not a clone.
why not just ban the bots, sellers and buyers and eventually they run out of money from having to buy the game more.
the there will no longer be illegal gold sellers and everything is fine.
If you buy gold from the gold sellers and break the tos you might as well be banned.
Gold sellers don’t buy the game/accounts. They steal them from people who have already paid/steal credit card info and make purchases to use the game until they get banned. They couldn’t care less if they get banned because they just have to fire up another account and get back to farming.
then its not a problem of the trading but a security problem.
So you’re asking them to develop an unhackable piece of software? Pretty sure those don’t exist at the current time and probably never will.
why hack a game then? why not hack a bank directly?
why not just ban the bots, sellers and buyers and eventually they run out of money from having to buy the game more.
the there will no longer be illegal gold sellers and everything is fine.
If you buy gold from the gold sellers and break the tos you might as well be banned.
Gold sellers don’t buy the game/accounts. They steal them from people who have already paid/steal credit card info and make purchases to use the game until they get banned. They couldn’t care less if they get banned because they just have to fire up another account and get back to farming.
then its not a problem of the trading but a security problem.
I use healing spring but never stand in it long enough for it to be good. Mostly just because the combo field and any assist I can give to my team. Rangers aren’t the best class for team oriented things imo.
btw you can hire someone to play the game for you if you had the money too.
what range were you at?
Maybe you are just inattentive.
you should just not read it.
1. numbers, 24hrs 7days a week.
2. money for golems.
this
why not just ban the bots, sellers and buyers and eventually they run out of money from having to buy the game more.
the there will no longer be illegal gold sellers and everything is fine.
If you buy gold from the gold sellers and break the tos you might as well be banned.
You must be new to MMOs.
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GW2 isn’t a fighting game and it shouldn’t been looked as such. You are rarely engaged in 1v1s until 1 of you die, as such some of the things about being able to set up combos by yourself is extremely risky and would not work. You will be smacked by someone else.
Burst would be fine if a burst doesn’t have 90% chance of killing someone. Also being able to engage and immediately burst when you stun or just engage with your strongest skill is extremely anti climactic but I think it can be done.
Bursts just need much longer cool downs. If you waste your burst on 1 person, you become useless for a long time. In my opinion, this will make it much more rewarding to burst and it will only be used when you need to.
Its not a bug, its a feature.
Because most people enjoy the game enough to play it. And people don’t really care about buying a level 80 cause its stupid.
play smarter. Stop gambling your money. Buy gems and trade it into gold or something. You’d end up with more stuff.
What does real life offer for poor people?
maybe engineer will get a new skill:
[Lube]
use this skill whenever you are R***ed
if the hot join is deathmatch, everyone will be gs thiefs. Get kills fast and being able to run away.
7870 max the game and is the best cost/performance.
why not just ban the bots, sellers and buyers and eventually they run out of money from having to buy the game more.
the there will no longer be illegal gold sellers and everything is fine.
If you buy gold from the gold sellers and break the tos you might as well be banned.
if 100 people 1c undercut then the item is 1s cheaper.
If nobody buys the crap at that price and more people under cut, it mean the item is overpriced.
simple answer is the world revolves around money and you can sell just about anything.
except stuff like pears for some reason.
Why have an imbalanced mode as the main event in sPvP?
Put 5v5 in front of 8v8 in server browser please.
I can’t for the life of me figure this out.
I mean mostly in spvp but it still apply to wvw since mesmers are still impossible to kill with my setup. I have tried different skills and weapons but still can’t figure it out.
In WvW I run power/crit/conditional with shortbow and gs. This is just my PvE build. I concede if I lose to someone good because the build was not designed for PvP.
In sPvP. I can’t figure it out. The current build I run:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-FV-g-BFxEkx-p2gEF-0;9-9N;1J-T9912;242A5;00;08-V6-Rm0jwmAjwmA1Fb
It works well against almost every other class.
seems to work with some pets and not with others. I can’t for the life of me get my pig to do it.