Guild Wars 2

Serraphin Storm.2369:

This is how rangers work. I just realized that I never really had a problem with this because I dont tend to run through mobs. The only time I may skip mobs is in wvw. But its really not hard to bypass mobs there.

I think a ranger should know better than running through a pack of wolves and expect nothing to happen or expect to outrun them.

So what I think is the really problem is is your play style. Alot of you skip alot of content in pve for what ever reason. I dont think the Dev should support or be pressured into getting behind this idea for that reason. Choose a different class and be done with it.

why would you want your pet to be a burden?

its not worth the time and effort…

You gain barely any money if any at all due to the TP fee if you are selling the gossamer and buying all the mats. Also you lose skill points.

Rakuren Kenshou.7689:

Esrever.8613:

Buy a kitten ton of skins.

Agreed. Wand and Slingshot are climbing fast. Makes sense as they are the more popular. Those who grabbed at 1 silver each are lucky.

Staff and Hammer are starting to climb too. Not sure if anything other than those 4 are really going to sell though. I guess the sword is cool, but I thought it looked goofy.

personally I like the pop gun but I might be the only one cause I haven’t seen many people with it.

Buy a kitten ton of skins.

Erasculio.2914:

Infernia.9847:

Sure people making a ton of profit off a recipe should ask themselves if it’s legit. On the other hand a company that lets a recipe slip through testing and is not completely obvious (like a 21 Karma cost for a T3 cultural weapon<—screams of exploit)should ban offenders but a permanent ban? I just don’t know.

Someone made a guide about using this exploit here, stating in bolded letters “This is a great way to get storage space, and gold!”. The fact it was so proftable to deserve its own guide already screams of exploit.

must make everything else in this game a exploit or a scam amirite?

wtbingbongbadbear.1245:

Just tested this in fire in mists and the tooltip is very wrong. The wiki calculation is right. My regen is 293 hp/s.

tooltip is for 6 stacks of regen

jade maw takes 2x the time because the pet gets targeted half the time.

Rogacz.9865:

Then all the bots will get banned, prices will inflate, and people will all be angry happy!

Thats one extra thing i forgot to add to the previous wall of text. I honestly couldnt care less if there were so many bots everywhere they would be choking to death, as long as i could perform acomplish desired actions in the game within reasonable timeframe.

I really dont care if there are people/bots farming mats 24/7, manipulating prices on TP to some absurd levels or exploiting WvW/karma/dungeons. All i want is to be able to play the game unhindered.

might as well play a single player game.

Esplen.3940:

Esrever.8613:

might as well put a capcha for trades above 250 and make it so stacks are much more.

in the beta the stacks were 1000.

and they didn’t choose 250 per stack because its smaller number to store since all the bits would need to be stored as a 32bit number either way and unsigned 32bit ints have a range >4billion. Anet can change something really small in their code and we could have 4b stacks in 1 small update.

Then bots would still buy in 250’s.

then its easy to see who is a bot

Tulisin.6945:

Esrever

this is BS. to do 7k damage takes 4 hits from a gc. With any char thats remotely tanky, it will take 7-10

Unless the thief is exceptionally tanky, this is very unlikely, mobs in PvE have more defense than your average WvW thief. It is entirely possible that they’re in the small minority that is actually relying on stat-based defense, but it is a good bet that they aren’t. There’s a very good reason most thieves don’t stand around and take hits, but Shadow Refuge forces them to do just that or forfeit the stealth benefit. Any any glass cannon only averaging 1.5K/hit is a bad glass cannon or using a very weak attack skill.

what classes do you expect to do 7k damage in 4 hits and not be gc?

might as well put a capcha for trades above 250 and make it so stacks are much more.

in the beta the stacks were 1000.

and they didn’t choose 250 per stack because its smaller number to store since all the bits would need to be stored as a 32bit number either way and unsigned 32bit ints have a range >4billion. Anet can change something really small in their code and we could have 4b stacks in 1 small update.

nobody is going to use them after wintersday. I doubt many people would want to craft pets or tonics after the event.

Tulisin.6945:

Rayya.2591:

good luck on that. i just turn arround in refuge and you will have no clue in wich conner of it i am in. Drop 7000 hp in 4seconds you need at least 4 lucky blind hits. Not to mention that i got 65% of hp downed (stealthed for 12 sec more) and i will rally unless you continue hit me, but you will have no clue if i am downed there or i left for a cigareth

Shadow Refuge is tiny, it isn’t hard to cover, you don’t need “4 lucky blind hits” to do 7K unless you’re very low-offense. As for not having a clue about whether you’re hitting your target or have put them in the downed state, just read your hit notifications.

I get it, you’ve probably had some success with this tactic, but you haven’t done it because of some kind of Shadow Refuge brilliance, you’ve done it because whoever you were fighting was either very bad or very inexperienced. Shadow Refuge is one of the most powerful and malleable thief utilities, but the way you’re using it is the equivalent of strangling disabled people with a longbow.

this is BS. to do 7k damage takes 4 hits from a gc. With any char thats remotely tanky, it will take 7-10

it has no positive effects.

In the world event bosses this is true but I find most dungeon bosses are a good mix of melee and range skills that its pretty even.

Tulisin.6945:

Rayya.2591:

But now enlight me how you kill an thief who use shadow refuge at 50% hp, and leave battle.

Seriously? Use literally any attack and kill them. Someone who generally has 7,000~ HP (at 50 %) and very little toughness just confined themselves to a small circle for at least 4 seconds. Even bunkers can down that solo. If there’s more than one person trying to kill the thief they should only last a couple seconds.

Shadow Refuge at 50 % in an attempt to escape is an absolutely horrible example of effectively using stealth.

just use shadow refuge and thief guild at the same time like a pro.

Durzlla.6295:

Esrever.8613:

Durzlla.6295:

How i do it?

My Glassless Cannon BM build where i just pop sick’em, QZ and spam warhorn 4 and spam 1 on the sword, kittens go down before they can even heal.

If those 2 skills are on CD? A little harder, but not much, i’ll just evade around the battle field like a rabid monkey and let my pet shred them, if i can get range on them (sword 2 allows that very easily) i’ll often swap to longbow and bend them over from range.

PS: When they go stealth just roll around and make it hard for them to get to where you are, it will make getting a back stab impossible which is how MOST thieves get their damage.

don’t do this unless you want to die to any thief with half a brain. They cloak and all your skills will be burnt and you are going to die from like 5 heartseaker if you are glass cannon afterward.

Um, you just hit 2 on the sword, fly back wards, turn around hit 2 again GG they can’t get to you in time, especially if you’re using sig of the hunt like i do and keep running, it has a short enough CD that i don’t need to worry about it being up when i need it, and i can drop a thief in under 3 seconds (i’m no glass cannon either) so i don’t need to worry about them escaping before revealed is gone especially if i’m in melee range when they show up (or close to it).

Listen to the guy i quoted if you wanna die and constantly be back here QQing about how thieves are OP.

have fun running away from anyone with half a brain.

this would not effect bots. Bots have scripts to buy stacks as fast as possible in any way.

currently its not hard for a bot to make 10000 orders in 3 mins while a human would probably get bored and frustrated.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

ITT:

People don’t seem to understand why items are listed at $199.99 irl.

Because the company values the momentary period of time that someone processes that as “$199” instead of “$200” more than they value 1 cent.
And it’s plainly not in any way price competition when they do that because EVERYONE does that.

they do it for the reason that The $0.01 is able to sell more things. They are competing with the price that is set in a person’s mind and how much the person expect to pay for the item. The 1c undercutting in this case has been used to produce more sells.

SteepledHat.1345:

They shouldn’t be botting it. Are you saying people bot the TP? Guess Anet needs to start taking a hard look at DR on the TP.

people been botting the TP since release.

Durzlla.6295:

How i do it?

My Glassless Cannon BM build where i just pop sick’em, QZ and spam warhorn 4 and spam 1 on the sword, kittens go down before they can even heal.

If those 2 skills are on CD? A little harder, but not much, i’ll just evade around the battle field like a rabid monkey and let my pet shred them, if i can get range on them (sword 2 allows that very easily) i’ll often swap to longbow and bend them over from range.

PS: When they go stealth just roll around and make it hard for them to get to where you are, it will make getting a back stab impossible which is how MOST thieves get their damage.

don’t do this unless you want to die to any thief with half a brain. They cloak and all your skills will be burnt and you are going to die from like 5 heartseaker if you are glass cannon afterward.

ITT:

People don’t seem to understand why items are listed at $199.99 irl.

OmniPotentes.4817:

kitanas.3596:

OmniPotentes.4817:

Imperatora.7654:

actually power traders counter inflation by siphoning hundreds, thousands of gold a day out of the system via fees.

Inflation is caused by mobs dropping gold. As more and more gold is added to the game, the value of each gold goes down. The only way to stop inflation is to make mobs drop nearly zero money (or at least less money than is being taken out via waypoint fees, repair costs, and TP fees).

The amount of gold that power traders siphon through the TP is negligible compared to the influx of gold required to keep up with prices set and manipulated by them. Which is indirectly a result of their trading behavior. If they didnt set prices so high most players wouldn’t have to farm content 24/7 to be able to afford the goods thay want like precursors and lodestones or ectos.

Besides I don’t think my suggestion would lead to a decrease in TP transactions. People would still be buying items. Only now at more affordable prices.

/facepalm. economics 101: you cannot sell something for more then its market price. “but x is to expensive for me!” I didn’t say your price, I’m talking about the market price. if something goes above market price, people will just not buy it, and farm/grind for it instead.

also, have you thought about the problems it would create? for example, I could no longer be able to give a friend anything I buy off the trading post. or what if I overbuy (either from a typo or overestimating costs) am I just stuck with the excess? they would also have to duple the amount of storage space so you have one slot for account-bound stuff and one for the non-account-bound stuff? and what about the stuff already in the power traders inventory? is it retro-active? if not expect a huge surge in price for stuff as they would buy up inventory in expectation of the change. or do they just not announce it and screw over the people who are just “day trading”?

this suggestion pops up every now and again. it’s not worth the hassle to implement.

Market price is determined by the amount of money available in circulation not only by supply. Precursors where selling for 10-40 gold when the game came out because there was less money circulating. I’m not against making money. I’m saying make money by playing the game and not by breaking the economy. The way things are we are caught in a never ending spiral that only benefits the wealthiest. For all I care they should stealth introduce this fix. Let the hoarders sit with their stash. Sell it at competitive prices or create 10 Legendarys and give them to your alts for all I care. But don’t expect to just build up wealth over the backs of honest players that play the game as it was meant to be played. At least my suggestion generates better wealth distribution. The skillfull players benefit. Not the exploiters. Storage space is not an issue. People won’t be buying 10 stacks of anything unless they intend to use them in which case they would need the storage space anyway.

How are they benefiting off the back of “honest players”? They sit there with their hoarded items. They are losing money doing so. They are also very much putting risk in themselves because anet could at any time do a karka event again.

you don’t seem to understand inflation.

Things going up by price manipulation != inflation

inflation is caused by the constant gold entering the game and also the higher concentration of gold per person playing. This usually can be seen in items like ectos which are pretty much standard and the price haven’t changed extremely since launch and have been going up ever slightly.

Power traders help drive the tp and siphons up money from people with money and the tax in the TP actually takes out large amount of money from the game. They do not effect inflation.

People who buy and hoard rare items do so are something on its own and will happen with or without inflation. What you propose will fix this but would also make the TP useless for people.

With that change people will be much more cautious to buy anything. Volume in the TP would drop significantly. prices for all items would largely fluctuate due to the removal of the buffer of buying then selling. Less money would leave the game. More items would be inflated, not the same items as before.

This change would also largely defeat the purpose of a TP. People’s wealth would be so contained that there would be no point in selling to other players to gain more wealth. Anet might as well just make the TP a npc who sells and buys all items at a fixed price.

there is already a stickyed bug list.

Thet.7153:

sorry to be such a noob, explain the term “turbodunking”

quickness + finisher = turbo dunk.

Nike.2631:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

If the TP wasn’t showing you orders that were above the 2.1s you can see, then you’d sell to the highest order, which in this case is 11s, even if you posted at 2.5s.

Can’t very well have buy orders higher than listings.

Across 2 hours and over 30 seperate transactions (one dump from bank plus harvesting with 12 characters at two different sites, sometimes selling part way through harvest because the Veteran Joten worried me) and I never once saw the actual highest buy offer? Not once?

Now that I can actually read my history (thanks for prompting me to explore the UI a bit more) NONE of my potatoes ever sold for what I offered them for. And I know I offered to sell every one of them at ever so slightly higher than the highest visible buy offer because I was trying to get a mass of potatoes sitting there not selling.

The only potato I have left is the one I posted with the “match lowest seller” button when I started trying to probe what was going on. It stayed. Someone (or some-bot) spent all night firing off invisible buy orders for a copper less than the current lowest potato? Like I said, I didn’t think you could actually do that, since the buy now button would automaticaly scoop up the cheapest at the price offered. Not pay 4x standing sell offer.

if the things move too fast, The game probably doesn’t update. A script buying up all one item would probably be putting in offers and you won’t even know its there because its changing faster than the TP updates for everyone.

buying is easy since you can just check all the items you want to buy in the buying screen all the way up to the price you’d want to stop.

managing and selling about 100 000 items in 250 bit chunks would require some sort of script tho.

I would just like to say I was being sarcastic with my post. I play ranger and its just kitten annoying.

Nike.2631:

I mean, maybe when the dust settles it’ll be some Mad King Tatter who blew a heap of coin.. Idid notice as I swapped charaters and harvested the next dozen tatters that the new highest buy offer tended to exactly match the amount my last sell offer had over topped them. But the speed was insane.

Maybe someone was testing a TP bot and it ran amok .

you’d pretty much need a bot to buy this much stuff and sell it efficiently.

because your prey would pick up on your foot prints when you are stalking them

People have said that it costs about 30-40g to craft to 80 before wintersday. I don’t know the breakdown and prices have probably changed.

Nike.2631:

You guys don’t read so good.

No one was buying the potatoes – they were exiting the system, not changing hands. Then the system gave out coin equal to the current lowest for sale offer that was not glitched.

Someone must have detected the behavior when it was in it’s usual coppers per item range, and used all their wealth to buy up every single potato from 45c up to above 70 silver, ALL of them, to magnify the glitch, then set a sell order that didn’t glitch, then unloaded every single potato they bought into the void for 70s per potato. No buyer paid for them. They just transmuted into coin.

They didn’t just make proft on every potato, they made in excess of 10,000% profit on those potatoes the bought below 70c. Ten-thousand percent. And every single potato they acquired was sold at a substantial gain right up to that 70s mark. Then they yanked their orders and tried to hide their tracks, while whatever mechanism that allowed new very high sale offers to stick rather than autoconvert potatoes-to-coin slowly inched downwards from 70s to 5ish.

they went to 70s and disapeared cause the guy took them off cause they won’t sell…

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I vote we end this back and forth dispute. We all agree that 1 copper less than the current price is less. And if it’s less, it sells first. There is no such thing as appropriate percentage based competitions.

And because there are some who can’t understand this, allow me to post an example:

Question – Which item is being sold for less?

Item A – Ecto for 15 silver
Item B – Ecto for 14 silver 99 copper
Item C – Ecto for 14 silver 98 copper

Answer – Item C

Yes, completely ignore the point anyone else is making and say everyone agrees on something.
Yes, it’s less. Do I give even the slightest kitten about the pathetically lower price? No.

Here, let me ask you a question: if you were talking to someone in casual conversation and telling them what the price of ectos was in your example, what would you say?
Or how about the price of a car, listed at $14,995?

set your price as low as you can in the first place. if people undercut you, you are still going to sell. how hard is it to understand?

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

who ever manipulated potato must have lost a hundred g doing it if they really bought up all the stock up to 70s.

Well, how much of that could be sold off to the people that decided to put in stupidly high buy orders after he did it at a profit? I’d imagine most of those orders were clustered around the price it was at before he did it, all of which could be sold at a significant profit to the high orders.

I guess he profited off people’s stupidity but I still wonder if it was profitable at all.

what dumb thief stays in your aoe and or let you cc him?

who ever manipulated potato must have lost a hundred g doing it if they really bought up all the stock up to 70s.

Calae.1738:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

mrstealth.6701:

Ohoni.6057:

The current system ensures that a single player needs to be able to do ALL of those things. It just in no way requires that this particular single player is the one who owns the resulting weapon in the end.

But doesn’t this defeat the purpose of this weapon being hard to get, instead of just being expensive? If the final product can simply be bought, why can’t the components? You do have a point, but the end result is the same either way…a legendary weapon you can acquire with nothing but gold.

I can think of a few other instances in GW2 where people combining bound/karma-purchased items in the Mystic Forge has resulted in bans. I do have to say that I do not support these bans, but the fact is that they happened. That sets a clear picture of Anet’s views on using the MF to convert bound items into profit. Everything about this just looks like a massive oversight, not how it was intended to work.

Legendary Weapons are only bound AFTER you equip them. So if you decide to make one, and then later decide to sell it or give it away, that’s the player’s choice. If you equip it, it’s yours forever.

People are getting so mad that you can buy a Legendary weapon, making it seem as though it’s that easy. Tell me, how many Legendaries have you purchased? You must have many since they’ve become widely available.

The only people you’ll be able to attract are fish. I agree that there are a lot of fools out there willing to part with thier money. No one here is angry at you. We’re just angry at Arenanet for reducing the value of Legendaries to something that someone can buy at the supermarket.

“Whoa… Where did you get that awesome sword oh great warrior?”

“I bought it at the supermarket, it was on special.”

“where did you get that priceless artifact?”
“I bought it on ebay.”

nobody ever eat my pig eggs.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

So are you telling me that if you got a $1 billion contract you’d spend the time fighting to make it $1,000,000,001?
Is that $1 worth that much to you?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t say “kitten it, I don’t care, give me my money”?

if 1 company is giving an extra $1 then you take it.

I’m not saying you’re being handed it I’m asking if you’d care enough to bother fighting for it.

you aren’t fighting for it. you are a prospect buyer and you would buy the cheapest product on the market.

If your seller puts up a bad quote for his items in real life. You might end up without a sale just as in game. If the seller changes the quote, it involves a lot of paperwork and salaries which are consistent with the TP Tax for putting it up for sale again.

You’re paying the salary regardless of whether or not they relist it. It doesn’t increase just because of the relisting.

overtime and such because you aren’t forcasted to have done this. Also any time something drastic changes like this, it could delay your business which would this lose you money.

The delay would already be involved if you implemented that ability here since you’d have to go through the trouble of modifying everything yourself anyway.

I don’t even know what you are arguing with that point.

“You might end up without a sale just as in game. If the seller changes the quote, it involves a lot of paperwork and salaries which are consistent with the TP Tax for putting it up for sale again. "
Oh uh I thought you were arguing against implementing something that lets you relist lower for free or something with that line :/

thats the system right now. You can take the item out of tp and relist it for a 5% tax.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

So are you telling me that if you got a $1 billion contract you’d spend the time fighting to make it $1,000,000,001?
Is that $1 worth that much to you?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t say “kitten it, I don’t care, give me my money”?

if 1 company is giving an extra $1 then you take it.

I’m not saying you’re being handed it I’m asking if you’d care enough to bother fighting for it.

you aren’t fighting for it. you are a prospect buyer and you would buy the cheapest product on the market.

If your seller puts up a bad quote for his items in real life. You might end up without a sale just as in game. If the seller changes the quote, it involves a lot of paperwork and salaries which are consistent with the TP Tax for putting it up for sale again.

You’re paying the salary regardless of whether or not they relist it. It doesn’t increase just because of the relisting.

overtime and such because you aren’t forcasted to have done this. Also any time something drastic changes like this, it could delay your business which would this lose you money.

The delay would already be involved if you implemented that ability here since you’d have to go through the trouble of modifying everything yourself anyway.

I don’t even know what you are arguing with that point.

Anet thinks farming is wrong so they nerf it.

Thus the end game zones have no people since they are doing more profitable things.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

So are you telling me that if you got a $1 billion contract you’d spend the time fighting to make it $1,000,000,001?
Is that $1 worth that much to you?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t say “kitten it, I don’t care, give me my money”?

if 1 company is giving an extra $1 then you take it.

I’m not saying you’re being handed it I’m asking if you’d care enough to bother fighting for it.

you aren’t fighting for it. you are a prospect buyer and you would buy the cheapest product on the market.

If your seller puts up a bad quote for his items in real life. You might end up without a sale just as in game. If the seller changes the quote, it involves a lot of paperwork and salaries which are consistent with the TP Tax for putting it up for sale again.

You’re paying the salary regardless of whether or not they relist it. It doesn’t increase just because of the relisting.

overtime and such because you aren’t forcasted to have done this. Also any time something drastic changes like this, it could delay your business which would this lose you money.

End game is call fractal grind.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Nike.2631:

A change in the rules is nothing more than a change in the rules – it will help some people and hurt others.

At this point there ain’t a lot of sympathy out there for the folks this propossed change would help: those people who priced higher than the market will bear in the time it takes for the next trader with the exact same product to come along.

If you are so concerned about being undercut by a penny, stick to goods that move in high volume… or price so yours is SOLD before that evil, evil 1c bandit shows up to claim the front of the line for your niche.

You realize that if the item is completely overpriced for what the market will bear, undercutting by 1c doesn’t change that fact at all, and in fact makes it stagnate at that overpriced level.

And people who sell at that price are just misinformed and they deserve getting their item stuck for not doing enough research unless they want to re list it at a cost.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Esrever.8613:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

So are you telling me that if you got a $1 billion contract you’d spend the time fighting to make it $1,000,000,001?
Is that $1 worth that much to you?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t say “kitten it, I don’t care, give me my money”?

if 1 company is giving an extra $1 then you take it.

I’m not saying you’re being handed it I’m asking if you’d care enough to bother fighting for it.

you aren’t fighting for it. you are a prospect buyer and you would buy the cheapest product on the market.

If your seller puts up a bad quote for his items in real life. You might end up without a sale just as in game. If the seller changes the quote, it involves a lot of paperwork and salaries which are consistent with the TP Tax for putting it up for sale again.

Yamiino.1827:

I have seen like 3 or 4 pre-legendary weapons drop in about a month, and that’s just my guild.

I don’t think those are lame items?

I get rares and exotics often, you prolly are just not lucky?

Guess it’s just the objective, I play because I like to break some heads, some play for the loot.

I don’t think people even drop precursors in WvW.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

So are you telling me that if you got a $1 billion contract you’d spend the time fighting to make it $1,000,000,001?
Is that $1 worth that much to you?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t say “kitten it, I don’t care, give me my money”?

if 1 company is giving an extra $1 then you take it.

Rieselle.5079:

I dont feel like I’m getting very considered responses here. If we increase the number of capture points, then we’ll be spreading out the players and getting a lot of 1v1 and 2v1s again.

As for zerging, how will zerging beat an organised team of 8?

because the maps are so small and travel time is insignificant. 8 people can kill 4 people defending any point. and repeat before the first 4 spawns.

this game is balanced around 1-2 players engaging.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The significance of the price doesn’t matter. If I were to offer Mithril Ore for 49 copper over someone else’s 50 copper price, or if I offered Dawn for 1999g 99s 99cp over someone else’s 2000g price, it’s all the same. All that matter is that 1 copper less than the current price is less, so it gets sold first.

I just can’t understand how people can argue that 1 copper less can be good and bad in different situations. 1 copper = 1 copper.

If you went to business school and don’t understand significance you should demand your money back.
Significance is everything.
If you gave a dollar to Bill Gates, would he care? No, because a dollar is completely insignificant to him.
If you gave a dollar to a homeless man, would he care? Yes, because that’s the better part of a meal, which is significant to him.
How hard would Bill Gates work to get a dollar? He wouldn’t bother because it’s insignificant compared to his billions.
How hard would a homeless man work for a dollar? He’d scrounge up cans at $0.05 each to get it, because a dollar actually means something to him.

If 2 people were haggling on a price, would anything above maybe $200 ever have negotiations fail over the difference of $1? No. At that point a dollar is insignificant compared to the total price.
Now if the price range was single digits, $1 is a significant difference in price, and could break down over it.

How insignificant is a penny? Companies price things at 1 penny less than the value they want for it ($19.99 rather than $20.00) because the value of that penny is so minor that the fact that a person momentarily processes that as $19 rather than $20 is worth more to them than the penny.

1c on 400g is 25% of a percent of a percent OF A PERCENT of a price difference.
That is so far removed from relevance it’s pathetic.

You keep speaking as if 1 copper is different than 1 copper. It’s the same thing! 1 peso is the same as 1 peso. 1 yen is the same as 1 yen. 1 dollar is the same as 1 dollar. 1 euro is the same as 1 euro. Why is it so hard to understand this?

And in business, profit is profit. Doesn’t matter how large your company is. You fight for every single dollar you can. That’s how you become successful.

people that say 1c undercutting is wrong are probably horrible at business so it won’t sway them with arguments that are logical and useful.