selling dungeons works fine for me, I’m getting up to 35 gold/hour if I don’t make any fails and find buyers fast(many difficulties doing that, you have to be quite a good player and have really good gear if you want stuff done fast – as a post above said, 25 gold/hour is a more or less realistic estimate given how we all make mistakes).
Though I guess just running dungeons with a speedclear party/guild is also a very decent income maker.
My ignore list servers as a filter function – I rarely ignore people without a good reason(and screaming at me in PvP isn’t one for me), so it’s basically just dungeon scammers for me there – a total of 4 people so far(kick duos) whose names i won’t reveal for obvious reasons… And by asking a friend to fill in my party I “filter” those people if they ever manage to join my runs.
these calculations are only correct if you consider that the crit chance is 100%(you’re only comparing critical damage), which is most likely not the case.
It’s impossible to tell if we are unaware of the actual critical chance how much power is required to offset the DPS loss.
The main thing that needs to happen is they need to buff Vital Shot or convert some of its bleed damage into direct damage. Vital Shot is weakish anyway, but especially with a Power build, which leads to an over-reliance on Unload to even maintain mediocre DPS. This affects the entire set by leaving you without any utility to maintain DPS, or without any DPS to get any utility.
P/D is a lot more usable because it’s more diversified – several skills do potent damage and Sneak Attack helps compensate for the weakness of Vital Shot’s bleed stacking. In contrast, P/P has Unload and only Unload.
I’m a full zerk played but I can already feel the fury of condition players aiming at your post.
I have full berserker except for Zhaitan’s Claw trinket.
Pretty much this, Assassin gear ’s not much use though I guess a piece is nice to have for crit procs and, well, balancing out your stats.
I think people are kitten because… WvWers and PvPers also need to explore PvE if they want a legendary.
But exploring 4 maps in wvw is now insane. Right? Right?
This build is not good at all by itself, but a small change will make it immensely viable:
-1 point in Trickery
+1 point in Shadow Arts(Venom Share trait)
Now your thief can significantly contribute to any group fights.
I hope you’ll listen to this piece of advice.
Menzies mentioned that you can cancel your withdraw movement by stowing weapons. A good example of using this is in your shadow refuge when you need to heal or evade something that will knock u out. Cast withdraw then weapon swap so the movement doesn’t bring you out of your refuge!
Cheers!
!!! Please distinguish between weapon SWAP and weapon stow. Stowing is useful for canceling animations, but to cancel withdraw you’ll need to SWAP.
I am new to thief but I found a trick I really like
From stealth on pistol mainhand you can fire body shot and immediately afterward fire sneak attack. Since body shot is a slow moving projectile you are not revealed. You get the target immobilized for the entire sneak attack
It’s a very nice natural combo.
I want to tell you this thing: My Fun build was SB/P+P , and from stealth it is possible to fire a shortbow sneak attack followed up by a pistol sneak attack(same as with body shot but with more immobilize!). Or, well, that shortbow sneak attack is completely hax as you can use it two times in a row!
Pistol Sneak Attack combined with Shadow Refuge leads to tons of life leech. Even more so, if you don’t spam blindly but instead tactically, you can pull off 2 stealth attacks from shadow refuge(that is if you use it offensively of course)
So much actual value in this thread :P
Thanks to everyone!
A ton of good advices
First of all I got confused by “stowing” your weapon to cancel withdraw. I assume you must have meant swapping because stowing is purely a cosmetic thing( I even tried it in-game :-) )
The way I picture the longest-range possible withdraw would be:
Running Forward + Free Camera → Jump + About Face → Withdraw > Swap Weapon(near the end of Withdraw forward movement) → Free Camera(Drop it)
I’ve actually already done that and it feels completely awesome but in combat it’s honestly too hard to do. I’ve done a couple in combat, but it’s a little bit too much buttons and is very prone to failure too.
Do you think I should edit the first post and add your tricks so it’s easier to find and read?
I want this to be a thread where you could share thief combo’s and tricky moves, starting from simple ones(such as Shadow Refuge+Dancing Dagger Life Leech synergy) to weird anomalies(such as trick jumping with Infiltrator’s Strike; Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vW5kfyoXE)
Care to share some of your’s cool moves so that we will improve our skills and knowledge together?
My share of tricks:
Jump + Dodge at the same time for a stylish Air Dodge(Not Thief Specific)
Jump + Withdraw allows you to perform a leap-like effect. Withdraw has to be pressed slightly after the jump – and it is quite tricky to get the right timing(this also works with Roll For Initiative and Heartseeker Strike).
Shadow Refuge + Dancing Dagger to allow for some serious lifesteal.
Infiltrator’s Arrow + Jump right after it. Allows you to get into some tricky places where just Infiltrator’s Arrow simply won’t work.
wow. That’s a different one and this one is much smoother and easier to do.
The more you know :-)
Nice move.
P.S I was referring to cancelling the animation of Infiltrator’s Strike to prevent Infiltrator’s Return ever appearing… Can’t do that anymore for sure.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAV8Yl0MpyplOx7J0PNBNB5dY+SZ0KAdHl+GEA-TlCEABEcEASU9ntUCawBBgJlP5s/Qb6eA4BBklSoHuAABAQAu5NzmtZwyVuyVuyVO38m38m38mlCochVA-w
Is my uptake on it.
Slipperfish S/D which relies on being uncatchable to survive, and uh… insane “gear” to wreck your face?
Also food was supposed to be Bowl Of Cactus Fruit Salad, but no such option existed. Lemongrass poultry is also fine but I hate to bend to conditionmancers. And you should win them anyways if you’re the first to engage as you will have very decent condition removal tools with my(well, classic S/D slightly modified? cough) build.
Oh and Dagger storm is very nice for many things, but even when it looks like it isn’t(1v1 melee), it’s still 11 seconds of stability. Don’t forget that. Though all of the elites are quite usable with this build…
Could you just post your builds in a build constructor? (Because of patched runes, traits etc.)
I’m really curious about the D/P 6-0-2-0-6 builds in WvW and PvP.
I mean I’m also a returner and i would like to try some new things after i came back. My only build, that ever used the entire Trickery line was a condi thief, but I would really like to give it a try in a power based build.
I think it’s a fine idea and people who are reading it are not reading it.
Just as a hint, it has nothing to do with making a new level cap whatsoever.
I think I’ll be branded a heretic for saying that I deleted one…
But nonetheless that was the case.
Because I honestly didn’t like these weapons
My asura theme demands fused weapons/incinerator.
0/10 OP because thief actually can permastealth…
So why are you talking about “no permastealth”, “little to no out of combat stealth…”
wtf? Are we even playing the same game?
And if you want 100% uptime on non-noticeable stealth… Well that’s too hard for WvW sneak-ins. Right now you can get spotted because enemies hear the sound/see visuals of your stealth abilities… Remove that and there’s not even a single hint of a thief sneaking in.
Definitely not complaining- I always have a blast playing my thief. I always, always feel in total control of the battlefield and the thrill of teleporting everywhere is fantastic.
In both PvE and PvP I feel useful and I have a blast. Soloing a champion? Sure! Decap far and then teleport to home to save my teammate from a 2v1? You bet. Evade a zerg in WvW? Why the hell not. Stealth a team through a group of mobs? Oh yeah.
Elementalist used to be my main especially for PvP- I now find myself contributing a whole lot more and being able to support my team extremely well. I rarely die in sPvP matches anymore.
The only reason I play my mesmer is to port my wife through jump puzzles, the only reason I play my Engi is when I really just want easy perma-swiftness or I’m playing for low level friends so I don’t waste map completion, and the only reason I play my Elementalist is.
No cooldowns combined with extreme mobility, control, high damage, and extremely active play has made other classes not nearly as exciting.
At your service.
I understand you to an extent! I mostly play thief now and can’t even imagine coming back to boooooring warrior.
However I still enjoy playing Mesmer and Guardian(guardian for big zergs), and I feel like I maybe should try playing engineer.
I’ve just been wanting to update on your response that in fact Infiltrator’s Arrow is superior to Heartseeker’s Strike(in the time it takes to perform 2 550ish range heartseekers you can cast Infiltrator’s Arrow for 900 range and run 300 units) in terms of Horizontal mobility assuming 100% swiftness uptime(it’s about 8-9% faster movement! But it gets negated by the fact you don’t cast full-range IArrows all the time – it’s quite impossible). But what’s relevant is that you also get vertical mobility and in-combat escape mobility regardless of chills, cripples and immobilizes.
Oh, and when I’ve meant that you die from conditions due to Vampirism, is that you can’t cleanse conditions or use SR when you are in mist form(3 seconds). Conditions, however, still tick and are very likely to down you after you’ve been struck below 20%.
To give a more vivid example, let’s say a strike brought you from 25% to 10% HP. Your mist form triggers, and in the next 3 seconds you get finished off by conditions which are uncleansable as mist form blocks all your spells.
P/P without a second weapon set and Ricochet, Knight+Assassin(Miles away from Power/Precision Equilibrium), Useless food that doesn’t stack with Vigor, questionable utilities, runes and sigils – 0/10 build value
0/4/0/6/4 with pistol/survivability traits is much more decent.
On a side note Ricochet increases your overall damage by 87.5%(extra 25% to a primary target assuming 2 targets) and gives you extra 150 range.
I don’t know, last time I checked all builds were viable here and there but perhaps D/D(still I think it sees some use)/ Shortbow, S/D D/P are very good and common to see.
P/D is rarer, but is a strong and annoying condition build… P/P has been seeing more use after Ricochet buff too, I think it’s quite decent now(using it in some scenarios). So… I don’t think that thieves actually lack in diversity that much.
Oh and that thieves are UP well L2P.
Double S/D and in fact any kind of “Double” is kind of stupid. Very, very stupid.
Now of course as a respectable thief I have a full inventory of Ascended weaponry to play around with. I still do have just a single sword, however, since I can’t DualWield it.
As a compliment to S/D you will want a movement set, that is either D/P, D/D or SB.
And then again Shadow Refuge is irreplaceable(aside from healing and tactical stealth, it also provides nice AOE blindfield and LifeLeech projectiles) while Roll for Initiative feels lackluster.
Superior sigil of accuracy is a bummer. 7% crit chance won’t affect your damage quite as much as Air or Fire would.
I’m baffled that you don’t use Sleight of Hand, I think it’s a very important trait myself as it affects the vast majority of your other traits.
And the traits in Acrobatics are once again super-initiative based. Squishy as we are, Hard to Catch, Pain Response and Vigorous Recovery are the main contenders for being picked.
I think that’s about it. Can’t say I can say much more about your build. TL:DR Your build is terrible. Try to make something similar to Sizer’s build and then add some modifications for yourself/for WvW
I suppose instead of asking that question I should have asked when Guild Wars 2 will be supported by Windows TP(10) :P… I’m going to rollback(install clean…) to Win 8.1 because right now it seems Win 10 does not support GW2 at all.
I’ve been frankly getting tired of my Windows 8 and installed Technical Preview(Win 10) as soon as it was possible. And now I cannot play GW2 because this error pops up. Any ideas what I should do to get it working?
As a side note, I used to play in GW2 before on this laptop and it was just fine.
An obvious troll is obvious.
I can’t even imagine someone even writing it seriously. Why do we need a 2nd warrior class?
And people above who say thieves are weak and need some buffs… wtf.
Thief is such an super-duper awesome I can’t even begin to imagine how a buff to us won’t make us completely broken.
Though I’ll give you that: I’ve been feeding wvw/pvp first 100ish hours of playing thief. But from that I’ve became a monster. Thief is quite skill-based, and it’s important to get the hang of enemy abilities to dodge them properly and strike at the right time(it’s important for every class in gw2, but it’s of the most importance to thieves)
this is a not a full cleave to begin with, only 2 targets… So I think it’s a good change.
What’s weird however is that now Dagger AA chain does less DPS than the sword’s(while the sword hits more targets), and the side benefits(endurance+poison vs weakness/cripple) are pretty similarly rewarding.
^ most people spam AOEs in zergs and Dagger Storm doesn’t really do much against that…
Though, your method works because I’ve tried it firsthand. Not sure why, though, but I managed to stay alive on full zerk thief(lol)
But besides that, my thief is for roaming mostly.. If I want to contribute to a massive fight, I do it with my Guardian. I hope you won’t argue that Guardian is better at zerging than thief is :-)
This build is interesting, but I think is quite unrefined.
Aside from “trivial” stuff such as was mentioned above(food, no ascended, no stacking sigil, just stat related stuff in general), you’re missing out on swiftness completely.
And well, that’s quite a big problem in my opinion, when we talk about WvW :-)
Shortbow instead of D/D, perhaps? It’s one weapon for me that I can’t let go of. It’s just too awesome in my opinion.
I think Rune of Vampirism has a lot of potential, but it shouldn’t block your skills that’s for sure. I’ve tried it and more often than not I’ve felt it was the cause of my death when I couldn’t cure conditions and/or stealth myself.
Well with all the stuff I’ve mentioned this build is 90% FUN 10% practical at best :-)
Cactus soup. This has a lower rate of life steal on Crit but adds 40 percent condition duration. This will help keep weakness and cripple on longer along with other cc type conditions.
I’m sure you’ve meant http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Cactus_Fruit_Salad
rather than http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Cactus_Soup
And Fruit Salad is 40% Condition Duration, 66% Chance to Steal Life(not 33%), and 100% OP :P
I think your build has some serious mobility problems as well. Rather than using Leeching Venoms, perhaps you could consider using some Stealth abilities to allow you to reposition yourself better(you’re really slow!) and enable Sneak Attack(which is very good on Pistol MH)
I could legitimately see the dual skill for swords being the first ever skill to GIVE endurance back. Like, it does some cool evading ability and recharges 25% endurance or soemthing
S/D dodging meta evolved into S/S dodging meta!
<3
But honestly, anything for dual swords. It sounds awesome ^^
wait so let me get this straight….your bored AFTER you hit lvl80? its suppose to be the other way around; bored before lvl80. go do one of the 64165186810 things you can do once your level 80, plus season two is coming…..if your bored right after you reach lvl80 lol man whats wrong with you XD.
Hopefully that was sarcasm. Otherwide I’d have to ask you what exactly you CAN do at endgame that you can’t do before, other than farming for legendaries and running fractals now and then.
1. Farm for shinies.
2. Run all kinds of dungeons(>50 different dungeon paths and then 50 fractal difficulties too). Then, solo some of them.
3. Do WvW. Zerging is not fun? Do some roaming.
4. Open up entire PvE world. Do all the Jumping Puzzles.
5. Complete Living Story Meta Achievements as they come out.
6. Play PvP and be da boss(you don’t need lv 80 to do that, though.)
7. Open all your skills and traits, try out all of them.
8. Complete your Personal Story.
AND MORE
There is BACKWARDS synergy between DB and Caltrops. It’s called condition removal.
Of course, you’ll bring a ton of conditions to make it harder, namely confusion, poison, bleeding, weakness, cripple, sometimes immobilize and blind, maybe torment… But bleeding somehow always gets removed first even despite that..
Of course, unless bleeding gets removed, then your damage is comparable to the power build like S/P… But it’s really likely it’ll get removed, you know.
As for animations, dodging Pistol Whip is also harder than dodging Death Blossom, at least for me. Death Blossom is much more obvious, does not stun, and has near to no synergy with shadowstep comboing.
In full Condition Build, Death Blossom would do around 170 damage/second/stack(~2600 condi damage) and apply a total of 1 minute worth of bleeding(3 stacksx20sec). That’s 10.200 worth of damage from a single Death Blossom. The damage output of that(Please Note that it’s Dire! main stat condi damage and nothing else to be cared about! So it’s also tanky!) is somewhat comparable to berserker, I guess.
Single Caltrops usage would apply 6 seconds of 2 stacks bleeding once per second over the course of 10 seconds, totalling 120 seconds of bleeding(20 stacks x 6 seconds) or 20,400 damage from caltrops.
And that’s how Dire does it’s damage. Full berserker will still do more, but full Soldier(same level of defense) will do less.
Shelter is better, shouldn’t it be known by now… Signet of Resolve is good, but simply inferior. I’d rather be concerned about meditation heal and why I’m running shelter when I have every single trait that boosts meditations… Oh well… because it sucks.
too much hate and arrogance from elitists >_< and yes I’m one myself
but besides that gotta agree that hard ressing does nothing good to WvW… just my opinion though.
I’ve tested with a few other teleports. It works for both Shadowstep and Infiltrator’s Signet, but the timing is much more difficult because of the instant activation. It might work with sword 2, D/P 3, and Steal as well, but I have yet to test them.
Right now it’s possible to shadowstep a golem by using Infiltrator’s arrow and getting in the golem while the arrow itself is still in flight. Do you think it’s legit or it’s a bug that should be fixed?
I’m from russia and we already have ArcheAge OBT :-)
Can you make logical deductions why I’m still writing here? It's not all that awesome at all. Do I need to explain further the problems with 120 classes and F2P(B2W) systems?
