Guild Wars 2

HUGE nerf to mesmers, i hope i will se the same for thieves, BECAUSE IF NOT im gona rage so bad.

Sinnoda.2569:

jportell, you can still take that trait if you want. They didn’t take it out of the game, it’s in a different spot. “OMG, I have to change my build slightly?! MES IS RUINED!!!!”

Even if you don’t choose to take the trait now, will Mesmers be unviable and weak? Most definitely no. Get over it and move on.

You definitely dont have any idea of mesmers because of that bullkitten you are saying, its not an slightly change to mesmer builds, its a huge change, at least for non shatter builds.

They nerf phantasm mesmers because they think they are OP, they leave the class that can 1 shot you from stealth intact…

THIEVES WARS 2 !!!!

DanyK.3842:

Warriors are amazing but most people tend to play them wrong or misunderstand their purpose. I use my warrior for fast far pressure at the beginning of the game usually killing 1 or 2 people at far with ease then switching to close/mid roamer. I run 0/10/20/20/20 and you must be like whaaaa?! No glass no cannons. But believe me when I say dropping bunker eles in seconds, murdering that mesmer at treb before he could fire his first shot and stomping the enemy roamer thief with 100% health remaining never felt so good. With the new patch my build will be stronger yet again. Only thing warriors lack right now is condition removal which will soon be solved. Don’t listen to me tho I only have ~50 games played on warr but I do enjoy stomping those Champion Illusionists and Paragons in 1v1’s. But wait there’s more! Spiking targets at mid and frenzy stomping people with around 80% stability uptime is also pretty nice not to mention I also have 60% reduction on soft cc and 25% reduction on hard cc and dots.
Warriors are not tanks, they are berserkers. They do what thieves do only warriors do it better, faster and with more team support (stuns, immobilises etc). Play aggressive and you’ll have much more fun!

Share with us your amazing build, show us the pandoras box, show us our holy grial, give us our kittenm panacea PLZ!.

Well these are practically the same things said in the leaked ones, if these are true well im very dissapointed, maybe ill leave the game if these things dont satisfy my tastes.

PistolWhip.2697:

Actually I’m fairly sure Thief is one of the only classes hardly anyone at Anet plays. I will play devil’s advocate and ask here:

What other spec should a thief run? What other setups besides burst exists?

If you say condi I will laugh, because they don’t kill anything, they just live and troll.

The only reason thieves go burst is because its one of the only things they can go.

I tried fighting a PvT Amulet thief once, sure they never died, but they did kitten poor damage and were basically ignored the whole fight.

Nah, they go burst because its OP.

The overall damage of the game needs tobe toned down by a lot, the game right now its who hits his burst first, and ussually its the thieves from stealth.

No.

/…….

If this patch does nothing about warriors, wich right now they suck , i will be questioning myself if i really want to play a game where im going to be forced to play another class just because the one i like its just bad designed.

Daecollo.9578:

roamzero.9486:

The best thing to fix warrior IMO would be to overhaul traits/abilities to amplify incoming support (like a trait that increases the duration of incoming boons from teammates, a trait that lets you use your healing power for outside healing sources, maybe even something crazy like receiving an outside boon causes a stunbreak or creates adrenaline etc) . Giving the Warrior too much of its own sustain like some are suggesting would put the class dangerously close to being a “better/selfish guardian”.

Also I do like that Warrior is going in an anti-condition direction but I don’t think the way they are doing it works well, it’s too passive. Instead of flat reductions like that -33% CC dogged match trait and passive abilities to bleed off conditions with the new patch, they should focus on burst immunity/cleanses that allow the warrior to quickly close gap, put in damage, and GTFO in a well timed manner.

Guardians are not selfish. Why should warriors be not only worse then them, but worse in everything else as well. Did you /NOT/ read our original class description?

“As a heavily armored soldier profession, warriors are only second to guardians in terms of enduring punishment.”

Currently, this is very much so not the case, by a far far margin…

With the suppose damage nerfs, we will do less dps then they do. So what is the point to bringing a War over a Guardian now?

I was on pvp today and fought with a ranger that was using a Great sword, he was doing melee not attacking from distance, so it was a melee fight, with his damage and the pet damage i was suffering a lot fo damage mostly from his pet, but not only that, he actually had a lot of sustain he was recovering his life a lot, and eventually i died, this was just so disappointign because how a ranger can be better at melee than a warrior, really warriors are terrible, i cant think anything worse, even if you play them good you are at a lot of disadvantages, and you know something its really wrong when a long range class can beat you in a melee combat, this can not be right.

A lot of people is not even reading the thread, they read the title and then quickly rush to put “yes warriors are OP” …

You should change the topic title for the sake of the thread.

mjharrison.3209:

Fenrir.5493:

tigirius.9014:

Trust me warriors don’t need buffs of any kind. They need nerfs especially in PVE.

Most hilarious quote ever.

Oh please. Everyone knows warriors are OP in PVE, that’s why all the PVE farmer groups run 4 of them.

That guy implied pvp too , read, “…especially in PVE” so he thinks that they are OP in pvp too.

tigirius.9014:

JETWING.2759:

Letf fix “Quick Breathing” and Signet of Stamina" of Warrior.

Conversion could be:
- Burn, Bleed, Poison and Torment = Regeneration (DOT = HoT)
- Weakeness = Vigor (low endurance regen = high endurance regen)
- Paralise = Aegis (unable dodge and escape of skills = block incoming attack)
- Chiled = Might (skill usage/mov spd reduction = extra dmg)
- Criple = Switfness (Ok!)
- Blind = Fury (Ok!)
- Fear = Stability (Ok!)
- Confusion = Retaliation (Ok!)
- Vulnerability = Protection (Ok!)

In atual mode, warhorn #5 are useless cause chiled and bleeding grant vigor, and warhonr #5 alredy grants 12s vigor with 16s CD. warhorn #4 alredy cancels chiled/paralise/criple and grants perma swiftness, there is no reason for more swiftness in warhonr #4 and #5. I think this is waste of treat points that affect the warrior.

Signet of Stamine’s passive efect need stack with vigor for grant some advantage, like another Signets that stacks with swiftness and gives advantage in mov spd for another classes.

I think this two changes meke the things more just

Trust me warriors don’t need buffs of any kind. They need nerfs especially in PVE.

Most hilarious quote ever.

I have inmo… no prob, GS 3!!!… OH WAIT IM CHILLED!!!

Vayne.8563:

I’m probably going to get nailed for saying this, but I don’t have a problem with the ranger changes. The long bow did need a bit of a buff, the short bow was always a bit OP, and I don’t think the pet changes, over all, will make that much of a difference.

I know there are people who compare ranger damage to warrior damage and scream bloody murder, but in the open world, I probably have more success on my ranger than with any other profession. Dungeons are harder, but still doable.

I guess if you’re not min/maxing…or not in the I have to kill everything in two seconds camp, rangers aren’t nearly as bad as people say.

There are those who think rangers to completely under-powered, but I’m not seeing this myself in my own game play.

Neither do i when i see inmortal rangers that regenerate to everything and insta reviving (idk how they do that), and actually the pet damage nerf was really needed, they were more dangerous than my warrior, they could just kill you while the ranger was siting regenerating to everything.

JETWING.2759:

I think Anet want make GW2 what NCsoft made Adventurer, Duelist and Grand Kavatary in L2, giving insane power to 2 or 3 classes for gain fans or adepts.

I prefer leave the game that join Thieves or Mesmers.

I have a mesmer wich i like because its effective and its somewhat easy to play, but i dont like a lot his gameplay style, i like my warrior more, but its like playing in super hard difficulty with him at least in spvp , in pve i have no problems with him, i keep playing both but the warrior its clearly underpowered and not a bit, by a lot, and really hate that in order to enjoy the game i should play another class just because the class i like its really poorly designed or underpowered with no justifications.

Thieves on the other hand are for players that explot things, yes, thieves tend to exploit perma stealth, super burst damage from stealth too by the way, and now they are giving them a new condition, so we can not move to try to avoid their burst, if any class its really OP its thieves no other class its capable of perma stealth in the entire combat and then just burst you down with 1 or 2 abilities.

But like you, im not going to make a thief i find them boring, and my mesmer… meh i really dont like a lot his game style either, so ill guess im going guardian since they recieved buffs that were not needed but, well thay were already a balanced class now they are going to became OP for sure and they are melee so.

uberkingkong.8041:

I thought this post was in regards to hotjoin farming, but its not.
Warriors are underrated, they are still a good class to play and still dish out the most damage. That’s why most cof p1 runs are with warriors because they are still #1 damage dealers.

A lot of high rank players play warrior for a reason.

Take a look at this screenshot, do you know why that rank 67 hotjoin hero plays warrior?

Because he is a masochist.

Caffynated.5713:

Properly specced, it’s almost impossible to immob, or consistently chill/cripple a warrior.

LOL sure…

Arkanis Drako.5169:

Fenrir.5493:

The problem is that, they buffed everything, and what happens when you buff something that was already balanced or OP, it becomes OP, or very OP, and what this have to do with us?, well, warrior was at the bottom of the dirt… they are buffing them (i suppouse? but actually i dont see many good things like other classes) but they are buffing everything so warrior will stay at the bottom of the dirt, so… nice “BALANCE” there, its like they always want to balance in favor to thives and mesmers.

I think that´s a sign, that these are not the upcoming changes or at least not the final
ones, as ArenaNet described that they wanted to avoid it:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-skill-and-trait-changes/

" Why don’t we just increase the power of weaker skills to match the most popular ones? Well, the problem is that then we get into something called power creep; the power of all builds and classes keeps rising as we keep making improvements, which causes instability in game balance."

Also while most of these supposed changes sound credible,
others sound just unlikley.

Hamstring for example is supposed to become the third chain skill on the sword
and has it´s cripple duration reduced to 1 second. That´s just useless and robs the skill of its purpose. 1 second immobilize, yeah maybe, but one second cripple, that is nothing.

They also posted a few weaks ago, that warriors lack sustain in PvP, which
5 seconds of reduced cooldown on all healing skills would not account for, in my opinion.

And were changes to the discipline´s measly 0.1% burst damge per point even mentioned?

Same with the greatsword´s burstskill. They wanted to do something about it,
they even accidently updated the tooltip to list might, months ago.
Yet nothing about it in these notes.

I simply cannot believe, that they would make so many changes and not
do something about these issues which they acknowledged for a long time.

I really, really want you to be right, i hope you are right.

XII.9401:

Fenrir.5493:

The problem is that, they buffed everything, and what happens when you buff something that was already balanced or OP, it becomes OP, or very OP, and what this have to do with us?, well, warrior was at the bottom of the dirt… they are buffing them (i suppouse? but actually i dont see many good things like other classes) but they are buffing everything so warrior will stay at the bottom of the dirt, so… nice “BALANCE” there, its like they always want to balance in favor to thives and mesmers.

Yep. Gearing my necro as we speak.

Man im think im going guardian or continue my mesmer, because this is just hilarious.

The problem is that, they buffed everything, and what happens when you buff something that was already balanced or OP, it becomes OP, or very OP, and what this have to do with us?, well, warrior was at the bottom of the dirt… they are buffing them (i suppouse? but actually i dont see many good things like other classes) but they are buffing everything so warrior will stay at the bottom of the dirt, so… nice “BALANCE” there, its like they always want to balance in favor to thives and mesmers.

They were real, because if not someone would have told it already, and there is nothing, and worse, because they are already threads about this deleted, but still no info, so they know the issue but not saying anything because they are for real.

Caffynated.5713:

Warrior has the second best mobility in the game

Everyone can kite a warrior all day.

There is already a psot to this subject.

Now to add variety and diversitiy of theves build they have now the option to burst your hp to 5% then let you die walikg like a penguin.

kostbabis.8791:

mesmers and thieves get new condie..now a thief punish you for moving
lol the forum rage will be so fun!Cant wait

They need to buff their chances to one hit kill people from stealth, its mandatory.

It seems that the warrior its going to remain perma kited and now even worse with the torment condition we are going to die trying to catch someone.

Hermes.7014:

However I’d bet ten bucks Thief is the class going to suffer the most from this update.

You are very optmistic.

The thing i cant uderstand its why the most stupid traits(the minor traits) in the tactics line are not going to be reworked, i can garantee that they are the most stupid traits of all classes.

It cant be… it seems that the tactics line of the warriors its not going to be reworked, i mean the useless minor traits you get there reviving allies… what a joke.

No. plz this cant be truth, tactics are going to stay the same? with those stupid reviving minor traits?, this is ridiculous.

Ok i will bring my worries/thoughts about these info we got there:

-First condi removal for warriors on burst, It is good, but not that good if it is going to be a trait, worse if it is a major trait, why?, because we are now going to be forced to trait that, because one of the great weaknes of warriors is condition damage, everyone its going to feel forced to get that trait, and if it is in the last traits its going to be worse. This would be better if all burst abilities had this remove condition utility for everyone and no need to trait for them.

-I hope one of those traits complete removed are the minor traits on the tactics line, they are a waste of trait points and bring no us,e no value to any build in the game, warriors rol its not to sit and revive people, they are just really bad designed.

-My thoughts on the new condition as a warrior/melee class:

Warriors are going to die so fast to the new necro condition, we have very little oportunities to stay in close with range classes, they ususally snare us or slow us down wich that means we are going to keep walking to them, which means more damage taken from that condition, this is going to be bad you will see.

And this torment condition comes to thieves too?, cant be true, they dont need buffs they need nerfs and severe ones, first of all to stealth mechanics they need to be reworked, then nerf their burst damage or do something so they can no longer one shot people 2 shot or 3 shot if you have thougness from stealth, and no more reset the fight when im going to die. They get this and now they are going to be more OP, this is not fair.

This is for now the thoughts i have, if i have more i will post it on another post.

I really hope they get rid of those stupid traits about reviving allies, they are just a joke to the class, its like throwing traits to garbage.

osif.8673:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

/reading comprehension

Oh the irony. Maybe just look at the title of the thread?

Anyways for everyone else that seems to be worried about Torment… burst skills removing conditions. Plural. Conditions. Albeit, we may have to specc for it… I think warrior condi removal will be better than just average.

Now like the elementalist wea re going to be forced to trait that.

Shinki.8045:

My prediction is 20 points in Discipline. Discipline is all about bursts and most of the 20 point traits were boring/underused.

So, now its going to be like the arcane traits in the elementalist tree. Bad design.

Faranox.4217:

Guys, we don’t even know what it’s going to be. Chill out, wait and see.
Sounds like they’re giving us a reason to use our bust skills. That’s a good thing. We’ll see how it plays out.

If it is a 30 points trait, then i will be very disappointed.

Warriors are going to die so fast to the new necro condition, we have very little oportunities to stay in close with range classes, they ususally snare us or slow us down wich that means we are going to keep walking to them, which means more damage taken from that condition, this is going to be bad you will see.

Not seing anything worth for warrios there, its a big disapointment, they focus on necros while they are in better condition than warriors.

Red Raven.7824:

I love the title of this thread.

It implies with its poor wording that Anet is thinking of changing how hundred blades works. Most likely we will not be seeing any changes.

Anet has made no mention of this ability in recent discussions/interviews and is likely to stay that way.

Greatsword is already too good of a weapon right now, any more buffs would render every other weapon in our arsenal useless.

Im not implying anything it was just a question to the warrior comunity.

Steven.6425:

im a thief and my 7k backstab isnt more OP than your 15k killkitten. dont even get me started. LEARN TO PLAY.. you can easily land all of 100 blades if you play smart and not like a dumb warrior. You can immobilize on cripple when you throw your greatsword and if it hits them from behind aswell thats a good 3-4 seconds of immobilize. you can also throw bolas or oh wait…. stun them for 4 seconds with a sigil on your mace burst. learn to play

Only thing i can say to you

I feel sorry for you right now, you dont know what it is coming to you!, im just going to wait and see the humillation you are going to suffer in the next posts.

Does not need a change, period.

Bryzy.2719:

Ahahah, you must be kidding right? Buffing an already OP skill? Seriously, L2P

Another thief.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Jeeze! 4 Pages?

in GW2, Thieves will kill you fully armored or not.

Pretty much this, thieves are OP, thanx for your contribution.

Yocairo.4257:

I’m sorry but I couldn’t hold my laughter. It is very obvious this guy is a former wow player, trying to apply those mechanics in gw2. I imagine him as a backpedaling, greatsword swinging zerker himself. He most likely played a roflstorm warrior. He’s clearly kitten because a “Rouge” as he’d call it, trolled him and he’s yet to improve as a warrior to /laugh and kill that Thief the moment he unstealths.

“Yuo guise pl0x stop hitting me in teh back cuz I no turn so fast with me keyboard”

I’ve played wow for 5 years at least and rogues were always OP, yes I mained one for a long time as well. They had a low skill entry and high skill cap. Hell be glad thieves aren’t the evasion, CloS ing, vanishing, prepping, immortal things rogues were.

The thief community did it’s thing once more, pick out the bad apple. If people have such a problem vs BS thieves, why not test and improve instead of yelling every thief is OP. I am a thief, and I can avoid backstabs 50% of the time.

What also cracks me up is that he is asking for extra armor “because real life”. I’d be fine with that if you moved at 25% speed of other classes!

HAHAHAHAHAHA rogues in WOW OP!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious i cant stop hahahahahaha!

You know what is OP, to go in stealth every time you want without any penalty, go into stealth any time in combat and not getting out of stealth if you get hit or if your attack its blocked, you know whakittens more OP?, the ability to OHKO someone from stealth, NOW THIS IS OP.

In WOW you cant do that, NEVER, its not possible, rogues were the less populated class because they were very hard to play, specially because the armor thickness in WOW mattered, it was not the same to wear leather, tha to wear plate, it was not the same to have 2 daggers than a 2 handed weapon, the rogue was in a dissadvantage there, HERE, thieves dagger attacks does more damage than a 2 handed weapon, the armor in this game is not really that importat as it was in WOW.

Now , rogues cant stealth anytime in combat unless they used vanish wich was 2 min cool down with talent points, or blind you then try to stealth themselves, if during stealth they got hit, they were revealed no matter what, same if you failed an attack from stealth, there is no way, it never happened, they would OHKO someone from stealth, their more offensive ability from stealth “ambush” roughly did damage an even less if you were wearing plate, rogues in wow were pretty well balanced and clearly only good players had the ability to kill the real OP classes.

Thieves in GW2 are just a joke, really if they were under the mechanics of WOW 95% of them will reroll another class.

Deathspike.1870:

eldain stenlund.4306:

If you want a similar test.. just take a 2 mm thick metal sheet… then take a knife.. and stabb away all you like.. you never gonna hurt the metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31n2tj7Qi8

You were saying?

That chair is made with the most poorly fabricated steel, you cant compare an armor quality to a cheap chair.

Feed.4531:

A solution.

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Hundred Blades
Root yourself and immobilize your closest target. Repeatedly strike multiple foes. The last strike does extra damage.

Damage (8x): 1380
Final strike damage: 345
Range: 130
Immobilize duration: 2½ seconds
Channeled: 2½ seconds
Cooldown: 10 seconds

Increased cooldown from 8 seconds to 10 seconds.
Increased casting speed by 30%.
Lowered damage by 15%.
Gains immobilise.

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Now it has greater utility in PvP, while remaining viable for PvE builds. Plus it’s still avoidable with condition removal or block, unless using certain skills such as SoM.

Yes this is pretty much the best solution, like the f1 skill of sword.

Doctor Orderly MD PhD DDS.7625:

Daecollo.9578:

As a developer said:

If a Warrior is required to CC someone before they can damage them, then something is wrong with the class.

Undoubtedly quoted falsely or out of context, or concocted entirely, but anywho: a warrior isn’t required to cc in order to damage at all. The rule goes for just one of his moves, namely HB. And if HB requires CC for full effect, the move is not bad, but niche. And niche skills increase the depth of the gameplay.

Nope, the quote its from the last current state of the game, and he was talking about the warrior needing to land a cc in order to do damage, there is no false subejt nor out of context and not conocted, its the main argument of the discussion, see the video if you still have doubts, but i dont think you have doubts you are just trolling thief.

Blurred frenzy its good as it is, is not a very damaging ability at all, im sure the people that hate that skill are thiefs that hate they can not backstab when blurred frenzy its on… Really the damage its no great even if you hit glass cannons like thieves backstab—— > ;heart seeker spamers.

Well i used this in spvp and it was very good at first when people dont expect a bunker mesmer, i was tanking like 3 people and they dont even knowing what was going on in there, sadly the build weakness its condition damage, low damage output and its too dependant on stealth and chaos armor, if you find yourself with any of those you are as well dead.

But it is pretty fun i have to say, you dont expect to survive a lot with a mesmer and this build does that well, you can stand in a point and hold it tanking a bit, then if someones joins (someone good) then the enemy its not going to take the point unless they are very good players.

I came back to the usual phantasm build with a few personal tweaks and i like it more than bunkering, it is fun but reling in someone else to kill its too painful to me, not saying the build its bad, just its not my style, there are other bunkers that do a lot more damage and have better sustain like the engineers, even if you put berserker amulet the damage is istill bad, and using torch for the stealth gimps you a lot from usefull skills, and staff its not a very good source of damage.

Up to this, still needs attention.