Guild Wars 2

Legacy.7360:

Well played players can be very effective with warriors.

Give the Water works a break. In all honesty, many classes need some serious help.

L2play – Yes I Went there.

How does that work, a player beign played i mean… sounds like the matrix.

The minor traits, voila!

Gmtsai.6349:

Stop, just stop it people. While you guys are crying about warriors suck, there is someone already made a very strong build and been running in tournaments. The build is really viable and counters current Meta. Stop crying before you really understand warrior. Don’t just make lots of posts, lots of comments, lots of videos to make people think warrior sucks.

A warrior in high tier level pvp is there and been running a strong warrior comp, and people cannot handle it including me (I have faced the warrior today).

I don’t know if this will bothers the guy that I’m talking about, but I’m going to give out his name so people will go watch/ask him before you cry to warriors.

His name is Anas Tarcis, please, go ask him something before you cry so kitten warriors.

It is really annoy to see a community to cry on a thing because they all suck, and it is really annoy to see a community to cry on a thing that actually good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TrAn2a2bvko

Anastasis.7258:

Have been theory-crafting a new build these days. I think warrior is very good now if you can play correctly with my new build, and I think we don’t need any buffs. If they buff the warrior, my build will become OP… and getting nerf because of the community’s complain. I don’t really want that happen to me because I theory-craft so hard lol…

regards.

Either you are so big fanboy or you have a big ego that makes you dont want to admit that your class suck.

Defektive.7283:

I’m the kind of person that would bring the chair back into my shop and fix it myself instead of waiting for corporate to come to my rescue.

Considering a number of my clients are huge corporate accounts with insane red tape and time tables to get things done, I don’t put much faith in an expedited response.

Good luck fixing something that you dont even have acces to fix.

But in the reality is all other classes can be, just look at the core game mechanics here and see why the problem of the warrior moslty is not in the core of the warrior mechanics but instead in the other classes mechanics, making the warrior a class that does not belong to this game entirely.

Lets see :

-Most of the classes can generate boons through weapon skills , warrior cant…

-Most of the classes have evades or teleports on weapons skills, even stealths…. warrior dosent.

-Most of the classes have burst skills that can be used while moving and do pretty good damage…. warrior dosent

-Talking about this burst skills again, other classes can make burst from a really long distance, they are instants, they can do it from stealth or the burst comes from an npc that is not controled to the player, warrior dosent have any of this.

-No other class have telegraphed skills… warrior has (yay!! at least warriors have something they dont!!!)

-Other classes have acces to be bunkers, they can regenerate through everything,have acces to protection, aegis or vigor, warrior cant have any of those, even when its very justified to warriors have protection because of their heavy armor status they cant.

-Other classes have great acces to conditions, warrior has acces to bleeds and burning, but even if you build around conditions the damage it isnt great and you are better being an archer from a far relying on the other people to do the work for you, and really 2 conditions?… while necros can spam the hell out of everything and even engis.

-Other classes have heals that are balanced around their healthpools and have great utlities on them they cure condis or block or even evade… warrior again dosent have anythin, as a matter of fact, every healing skill of warrior are terrible and in very unjustified long cd.

-Other classes can heal from other weapon skills utlities… warrior cant heal from weapon skills, and through utilities you need to expend 30 points in tactics to health a pity amount with shouts, its just terrible.

Im sure im forgeting some OP mechanics that other classes have and warrior dosent but i cant remember right now.

Lets see what a warrior can do to these classes:

Stun them? not a chance baby, teleports for the win, even on weapon skills.

Go melee?, not a chance again, chills,criple,inmovilize,stuns are looking at you…

Gap closers?, sure savage leap is good but is on a lame weapon that when you are close to the target you cant do any damage to them and guess…. teleports for the win…

Stealth!, one of the most anoying things, use your shield to prevent the burst from stealth sure!, block, block, block, block…. damm block is off…. BACKSTAB!!! 80% of your health bar is gone now!

Again stealth… where is this guy?… hea ppears in front of you, oh kitten, is a clone!, LETS TARGET THE REAL ONE!, I KNOW WHERE HE IS NOW!…. Tab….Tab….Tab….. TAB….. TAB…. OMG im going to click, this kitten is not working…..im dead…

You are going to kill someone this time, and then attune to water and starts healing like a mad, he is now full health again ready to kick your kitten ….

You are going to kill this time again, then the thief decides its time to escape… stealth…. a couple of seconds later he is back with full health.

You try to kill a ranger now, sure they can be beaten they are allways QQ in the forums that they are bad etc, lets see… you start landing your best attacks and he is yous enduring everything, regenerating every damage you are doing,, wait you can poison him… sure why not… oh wait.

There are so many OP mechanics on this game that is going to get really long to list them all, but i know people have an idea of what im talking about even if they play stupid pretending they dont.

Warrior is not allowed to be OP, devs are afraid of doing a lot of changes to the class so they can counter all of this OP mechanics other classes have, they are not allowed, and i dont know why, is not like the game is going to be more messed up than it is now with all of this stuff i said and more i dont said… it seems warrior is the only class that is some sort of balanced but i doubt they are going to bring the other classes to the level of the warrior, they cant in fact because core mechanics in those classes are OP by design, they cant be changed, warrior was created with another mentality, a view that dosent belong to this game.

Good luck trying to burst someone with arcing slice… while a mesmer can call of a bersekrer or a duelist and do like 6 times more damage (what is funny is that this berserker does more damage than the real warrior doing a whirlwind) and he can do it from range, from stealth whatever, or a thief landing you a surprise backstab lowering 80% of you hp in a single hit, or an elementalis, or whatever.

One of the problems with the warriors is a lot of fanboys play warrior.

galandor.1059:

Fenrir.5493:

galandor.1059:

I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.

Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.

No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.

Actually, I am seeing that, I just said that, whether you think another class is better at a certain task is your opinion, it is not fact.

Well lets go to facts then:

Warrior class suck.

But in the reality is all other classes can be, just look at the core game mechanics here and see why the problem of the warrior moslty is not in the core of the warrior mechanics but instead in the other classes mechanics, making the warrior a class that does not belong to this game entirely.

Lets see :

-Most of the classes can generate boons through weapon skills , warrior cant…

-Most of the classes have evades or teleports on weapons skills, even stealths…. warrior dosent.

-Most of the classes have burst skills that can be used while moving and do pretty good damage…. warrior dosent

-Talking about this burst skills again, other classes can make burst from a really long distance, they are instants, they can do it from stealth or the burst comes from an npc that is not controled to the player, warrior dosent have any of this.

-No other class have telegraphed skills… warrior has (yay!! at least warriors have something they dont!!!)

-Other classes have acces to be bunkers, they can regenerate through everything,have acces to protection, aegis or vigor, warrior cant have any of those, even when its very justified to warriors have protection because of their heavy armor status they cant.

-Other classes have great acces to conditions, warrior has acces to bleeds and burning, but even if you build around conditions the damage it isnt great and you are better being an archer from a far relying on the other people to do the work for you, and really 2 conditions?… while necros can spam the hell out of everything and even engis.

-Other classes have heals that are balanced around their healthpools and have great utlities on them they cure condis or block or even evade… warrior again dosent have anythin, as a matter of fact, every healing skill of warrior are terrible and in very unjustified long cd.

-Other classes can heal from other weapon skills utlities… warrior cant heal from weapon skills, and through utilities you need to expend 30 points in tactics to health a pity amount with shouts, its just terrible.

Im sure im forgeting some OP mechanics that other classes have and warrior dosent but i cant remember right now.

Lets see what a warrior can do to these classes:

Stun them? not a chance baby, teleports for the win, even on weapon skills.

Go melee?, not a chance again, chills,criple,inmovilize,stuns are looking at you…

Gap closers?, sure savage leap is good but is on a lame weapon that when you are close to the target you cant do any damage to them and guess…. teleports for the win…

Stealth!, one of the most anoying things, use your shield to prevent the burst from stealth sure!, block, block, block, block…. damm block is off…. BACKSTAB!!! 80% of your health bar is gone now!

Again stealth… where is this guy?… hea ppears in front of you, oh kitten, is a clone!, LETS TARGET THE REAL ONE!, I KNOW WHERE HE IS NOW!…. Tab….Tab….Tab….. TAB….. TAB…. OMG im going to click, this kitten is not working…..im dead…

You are going to kill someone this time, and then attune to water and starts healing like a mad, he is now full health again ready to kick your kitten ….

You are going to kill this time again, then the thief decides its time to escape… stealth…. a couple of seconds later he is back with full health.

You try to kill a ranger now, sure they can be beaten they are allways QQ in the forums that they are bad etc, lets see… you start landing your best attacks and he is yous enduring everything, regenerating every damage you are doing,, wait you can poison him… sure why not… oh wait.

There are so many OP mechanics on this game that is going to get really long to list them all, but i know people have an idea of what im talking about even if they play stupid pretending they dont.

Warrior is not allowed to be OP, devs are afraid of doing a lot of changes to the class so they can counter all of this OP mechanics other classes have, they are not allowed, and i dont know why, is not like the game is going to be more messed up than it is now with all of this stuff i said and more i dont said… it seems warrior is the only class that is some sort of balanced but i doubt they are going to bring the other classes to the level of the warrior, they cant in fact because core mechanics in those classes are OP by design, they cant be changed, warrior was created with another mentality, a view that dosent belong to this game.

galandor.1059:

I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.

Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.

No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.

Manijin.3428:

Defektive.7283:

IDK why I keep coming up in these conversations.

It’s because, as far as the forums go, you stand out as a leader for the warrior community.

LOL leader…

Im pretty sure i have seen a lot better warriors in game that dosent come to put videos or guides because people smart enough wont give their builds, game tricks, if they did so then they are hurting themselves, they are more playing than pretending they are someone on a game.

That guy only wants attention thats all.

Ad even if we had some kind of ubber player that dosent change the fact that warriors are at the bottom of the food chain, just go try other classes and see for yourselves, if you were maining a warrior and then you switch to another class voila! you clearly sense a difference, a huge one.

Envy.1679:

Fenrir.5493:

Envy.1679:

Fenrir.5493:

At least someone understanded the idea but well others prefer to keep playing stupid, what can i say.

WoW for example had a “Target Nearest Enemy Player” when you press tab you dont scroll to npc or mobs, you only target players.

maybe next time you can SAY that instead of telling everyone theyre stupid for misunderstanding. if someone misunderstands something its your fault that you didnt explain it in a different way.

learn to write your ideas better, youre writing skills are horrible.

The tittle is very clear, also, your writing skills are horrible too, not using capital letters when they are suppoused to be used, hohoho.

at least people can understand what i mean when i type…

P.S. how many times are you going to misspell title?

Dont know, do you have a goal on not using your caps letters?.

Amadan.9451:

is this the thread where you can write insults to each other for no reason?

so, i read the title and the post and i didn’t understand either untill i read somebody apparently got it.
and finally understood (also i never had a use for this feature so i could have never guessed what you were talking about).
can be nice i guess in wvwvw to have it

Pretty much come to this because people cant just politely ask to my what i was talking about if they didnt understood at first, they decided to make fun of me and jump to conclusions (stupid ones) and try to look smart kitten.

But well i hope this ends, i will make another topic probably and let this to sink.

So much defektive sponsors(cheerleaders) here.

Jae.5138:

watch defektive’s stream. We have viable builds out there and you’re just not aware of them.

You are nothing special people stop trying to be someone in a game plz.

Archer Henchman.2534:

Wait, eles’ burst can be mitigated with certainty?
Melee shatters off mirror images can be mitigated?
Melee range whirlwind hitting 4 times can be mitigated with certainty?

Okay.

Unless you are an idiot or blind yes.

Envy.1679:

Fenrir.5493:

At least someone understanded the idea but well others prefer to keep playing stupid, what can i say.

WoW for example had a “Target Nearest Enemy Player” when you press tab you dont scroll to npc or mobs, you only target players.

maybe next time you can SAY that instead of telling everyone theyre stupid for misunderstanding. if someone misunderstands something its your fault that you didnt explain it in a different way.

learn to write your ideas better, youre writing skills are horrible.

The tittle is very clear, also, your writing skills are horrible too, not using capital letters when they are suppoused to be used, hohoho.

Velron.3729:

I don’t feel weak at all.

Try my build out and see if you have any success with it. I have Necros cussing me out all the time.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-sFBCx;0VKkP0d4cLVQ0;9;59T9J;13;018A0;027-4RF2S;1CoF2CoF26BW

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

At least someone understanded the idea but well others prefer to keep playing stupid, what can i say.

WoW for example had a “Target Nearest Enemy Player” when you press tab you dont scroll to npc or mobs, you only target players.

My bad i saw tree answers and i just posted quickly, at least i can admit my mistakes, but you people still cant understand a simple tittle yet, ill guess i have to wait, and i am guessing if people like you read anets suggestions well, that explains the current state of the game.

Hamfast.8719:

Fenrir.5493:

Now i know 3 people that dont have reading comprehension skills.

Well let me try then. (Our reading skills are hampered somewhat by your atrocious writing skills, you must admit.)

It seems to me that you believe we have to mouse-click to select a target? Is that your problem?

Open your OPTIONS and go to the CONTROLS tab (the mouse icon). It should look like Envy’s attachment. Scroll down to the TARGETING section and set it up to use any keys you desire. No need to target by clicking your mouse on an enemy.

Viola! Problem solved! (Assuming my reading comprehension was adequate.)

Read topic tittle and try again.

Now i know 3 people that dont have reading comprehension skills.

Again, we need this to happen soon, the target system is really compromising the game, how can you pretend this to slide, this will not slide, people knows the terrible target system we have, this is not a good target system for a competitive game.

This game has a lot of incoherences like this, an action game asking you to become CLCIKER to target your enemy, is like asking to clik in a shooter to select your target before you can do damage to them, ridiculous.

I have my mesmer wich i love lol, because its efficient and easy, but also like/hate my warrior, but i posted a lot of damm times in the suggestions that we need a “target nearest enemy player” thats one thing that hurts the warrior a lot, the enemy npcs, and that is one HUGE advantage to mesmers i mean HUGE, fighting an enginer in his turrets mess and targeting all their kittening turrets and when you actually target the engi you are dead, lol, just one example of the terrible target system.

Kryptonite.9376:

Fenrir.5493:

Terrible.

/15char

clueless kittening puppy

fool kitten puppy

Terrible.

/15char

Can you change your kittening topic tittle, you want more nerfs or what?

Lol at the fanboys.

Your problem is called warrior.

I dont think any good warrior is capable of wining to a good mesmer 1 on 1 that is the reality.

But i suggest you drop the hammer, its no usefull for anything gs offers you the ability to run if things are bad (the only thing that warriors can do, funny isnt it?) and sword is really bad too, what is your source of damage with sword? crappy auto attacks? , savage leap is only a gap closer and does kitten damage, final trust?, is an unreliable skill against any good player, no one would eat that, and you need your target to be in 50% healt otherwise is going to do a kitten of damage.

No sigil of paralization? seriously?, the more time you stun lock a mesmer the better, i recomend you to switch to gs / mace/shield and get the shield trait (more blocks and stuns), and put in mace and shield sigil of paralization, mace offers a stun,a daze and a block, and weaknes on normal attacks, gs offers hb and movility, chain stun+hb, but it will not always work, specially if your opponents knows how to use stun breakers

The trick against a mesmer and thief is die fast so you will respawn faster.

So if i dont agre with your nonesense im not beign productive, do i need to agre with all your crap so you say im productive?.

Very mature indeed.

jmatb.6307:

That was mature lol

You want mature responses?, post mature content, like recognize that there is no stat that reduces condition damage, then we can talk about mature.

Very MATURE try of a necro to not get nerfed, but i have to tell you that the devs already stated that they are going to tone them down.

Vitality does not reduce condition damage keep your crap to yourself.

peter.9024:

Fenrir.5493:

Priest.8752:

In the current meta (wvw mind you) a warrior is invaluable right next to guardians in the melee train. GvG fights do not bring rangers as anything they can provide (again WvW) is brought better by another class. That said, I’ve never inferred that rangers aren’t fun and cannot be an asset to a group. I live by play what you enjoy as you will be better at it than playing what is fotm. But if we’re comparing the two in the current WvW, rangers lose hands down.

p.s. I play a ranger as well as a warrior

Still warriors suck.

I kinda like this mentality. It means that warriors will get buffed more! Although they are weak in spvp, I don’t think that they are completely unplayable. In fact I think a good warrior will still catch out most of the other classes.

-To be average with a warrior you need to be a very good player, and you still are handicapped.

-If you are an average player you will be good with any other class, and if you are really good player you are going to be a very powerfull whatever class except warrior of course.

That means that if we pair 2 players with the same skill always the warrior its going to be in disadvantage and will probably loose unless the other player really screw something and the warrior gets very lucky.

I dont hate warriors by the way, i like them a lot, but im only saying what is the state of the warrior right now, im sure they have its uses like in pve, but in pvp they are in a very bad situation.

Priest.8752:

In the current meta (wvw mind you) a warrior is invaluable right next to guardians in the melee train. GvG fights do not bring rangers as anything they can provide (again WvW) is brought better by another class. That said, I’ve never inferred that rangers aren’t fun and cannot be an asset to a group. I live by play what you enjoy as you will be better at it than playing what is fotm. But if we’re comparing the two in the current WvW, rangers lose hands down.

p.s. I play a ranger as well as a warrior

Still warriors suck.

sostronk.8167:

Thanks guys lol. Yeah Im loving it. So much more balance than my home WvW. For balance discussion… Thiefs are alright, but Im loving the Necro though. They win games single handedly lol.

Try warrior.

I will be simple, armor does a kitten in this game.

Always an image speaks better than thousands words.

We are talking about anet devs, they dont use common sense, look at the thieves and necros.

If you are going to do pvp stay with ranger, warrior is the worst pvp class.

If you dont want to use burst skills you should make a guardian.

Oh, you are worried!, my god this is serious!

Dirame.8521:

DanzelOPP.5068:

What class would you rather have stalling a point? A warrior or a guardian? A warrior or an engy? A warrior or an elly? A warrior or any other class? I just feel ( like a lot of people) there can be a spot for warrior and I also feel that a more supportive role could get them in the mix quickly without having to completely change your play style or build. With the current condi overload, an the warriors lack in ability to deal with condis, a few simple changes like this could make them more viable and give them sustain. They have a lot of direct damage mitigation with no condi removal? I main elly and I can remove a lot of condis..which allows me to stay in a fight. A net brought up boon hate…we have no class that punishes the boon haters.

You want a Warrior for every one of those questions, why? Stability. They have so much stability up time it’s ridiculous (20 seconds traited, 25seconds with Rune of Lyssa). Couple that with 10sec immunity to condis (traited), 8 second immunity to direct damage (Shield 5 and Endure pain traited) and cleansing Ire and you’ve got yourself what could potentially be one of the best side point holders in the game.

And that is why everyone mains a warrior in pvp, they are an unstopable beast.

LOL , a thief is complaining about warriors!, the things that one sees in the forums.

no……………………………………

DanzelOPP.5068:

I don’t think ATM bunker is the role for warrior anyways. They should be a good dps, but I think if you gave them more of a supporting role people would be more likely to use them. That’s why I am saying you give them some kind of reflect…which applies to allies, it would be a good counter to the current condi rollers. a lot of teams are running double necro, warrior having barely any condi removal, would be an easy target. Throw in a reflect and they won’t need condi removal and they would be that much more viable

That wont solve anything, i already mention what is the core problem of the warrior, if he cant bunker it means he has no sustain, im not saying that any warrior should bunker you shouldnt misininterpret, but it should be an option to the class, because warrior is known for tank capabilities in other games, but not only for that, because that way warrior should gain some sustain.

The problem with warrior is that the class dosent belong to this game.

Warrior cant bunker, unlike all the other classes except thief, but thief dont need to be a bunker to succeed with all that stealth, evasion,vigor,teleporting and high burst damage from abilities that has no risk to use, can be spamed at any time, well you can see the picture.

If warrior cant bunker it means that the only possible way to build a warrior is for damage, no matter how tanky you are, armor/toughness in this game dosent matter, other classes with low armor and health can bunker and they are most of the time imposible to kill, and they dont need huge armor to do that nor high health pool.

And that is why warriors dont belong to this game, its a class that is working on other games mechanics where armor and health matters, while the other classes work on guild wars 2 mechanics where armor and health dosent matter.

You main a thief, what do you expected, now if you were playing a warrior things wold be different.

Warrior cant bunker, there is no such a thing for a warrior class, reroll if you want to bunker.

To those who say that perma evasion thief cant do any damage, just again, to show the pathetic thieves that posted here that they are wrong:

Its like flavors, there are many flavors of the same thing!.

Black Teagan.9215:

Being.7928:

Our heals is what needs to be looked at.

Um what!

You can heal with Healing Surge 8,5k hp, that is one of the best healskill in this game.
Ok it has an cd of 30, but on the other hand have you the best base hp (after necro) and more as enough skill to reduce incoming dmg to 0.

/facepalm

Just to make all those thiefs that posted here feel pathetic showing the truth of this OP class: