Guild Wars 2

Oh, no. I remember you from the BLTP sunforum complaining about being forced to sell your things at a higher price that you wanted.

We don’t need (any more) nonsense here in this subforum. We have enough for one year or two.

(Half) Jokes aside, get to level 80, get some gear and try again. You’ll be surprised of how easily every boss falls. <:

LordByron.8369:

50.000 tentacle attack…
Something is bugged.

I will refrain from calling bs, as you might be actually telling the truth, but I will also refuse to believe this without any sort of proof, namely a screenshot.

Gyler.8150:

mexay.3902:

It’s simple, stop joining groups that ask for zerkers. Stop expecting to be able to run your crappy 1/5/3/2/5 builds on your rangers in FotM 49.

It comes down to understanding the content. PvE is all about damage with the way the AI works. Yes, you can run other specs and it works, but it takes far longer and it’s ultimately pointless. Toughness and Vitality are incredibly selfish stats. They are simply there to allow you to make more mistakes, that’s it.

The only time you’ll be kicked is if you join the wrong group. Join casual runs and you wont have a problem.

Wait how did they get so many extra trait points? Rangers OP!

Pet gives you two extra trait points, apparently.

Goon for Hire.7150:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

FriskiestSpoon.6289:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Actually, if you knew how to play without stacking, you’d realize that this statement only applies to a selected few bosses. Heck you can even do it without the PVT armour.

Basically all you’re doing is prove the OP’s point.

Just by being in melee range you are stacked. So playing without stacking would mean ranging.

Let him be.
He probably doesn’t want to cheat by using the logical reasoning exploit.

Honestly, I won’t bother. There’s no reasonable debate to be had, only a handful of so-called “pro” players belittling and rediculing others for not seeing things exactly their way. Add the outlandish arguments (“if you melee you’re stacked”; seriously, what the hell?) and I can see myself wasting more time and energy here than is entirely healthy.

So you know what? I don’t care. Things haven’t changed for the better part of a year, and I don’t have enough time to waste on a useless internet argument. Unless A-Net changes how stacking works, people will believe that it’s the intended way to play, and they will fight tooth-and-nail trying to justify it. And, if more recent boss battles are any indication, the developers are indeed trying to get away from the whole “stacking meta”, which I personally can only see to be beneficial for the whole game.

So I’m just going to relax, lean back, and wait for things to improve. I don’t have any illusions about A-Net re-vamping the old dungeons but who knows, maybe they’ll surprise us.

kthxbye

If Alphard’s bone wall won’t go down, try relogging (both of you). It always seems to fix this issue.

FriskiestSpoon.6289:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Actually, if you knew how to play without stacking, you’d realize that this statement only applies to a selected few bosses. Heck you can even do it without the PVT armour.

Basically all you’re doing is prove the OP’s point.

Just by being in melee range you are stacked. So playing without stacking would mean ranging.

Let him be.
He probably doesn’t want to cheat by using the logical reasoning exploit.

Laar.5476:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Intuneric.7652:

God, dont you get tired of those “stacking is fine, we dont need skillful gameplay, we want games that hold our hand and give us fast reward with little effort” replies ? I mean comeon we all got it that YOU think that stacking is fine. I personally dont think it is. But thats what i think and your point of view is what YOU think. So please do us a favor and stop crying because people want to some challenge in their game. Why are you even replying, you get tons of people stacking so you can play the way you want! Have fun. cough

Because challenge equals to going full PVT and kiting every enemy to death with ranged weapons.

The challenge is staying awake.

Easily done with the coffee/energy drink exploit.

Yaki.9563:

Dalanor.5387:

Yaki.9563:

Dalanor.5387:

Yaki.9563:

Saint.5647:

Because they play in full cleric gear or something so they don’t need to ever dodge her attacks. They don’t likely notice that they get weakness on them either. They literally do stand there and press 1 without dodging.

I guess they just assume everyone else does the same thing but they somehow ‘exploit’ it faster.

Why would you ever dodge the spider queen? It’s not like you can tell she’s targeting you and not one of the other party members. Every dodge basically wastes DPS so you’re better off just standing there in your full zerk autoattacking. And that’s what every single group does, no matter what their gear.

Weakness can reduce outgoing damage of players by a stupid amount, just sayin’.

AE condition cleanse says hi. I guess 1 person in the group has to press a button once during the fight. Hard.

You overestimate average pugs.

And you’re wanting them to dodge? Fact is, you can kill all the bosses in AC wearing berserkers gear and not pressing anything but autoattack, without dropping below 100% energy. Kholer should be required as he seems to be the only remotely challenging boss, though I’m sure eventually someone would find an exploit and claim it’s legit then everyone would just autoattack stacking next to a certain pillar, or down a couple steps, or on top of a certain rock.

kitten running through the trash is more of a PUG killer than the actual bosses. You actually have to have stability or keep up with your group while moving.

You’re a funny man. I like you.

Intuneric.7652:

God, dont you get tired of those “stacking is fine, we dont need skillful gameplay, we want games that hold our hand and give us fast reward with little effort” replies ? I mean comeon we all got it that YOU think that stacking is fine. I personally dont think it is. But thats what i think and your point of view is what YOU think. So please do us a favor and stop crying because people want to some challenge in their game. Why are you even replying, you get tons of people stacking so you can play the way you want! Have fun. cough

Because challenge equals to going full PVT and kiting every enemy to death with ranged weapons.

Stooperdale.3560:

I’m guessing that the old crit damage was only based on the attacker’s crit damage stat. I’m guessing that ferocity is modified the relative levels of the attacker and the defender, then converted into the critical damage bonus. The result would be bigger crits against lower level targets and lower crits against higher level targets.

This kinda makes sense.

Ferocity made lower level dungeons much shorter and higher levels a little longer. So basically, if mobs have Ferocity now, that might be the reason they hit us harder.
It’s not that bad, though, we used to get two-shot by them, now we’re getting 1shot. No biggie.

Neko.9021:

…………………….

Wuuuuuuuuuut.

WHAAAAAAAT?!

Sorry, I don’t normally get this mad, but this a whole new level of upsetting that I need to comment.

It is not MY fault that players that I PUG with end up as bad players. I take PERSONAL offense to being told that just trying to run a dungeon quickly, even telling people where to go and how the fights work, is somehow me contributing to making players bad.

-snip-

+1

Alice.8694:

Neko.9021:

It is not MY fault that players that I PUG with end up as bad players. I take PERSONAL offense to being told that just trying to run a dungeon quickly, even telling people where to go and how the fights work, is somehow me contributing to making players bad.

And I do not take kindly to kittens like you telling us that we’re making PUGs worse by helping them to get through dungeons in the least painful ways possible. If a PUG wants to get better, it’s their responsibility to get better, NOT MINE.

Over-reaction much?

In your own words “telling people where to go and how the fights work” you are already doing what I suggested, no? Or Perhaps you missed the part where I specifically said:

If you want a solution to my issue, when you carry a newbie through a dungeon and use stacking. Explain why it works to them and in what situations it would not work.

Finally

I take PERSONAL offense

And?

While his comment did have a little overreaction in it, it is true. If new players want to learn, they are free to do so and it is no one’s responsibility but themselves’. If someone else wants to lend them a hand, then that’s cool. Good for them.

At first I ridiculed your post as it looked like the typical anti-stacking thread, and though it wasn’t, you’re still wrong. Stacking is not what makes players bad, unwillingness is.
When I first started playing again and everything had changed, instead of expecting anyone to take pity on me and help me to catch up, I researched a bit, learned a few meta builds, found out what the best strategies were and why and then put them to the test, and guess what? They worked.

I am by no means an excellent player, but I like to believe that at the very least am a decent one, and when anyone asks about something I know about, I gladly instruct them, but only when it is them that seek help. I won’t go out of my way to help reluctant people.

hedix.1986:

4. Orr – used to have been fun, with chain events, interactive Temples, campaign feeling etc. Before the Megaserver!

Excuse me, but before the Megaserver and after the first few months of this game’s release, Orr has been dead -no pun intended-. I’ve seen lots of people there post-megaserver, though and everyone’s doing those chain events.

chaosgrimm.5837:

Enaretos.8079:

Think for a minute. I’ve been talking about rampagers for a reason. All the other condition damage sets bear defensive stats. These shouldn" get near a full zerker build at all ! All condition builds are viabl btw, you can do your dungeon just fin, just don’t expect to be fast. Rampager could get the buffs I talked about but not the other sets.

The point about defensive stats is valid, on the other hand… its pve. You could also point out that zerkers arent equal. thief gets medium armor, rangers get range, etc. If the amount of hits that you’re able to take should always be countered by lower dps, then thieves should be king instead of wars. I wouldnt be opposed to a new condition armor if it is that big of an issue.

“Guys, it’s PvE, so it risk-reward balance doesn’t matter and no one should put a bit of effort into completing any of its content”.

Also, do you seriously believe that the reason people prefer warriors to thieves is related to pure damage?

Tman.6349:

Apply rune to white item. Move item to appropriate character. Salvage white item. Apply rune to desired armor.

Make sure this white item is salvageable.

Ecole.2349:

- Doors will not open until all mobs in the preceding area have been cleared. This is to prevent skipping, obviously. This should be a thing anyhow. I can’t count the times I’ve been booted for wanting to run the dungeon properly, there are people out there that are 100% convinced the devs make content that is supposed to be skipped. I weep for the lfg T_T

Hahaha! You’re kidding right?

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sanderinoa.8065:

Alice.8694:

The guy they fired, whose list of contributions to the game all seemed to kinda suck?

.

Nooooo! No disrespecting hrouda on the dungeon forums! This is a sin beyond belief!

If they ask for forgiveness they’ll have to recite the holy berserker prayer 10 times.

Someone link it.

I like it when people enjoy my craft.
Here you go.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Remember to always place your trust in the Holy Trinity of DPS.

• May Power, the Father grant you His Might to rain death in the form of large numbers on top of your enemies.
• May Precision, the Son, with His Fury guide your blades into the flimsiest of their armor.
• Though fallen, may Ferocity, the Holy Spirit, imbue you and magnify the virtues of both, the Father and the Son, so that your blows may fall heavy on your foes taking on the shape of more hard-hitting crits.

Spared and blessed be the followers of the Assassin that, though slightly bent on their ways, share our vision of smooth and efficient speedruns.

May you never degenerate and fall and be led astray to the misguided ways of the Rampager, or the nefarious path of the Soldier, or the wretched lanes of the Rabid.

May your faith in the Berserker never falter, your Fury never quenched, and your Might always stacked to 25.
For Great Justice!
Amen.

Senticon.3452:

OP’s post is just hilarious. In fact, after some events I try to avoid any party with Zerker prefix on it:
I main Ele which is almost glass cannon mixed up with some survival traits/skills. And when I joined this 4 Zerker Warrior PUG, I had to tank bosses and was doing great as it in fact, while those Zerker Warriors had to switch to bows/rifles, bc they got almost instakilled 2-3 hits. I don’t see why ppl can’t see that if you want to inflict heavy DPS you need maiximum 3 party member for it standing still and hitting hard, while Guardian sustains full damage mitigation to party and some other class making great job at crowd control not letting anyone close to DPSers. Some players are really dumb…

Getting paired with subpar zerkers doesn’t make other builds any better.

Alice.8694:

mtpelion.4562:

I wouldn’t say that stacking has ruined player skill, rather stacking has removed the need to learn many fight mechanics and thus many players are ill-prepared to handle the fights the “right” way.

A player who doesn’t know what they are doing can easily beat many dungeon paths by stacking, which is fine, until they show up in your group that is doing a path where stacking isn’t going to work and that player hasn’t learned anything about dungeons.

Nice to see someone understands.

Well, then we can agree that stacking isn’t the issue. The issue is that people don’t like to learn and will almost always opt for whatever alternative takes the least amount of effort.

What do you propose? It is difficult/impossible to help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

Alice.8694:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Good heavens! For a moment I thought I had missed our weekly anti-stacking thread.

I haven’t read anything, but I suppose that the OP argues that stacking is not how the game is meant to be played, that only bad players use it and whatnot, as usual.

Incorrect… But nice try!

Are you sure? It was pretty accurate, imo.

Perhaps I should’ve added that other people playing differently than you do ruin your fun.

Either way, I’ve grown to love these anti-stacking/anti-skipping threads.

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

oilstorm.1748:

cranked.3812:

It’s funny that you were “so mad that you didn’t think clearly”, but yet you had the foresight and patience to wait until the the boss was at 5% health. Your excuse is worse than your behavior and you should be banned. Doesn’t matter if the guy was running cleric’s and you asked for zerk. Either gear check in the beginning and kick or don’t do it at all. YOU are the problem.

^My feelings exactly. It seems hardly fair for someone to put in the work only to be kicked at the end.

I disagree. From the moment he decided to join the group without fitting the required criteria, he was in for a kick. The only reason that keeps people like that in a group is that they often don’t get spotted right away.
I don’t kick people when we’re far into a run, but that’s because I’m too nice.
I don’t like it when they get away with it, however.

Good heavens! For a moment I thought I had missed our weekly anti-stacking thread.

I haven’t read anything, but I suppose that the OP argues that stacking is not how the game is meant to be played, that only bad players use it and whatnot, as usual.

Abusive.1849:

reading this thread made me realize that I’m the only one who likes the GS to be big in size.

I like large swords, but I like thinner ones too.

P2W item? You realise that if you were to convert 250 Gems into gold, you’d get enough to rebuy those runes and still have some more to spare? The item itself is so bad that it can’t be considered P2W.

I’ve heard it often. I find it interesting.

moraldino.6482:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Friend, there are way more important fixes out there, and frankly, I doubt there’s anyone dull enough to fail to grasp that the American flag means English.

Whoever developed this must’ve been fully aware of it and will ‘fix’ it if they see it fit.

Finally, you have spoken up about it, so I see no further necessity to go on with this thread. It will get bumped to the top a few more times by people expressing their lack of concern about this matter and then it will die.

Well, lets turn that around and say: I doubt theres any Americans out there that fail to grasp that the British flag means English. Right?

You speak as if you were some kind of a moderator/oracle over this forum and thread. Though the future of this thread is unknown, and if people wants to join this discussion then feel free to do so.

Oh, you can turn things around as much as you please, but regardless of how many times you do so, the flag won’t morph from American to British.
You want them to change this, even if it doesn’t affect gameplay in any way, shape or form. I would prefer that they focus on the more important aspects of the game, instead of petty matters no one cares about, except stuck-up kittens. Whether they decide to change it or not, that’s up to them and I could not care less.

moraldino.6482:

I’m not an american, nor british. I just would like to see things kept correct and logical to prevent confusion. And if it do occur, then I feel its our responsibility to speak up about it.

Friend, there are way more important fixes out there, and frankly, I doubt there’s anyone dull enough to fail to grasp that the American flag means English.

Whoever developed this must’ve been fully aware of it and will ‘fix’ it if they see it fit.

Finally, you have spoken up about it, so I see no further necessity to go on with this thread. It will get bumped to the top a few more times by people expressing their lack of concern about this matter and then it will die.

’MURRICA, FREEDOM, BRAVERY.

No one cares.

LadyTrouble.6920:

The dungeon community is not hostile; society functions the same way. If you do not have the grades that meet the school requirements, the school does not accept you. And if you apply for a job, and do no meet the job requirements, you don’t get hired. The school wants to teach a certain kind of student, the employer wants a competent person who can add value, and the gamer wants a smooth dungeon run. How is a dungeon different?

Oh, this is the part where they argue that this is a game and that games are not meant to take any effort or some bullkitten like that.

Arise, my brainless, arise!

Bread.7516:

MHCerberus.1385:

This has probably been posted and discussed to it’s bitter end, but I haven’t read it! I love running dungeons.

Yes it has been posted by you, it has been discussed in your thread, and you have read it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Skipping-in-Dungeons

^ Your thread about a year ago.

MHCerberus.1385:

This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?

Obvious solution – make your own groups, filter people. I bet you already knew that.

Someone got told.

They got introduced several patches ago, but only look like that from some angles.

Reminds me of cats’ and other animals’ eyes.

I wish they would re-add them.

Hey, I’m in those screenies!

Caccis.9087:

Jerus.4350:

If you have it labeled zerk/meta/speedrun or some other indication that you’re expected to take the generally accepted DPS builds, then there is nothing morally wrong with kicking players for being unable to follow directions.

If I don’t post any LFG note, and kick someone because they don’t fit what I wanted, then yeah, shame on me.

If I posted what I wanted, and you just decided that my opinion didn’t matter, you’re the kitten, not me. Though personally I still feel like a jerk every time someone gets kicked in my party, which is even worse because i feel bad because you just don’t give a kitten about my opinion, making you a real big jerk in my book for not only wasting my time but making me feel bad.

I do respect it, of course. I will not join your groups ever

If only everyone was this practical, there would not be issues with the LFG.

I imagine that the guy in the party OP mentioned didn’t like being taken for a fool.

While I agree that asking for experienced zerkers may slow things down, I do prefer to wait doing something else like watching videos, working on something else, chatting with a friend/gmate and whatnot than wiping constantly due to bad pugs.

What I do with my time is none of anyone’s concern. I don’t join no-skipping play-how-you-want groups, so why would they join my groups?

LordByron.8369:

no its all mobs for all istance…

Unless they suddenly get 90% crit chance.

Well, I’m sure you’ve heard this already, but I’ll say it anyway: “RNG”.

If only ANET would:

• Remove the clowncar’kittenbox so that it doesn’t absorb cleaves and other abilities.
• Reduce the number of spawns from said clowncar so that it doesn’t take 1/4 of an hour to finish that part alone.

These two things would make me and presumably a large part of the population not hate it so much.

On a side note, projectiles from Oscillators and Resonators do always get reflected, but have such large hitboxes that they will hit you if you stand right on top of WoR or the edges of Feedback.

No solution for this so far.
If two people want to screw the whole group -themselves included- they can just kick the owner. Fortunately, this doesn’t happen too often, unless it is accidentally.

Make sure to remind them who the owner is when in doubt..

Everyone pugs.
One time I got a warrior using Rampage as their Elite in a lv50 Fractal. I was sad.

nelzack.7205:

CuRtoKy.8576:

I noticed this:
PvE: People want to run PTV even though zerk is better.
WvW: People want to run zerk instead of ptv/tanky dos

I find this funny

What do you mean by “better”?

Short answer: http://thesaurus.com/browse/better

Long answer: Because it’s more desirable and efficient considering game mechanics. If someone can time their dodges well enough and use their active defenses properly to make stats such as Vitality and Toughness trivial, that person might as well get rid of them and focus purely on offensive stats.
Now, given that conditions have a limit of 25 stacks and the bizarrely high HP pools most bosses sport, that kind of gear is nowhere near to Berserker gear in terms of damage (Condis are godly in PvP, though).
Healing Power’s usefulness is rendered null if people time their dodges and active defenses, too.

I hope that’s clear enough.

I was actually agreeing with you. Jerk.

I like speedruns, so I usually ask for zerk gear and XP. If others prefer to run differently, that’s none of my business.

Khandarus.2738:

I thought games where for fun, if people like spending their timer perfecting every little thing let them, if they find fun in not doing that, let them.

Fun has several different meanings, including, but not limited to:

• enjoyable
• pleasant
• entertaining
• amusing
• lively
• boisterous
• convivial
• merry
• witty
• diverting

Efficiency is fun.

Try this in the LFG:

“Story|Watching cutscenes|All welcome”.

Problem fixed.

Vindred.1352:

Well, I shouldnt say boss fights. More like boss prefights. Example: Traverse the marsh. Not hard, provided you are with a coordinated and communicative group. However, you lfg that stuff and there is at least ten minutes constantly going back and forth. It’s not rewarding or challenging, it’s just frustrating.

You’re at low levels, aren’t you? The higher you climb, the more trivial this part becomes.

If they would replace that pointless invuln with irremovable Stability, this encounter would feel less annoying.

Verdis.8472:

Is this happening to anybody else? I’m looking through the new bank wardrobe and when i preview a pair of boots, the dye colours i’m currently wearing don’t preview with it. All other parts (head, chest etc) preview with the dyes i’m currently using (blue, black scheme) but when i preview any pair of boots they are orange :S

Bug?

I’m a Necro Female, if that means anything.

Gender – CHECK
Profession – CHECK
Race – Pending

Race is usually more relevant than gender or profession when it comes to these issues. :P

Nikkinella.8254:

its not just with necros. fear is just broken in general and procs multiple times now. Stick runes of nightmare on any class and you can keep your enemy perma feared. even procs when your opponent hits mesmer clones.

This got fixed not long ago. The clones, I mean.

God Of Mustard.6354:

Agreed. Although I also agree that zerks should not go into a party thinking that its going to be a full zerk party. Party labels are there for a reason, people.

I can say I’ve never joined a party that doesn’t specifically ask for experience and zerker gear.

dkspins.4670:

All the people saying, Yippee – we can re-trait for free, it’s wonderful! Question for you: Come on, how often do you re-trait your toon? Sure, I’d do it going in and out of WvW, but the paltry 3.6 silver was no big deal. A way around it was to level up another toon to 80, same class different build. I’ve 14 level 80’s, one of each class,
Now I look at my lowly 31 lvl mesmer who had 2 adept traits now with 1 minor trait and wonder how much I want to level her up. Not too sure about that. Would delete her, but she’s for a guild I’m in (already deleted her predecessor who was 80 because I didn’t like her looks).
Anyway, I can see how daunting this would be to alot of players. Personally, I don’t like Anet’s “new” idea of horizontal progression. Have a feeling many will tire of this.

Not everyone has the time to create 14 characters, gear them up, delete one and create another.
Also, the cool thing about the new trait system is that you can retrait everywhere, instead of having to visit a trainer.