They made the same mistake a few times in a row now without learning.
PvP team and Balance team should not be separate. Every pass ends up doubling down every nerf and buff.
Don’t mean to sound like a fanboi but gw2 is still the better mmo pvp game to date. If it’s because of their system in place then I can’t argue with it.
Other than Ele, I can’t imagine any class struggling in pvp this meta.
That’s only true in high elo, take an average skilled warrior and match him against an average skilled DH. The DH will won everytime.
And ele are ok btw..
Banner of Tactic is the next OP.. idk how but I saw someone use it and he was a GOD in tf even though I beat him back to back in 1 vs 1.
The build is losing some potency against DH. I think I can beat a node assaulting DH, but a node defending DH is a different story. Preset traps are no joke.
Indeed. As a Strength warrior though, I feel it’s a bit better. You optionally remove the aegis with a ranged skill, then close in with a dodge (Reckless Dodge) or with GS #3, and don’t lose too much doing so as you inflict damage. I keep the signet of might either for the focus or the virtue, and this definitely help pressuring them. Tough fights, though – especially if they’re mobile guardians.
Incidentally, I’ve been trying S/D thief recently, after watching Sizer’s stream. It’s very fun to play, easier than I thought, and he uses the Lotus dodge, like we use Reckless Dodge. Coming back to the warrior, I found myself guilty of double-dodging… and it worked better than expected.
Signet of might is a gimmick, a good DH shouldn’t lose against a SM warrior unless you manage to pressure him enough… can always be wrong though still I ran SM during S2.
Kind of weak if you ask me… his build has no defense… You d literally die in a second.
Lmao, I can5 tell if the op is being sarcastic or not … thanks for the laughs!!!
Balance is getting somewhere. But there are still issues with the core game, which is pretty much impossible to fix unless there is an overhaul.
Here is a short list of a few of the issues:
-Matchmaking is questionable
-League system is grind based instead of being skill based
-Rewards are abysmal compared to pve, and are not skill based
-No objective quantification of skill. Personal skill is measured by subjective bias, esports status, and how you convince others you are good. Players have difficulty getting into the esports scene because of this.
-Lackluster tutorial into pve
-Skills are too multi-faceted. They do too many things when they should just be kept to a single effect.
-Too much AoE
-Too many forgiving builds and passive traits
-Lack of diversity in builds because of elite specializations.
-Lack of diverse game modes
-Few maps
-Spectator mode still buggy
-No replays
-Personal score does not indicate your performance. Leads to toxicity
-Poor statisistics. Does not indicate your contributions to your team very much.
-No solo/team que split
-Few tournaments
-No leaderboards
-Pvp music is repetitive
-Visual effects are disorienting in large teamfights
-Powercreep
-Low pvp population
-No surrender/resign function like in gw1
-No build templates
You are pretty much describing the thief class. Don’t you think they ought to be nerfed? Rethorical question, since I know you’d favor a thief nerf. Especially the evade condi spam build. Way Way too forgiving.
Sorry but this thread is a bit wierd. Here are a few facts:
Bola works great with rifle builds
Bull charge is a great alternative to outrage, some people including myself run bull charge over outrage
As far as the banner are concerned ?? Really are every skill supposed to be used in Spvp?Few facts,
I use rifle warrior and no rifle warrior would use bola on it, i got to legendary on rifle warrior. I know for a fact since i saw you in season 1 and 2 that you got to ruby season 1 and diamond season 2. I was using rifle warrior when you were using mace/shield greatsword with defiant stance. Im not trying to throw shade but bola is not in a rifle warrior build.
Bulls charge is a decent move and i concede to that.
Last thing is banner was used alot when this game first came out. When bunkers where very good and 8 vs 8 were in hot joins. Also right before HOT shoutbow was the best build for warrior with a you guessed it a banner.
The idea is to create better better traits, more diverse builds options for PvP. Saying that bulls charge can be used over 1 other skill that is used among 20 utility skills where 2 are a must and you get 3-4 options between your last skill that could be useful. Thats terrible.
Actually I used sword shield / gs strength def zerker till season 3 ended. Yeah, I get the idea but you are being overly optimistic. There is no such thing as two great builds.
Sorry but this thread is a bit wierd. Here are a few facts:
Bola works great with rifle builds
Bull charge is a great alternative to outrage, some people including myself run bull charge over outrage
As far as the banner are concerned ?? Really are every skill supposed to be used in Spvp?
@jourdeline you missed chaith Kappa. He was being sarcastic
Is warrior A or B tier now?? Mind you I only use power warrior.. or were engis ninja nerfed?
The patch notes show that they took an axe to Scrapper.
Where as the only nerf War got was 10% reduction to Adrenal Health. Add to that the Buff to Axe and the ability to stack Endure Pain and Defy Pain means that War (and power war particularly) got a lot stronger on a relative basis vs Scrapper.
That’s exactly what I am noticing..
Don’t worry. There’s always a little downtime after an overpowered build and skillset gets nerfed where the players have to upskill again since they got lazy from being carried by sheer mechanics/numbers.
I’m sure they’ll get back to giving you a challenge eventually. That or just reroll because it’s easier
True
Bunker guard was never good tbh, so removing clerics isnt really a nerf. It may actually help medi DH to have a better time, excluding related buffs.
You don’t know what you are saying. Bunker guard wad the most OPEST build last season.
Yo man, you always say that bunker guard was OP, Im starting to think that you’re not trolling
Of course I wasn’t, last season I came to the point where I would rather 2 vs 1 against a necro and rev than 1 vs 1 against a bunker guard. I lost every single game against one.
-Insane node control
- Crazy res potential, 95% chance of rezzing downs
- can’t lose a 1 vs 1 at least against power build.
And much more!!
Bunker guard was never good tbh, so removing clerics isnt really a nerf. It may actually help medi DH to have a better time, excluding related buffs.
You don’t know what you are saying. Bunker guard wad the most OPEST build last season.
Scrapper are so weak atm that I am beating everyone of them Drop Top Coupe, Java and even chaith ( whose engi, I have yet to face). They are a lot more balanced.
I have beat java scrapper 4 times back to back, we’re they nerf or something. I even won 2 vs 1 against java and his duo partner (DH, something i couldnt achieve before. Drop Top Coupe (another great engi), who used to give me trouble, is getting 5dawgs’ed as well. And I have also 3 vs 1 caed, with and engi and power ranger?
Is warrior A or B tier now?? Mind you I only use power warrior.. or were engis ninja nerfed?
Hello there,
I’ve been trying a physical warrior again, since the patch has buffed them. I’m having a lot of fun, plenty of CC, tremendous mobility, very good damage… What’s your opinion on the buffs of the physical skills?
A tiny disappointment in the damage reduction of the Hydromancy sigil, which was not negligible in the overall damage output.
Hydromancy sigil was OP compared to fire and air sigils because unlike them, it could crit.
U’re kidding, right?
So obindo, what are the new sigil for power warrior?
I had it, the game is unplayable.
For the life of me, how is this possible?? Fix your game please, lost twice in row already.
Check the ping:
I have attached my in-game ping, and here is what ping test.net says:
Which build are you using? CI or RR carrion/viper?
The carrior RR build is what most people use, unless you are facing a team full of necro.
Originally I tried the meta macebow with wanderers, do you have links to those builds you mentioned? Im looking for one that excels at 1v1s
Check shin’s build: http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRAsf5enEdAlkidhAWhAEliFjADZEsCWeGBgNYO7t4mcfuA-TJBHwAlfCAAOJAq3fIZZAA
You can replace the sword shield with Lb. you should check tarcis build as well.
idk if it’s still works, but it def great.
Which build are you using? CI or RR carrion/viper?
The carrior RR build is what most people use, unless you are facing a team full of necro.
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you fight a skilled daredevil with proper gear you will be rekt
you fight a skilled druid with proper gear you will be rekt
you fight a any spams a lot dragonhunter you should be dead and rekt
you fight a pro dragon hunter, u will always die
no one wants you in wvw except for your banner
no one wants your gimmick 1k heals(shouts)
banner boi
anet is marvelous, they lower our output damage(if you havent noticed this, you dont have rights to reply. just compare old youtube videos(not 2-3 yrs ago) but atleast 1.5 yrs back)
they lower our heals(output), they took out banner trait for cd/dmg.
they gave us adrenal health which wasnt needed and most warriors now run defense(if you dont think this is true, then you most likely belong in the non most warriors kthanxbai)(which needs a nerf btw, probably in berserker mode with the aoe spam)
yes they do need to nerf other classes as well, lower output damage on some skills on thieves, lower sustain on classes like druids and scrappers(but really they cant give a good warrior a good fight anymore(adrenal health op))
nerf dragonhunter, i dont know how honestly(change multipliers *wink))*
the end
- banner boi
oh p.s: i feel bad for mesmers..yes even the dire ones
give dmg back..(slowly being nerfed since jun 19th 2015)
nerf berserker primal burst in conjunction with adrenal health(i.e grant 1 stack of adrenal health on burst during berserker mode)
increase shout heals
cd reduction trait for banners
oh and the biggest of all..give warriors mobility.
Pretty much this.
Only three classes even have viable condi builds right now:
- Chronos
- Reapers
- Berserkers
All three of these condi builds are hard countered by marauder/berserker specs.No need for a weakness like condition vs. condis. Why? We already have condition clearing skills, traits, boons like resistance and skills like berserker stance.
What meta power builds are countering those?
- Condi Chrono gets chewed by any direct hits from any power build.
- Reapers or Necros in general, have always been hard countered by CC/Power builds due to few resources concerning stability and stun breakers. They are especially hard countered by Daredevils.
- Condi Berserker is hard countered by Power Berserkers and Dragonhunters.
Condi bezerker is counter by power bezerker?? i don’t think you know what you are saying.
We will talk if you upload a vid of you beating Lb/mace shield Tarcis with your power warrior. And btw, i have beat him his condi build once with my power build.
I have tried any combination of power warrior, i made strength/zerk and def work (highest power output), but mediocre against revenant. Got to diamond, 3 times using this build until my intern mid-way through the season. A Mace/shield Condi warrior shouldn’t lose against a power/ axe warrior. If you’re losing/winning against one, you;re either bad or the condi warrior sucks.
Power warrior is indeed a good choice, but it did fall out of meta. I use it and can kill anything. Shure i miss CC due to doge and blocks and stab. But one CC hit or the high damage alone downs many. The thing is people pick meta and forget that you can adapt. Shure my power war gets smashend by some other builds but condi warriors are prey and mesmers as well as reapers are a lot easier.
Who the heck are you guys playing against?
Power zerker indeed counters condi zerker, as power zerker will constantly cleanse his conditions while condi zerker cannot tank all the dmg
Constantly?? that;s the problem .. Condi warriors have access to the same def stats as power, he has 2 endure pain and 2 blocks, unlike power who only has 1 block and 2 endure pain. His mace primal burst which spams blind if timed correctly can nullify your important shots.
Condi eat through endure pain whilst power dmg doesnt? So what do you mean by cant tank all the dmg?? and a RR condi is definitively a death sentence for a power warrior.
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The entire thread is far from pointless, not only are warrior the must bugged classes. we are also the weakest (not talking about condi, so take what i just said with a grain of salt)"
-Glitching headbutt, go to full cd after interrupt even though you didn’t stun break
-Glitching bull charge
- 100 blades stop after your opponent goes into stealth (ARTE U SERIOUS ANET)
-And much more…
Only three classes even have viable condi builds right now:
- Chronos
- Reapers
- Berserkers
All three of these condi builds are hard countered by marauder/berserker specs.No need for a weakness like condition vs. condis. Why? We already have condition clearing skills, traits, boons like resistance and skills like berserker stance.
What meta power builds are countering those?
- Condi Chrono gets chewed by any direct hits from any power build.
- Reapers or Necros in general, have always been hard countered by CC/Power builds due to few resources concerning stability and stun breakers. They are especially hard countered by Daredevils.
- Condi Berserker is hard countered by Power Berserkers and Dragonhunters.
Condi bezerker is counter by power bezerker?? i don’t think you know what you are saying.
We will talk if you upload a vid of you beating Lb/mace shield Tarcis with your power warrior. And btw, i have beat him his condi build once with my power build.
I have tried any combination of power warrior, i made strength/zerk and def work (highest power output), but mediocre against revenant. Got to diamond, 3 times using this build until my intern mid-way through the season. A Mace/shield Condi warrior shouldn’t lose against a power/ axe warrior. If you’re losing/winning against one, you;re either bad or the condi warrior sucks.
Power warrior is indeed a good choice, but it did fall out of meta. I use it and can kill anything. Shure i miss CC due to doge and blocks and stab. But one CC hit or the high damage alone downs many. The thing is people pick meta and forget that you can adapt. Shure my power war gets smashend by some other builds but condi warriors are prey and mesmers as well as reapers are a lot easier.
Who the heck are you guys playing against?
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Why is headbutt recharge not fixed yet?? Full cood down even down you didnt stun-break?? tf is this game?
Only three classes even have viable condi builds right now:
- Chronos
- Reapers
- Berserkers
All three of these condi builds are hard countered by marauder/berserker specs.No need for a weakness like condition vs. condis. Why? We already have condition clearing skills, traits, boons like resistance and skills like berserker stance.
What meta power builds are countering those?
- Condi Chrono gets chewed by any direct hits from any power build.
- Reapers or Necros in general, have always been hard countered by CC/Power builds due to few resources concerning stability and stun breakers. They are especially hard countered by Daredevils.
- Condi Berserker is hard countered by Power Berserkers and Dragonhunters.
Condi bezerker is counter by power bezerker?? i don’t think you know what you are saying.
Recently, I’m experiencing 1000 ping, and I live on the West Coast (US). Something is different, not sure what…not to mention my new horrid FPS, which is a different issue.
Sigh.
From Texas, and i am constantly lagging with 34 ping and 100 fps.
Look, i main warrior and this crap is defying science. Why am i having in game lag when i have a steady 100 fps and 34 ping.
- MY BULL Charge doesn’t even land on the target
- My skill have a good 0.5 sec Delay???
Anyway, to fix this?
Yeah two dodges, which are not even aoe .. and you have to be close to your target for it to land. Omg, why am I making so much sense!!
Condis need 1 stat to be powerful. Power needs 3.
You also don’t have nearly as many traits that simply proc on crit like condis do. Imagine a world where condi and power are on the same level.. You’d have things like protection, which would protect against condition damage. Toughness too.
See, the problem with condition damage is that you can do the maximum damage that condis can do and still manage to have 1/3 or 1/2 of your stats allocated to being a bunker. If you want to do the same with power, you need to go zerker. End of story. Imagine a full zerk player going up against a full ‘glass’ condi build.. (lets say that condition damage required 3 stats).. You’d be having some fair fights going on. But we don’t see that.
The reason people call other people out for being condi, and the reason why people say power takes more skill, is for the aforementioned reason. If you mess up as condi, it’s okay because you have a ridiculous amount of stats to help you out defensively. (Also did I mention that you’re still doing max damage as a condition dealer? I feel like people should know that.)
The thing is, power meta builds have waaay more sustain than condi ones do.
Not the case for warrior, I understand your main necro or a condi class but condi dmg has to be tone down. It take literally zero skill. Most condi are Aoe. Can you believe thief applies condi by just dodginh? ? And that’s normal??
Anet NERF THIEF, NERF GUARDIAN..
Thanks.
Nerfing bunker guardians would improve the quality of unranked games, Act now!!! Anet, NERF BUNKER GUARDIANS !!!
Every-time i play against two Bunker Guardians, God spawn inside my little bedroom to recite the Heavenly father prayer. Yeah i know, quite Tragic!!!
Thanks
Well, i disagree., a power/ melee warrior without his ult is a useless one. You get the full picture if you compute the cd, how long it takes for your opponent to spawn back… There is nothing more useless than a telegraphic dummy with 100% chnace of being kited, with a 3 min cd elite as a bonus.
Power warrior still works. People just struggle playing it. Used the same build all 3 legendary seasons.
In this meta it is inferior to the berzerker build.
1v1 the power build should beat the berzerker build.
I am not understanding this, by power you mean the old rampage build right? If so, what happens after you use your rampage? That’s 3 min of you dodging fights?
Before I begin, allow me to make the following adsumption:
-Durability was broken in SPVP, hence why it was removed.
Now as far the pack vs durability convoy goes, the answer is pretty much subjective. Both, from the feedback I am getting, work great in WvW, hence durability = safe style … Pack = offensive style. Still, both warlord and Obindo know that Pack trumps Durability (in WvW)
Me, on the other hand, I would try defender over both since I have heard nice things about it. And both warlord and Obindo are right. Warlord is right when he say pack is better than durability; all Obindo is saying is that I understand your point and agree with it to an extent, however I don’t need pack since I am roaming with a boon share rev
Still, that doesn’t exclude the fact that the build is mediocre in SPvP compared to other meta such as rifle, condi, even an equal skilled mace/gs power warrio could beat this combination; and that WvW is the worst medium to test a build.
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Well, durability was removed for a reason, the build is pretty meta but significantly inferior to any meta build in sPvP. WvW is so random hence a bad, if not the worse, medium to judge a build.
Wat?
What to?
- The build being mediocre in sPvP (in comparison to meta build such as condi warrior, rifle , even mace power warrior can beat GS/axe) , granted that both players are of equal skill?
-or WvW being the worst medium to test a build since gear isn’t standardized?
- or Durability being broken?
Wat as in can’t detect any sense
So, what’s not making any sense? Point it out to me, so I can correct it.
Although I agree with most of you post, durability was indeed broken 25% boon during, 3.6 sec of protection , toughness and vitality?? Like you could go straight zerker with durability.
Unlike durability, packs require either maurader or demolished or zerker +RR.
But there are better runes in wvw tbh.
Are we even playing the same game?? Guardian are S tier atm, they are up there with thieves, druids and scrappers.
Well, durability was removed for a reason, the build is pretty meta but significantly inferior to any meta build in sPvP. WvW is so random hence a bad, if not the worse, medium to judge a build.
Wat?
What to?
- The build being mediocre in sPvP (in comparison to meta build such as condi warrior, rifle , even mace power warrior can beat GS/axe) , granted that both players are of equal skill?
-or WvW being the worst medium to test a build since gear isn’t standardized?
- or Durability being broken?
Well, durability was removed for a reason, the build is pretty meta but significantly inferior to any meta build in sPvP. WvW is so random hence a bad, if not the worse, medium to judge a build.
NERF GUARDIANS!!! NERF GUARDINA!!! NERF THEM..
Thanks.
Yeah, Warrior has been in a decent spot this season; a “good” spot, dare I invoke the tired ANet dev cliché. Certainly far better than the godawful Seasons 1 and 2.
But really, the only reasons that we’ve done better are cheese gimmicks: double Endure Pains, low-cooldown blocks, and every stunbreak known to man.
The Adrenal Health buff and general condi supremacy have made Warriors into a useful one-trick pony, but as soon as you start to get into the higher divisions, the old Warrior weaknesses start to become painfully obvious. Highly telegraphed attacks, susceptibility to blinds, and lack of boons make for an easy target for immortal Scrappers, Tempests, and Mesmers. Power builds can catch your opponents off-guard, but if they have one stunbreak ready, they can pretty easily work around Skull Crack and Headbutt. Plus stability gets handed out like candy.
So the end result is that you have to run one build and take advantage of all the possible gimmicks in order to get into a “good place.” I guess everyone complains about being pigeonholed into a single viable/meta build (see the other profession/pvp forums), but with Warrior, it’s glaringly obvious, has been for a long time, and is pretty simple for a skilled opponent to dissect.
Is this it? After two solid years of being forced to rotate passive stances to remain playable in PvP, this is our “good spot?” Maybe it took me too long to see the light of day, but count me out. Another season of this kitten-show appeals to me about as much as getting my nuts trapped in my fly and gouged repeatedly.
This exactly… especially for a power warrior. And tbh, I have seen tarcis excel on his power warrior.
The current meta is test of faith guardians, bunker guardians or whatever those noobs are called. It insanely broke, then again this is Anet.
Anet, it’s time to nerf guardians, they are insanely broken .
Matchmaking is not broken. The game is just very balanced. Metabattle shows 8/9 professions in meta. Game is finally balanced.
I think you are confused, I wasn’t talking about profession matchmaking (class stacking, etc.) I am talking about division matching.
Though I do agree, this is prob one the more balanced meta’s we’ve had in the past 6 -8 months. Most all classes are viable in competitive play.
“Most all classes”? I see only 8 as meta, while 9 is not there… You miss something m8
Lol thanks for the laugh
For example, Trackfull W (the new Abjured rev/sub) signature is taunt + their Staff 5 skill.
How can a Rev taunt someone on demand? From what i know there is only one taunt trait ""Eye for an Eye" and that is a passive taunt when CC’ed.
idk, dude but that dude always have me under the yellow stuff me with x and Staff 5. My knowledge of other classes is pretty meh..
lol omg, read the wiki, i guess he proccs it everytime i stun him. This is quite interesting, so Headbutt + 100 b doesnt work on a rev with “eye for an eye”… 5 sec proc, and what not. I’ll try switching to rampage.
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Well, thanks for the feedback this far guys. Especially @emkelly.
I played with you before and you’re good at warrior but it’s naive that you think someone optimized a build that we essentially we all knew about and played before but that it wasn’t viable so we didn’t play it. Now that it’s viable you are like somone invented it and optimized it. This is the mettabattle pleb mentality im sorry.[/quote]
I don’t use meta battle build (my build iisnt meta, and as glassy as it can get) , and what you are saying is as true as someone else discovering relativity before Einstein. The folks i named above, might not have created those build, but they pretty much laid the ground work for most of the population (i.e. Share them). Most of us know, they optimized their build, but showing their rotation, or going 180 (with hibify build – no endure pain) is commending.
That’s how competitve ladder works.
what game have you been playing what about this is competitve? competitive is when you are with people your own skill level in this case its just flat out not true what so every you are its dumb luck when you get a team that knows what to do and how to do it. have you not seen the forums
League of legends, check their algorithm.
And bolded statement, that’s what the system does, unless you can prove otherwise we have to abide by it.
And disregard what I said above, if you started in amber because we have no idea how Anet handles new players.
They’ve literally told us that they deliberately stack one team, therefore completely destroying any true competition on a game-by-game basis.
That’s a valid concern, we need a 5 vs 5 … not 6 vs 4. And you are right, but i believe the reason why we dont have that yet, is because there isn’t enough pro player around. I.E.
It is easier for the system to set-up a 5 vs 5 since that’s where most players are. Setting a 10 vs 10 , however, is a lot harder (time consuming).
I disagree, the skill cap on the class has def being increased. There is some great DH out there, especially the trappers you can’t (as a power warrior) focus them… because they always stealth away. As a power warrior, i rathe duel a rev/ engi/ thief/ ranger/ ele than a DH.
Needed Eightdawgs the other day.
lol .. btw why dont you tell them how great DH are, or maybe share some tips with them. It looks like they are struggling. And i am working on a “DH counter” build.
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I disagree, the skill cap on the class has def being increased. There is some great DH out there, especially the trappers you can’t (as a power warrior) focus them… because they always stealth away. As a power warrior, i rathe duel a rev/ engi/ thief/ ranger/ ele than a DH.
If you are a 5, the system will try to team you with 5 and then match you against other 5s, so 5 vs 5, You can also get 4 vs 6 (but these games are winnable as well).
Looking at the feedback this is not happening.
Well Anet either lie to us or I am experiencing something else. Most of my games have being balanced. Most of my +200 point loss are due to my team not having a supp(ele) vs a team with a supp or vice versa.
And also, what I am saying doesn’t pertain to those who started in amber. Because anything cam happen there ( new players with ambiguous rating, old player who skipped S2, luck, and so on..)
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That’s how competitve ladder works.
what game have you been playing what about this is competitve? competitive is when you are with people your own skill level in this case its just flat out not true what so every you are its dumb luck when you get a team that knows what to do and how to do it. have you not seen the forums
League of legends, check their algorithm.
And bolded statement, that’s what the system does, unless you can prove otherwise we have to abide by it.
And disregard what I said above, if you started in amber because we have no idea how Anet handles new players.


