Guild Wars 2

I don’t get why everyone is mad. We get something new and you don’t want to work a bit to unlock it? C’mon…

As OP stated Jalis/Shiro is a very solid combo

Rym.1469:

For me obvious pick is Kalla Scorchrazor if we’re to wander into Charr-themed expansion. She has greatsword people adore, she’s major character, she’s dead, she’s a hero of Charr, she’s a leader (Paragon-like Spec). Everything needed.

Next shots would be either Pyre Fierceshot (Ranger-like Legend) or Bonfazz Burntfur (Elementalist-like Legend).

Of course, Master Togo because everyone desperately wants Ritualist back, including me. No-brainer.

Blimm Legend would be interesting, as well as Talon Silverwing.

Both Kalla and Pyre would be great, especially since I play mainly charrs
We actually need both gameplays on rev so either would be cool for me (even if i’d like more Pyre)

Yeah that was my main concern too, but let’s be honest: would you even use a spec that’s not at least 50% unlocked? I think I won’t.

mistsim.2748:

UA isn’t necessarily OP for its damage. It’s just another invuln lol. And it’s the whole package that’s problematic, which includes the blocks, the teleports, the boons… reminding you guys of anything yet? Why are people (devs included) even ok with this?

because it’s not that crazy as people claims? I say again, go against an half decent player and you see how it’s not that massive.
Daredevils and chronomancers eat you alive.

Henahax.1706:

Does spending the very first point on the line give me the ability to wield the new weapon?

well, come on, you want everything handed on a silver plate? At least a bit of work to get there… :/

Jekkt.6045:

tbh sword is in a great spot, now with the change to the auto attack even more.

you can’t compare offhand sword, axe and shield at all because they all fill different roles.

axe is a fast offhand with a teleport, designed for use when you don’t slot shiro.

offhand sword is a defensive dps weapon to pull people out of a crowd, isolate and kill them.

shield is a sustain offhand weapon and offers no damage at all but only support/defense.

exactly, also talking about mere blocking sword is the best option given duration/CD.
I agree that we should make something about #5: it fails often given the nature of the skill, but the idea of pickin up a target and isolate it is neat.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Chaosbroker.3860:

More likely the other 2 elite specs will be …

Greatsword – Just because the majority of people seem to want it

MH Dagger – Ranged condition weapon option, since apart from mace a revenant doesn’t have another MH condition weapon

Also because throwing knives YES

Indeed.
I really hope for

GS: melee 2h power (is standard i know)
LB: ranged 2h condi (standard too)
Dmh: ranged mh condi

Unfortunately since we have left just GS/LB/SB we can just swap them around for melee/ranged to have something unique…melee bows feel really awkward to me (another story is trowing magic stuff with melee weapons).

Now which Legends should we pair with those? :-D

“Everything”

/thread

On serious note, is really hard to tell now.
So far seems that Shiro/Glint in power gear is the way to go. Mix of berserker’s or assassin’s / valkyrie’s.
Sword/x (pref shield) and hammer for when ranged is needed, Jalis over shiro for WvW with more tanky gear.
At least this was the dominat build around.

Anyway we need to at least have a solid month of gameplay.

All praise Anet, our LORD AND SAVIOR!

\[T]/

mistsim.2748:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Overall, after the last BWE, we felt like revenant was in a solid spot. For launch we mainly focused on bug fixing and a few outliers such as changing the second hit of the sword auto-attack as well as speeding up the tablet move speed.

That’s not to say that there aren’t more things we are thinking about how to improve or tweak, but we want the profession to get in more playtime and thus more feedback before we make any more larger changes. I’m definitely reading all the feedback and taking under consideration for future changes so keep up the awesome work.

Herald/shiro is god-tier Roy. I don’t think it requires months of play testing to warrant some sensible nerfs. plenty of people have given this feedback already on these forums. not to mention that many of us witnessed how overpowered it is in the hands of seasoned pvp’ers. this one definitely slipped past the internal testers (not sure how).

Wat? Play against someone who decentlymknow how to kittener you and tell me if it is god tier xD

Demented Yak.6105:

Agreed.

Stability is a menace and should be removed on all classes. If necessary we could have a new system where in order to get stability, you must type in the chatbox: ‘Stability plz 123’. This would allow fast typers and psychics to be rewarded for their superior intellect and reflexes whilst punishing morons, muggles and people with bad keyboard skills.

Stunbreaks should also be removed. If people want to avoid stuns they should have to dodge. There’s no sense in having these buttons that get you off scott-free. We should have an increased number of stuns and other control effects on all professions. None of these should be passive effects. This will promote the ideal of saving your dodges meaning anyone who wastes them on evading dps attacks should be punished as they are obviously idiots.

We should remove all passive traits and replace them with active skills of your choice. This would increase build diversity and send those filthy, disgusting casuals straight back to hell. Those imbeciles should never be able to keep up with a game that’s meant for champions.

I’m with you, brother.

I love you for your sarcasm. I really do. TY

strange players around :/
just ignore

during this last week my matches are kinda good. I’d say 50/50 w/l with all matches around 400-500 points in both teams.

Dunno :/

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Power builds are a problem

Condition builds are a problem

Lets just have pillow fights

Pillow Wars 2!

would be awesome!
e-sportz haz replay

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Now you got me thinking. If you were farming Tots in the Labyrinth and hit DR, then jumped on a Maize train, would that hold DR or start to decrease it since you are in a different area?

I wonder if you could then have DR in both areas if you had a good Maize train?

if you change area/activity you won’t have DR in the new area. So cycling Maize, labryrinth and clocktower jp might be the steadiest way to farm them ;-)
If you hit DR in all just start clear up the inventory or change toon.

Stark.1350:

You have zero idea what grinding is.

indeed

Sinzaku.2980:

only ignorants hates necro cuz they read everywhere this class is useless without trying to understand it

I do love necros! \ 0 /

Legaenn.8521:

Both, at least it was so with Diabolic inferno trait, gives you two burns on enemies, very nice burn dps boost, so lyssa would work fine iwth it

yes works, but mind the CD Diabolic Inferno has one of 10s

Ricky Rouse.1583:

Adamantium.3682:

Ricky Rouse.1583:

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Elixir S and Gear Shield need to be removed from the game.
…

I think I’ve seen it all…

You aren’t “outplaying” anyone. You aren’t even playing the game. You’re playing the waiting game.

If you exclusively play Engi why does this post sound so much like a case of “mad cuz bad”?

I would say regardless of profession most good PvP players play the waiting game. Wait for an opening. Wait for opponent to burn cleanses. Wait for them to use cooldowns. Wait to use dodges for dangerous attacks. Wait to cleanse the right conditions. And yes, stall and use defensive skills while you wait for your heal to come back up. This is pretty typical of high level PvP.

If you just run in Leeroy Jenkins style it might work in hot join or low tier games but I feel that to be really good in PvP you’re supposed to play a patient waiting game.

Whenever I pick up Soldier Rifle with Elixir S Gear Shield HT and Vamp Runes I just feel disgusted. I spend less time playing the game and more time leading everyone on a goose chase while they die to my teammates, and if they chase me they lose the point. If they don’t I just come back and do it all over again. It’s why I prefer to just play an HGH Juggernaut build without Elixir S or tool kit, at least then I actually get to play the game

you know, you just gave the exact definition of bunker build è_è
in this regards necros ar bunker guardians are WAY more annoying.
Even stealth thieves/mesmers.
Well basically anything with utility /traits to bunker up.

In over 1k matches I had never see hate on my engi. Ever. :/

Seigfried.5938:

thread deletion inc

In before deletion! XD XD

RevanCorana.8942:

Melee rangers with quickdraw and shouts have some of the best mobility in the game, minus blinks.
It’s a lot of fun and skilled but also easily countered.

Did your pet hit for 17k btw? O_o’

drake’s tail swipe under right circumstances is a killer

Look listening to the community doesn’t mean everything the community says is right and they should follow blindly.

People now are salty because they see their major income nerfed but if you love dungeons you should love fractals too, and with the rework and updgrade of the rewards there what’s the problem if you do more of them?

Don’t lie, dungeons are the same since launch, when you run them you skip cinematics and just rush to the end for the gold. Almost everyone cares about the gold otherwise there won’t be this dust. So what if now the main dungeon are the fractal and now the same gold comes from them? You seriously won’t run them? Is it the same, no?
This whole rage makes me laugh.
At least you are driven to try something different of what you usually do.
Maybe that’s it, like always people are scared of changes…so why do you even complain the game doesn’t get new content if you don’t like the changes? LOL

SkiTz.4590:

Ayrilana.1396:

Morhyn.8032:

Ayrilana.1396:

SkiTz.4590:

This is just frustratingly sad….

Why don’t you just delete dungeons? honestly, you clearly just stated you don’t want players doing them…

Where did they state that they don’t want players doing dungeons?

Page 1 of this thread.

Nowhere does he state that they do not want players doing dungeons.

Do you realize what the definition of disincentive mean??

…

There are PLENTY of options for rebalancing the gold reward (make it 50-75s, give players lodestones, T6 mats, or whatever of equally worth)

This was a straight LAZY move on their part, point blank, period.

Disincentivize means exactly what he said, make people play it less, not never again.
So people will play other content more often.

The gold reward will probably go to the value you stated, something around 50 to 75 silvers (for the 1G worth ones, proportionate that for arah).
A full fractal run @50 gives 1g40s. Divide that in 4 parts is 35s. With the change on fractals i see each on yeld 50-75 too, since each one is fast like a dungeon path.
People don’t do fractals because is not worth for the time/reward, but are exactly a dungeon like the others. If you even that people will play them or dungeon because they like them and won’t lose on the rewards.

Calcifire.1864:

I’m skint and only have celestial :P

fair enough! :-D

This was a good read. An honest review, packed with many irony (Holy crap on crackers….cracked me up xD ), was a pleasure to read as a whole.
I also basically agree on everything.

Kudos!

Morfedel.4165:

Rym.1469:

Once raid encounter starts, you won’t leave or break combat. Area becomes restricted with walls and mobs don’t drop aggro till everyone wipes.

Well that sucks lol

So much for that idea

well the whole idea of have different swappable roles should stay in combat, otherwise anyone can do that in 15sec or so XD
Anyway i haven’t tested any celestial build during the BWEs but with mace/axe sword/shield i can see some potential. I guess we’ll have to wait 8 more days to know

Irenio CalmonHuang.2048:

Your constructive feedback has been really awesome so far and I trust will continue to be. I understand your concerns with not enough being communicated and I’m looking into getting more information out on some of the more solid changes we have.

Ever considered to make some of them invulnerable like… all except FunctionG? Imho same effect with immunity wouldn’t even be op but would allow us to use them in all situations… some effect are very low in power (like purge,medic or blast)…

Only 1 I see is bulk, form some small damage reduction and toolbelt reflection. It’s the only I would ever take ina zerg

Hunter.4783:

Sarif.1827:

Sunrise, and the two kitten years it took RNG to give me Dawn.

Condi Clears and heals pouring out of every button push

So the end finally comes to my Guardian of 3 years… My one and Only lv 80 Toon.

/salutewithhonor

Don’t worry bro and welcome to guardian 2.0

#noregrets

Rich Fuel.7253:

we need another stress test to see if everything is 100% complete

I see what you did here

NitroApe.9104:

Ok so that’s actually a huge problem of this build. You need elixir gun for cleave, because you lack the consistent nade cleave, but you also need elixir S to survive, there is no way around it. You are a glass cannon engi and it’s one of the most vulnerable builds out there.
But when people rezz properly in PvP, there is no way you will get a safestomp with the elixir.
Sucks :/

Yeah :/ but actually i think that the best suit for this build is exactly the single target dps.
I play like i play my thief, 1v1 not that different, in group you stay at the edge of the fight, you stick to the target and when the right moment comes → moa+burst and safe elixS stomp.

The stealth is super useful as opener or escape, elixS is also the life safer (togheter with traited one and willingly with vamp runes)

Rym.1469:

I doubt Shiro/Glint will get some crushing nerfs. Phase Traversal might get some small CD, maybe they’ll finally listen to my suggestion about Unrelenting Assault, Infuse Light will get better visual indicator, Staff #5 won’t annihilate boss breakbars on it’s own anymore, maybe some Hammer #2 rebalancing so max range does a bit lower damage while close and midrange get bumped up…and that would be it.

Oh and expect buffs to Jalis and pretty heavy ones to Ventari and Mallyx.

pretty much ^

malus.5894:

ArenaNet is killing the economy. I was really hyped for HoT, but not anymore.

lulwut? they are balancing stuff out, and they objective to have things like cloth go down in price and leather go up.
And while nerfing dungeon GOLD in come, they said they are bumping raids/fractals one, and they are doing that BECAUSE of the economy.

Balancing =/= Nerfing only

About dungeon reward nerfing im all in favor…if you need gold you can just farm them or do SW…that’s wrong…i’m glad they are balancing the reward.
Gogo Anet!!

Imho is not bad as you picture. Yes we have less microchoices but we make 2 big one, which role bring with which legend. I like that. Also let’s be honest: 5 legends provide 10 possible combinations (5!/3!*2!); now tell me if you seriously can come up with more than 10 viable utility combinations with any class. Keyword viable, also with sense. You’d be able in few rare cases, like engi.
So to me this limitation is just apparent and even if this allows a “pre balanced” class i’m not mad at all, at least we wont suffer hell as other classes.

On a side note i’d really like to see 1 more utility per legend, tho ;-)
My 2 coppers.

Mightybird.6034:

Gaaroth.2567:

Can’t even come too soon. 23rd is tomorrow right? RIGHT?

IF WE MIX THE DRUGS PROPERLY !

I’m on board! Also i know the perfect engi…he makes such elixirs…

Can’t even come too soon. 23rd is tomorrow right? RIGHT?

Also you have all the points to unlock all core traits and skills just by levelling up, additional points in form of hero challanges in open world will be required to unlock the elite specialization

MrTJpwnz.4710:

Gaaroth.2567:

snip

Don’t forget about the aftercast on hammer autoattack at the moment..

yep, also those are tricky when calculating dps properly

princode.2750:

Anet keep repeating their mistake…apparently they dun understand the meaning of pvp. PVP = player versus player good example of ANET mistake the new pvp map stronghold is basically like who rush the gate/boss faster who win the game. WVW had also become more pve focus as well. Anet is slowly moving away from their core concept a MMO that is truly unique to a MMO that copy others to cater to a larger audience

Yet, the most famous and played pvp game is League of Legends, which is an extended (both in mechanic and time) version of Stronghold.
Kappa

don’t want to troll but… condi builds are around but not THAT and mainily are guardians and engis because they can spike burning, otherwise they are far from viable given all the clenses. Really I do not see this issue AT ALL.

Never heard of it! thank you for share! i’ll partecipate surely in the pugquest EU this satuarday!

Frozey.8513:

To make off-hand sword more viable option, you could possibly change the Grasping Shadow in a way that you shadowstep to the foe, hit them and if the hit lands, then you shadowstep to where you started this skill with the foe you targeted.

This way it would be at least sort of a gap closer with possiblity to kidnap the foe.

might resolve the pathing issue in this case, if they can switch it off for the returning shadowstep (like theives’ sword#2)
Fact is in this case we lose the overall functionality, where you are in melee and pick up a target, insted of being at range and then in/out to kidnap, but hey, at least we would have some sort of control of where do we end on return.

Yeah…i guess this is the best solution!

Xyonon.3987:

Yea it’s kinda frustrating our legis always had almost no effects for us. And now? None, all gone … well … let’s deal with it :| at least we got the hobo sack gone, so we can enjoy at least a bit fashion now :P

well still, we deserve some fashion attention, we are easily the least fashionable class.
I mean, it was so hard to make a REALLY good looking charr engi!
Fortunately Juggernaut will help a bit now.

Also why on earth Predator’s foorsteps are WAY less visible then Incinerator’s ones?

Zach.2618:

Fractal hammer skin:D

kitten forgot that! it’d be super cool!

Xyonon.3987:

Or you have traited SD :P

Exactly, Static Discharge in Tools messes up with skill queues.
Also I’d suggest to use “fast AoE” in the options.
Basically this would allow to:

• press and keep pressed skill button -> show aoe reticle
• release button to cast
  If your mouse is already in the right place just press the skill like a normal one (example mortar or nades spam)

Also select the option to stop the riticle to go further skill’s max range (can’t recall the name), it’s massivele useful!

Let us know if even after that it’s still a problem.

@ Xyonon.3987
DEM PAINT SKILL THO

Burtnik.5218:

Just give Mallyx agony from fractals on EtD and call it a day

hahah that would be lovely OP

does it go on CD or just plain doesn’t work?