Guild Wars 2

I mean, people should really stop complaining about numbers. BP will obviously win, and since HoD and DR seem quite balanced BP will decide who takes second too (not intentionally).

Tots.3056:

Yeah haha, I think it surprised all of us how well that worked. xD
There was some speculation by the opposing guild that we had more than 20 people, I’d just like to point out that on the third fight we used 1 portal for that feint, and got everyone through it. You can only portal 20 people per portal so we had to have even numbers. Just thought id point that out.

Technically I count for 5 people though, so I can see where the misunderstandings would arise from.

If anyone wants to do some 2v2’s come to HoDBL within the next 15min

Cheers!

Well, you have to balance it between keeping your followers happy and doing what you can for your server.

Try to identify what problems you see with the current commanders on your server and strive to be better than them in those fields. Are they not enough vocal? Or are they too vocal, raging whenever something doesn’t go their way?

Also if you are a PUG commander don’t way point unless you die.

Ever.

Wanderer.3248:

Ramuth.6543:

Any score update? At work for another 3 hours, bleh.

Score update? It’s basically over for HoD. 8 hours into the matchup and basically spawn camped already.

Not much point playing WvW this week; not much point playing GW2 at all for that matter.

Wish Arkham Origins was out.

Wow. As someone who used to play on HoD (although I never WvW’d at the time), this is the exact kind of mentality I did not expect to see from your server.

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

Try and organise 15 or so people to golem rush an enemy bl or something.

The last thing WvW needs is more PvE.

We need incentives to actually fight people.

Caedmon.6798:

“Everyone who plays WvW has encountered the zerg, either as a member or as a victim. The zerg is an important part of the game, but it shouldn’t be the best strategy for victory.”

He could have just replaced Zerg with Arrowcart and that would have worked well too…

He is specifically addressing Arrow Carts too in the blog post.

Devon is basically addressing 90% of the issues brought up on these forums and people still cherry pick parts and take them out of context so that they can keep complaining.

It makes the entire WvW community look stupid.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

“We have some ideas in the pipeline to try to increase scoring when people are playing the game and to make it much more difficult to keep your territory without actively guarding it.”

does that mean upgraded structures are gonna be even easier to get caped by night shift???

Do you only read what you want to read?

“We have some ideas in the pipeline to try to increase scoring when people are playing the game…”

If you want to flame Arena Net then at least be smart about it.

melodey.4652:

Also, just leaving this link here for nostalgia’s sake. Miss you Gab!

It’s great that you would post this because it is in fact what my second post was going to be about.

I firmly believe that in the middle of April we were the stronger server. If the week after we would have faced this exact same match up I am sure we would have won. However, I firmly believe that server potency changes. We used to see outmanned on IoJ during reset, now they queue multiple maps from what I understand.

I still firmly believe that the average skill level of a DR player is higher than that of an IoJ or DH or SBI player. I am also sure that the average skill level of an EB, NSP or a Maguuma player is higher than that of a DR player. This is just all my opinion, not me lashing out at other servers. I also believe that players who play on European servers would consistently smash the kitten out of players who play on NA servers, myself included.

I am also a bit surprised that you think because Oozo posts videos of ADQQSty killing IoJ players it’s some kind of personal insult towards you. Oozo posts the videos because many people enjoy watching them.

I hope my posts can clear some stuff up. Enjoy the rest of the week

Well I will try to bring some logic into this whole argument. Feel free to respond with any concerns or questions you have and I will try to respond to them as best as I can. However, please don’t quote or respond to minor parts of my post without reading and comprehending the entirety of it first.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Five days. Six hours at most (being generous) per night means 30 hours since reset. 45,000+ point lead. DR rarely being outmanned as shown more than once (from an oceanic player: more by FC than IoJ)…that’s where the lead came from? After all this time coming in third…suddenly IoJ is winning because of this?

This would be true if NA players logged on directly after Oceanics logged off. This is not true. After the Oceanic players log off there is long period of time where WvW is pretty much dead, and where very little is flipped.

If you would have actually looked at the charts, you would see that DR takes the lead again at about 6pm (coincidentally, when NA prime time starts), which is 13-14 hours after you guys take the lead at about 3-4am in the morning.

So no, it really doesn’t matter how good your NA crew does against ours because as long as your Oceanic players can get better ppt during Oceanic hours than what our NA players can get during NA prime time, which to be honest isn’t that hard given how the game and the servers are set up, you will always end up with more points.

If DR had 100 players online during NA prime, and 0 during Oceanic prime, and if IoJ had 0 players online during NA prime, and 100 during Oceanic prime, it would result in a curbstomp from IoJ. Let me show you why in a really simple scenario, using the numbers above.

(Server time)
Period 1: 18:00: DR takes lead of 695ppt. DR holds throughout all of NA prime time.
Period 2: 03:00: IoJ takes lead of 695ppt. IoJ holds throughout all of Oceanic prime time.
Period 3: 11:00 Now this is where it gets tricky. Let’s have two cases:

• Case 1: FC has 100 European players.
  Here FC would take a lead of 695ppt, and hold it until NA prime kicks in again.
• Case2: FC has 0 European players.
  Here however, FC would take nothing. PPT from Oceanic prime time stays until NA prime time.

During period 1, DR would gain 25020 points, IoJ 0, and FC 0.
During period 2, DR would gain 0 points, IoJ 19460, and FC 0.
Case 1:
During period 3, DR would gain 0 points, IoJ 0, and FC 19460.
Case 2:
During period 3, DR would gain 0 points, IoJ 19460, and FC 0.

Total case 1: DR 25020, IoJ 19460, FC 19460.
Total case 2: DR 25020, IoJ 38920, FC 0.

As I am sure you can also see, the problem is accentuated by the fact that DR has to compete with a server that also has strong NA prime time, namely FC. If the situation was reversed here, you could easily see that if DR still has 100 players during NA prime time, but both FC and IoJ has 100 players during Oceanic, the ppt during that period would be split into 350 / 345, giving us the same 25020, 19460, 19460 score that we saw in Case 1.

On top of this people who start playing this game from NA will naturally pick a NA server and assume they can find people to play with. This is not true for Oceanic players because of your smaller player base. This had lead to stacking on servers such as Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir. Every server has an “ok” NA prime time, whereas not every server has an “ok” Oceanic prime time. This further skews the total points.

I am in no way saying here that these numbers are completely accurate, but it should give you an idea of why NA players are actually worth less than Oceanic players, because in lower tiers such as this where European coverage is very rare, Case 2 is a lot more common than Case 1, because of the simple fact that Europeans have their own servers. (I am neither NA nor Oceanic myself so I am not saying this in a biased way although I am sure most of you will interpret it that way).

Similarly, if there was a server of only European and NA players, NA players would be worth a lot more than the European players, because of how their prime time interacts with the European prime time.

Like others have mentioned before, since you can hold most of your stuff during NA prime time, you will have upgraded maps to work from, whereas the other servers can’t. This means that we have to spend a comparatively larger amount of time and dedication to defending our Borderlands, which in turn would account for a weaker NA prime time than what would be appropriate given our numbers.

Terrahero.9358:

In a game where i need to use button A to defeat my enemy.
The people i am attacking dont have to do anything for me to get a shock. So my choices are split between

1) Dont do anything, at all.
2) Kill myself.

Either way, i am not contributing to the fight because of a no-brain boon. So NO its not reasonable at all.

You don’t need button A to defeat your enemy. You can use button B, button C, maybe even button D. I am not arguing in favor of anything, because this is not a thread for it. I am telling the OP how to deal with retaliation. The solution here is to not use Barrage.

Victory.2879:

It’s interesting that most of those defending retaliation fall into some distinct categories- namely those that solo (so they don’t see the problem), and those that play thief or guardian.

I am playing all professions in WvW at level 80 across multiple accounts. Believe me when I say I am not biased in any way. In fact, if you look through my posts you will see me be very vocal about nerfing confusion even though I run a full on Glamour mesmer myself (I still do, it’s still powerful).

Olvendred.3027:

If a zerg has retaliation up 100% of the time, then the choice you would choose is “run away”, yes?

I find that unlikely, but okay let’s pretend that happens. In that situation then yes, it might very well be in your best interest to run away, stringing the enemies out so they lose formation and don’t have time to stack retal instead of continuing the chase.

You are all talking like I am defending retaliation here, which I am not. I really don’t care whether or not it gets nerfed. But this thread is not a thread where you can whine and complain about it. This is a thread where the OP asked how to deal with retaliation. I simply gave my view on the matter.

Terrahero.9358:

EFWinters.5421:

Terrahero.9358:

EFWinters.5421:

So…

• You know using Barrage will basically kill you if you fire it into a zerg.
• You still use Barrage, and promptly dies.

Sorry but I think this is working exactly as intended. Bad players die good players prevail.

Because facerubbing a gate, instagibbing people that AoE you due to Retal is the pinacle of skill. Amiright?

I never claimed it was the pinnacle of skill. But it sure as hell shows a lot more skill than AoE’ing that zerg even though you have died because of it thousands of times already.

Wait. You actually think that a zerg just facerubbing against a gate, semi-akitten or just completely afk, is more skillfull then throwing AoE?

Stacking Retaliation takes no thought whatsoever, it just happens because of how many combofinishers are going on in a zerg and how many Light-fields are just getting kitten all over the place by Guardians.

It litteraly takes no choice, sacrifice, or even a single sentient moment to do. Its a side-effect, an afterthought, to what you’re doing anyway. Its a great deal more difficult to NOT stack retal in a zerg.

You are just completely missing the point aren’t you?

• You know that pressing button A will result in an electric shock.
• You have the option of pressing or not pressing button A.
• You press button A. And again. And again. And again.

Does this seem reasonable to you?

Sounds good, but the ratings definitely need to stabilize first.

I would also like to see some kind of leaderboard for your server after each match up finishes, that could contain for example;

• Most active player
• Most active commander
• Most siege blueprints used
• Most repairs done
• Most kills
• Most objectives captured
• Most kills by guild
• Most objectives captured by guild
• Most Dolyaks killed

This is a fantastic way of going about things.

When someone finds an awesome build and beat you with it you go “Wow!”
When someone popularize that same build and every other player runs around with that build you start to realize that the build is carrying really bad players to victory.

That’s when it’s time to hit it with the nerf bat.

The way professions worked and skills synergized. Not necessarily talking about having a Holy Trinity here but there were definitely some interesting things you could do in GW1 if you paid enough attention that would truly separate the bad from the good. There’s nothing like that in GW2. Everything feels like a cakewalk.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Its what us IoJ Oceanics have always done, i personally, after months, want to see IoJ with that 695 PPT, and im hoping this week will be it. Now that we havent come up against a server with decent oceanic presence in months the braggings lessened a bit but its always good fun against DR, gettin their forum warriors all fired up

I’m not sure what your definition of a forum warrior is, but most people who post in this thread from DR are actually quite decent players.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Like another IoJ commander said, with all the talk on the forums we expected DR to attack us…Yet we log on and see FC’s borderland all green which i couldnt help but laugh at

Again, if you think that the 5-10 people who post on the forums can decide the course of action for an entire server you are very wrong.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Been roaming with my guild/pugs a lot more this week and never realised it was this fun!!! Flipping camps, 4 manning towers. Attempting to defend that tower then having the lords room portal bombed with 20+ FC, but there aint no overkill like IoJ overkill lol

Roaming is even more fun when you have people to fight

What I think? I think you just found the recipe for lag.

Quick! Mystic Forge this!

Dumb Woob.9415:

I’m a bit confused. Doesn’t Arenanet already publish this kind of stuff? Aside from the guild networking bit..

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw

That’s like saying the 9 o’clock news contains sports just without the sports part.

The only way to fix the system is to remove the garbage scoring system. Whoever systematically slaughters the most amount of enemies throughout the week is the winner.

Also, fix the leaderboards. Create incentive for people to become better. Bragging rights and personal / guild glory are great ways to do this.

Leveling isn’t the entire game. It’s a well known fact that it grows very stale and boring after a while, which is why most people craft at least 30-40 levels nowadays. In GW2 you basically need to be 80 to enjoy the game to its fullest, and most people don’t want to slug through the same boring zones time and time again to get there.

Talking from my experience of having 15 level 80’s, only two of them were done without crafting (my first two).

defrule.7236:

If you think retaliation isn’t a problem then you’re either not contributing to fights at all or simply having no impact.

Or maybe you are participating in fights where abusing game mechanics isn’t the top priority?

Unfortunately the Sandwichmancer was cancelled because the South European market doesn’t like how their cultures are mixed like that.

Detharos.3157:

ROFL, I’ve been trying to find out for months what happens when you destroy that bridge on the tower. I have yet to pull it off successfully. (I’ve seriously never seen anyone destroy it, surely its there for more than just cutting off access to that one high point?)

Outside wanting to see what happens with destroying that bridge, it was kind of a lure of sorts I guess? Yeah it was pretty funky though.

Nothing happens when you destroy the bridge, except for the fact that you destroy the bridge.

Also your OP build will be nerfed soon.

Tukmolytes.3467:

Serious mode: ON

FC you have a good number of players. You just need coordination and I think you would be a very good match for us.

DR you got good numbers and good coordination. If you whine less I would love to duke it out with you guys on the battle fields.

Seriously guys, lets play this game. If you win, don’t brag. If you lose, don’t whine.

I still don’t think you understand.

DR is not whining because we are losing.

nyckolag.2394:

Gab Superstar.4059:

We did flip your entire map last night.

I miss your extravagant posts, Gab. These one-sentence replies are so boring. Tell the mods to kitten off! It’s not like any of us actually used to mind when you flamed the threads. Infact, you were the one that did it superbly well!

Why bother when we have all seen the exact same match up threads 100 times before, with a different third server?

• DR will say IoJ is bad.
• IoJ will claim that DR says that about every server they face.

Repeat ad infinitum. The part I love the most is that it’s the same 10-15 guys posting in every thread as if their opinion hasn’t already been made abundantly clear.

Tukmolytes.3467:

bleh

Your post would imply that DR players have worse grammar than IoJ players.

Seeing you post is a constant reminder of the opposite.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Elementalist Owner.7802:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Look at the map…Youre getting more ppt by wiping FC off the map (thus lowering their ppt), not by attacking us. Youre keeping us back and dominating FC borderlands and you reckon you have half our numbers? You havin a laugh or what mate jesus

Winning is winning, if we need to hurt FC in doing so, then so be it. That’s not playing for second, that’s called strategy. Apparently it worked considering we are first in potential points, maybe you could learn a thing or two from DR.

Maaaaate dont make me dig through the old forums where DR constantly told us that we were playing for second when we’d flip your stuff. Flipping FC stuff is not going to get you into first place, it will only secure you in second. DR gets first in potential points leading us by 100-120 at most…then the oceanics come on and take the lead by 500+ It is a strategy, yes, but a strategy to stay in second place. Ive been expecting you guys to double team us…That happened in EB, but DR kept FC in their borderlands instead of letting FC hit our borderlands aswell… Go go gadget DR.

We did flip your entire map last night.

Jesse.4631:

So is there a duel night?

Thursday at midnight UTC.

kfarb.6732:

Is your other account CHIPS or Sol or Calvin?

I don’t post on my other accounts.

If I did what would be the point of having all these tags on this account?

kfarb.6732:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I just think SBI needs to push a bit more. There are definitely times when you guys outnumber DB.

Hearing talk about numbers makes me shake my head.

I’m sure they outnumber DB until a tower is taken, and then a zerg hops over to take it back because there’s probably nothing else for them to do. Then the choice is defending a paper tower against 40+ or throwing yourself at a 1700/1700 keep that’s pre-sieged with bored DB players watching the place.

Also, how are you in 8 guilds?

I can’t say I agree, sorry. Blaming numbers is totally lame. Just do the best you can, there are definitely times when you could have a much higher PPT than what you maintain.

Multiple accounts.

I just think SBI needs to push a bit more. There are definitely times when you guys outnumber DB.

Hearing talk about numbers makes me shake my head.

nyckolag.2394:

Oh, and hi Gab! We missed you!

Don’t really use the forums anymore, the next ban will be permanent. Just wanted to say hi!

Tukmolytes.3467:

I’m getting ready for the whiners.

;)

Yeah it’s almost like a concurrent theme for IoJ. Maybe it’s because no one likes fighting you guys?

Anyway, enjoy the week everyone. I will be away pretty much all of next week but I’m sure I will miss absolutely nothing.

Oozo.7856:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Josefjk.6310:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Hmm. I was gonna start here but I feel this is more appropriate somewhere else.

so any badges you got were certainly not from us.

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Ah, there we go.

All right, moving on.

Josefjk.6310:

Grats on being one of the few who did survive, but as I said, we didn’t actually kill everyone,

No, that is precisely what you did say.

Josefjk.6310:

Not only that I still don’t think you understand that we had 3 deaths during the whole fight, to your 30+

Wait wait wait. Are we really back on 5v30? And now its 5v30+? Am I talking to a wall?

Josefjk.6310:

Sorry if I did upset you and your high level plays.

Believe me you couldn’t upset me if you tried. The only thing upsetting about last night was the troll you sent to our TS.

• His mic was really low, no one could hear him.
• He finally puts his mic in his mouth and stutters out “I am African can you hear me?” (I really don’t care about his heritage, I want to hear him troll)
• He joins the one channel with a server admin in it WHO DOES THIS?

Seriously, I was expecting something good from this guy but man was that a let down. I banned him in response to that, not the fact that he was trolling. Send someone with an IQ above 90 next time.

Josefjk.6310:

As it appears that you definitely are stupid and couldn’t even see what was happening during the fight, I’m going to stop talking to you until this video does (which it won’t because it’s going to be so obvious that you guys lose 5v30 (Yes, it was 5v30 once again you will see this if video comes out)) actually come out, if you really think you’re right then prove it.

Sorry I am too stupid to comprehend this marathon sentence.

Josefjk.6310:

Try insult me as much as you won’t but we won you lost and that is all you can do, you couldn’t beat us. Sorry.

Yeah! Yeah!!! Yeah…

Tbh I couldn’t care about anything you just said except the thing about TS, which has nothing to do with SPCA, not quite sure why you assume it would be us since we couldn’t be bothered doing anything like that nor do we have your info.

You’re done?

Any other takers?

Didn’t they say they all had afros on their toons? That would explain the African comment, possibly.

Possibly. Maybe.

Josefjk.6310:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Hmm. I was gonna start here but I feel this is more appropriate somewhere else.

so any badges you got were certainly not from us.

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Ah, there we go.

All right, moving on.

Josefjk.6310:

Grats on being one of the few who did survive, but as I said, we didn’t actually kill everyone,

No, that is precisely what you did say.

Josefjk.6310:

Not only that I still don’t think you understand that we had 3 deaths during the whole fight, to your 30+

Wait wait wait. Are we really back on 5v30? And now its 5v30+? Am I talking to a wall?

Josefjk.6310:

Sorry if I did upset you and your high level plays.

Believe me you couldn’t upset me if you tried. The only thing upsetting about last night was the troll you sent to our TS.

• His mic was really low, no one could hear him.
• He finally puts his mic in his mouth and stutters out “I am African can you hear me?” (I really don’t care about his heritage, I want to hear him troll)
• He joins the one channel with a server admin in it WHO DOES THIS?

Seriously, I was expecting something good from this guy but man was that a let down. I banned him in response to that, not the fact that he was trolling. Send someone with an IQ above 90 next time.

Josefjk.6310:

As it appears that you definitely are stupid and couldn’t even see what was happening during the fight, I’m going to stop talking to you until this video does (which it won’t because it’s going to be so obvious that you guys lose 5v30 (Yes, it was 5v30 once again you will see this if video comes out)) actually come out, if you really think you’re right then prove it.

Sorry I am too stupid to comprehend this marathon sentence.

Josefjk.6310:

Try insult me as much as you won’t but we won you lost and that is all you can do, you couldn’t beat us. Sorry.

Yeah! Yeah!!! Yeah…

Tbh I couldn’t care about anything you just said except the thing about TS, which has nothing to do with SPCA, not quite sure why you assume it would be us since we couldn’t be bothered doing anything like that nor do we have your info.

You’re done?

Any other takers?

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Hmm. I was gonna start here but I feel this is more appropriate somewhere else.

so any badges you got were certainly not from us.

Josefjk.6310:

First paragraph is sarcasm, clearly you don’t get that either.

Ah, there we go.

All right, moving on.

Josefjk.6310:

Grats on being one of the few who did survive, but as I said, we didn’t actually kill everyone,

No, that is precisely what you did say.

Josefjk.6310:

Not only that I still don’t think you understand that we had 3 deaths during the whole fight, to your 30+

Wait wait wait. Are we really back on 5v30? And now its 5v30+? Am I talking to a wall?

Josefjk.6310:

Sorry if I did upset you and your high level plays.

Believe me you couldn’t upset me if you tried. The only thing upsetting about last night was the troll you sent to our TS.

• His mic was really low, no one could hear him.
• He finally puts his mic in his mouth and stutters out “I am African can you hear me?” (I really don’t care about his heritage, I want to hear him troll)
• He joins the one channel with a server admin in it WHO DOES THIS?

Seriously, I was expecting something good from this guy but man was that a let down. I banned him in response to that, not the fact that he was trolling. Send someone with an IQ above 90 next time.

Josefjk.6310:

As it appears that you definitely are stupid and couldn’t even see what was happening during the fight, I’m going to stop talking to you until this video does (which it won’t because it’s going to be so obvious that you guys lose 5v30 (Yes, it was 5v30 once again you will see this if video comes out)) actually come out, if you really think you’re right then prove it.

Sorry I am too stupid to comprehend this marathon sentence.

Josefjk.6310:

Try insult me as much as you won’t but we won you lost and that is all you can do, you couldn’t beat us. Sorry.

Yeah! Yeah!!! Yeah…

I hope this goes live tomorrow, but I guess it’s too much to hope for

kevinmrstowe.4098:

Helo its me Kevin. FIVE is my new guild primarily made up of scum bags and zergers. We are the “Channel 5 news team.” We will bring you the news and you will love us for it.

-ty

• Breaks up fight club because entire match up already hates you
• Runs around with 5 dedicated players on voice comm with specific builds + 2 pugs, and wipes to ~10ish PUG DR who are not communicating in any way.
• Comes on forum and claims it is a straight 30v5 and that they amassed tonnes of loot bags.
• Will soon upload a video which cuts after every kill or maybe a 7k back stab for special ultra l33t effects and proof of being pro.

Yeah Kevin there’s really no news here worth reading, we have all seen it before. You’ll have to do better in the future.

Good luck with your guild though!

Josefjk.6310:

bellrang.1628:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Varconi.1804:

bellrang.1628:

Just wanted to say thank you to FIVE (aka SPCA) for ram sacking the fight club, to think you guys couldn’t get any lower.

Anyways, I enjoyed your loot bags.

wasn’t spca but grats getting 2 loot bags I looted 30+

FIVE is an alt for SPCA guys.

Its not hard to tell when the same exact group with the same builds/characters/gear/tactics attacks.

We killed them so many times its boring lol

5v30

This makes me laugh.

(If you actually want a 5v30 I am sure we can arrange it, but I am not so sure you would have much success.)

Shu.6981:

Tots.3056:

Irony.8056:

Just watched “the video”. Omg.. that has video of the year written all over it. Circle of shame .. I laughed. Great stuff.

Tots did you watch it ? If you did then Lmao. If that was me I would hang my head very low. That’s about as poor as you can play as a mesmer.

I have to wonder where oozo fits into all of this. Seems like he’s not even happy your in AD. Just my thoughts.

Yes I did. If you look at the hits he does on me you’ll see he does very low damage for a glass cannon thief. I was messing around with a super tanky support build used for larger groups that focuses on reflecting projectiles and retaliation uptime, definitely not a 1v1 spec build. He got me that time, everyone loses now and then. :P

Also, reading his description I’m starting to come to this conclusion: SPCA have been disrespecting ADQQSTY on the forums because I tea bagged Tievospy.

He’s saying everything was started because I teabagged him, classy. Pretty ridiculous don’t you think?

Troll successful, he took the time to make a video just for me

according to this video teivo does very LOW damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WypalJaU4

Not sure if you are serious or not but for a thief that damage is indeed quite low.

sostronk.8167:

Gab Superstar.4059:

sostronk.8167:

Hard to say outside that, but just going by Millenium statistics. JQ is clearly the most stable server of all time. Only spent one time out of Tier 1 in their history. Most medals of all time. Recently we had what other servers would have considered a big "implosion"and guess what, we are still here still number 2 and still competing heavily in Tier 1.

Clearly.

And this is why I lol at people mentioning only NA servers.

I don’t really care what happens in EU.

What does the EU have to do with GW2?

sostronk.8167:

Hard to say outside that, but just going by Millenium statistics. JQ is clearly the most stable server of all time. Only spent one time out of Tier 1 in their history. Most medals of all time. Recently we had what other servers would have considered a big "implosion"and guess what, we are still here still number 2 and still competing heavily in Tier 1.

Clearly.

And this is why I lol at people mentioning only NA servers.

wish.1027:

How do I get in on this drama? It looks fun. My mule is on GOM, which side does that put me on??

GoM is not involved in this. But you could always claim GoM wins through superior tactics and skill rather than their coverage. That will get things going.

Offski.4897:

Anet seems to solve complaints about wvw by doing what they do in pve = more content/gimmicks. What they don’t realise is that this is completely unneccessary. The introduction of the supply trap was an awful idea imao, as it is difficult enough taking a t3 keep without it being easy to remove all supply from the attackers.

As people get used to these traps rams will become obsolete and the only way to take a t3 keep will be golems. Anyway I have no doubt that more gimmicks/traps will be introduced as Anet seem not to speak to the wvw community.

the problem with these new mechanics/skills is that they make wvw far harder to balance.

There are two types of player in WvW, people who just enter WvW a few times a week for guild events etc, and people who spend the majority of their game time in WvW.

Arena Net depends on both player types to sustain WvW. The former one is needed to bring bodies to WvW, and the latter is needed to make sure there is siege being dropped, upgrades being ordered and that there are commanders on the field the casual players can follow. The more dedicated WvW player has already shown that they will keep playing WvW without much incentive, and so Arena Net focuses on winning over the casual player instead.

That’s why you will never see a patch that addresses the real problems of WvW (well, according to dedicated WvW players anyway), and instead see superficial and gimmicky enhancements to WvW. Basically, you will never see a patch for WvW aimed at “you”, because Arena Net already knows you will keep playing.

Hope this clears some things up for you

jaycatano.6738:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Lol’d at people listing NA servers.

what’s wrong with NA servers?

Why don’t you tell me?

Jomg.9061:

DevonCarver.5370:

Ascii.9726:

Question: Will these reward chests for ranks be given for people who already have Ranks? For example will a Rank 60 player receive 60 chests?

There will be a system for rewarding players who have already gained ranks. The way it will work is you will have a backlog of 60 chests, if you were at rank 61, and for each rank you achieve after that you will get 2 chests, instead of 1, until you’ve received all 60 of your backlog. These bonus chests should be available for every player who has gained rank prior to the build.

That kinda sux for hardcore players :/

With my rank 130 i’ll have to wait until 260 to get all my reward… And i know some people are already 200+, that sux even more for them..

No, you will have to wait until level 200.

Lol’d at people listing NA servers.

Jscull.2514:

My favorite is Teivo is still referred to as a “she” ….. with incomplete sentences that leave all the articles out. He gets other people to write their sentences the same way lol….how does that not make any of you laugh?

I just don’t understand why he doesn’t post the videos on the forum account he is actively using in this thread.

Rezzet.3614:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Ungood.3054:

wish.3102:

Deniara Devious.3948:

So let me rephrase this logic:
1. Everybody should play a thief to learn to counter them. And equip their character accordingly. Or they deserve to die to a button masher

2. Almost nobody players engineer in WvWvW and if a thief just spams his skills through block, blind and confusion and then loses, it is a sign that things are balanced.

Learning about other classes moves and how to counter them and knowing ahead of time what theyre likely to do is something good players find to be a standard thing to do. You wanna go into a fight and mash buttons and not care what your opponent does and still win I see, so I guess this skill based game isnt for you, have you ever thought about Hello Kitty Island Advanture? playing a Thief, I think that might be more your speed since you dont want to put in any effort to learning about what the classes youll be fighting can do.

Fixed that for you.

Of the main points people have been bringing up time and time again is that “being able to win a fight with no skill” is exactly the tool kit that is given to the thief class in GW2.

Hey. Why don’t you roll a Thief and try beating a good guardian? A good ranger? A good engineer? A good D/D ele?

That’s right, you can’t. Face it, almost any profession can smash a thief in 1v1 combat. It’s really easy too. Just bunker up and win by attrition, that would be the definition of having no skill and still winning fights.

People just choose not to because they somehow believe that they should have all kinds of utility in WvW while still being able to beat the profession that can only do well in that one format, 1v1 combat.

again this is because thief requires no skill to instantly kill single players if thiefs actually depended on skill they would know Shortbows hit multiple enemies even with auto attack up to 2k damage easily .

The only thing a Thief could instantly kill would be a glass cannon if the Thief is equally glassy.

Rezzet.3614:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Ungood.3054:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Ungood.3054:

wish.3102:

Deniara Devious.3948:

So let me rephrase this logic:
1. Everybody should play a thief to learn to counter them. And equip their character accordingly. Or they deserve to die to a button masher

2. Almost nobody players engineer in WvWvW and if a thief just spams his skills through block, blind and confusion and then loses, it is a sign that things are balanced.

Learning about other classes moves and how to counter them and knowing ahead of time what theyre likely to do is something good players find to be a standard thing to do. You wanna go into a fight and mash buttons and not care what your opponent does and still win I see, so I guess this skill based game isnt for you, have you ever thought about Hello Kitty Island Advanture? playing a Thief, I think that might be more your speed since you dont want to put in any effort to learning about what the classes youll be fighting can do.

Fixed that for you.

Of the main points people have been bringing up time and time again is that “being able to win a fight with no skill” is exactly the tool kit that is given to the thief class in GW2.

Hey. Why don’t you roll a Thief and try beating a good guardian? A good ranger? A good engineer? A good D/D ele?

LOL. Cute Qualifier “Good”, which is a fancy way of saying “If they Lose they are not good”

What? According to you?

If so how could I beat a good thief?

you wouldnt he’d teleport/stealth and run away if he wasnt able to kill you

Ask him to duel or go to Fight Club?

Highlie.7641:

Hm running out of crazy builds to use. Broke out the single sword single dagger last night. hilarious , any suggestions for tonight

Go pistol / nothing.

Ungood.3054:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Ungood.3054:

wish.3102:

Deniara Devious.3948:

So let me rephrase this logic:
1. Everybody should play a thief to learn to counter them. And equip their character accordingly. Or they deserve to die to a button masher

2. Almost nobody players engineer in WvWvW and if a thief just spams his skills through block, blind and confusion and then loses, it is a sign that things are balanced.

Learning about other classes moves and how to counter them and knowing ahead of time what theyre likely to do is something good players find to be a standard thing to do. You wanna go into a fight and mash buttons and not care what your opponent does and still win I see, so I guess this skill based game isnt for you, have you ever thought about Hello Kitty Island Advanture? playing a Thief, I think that might be more your speed since you dont want to put in any effort to learning about what the classes youll be fighting can do.

Fixed that for you.

Of the main points people have been bringing up time and time again is that “being able to win a fight with no skill” is exactly the tool kit that is given to the thief class in GW2.

Hey. Why don’t you roll a Thief and try beating a good guardian? A good ranger? A good engineer? A good D/D ele?

LOL. Cute Qualifier “Good”, which is a fancy way of saying “If they Lose they are not good”

What? According to you?

If so how could I beat a good thief?

I would probably buy it. My first 100 hours of this game were definitely top notch in terms of enjoyment, only surpassed by Freelancer and GW1. The 2,5k after that haven’t been as enjoyable, but 100 hours is still more than I expect from a brand new €50 game these days.

Hopefully a potential expansion will be more connected to and driven by its storyline because of the smaller size. That I never felt very connected to a story, neither the overarching one or the minor ones for each zone was a major flaw with GW2 imo, but also something they have sort of remedied with the latest addition to the Living Story. I just hope they can keep this mentality of truly tying the zones, content and characters to the storyline going forward.