Guild Wars 2

Well. Then think about it this way:

The pact decides to loot and plunder ancient human artifacts and use/sell them. Other races will demolish temples, split up the land, and claim their share in the city of the gods, Arah.

What does that mean? You will think it twice to let the Pact help you. And to see your “allies” claim your ancestrasl lands and loot it – would you help them get theirs back? Or maybe you would wait for the opportunity to ambush them while they are busy with the next dragon and at the moment the dragon is defeated, the charr legions for example will charge the pact tropps, exit the alliance with other races and call back troops from the Pact. (for example, if the Queen would call back the humans from the pact, I’m sure most of them would obey. Who would you listen to? Your boss or a royal ruler?)

Every race lost ground to the dragons and I’m sure reclaiming those lands for each will be enough for them. Ofc other races won’t be kicked out, it’s just that Orr won’t have a charr county and such things.

@Rednik, who would the asura for example trade with if they claim Orr? Upset humans from Elona who are angry because your race claimed that land (btw still under Palawa’s oppression), or the Canthan navy that is coming to Orr to get things right?

If you are in the top 1-300 range, you will get teammates with the same ranks and will face unrankeds (ones not in the top 1k) mostly. So you will get further. If you are out of this range, you will get the worst players that you are imposible to carry against teams who are often made out of the top 50 players.

I’d suggest giving up. It’s pointless to try, you will only lose. Matchmaking is getting worse and worse by time.

This topic only proved it:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Anet-Why-is-TPvP-Match-making-UNFAIR/first#post2631627

If Arenanet can’t fix matchmaking then offer a monthlyMMR (yeah invisible MMR) reset for 50k glory.

Btw this isn’t an issue of low population in PvP. However this surely won’t make it grow.

If you weren’t lucky at start, there you go. No hopes.

Rednik.3809:

But humans did not defeat the Risen and and did not restore the Orr. Pact did. And Pact was funded by all nations. So i don’t see how humans can come and say “hooray, this is our land now, kk thx bye, we will settle Orr as new human kingdom, everyone else can comply or gtfo”

If an Orrian descendant or even any descendant of Doric shows up, I’m sure he will have a right to claim the land after the pact moved on. The Pact doesn’t want to conquer the world.. just cleanse it.

So basically you are telling that if we defeat Jormag and gain the ancient norn/kodan territory back, the asura will move in or any random race that contributed? Humans are the part of the pact too, why would any other race have any rights claiming it?

Alissah.9281:

Illusionary persona
-Use the additional shatter effect from illusionary persona to down an enemy X times.
-Use the additional shatter effect from illusionary persona to interupt an enemy X times.
-Use the additional shatter effect from illusionary persona to interupt a nearby enemy while reviving the ally.

sword
-hit enemies with X Mind Wracks while you immobilized them.
-down an enemy while you immobilized them X times.
-land a full blurred frenzy on an enemy X times.
-evade X attacks using blurred frenzy.
-evade hits from several enemies at once during a blurred frenzy X times.
-slash, gash or stab people X times.
-down an enemy with blurred frenzy while you’re below 5% of your total hp X times.

focus
-place the illusionary warden on top of a downed person to block their projectile interupt X times.
-place the warden on top of a downed person and let it hit an aditional enemy X times.
-use into the void while reviving a team mate, pulling an enemy X times.
-pull multiple enemies with into the void X times.
-cripple X enemies with temporal curtain while applying swiftness to yourself.

portal
-use your portal to finish X enemies.
-use your portal to go in a contested point, preventing it from going neutral X times.
-use X portals.

blink
-travel X units using blink
-use blink while surrounded by multiple enemies and dont take damage after teh blink for several seconds X times.

So many ideas for acheivements :O!

So many achies to just grind in a CA and takes 0 skill. I agree that we need achievements in PvP but not about that everything shall give one, even using blink 2378436 times.

WatchTheShow.7203:

Eh I don’t really agree. I like how Anet is doing the presents. Everyone gets the same mini pet when they turn 1, so nobody is “luckier” or “favored”.

If it was RNG based, a lot of people would be upset because they didn’t get the mini they wanted, and would whine like nobody’s business on the forums. Well, I guess they do that anyway, but I assume it could get worse.

Even if the RNG minis weren’t account bound, and were able to be traded on the TP, some minis would cost considerably more than others. All I need to say is compare Lord Faren’s mini to Lady Kasmeer’s mini. Lord Faren is around 2 gold while Kasmeer hovers around 20 gold. An even bigger difference is the Jackalope and the Undead Chicken. They’re both exotics, but the chicken is about 70 gold, and the jackalope hovers around 150-160 gold. How about that exotic baby karka mini that goes for 200 gold? All of those minis are exotics, but some are clearly more popular than others. The same thing would happen to RNG birthday minis. 7 of the 10 RNG birthday minis would sell for 1 gold, while the 3 favorites would go for hundreds of gold. Then people would flock to the forums complaining about how they got the cheap mini for their birthday and not the expensive one, and how they can’t afford to buy the expensive ones because they’re not “rich enough”.

The system Anet has is fine. It mimics the achievement award system, and I have no problem with it.

Yeah. Instead of making someone just happen and some extra happy, everyone gets a mini that is totally pointless, because everyone will get it. Everyone.

When you got the birthday box, you were excited, because you never knew what will you get. Yes I often got the worst minis if we look at the value, but often I loved those almost worthless minipets because I got them as a birthday gift and that meant a lot. I loved them doesn’t matter what. I was always looking forward for the next box, what will I get, will that be rare and so on.

But if you got and extreme rare one, then you could either show off or sell it, so your birthday actually got you loads of gold.

But now, you get something that nobody will use because everyone has it. Income = 0, Value = 0.

I would wait 5 more minutes to have a fair match with no braindeads 1v1ing a bunker guard for 5 mins.

Korsbaek.9803:

and humans abandon it or threw it out so they lost the right to reclaim it.

so none have the right the reclaim it but i gess if one of the races truely needs the space the would get it but given how it is right now i dont think anyone want it and the only race that looks like they might need it in the future would be sylvari if they can get a new tree to grow there.

When did they abandon it? The whole kingdom got flooded with 90% of its inhabitants.

I don’t think humans would let the sylvari just grow another tree in the middle of their most holy ground.

Ursan.7846:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

OP – please change your title. It’s like saying “Difference between Orange and Orange”.

I think you meant to say the difference between random luck and purchases?

I’m pretty sure he means the difference between being awarded a random account-bound item as opposed to a random non-account-bound item.

I mean lot of people write to the topic which is against this GW2 birthday minipet system – everyone gets 1 Jennah on all characters after they turn one year, and newbies just don’t get it why do we want RNG back if we are supposed to hate it.

I am talking about that BL chests and other gemstore chests drop 99% unrelated junk opposed to what you want, when with GW1 birthday present you can and will get a minipet, nothing junk. Some minipets are rare, some aren’t, but you will get one doesn’t matter what happens.

It’s not the classical GW2 RNG where you want a minipet and you get a swimbooster.

Kirschwasser.3972:

Gandarel.5091:

Arenanet writers can only kill off important human characters.

Any important charcters that died in the LS? Only the Ascalonian Theo Ashford.

Any city getting attacked and burned down? Ofc it is DR.

But still looking forward for it. Just seems unfair.

Important NPC’s died among the Asura, Sylvari, Charr, and Norn throughout the personal story for all races.

Well… maybe not Asura. I can’t think of any Asura.

But still, my point remains.

And I’m still talking about the living story not the personal… why is it so hard to understand guys?

Volrath.1473:

and now the thread got moved to a place were no one EVER goes….

Subtle way of silencing him.

If you turn off the sound this video is about an ex-drug addict giving advices and telling his life-story.

Otherwise, totally agree with Helseth.

dunnberry.2964:

So they’ll just let humanity get wiped out and are okay with a dragon formally eating all their artifacts and making some humans question the 6 gods? Yea more like they can’t kill them because they are magic and oh what do the dragons eat? That’s right

You are hopelessly single-minded. Gods can give and seal magic.

We killed Zhaitan, he fell. When Abadon fell, he reshaped a half continent. Whe he was defeated at Nightfall, his unleashing power almost destroyed 2 worlds.

Yeah a drake would consume them so much. Humans aren’t extinct and aren’t that close. Maybe if they would be in a totally hopeless situation they would help. Or let their chosen race die because they aren’t worthy.

dunnberry.2964:

If your gods are so kitten powerful and the Asura and charr suck so much…why don’t they come kill the elder dragons instead of the Asura and charr doing the main heavy lifting(actual heavy lifting of objects typically done by drunk norn)

Because they no longer care about puny mortals and maybe testing humanity.

It’s not about that they “can’t”, it’s about they “don’t”.

He is a direct descendant. Also, his ancestors were peasants (or maybe not, we don’t know Keiran’s background), but then also became high-ranked military officers and the founders of the only still-standing Ascalonian city, while Logan too is being a high-ranked military officer.

And not a Thackeray’s in charge of Ebonhawke atm. Ok, Wade is a descendant of royal-blood Kings, but the Thackerays come next in the hierarchy. Also a part I don’t get.

PvP. Because that doesn’t exist.

LoneWolfie.1852:

I can only say that spending 75 g on the new weapon and having people to farm endlessly for that weapon… I would not want the GW1 HOM players getting the same reward just because they played GW1.

I completely disapprove of this topic.

New sword is onehanded, Fellbalde is 2 handed. New sword has purle glows and runes, GW1 sword doesn’t.

+1

I actually use fellblade on my guard, but that’s just for nostalgic reasons. This effect would definitely make it more appailing.

They used to spoil everything that’s coming and should be a surprise, with achievements.

Maybe this time they announced the 10% and let the rest just suddenly happen and evolve. I like it.

Logan is a Thackeray, descendant of Gwen and Keiran Thackeray, founders of Ebonhawke and leaders of the Vanguard.

He should be a “VIP” in Ebonhawke and a respected figure of humanity the same way as someone from the royal line but in a lesser volume.

In the book Destiny’s edge, the guards of Ebonhawke only know him as a gladiator of the arena and the fighter of the DE.

Also, he can’t have an open relationship with Queen Jennah probably because he is lower ranked. He is the second or maybe most important character from Ascalon along with Wade Samuelsson. This relation could bring the two nations a bit closer.

Has his heritage had completely been forgotten? (Konig! Where are my answers?! ;D )

*Maguuma Jungle.

And Scarlet could move it to the sylvary direction. Thay can’t rotate it as 1 from everything and then repeat. The need some charr, some norn, some LA, some break, some human and so on. Everything will have its time i’m sure.

PMilkos.9103:

Gandarel.5091:

SirDrygan.1823:

Gandarel.5091:

Mespilia.2896:

Unfair in war???

Unfair in story writing.

There is nothing unfair in story writing. You write what you want to tell readers…..
How is it unfair to massacre hundreds or thousands of people from a storyline point of view? It is for dramatic affect.

I’m just talking about that we got like 20 races and they can only punish humans.

How are they “only punishing humans”? When the dredge and flame legion united and stuck against the charr and norn first, where they “only punishing humans”? When Jormag drove the norn out of their homeland, where they “only punishing humans”? When the dragons invaded all regions except for Kryta, were they “only punishing humans”?

It’s actually high time for something happened to Kryta. They’ve softened up to the point where they’re getting beaten by kitten horses. Their Queen does nothing but throw parties and banquets while Logan and Anise are too busy running behind her skirts to get anything done…

I was talking about the LS and IMPORTANT characters, not villagers being terrorized.

But if we are at it… humans lost Ascalon to the charr in a magical genocide. Humans lost Orr as another magical genocide. Southern Kryta got flooded and lost its capital city along with most of its navy.

Human got defeated by undeads in Vabbi, Kourna and Istan. Humans lost ground when the Jade wind struck half of Cantha.

Yeah.. norn got driven south. I almost feel sorry for them just like for murderous charrs.

This will be the first thing I will try out. 3 Logans with 1 Jennah.. because I’m a pervert :X

And it would be interesting to get a mini unnamed royal child as a reward :o

Edit: Or forging it with Rytlock to get a Treaty.

dunnberry.2964:

The charr would tell the gods whatever they want, including a sword in the throat, and the Asura simply would not care what the gods had to say

Yeah ofc, talking about the charrs who got crushed by humans after just a word from Balthtazar to “conquer”? The charrs that were manipulated by a human god without who humans would still rule Ascalon? :P

Ofc a sword would be so efficient against gods that can shape continents within seconds.

About the asura, I don’t think the gods would negotiate with them, just wipe them off Tyria in a blink of an eye if needed.

SirDrygan.1823:

Gandarel.5091:

Mespilia.2896:

Unfair in war???

Unfair in story writing.

There is nothing unfair in story writing. You write what you want to tell readers…..
How is it unfair to massacre hundreds or thousands of people from a storyline point of view? It is for dramatic affect.

I’m just talking about that we got like 20 races and they can only punish humans.

Vena.8436:

The problem right now isn’t about “balance”, teams will run whatever comp is strong or they will try to run a counter build to the meta (or they’ll just run twenty spirit rangers).

The problem is that there is no incentive to run TeamQ. I gain barely anything more from it than I do from SoloQ, and both produce less than HotJoins. There is no name recognition (team roster go go), nor is there some unique reward (legendary shards/zkeys, go go). The majority of the player base before and/or after the patch were SoloQ players and now they at least have an environment in which to play without too much worry of random premades farming them and feeling “superior”.

What we’re missing, simply, is that little bit of an extra, unique incentive to take the step up to forming, organizing, and running a team for TeamQ. Rewards or automated tournaments, either, will do the job. It just doesn’t exist at the moment.

I mean, hell, here’s a quick patch:
Winning TeamQ rewards you a TeamQ Reward Chest which contains a chance at minis, rare skins (the new ones), or such.

There’s only one gamemode to play, and 3 formats try to live on it. No wonder that numbers are shrinking and team arena/solo arena operates with low-pop.

Mespilia.2896:

Unfair in war???

Unfair in story writing.

Arenanet writers can only kill off important human characters.

Any important charcters that died in the LS? Only the Ascalonian Theo Ashford.

Any city getting attacked and burned down? Ofc it is DR.

But still looking forward for it. Just seems unfair.

JayMack.8295:

Depends really.

If they add 10 minipets to the birthday presents and they all have an equal chance of dropping, then selling them and trading them would work. There’s still going to be ones that are favoured over the others and worth more but they aren’t going to be ultra expensive.

If you go back to GW1’s system where some people will get a rare minipet that could be sold for hundreds of gold but most people get a common one that sells for under a gold, it’s still gonna kitten people off.

That’s the point in it.

Maybe you just get a nice new minipet for your collection, but maybe this makes you rich. And that’s a nice gift :P

Currentl,y everyone is kittened off. So this could only help, and this is what players are asking for.

Advent, Faolain is dead.

Like it would be a surprise

Player 1"Hey i got a Jennah"
Player 2"Dude, me too"
Player 1"And you Jack, what did you get?"
Player 3"Guess what, a Jennah!

Like Ebonhawke gives a kitten about Queen Jennah. Some like the treaty, some don’t. But all Ascalonians hate that the Queens guards took over the barracks of Ebonhawke and put pressure on them.

Also, OP said Ebonhawke is rarely mentioned. Actually you just have to look Dragon bash, the human emissary was pointed out by Jennah and Wade Samuelsson, and is from Ebonhawke.

+ this takes place in Kryta, so Kryta and DR won’t have it’s emissary, but instead another human semi-kingdom. Ebonhawke is still a bit separated from Kryta, Jennah is the Queen of Kryta and only the regent of Ascalon.

Btw the treaty could have its own LS, I can imagine an agreement on a common assault to reclaim Drascir. This way we get a new territory, charrs will strike another blow at their cousins, the flame legion, and Ascalon will get its capital city back. Put an asura gate there, tune it to Ebonhawke, and a New Kingdom of Ascalon is starting to take shape.

FoopOplo.7914:

They’re still considering different types of gamemodes. Also, there will never be a GW3. GW2 will just keep evolving to eventually become GW3 they say.

On topic though, sPvP is growing in GW2. It got off to a fairly rough start with the lack of tools and newbies being scared away by constant slaughterings. Now they’re fixing some of that, and sPvP is on the rise. It’s only a matter of time.

Guess I will come back 4 years later and maybe they will make a deathmatch by then.

GW1’s PvP population was at least 50 times GW2’s after 1 year of release. 90% of them tried GW2. Nearly all of them left. So.. yeah, kinda growing I guess. Some years and we can beat up a homemade f2p game.

butch.8136:

Well it is early and the population overall is already low. So I think not even 10 people queued up at that point. Sad, but the truth.

It only takes 10 players to make this game an E-sport, so that 10 can play e-sport conquest eternally. Who cares about the rest?

I don’t see the problem. /leaving Arenanet dev’s mind

Gizmo.8623:

Gandarel.5091:

It would just turn to be a deathmatch.

1. Deathmatch 5v5 won at flag = you can score 1.

Deathmatch #2 won by other team, they can score one. How do you want to hunt down a flag carrier if he already got the flag? Other teammates can keep you up long enough. You got no mounts to get there from your respawn point. The only reason this isn’t happening that much in spirit watch is because some party members also have to watch for cap points.

Flags would be just a measure for how many deathmatches won. Then why don’t they just make a deathmatch?

I disagree. Burst of 5 ppl on one would mean very quick death of flag carrier. His defenders are to to CC enemies, heal flag carrier, try to kill anyone, while the other team have only one objective – kill flag carrier and get fallen flag. Where is deathmatch here? Every second of mindless fight would bring your flag closer to enemy base. Sure, you can have your deathmatch if you wanna lose.
And while enemy team is defending his flag carrier, your team can take their flag. This transform game into hunt, not deathmatch.

Besides – why not equip map with traps that can instantly kill (or severe wound) flag carrier? Like – jumping platforms that can be destroyed leading someone to death and return flag to base. This way we would have multiple ways for returning taken flag.
More – why not give teams possibility to ‘borrow’ some mobs and unleash them on enemy base or pack of hounds that hunt flag carrier, for example?

I believe that Anet have really powerful arsenal of mechanics that can be added for spicing spvp gameplay. Just… no more capture points on future maps!

Yeah, dyeing after 2 seconds of being a flag carrier really sounds better.

You want instant kill traps and platforms? Skyhammer 2? Add mobs? More AI to fight? I thought we are in PvP.

If flag is at mid, you would need to commune for some seconds = kill the enemy team first. Deathmatch. They are all wiped, you can score your flag easily.

Sometimes I wonder.

1 years after GW2’s release, still hundreds/thousands play GW1’s pvp for fun.

But after one day of GW3’s launch, would ANYONE stay to play GW2? Or who will stay if conquest stays the sole gamemode for 1 more year. Or forever.

Less than 4k players play soloque on NA, including some PvE guys. In GW1, you could barely get an inv to one of the top 1,000 PvP guilds, and they had 8 core players for matches not 5.

They say they don’t want to split the community with gamemodes. Well there will be nothing to split if you don’t give content (gamemodes) to play.

PvE gets something new every 2 weeks. It’s been one years and we only got maps, 4 maps, maps that are basically the same, and the community refuses to play 3 out of 4.

Devs did everything to make it impossible to enjoy and have as little bond to MMos as possible. And to make it the total opposite of GW1.

Yeah I guess moba would be the perfect way how they could make it worse.

If you are in the top 300, you get guys in the top 300 in your team. If you aren’ in that range, you will be facing those guys with r10 ones in your team who aren’t on the leaderboard.

The more you lose, the more impossible it is to win. And it is hard to win with mentally challenged people in your team.

Also, the community is small. With nothing to play but conquest + terrible meta + worst matchmaking ever, Arenanet is still totally satisfied because their 3-4 teams can compete on an E-sport scale.

It would just turn to be a deathmatch.

1. Deathmatch 5v5 won at flag = you can score 1.

Deathmatch #2 won by other team, they can score one. How do you want to hunt down a flag carrier if he already got the flag? Other teammates can keep you up long enough. You got no mounts to get there from your respawn point. The only reason this isn’t happening that much in spirit watch is because some party members also have to watch for cap points.

Flags would be just a measure for how many deathmatches won. Then why don’t they just make a deathmatch?

Copestetic.5174:

Conan.8046:

I would settle for a capture the flag…or another type of game. Maybe a last man standing?

Ranger wins.

Permastealth thief wins.

I beg to differ. Yesterday we defeated a team that had 4 spirit rangers and we only got 3! It’s possible!

Just remove that grandmaster trait in PvP which allowes your spirits to follow you. This way it’s good for bunkering and maybe people won’t stack it.

There could be so many awesome gamemodes even if we look only at GW1.

But CTF ain’t one. I’m totally against it. That’s worse than conquest. Now you need a bunker, then you would need a flag carrier. They should focus on modes where everything is fine. Like deathmatch. King of the hill. Maybe even relic run, but probably that’s a CTF version that could work out better.

Well, I can see how many unknown teams will grab the chance and sign up with 5 spirit rangers.

The Spiral King.2483:

PvP people get to essentially determine balance changes, so I can never really feel that bad for them. My Ranger is still furious with what happened to the pets in PvE because of the whining in PvP.

It’s not our problem that they don’t split the kills. Spirit ranger is basically just autoattack+healing skill and almost immortal. You think we like the meta?

We get a balance change every 3 months that nerf everything that we loved and just make powercreep build all the time. And still nothing to play.

TehPwnerer.7215:

Those stories weren’t ABOUT the Norn or the Charr though it was about the flame legion and the dredge forming an alliance that was a threat to Tyria and just started in those areas.

This event, and the next one, appear to be about nothing more than a Queen of the humans celebrating her reign. Why should I care? Why is this being forced on everyone? Once again, if I wanted to care about this kind of stuff I would play a human and do their personal story.

They can’t make a content that involves all 5 races at the same time every 2 weeks.

And with flame and frost we had conversations with Rytlock, Knut Whitebear, Eir, we got 2 new allies, a norn and a charr, Braham and Rox, and the events and dungeons were about saving norns/charrs and pushing the Molten guys.

skullmount.1758:

Gandarel.5091:

skullmount.1758:

Hey, at least you PvP people got new maps, modes, spectator, etc. What has the WvW gotten? Culling (which is PvE also anyways) and WXP, which is only used for (mostly) passive abilities. I don’t really think you PvP players have much to complain about.

We never got new modes, and that’s what we are complaining about. GW1 had like 20. GW2 has 1… that one which wasn’t even considered PvP in GW1.

And we only play 1 map they added because the rests aren’t PvP maps. Skyhammer – take knockback and oneshot enemies.

I agree that WvW is nearly at the same shoe as PvP. But PvP- playing the same 10 min fight for 1 years on different looking maps that are basically the same – you call this fun? It took them 6 months to make a solojoin version of the tournaments, with a matchmaking and rating system that is the worst you can find.

About spectator: we can’t spectate top tournament matches, we can only spectate hotjoin where PvE guys stomp each other with PvE builds, keyboard turning.

What about the Norn spirit map thing? Wasn’t that a different kind of PvP? It was a capture the flag kind, instead of hold points. I don’t PvP, so I don’t really know all the maps/modes. I do more WvW than PvP, but thats usually only for dailies or last resort (boredom) thing to do.

Spirit watch works like: you got 3 capture points (just like any other maps, so conquest), and an orb in the middle. You can carry the orb and make 15 points if you take it to a point that is not under your team’s control and 30 if it is under your team’s control.

Goal is still 500 points. It’s still the same node-capping with an annoying orb to pay attention for. You can’t win without capturing points.

Even a simple deathmatch would be awesome step too..

Ever heard of fireworks? :P

Or what a concept art is. They wanted to make the picture to ‘have more life’ probably.

And i wouldn’t think a ships that’s majority is glass would be good for battle.

Why would I care about charrs and norn being attacked by the Molten Alliance? For 4 months? Four! I wish’d they would succed and kill off the charrs.

Katran.9186:

Gandarel.5091:

And we only play 1 map they added because the rests aren’t PvP maps. Skyhammer – take knockback and oneshot enemies.

Eee-hee-hee, take stability or try to use dodge roll sometime, k, rabbit?

Yeah, dodge roll a middle of a chainfear. Or an asura swinging a hammer. Or an engi that has 3 knockbacks in 3 seconds. You must be r20. You can dodge some, but that doesn’t change the fact they have to land only 1 hit to kill you and they got a gigantic aoe cannon that can’t be dodged.

Yes i am a rabbit with 4 champ titles. Have you ever visited the PvP forums? Nobody shares your opinion about the map. It was taken off the Team Arenas rotation for a reason.

skullmount.1758:

Hey, at least you PvP people got new maps, modes, spectator, etc. What has the WvW gotten? Culling (which is PvE also anyways) and WXP, which is only used for (mostly) passive abilities. I don’t really think you PvP players have much to complain about.

We never got new modes, and that’s what we are complaining about. GW1 had like 20. GW2 has 1… that one which wasn’t even considered PvP in GW1.

And we only play 1 map they added because the rests aren’t PvP maps. Skyhammer – take knockback and oneshot enemies.

I agree that WvW is nearly at the same shoe as PvP. But PvP- playing the same 10 min fight for 1 years on different looking maps that are basically the same – you call this fun? It took them 6 months to make a solojoin version of the tournaments, with a matchmaking and rating system that is the worst you can find.

About spectator: we can’t spectate top tournament matches, we can only spectate hotjoin where PvE guys stomp each other with PvE builds, keyboard turning.