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Need more info on dungeon rares with facts and figures. I would but I don’t do dungeons ^^ And that would be a ton of tokens.
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Excellent work Geo. It seems that BLSKs are unchanged. Anet herding people towards the gem store?
I’m not sure what happened really. I know that 40 salvages “should” produce at least one (2) or (3). The chances that through a string of 40 salvages with BLSK resulted in all 1’s and 0’s imo seems very slim. The game has been buggy for me and many people, the 40 test was yesterday. I logged off and went to bed, woke up started my computer and game. Then did the salvages from broker with NEW BLSK’s. If it was just me experiencing that huge difference I would probably not even be shaken. But the fact that many people experienced it seems very strange. Unless we are holding on to a theory that a stealth nerf occurred and then retracted (because we are very observant people) , then I would say the current rate seems ok. But this is just for TP and new salvage kits not dungeon token ones. It could very well be a glitch, a bug, or some insanely (and I mean that..) strange luck on the part of about 20+ people, myself included.
An official response of course would be great on the matter. One that states MSK/BLSK and other salvage kits have remained the same and that dungeon token salvaging hasn’t changed. As well as ectos themselves have not been changed, other than they have been added to wvw?/spvp? I didn’t see the exact info on the pvp stuff, I’m not a huge pvper so not sure.
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150 Rares from TP
180 Ectos Salvaged (With BLSK)
0-3 Ectos salvaged, in fact seen several 3’s pop and 2’s like my old test.
Longest Streak of 1’s = 4 before hitting a 2 or 3. No strings similar to yesterday.
41 0’s
63 1’s
21 2’s
25 3’s
Total numbers (N): 150
Sum of numbers: 180.0
Mean (average) value: 1.2
Population standard deviation (?): 1.01980390272
Population variance (?2): 1.04
Sample standard deviation (s): 1.02322034077
Sample variance (s2): 1.04697986577
If it follows the normal distribution
The 68.3% measure confidence range, ? 0.1767796592269 – 2.2232203407731
The 90% measure confidence range, 1.645? -0.48319746057174 – 2.8831974605717
The 95% measure confidence range, 1.960? -0.80551186791527 – 3.2055118679153
The 99% measure confidence range, 2.576? -1.4358155978315 – 3.8358155978315
The 99.9% measure confidence range, 3.291? -2.1674181414843 – 4.5674181414843
The 99.99% measure confidence range, 3.891? -2.7813503459481 – 5.1813503459481
The 99.999% measure confidence range, 4.417? -3.3195642451948 – 5.7195642451948
The 99.9999% measure confidence range, 4.892? -3.805593907062 – 6.205593907062
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Ok, lets not turn this into a forum pvp thread. Something was definitely different today and yesterday. I understand RNG and the chances of getting only 1 ecto from 40+ rares using a BL kit seems pretty off. I watched yesterday as it dropped 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,0 etc over and over. So today I decided to try again and using new BL kits my results were as follows:
150 Rares from TP
180 Ectos Salvaged
0-3 Ectos salvaged, in fact seen several 3’s pop and 2’s like my old test.
I will add the other info in a bit, but I wanted to tone down the thread. It really does seem awkward that so many people were experiencing this myself included over many accounts. I understand we all hate conspiracy theories, and I am not one to start or enable them. But sometimes we need to recheck the facts, re perform the tests, and gather enough evidence to make a solid conclusion. I still find yesterday very strange, but from TP so far the numbers look ok. I will post individual results in a bit after I analyze the video. Lets try to remain constructive and respectful.
Yes being nonconstructive and harassing usually is ^^ I’ve yet to see a Dev call a player lazy, I figure they deserve the same respect. You brought no new info to the discussion other than to gripe and call someone lazy.
I don’t want to be nonconstructive but I want simply add my doubts about the sickle.
I would buy one for my main as I did for the pickaxe, but I’d really appreciate if they change the animation to a sickle one, mantaining the water effect, and the time you need to harvest.
I agree, I think much more time and consideration could have been put into making this a better item.
Ecto prices changing, depending on whether this is permanent or not will affect if the price change will be permanent or not before settling.
Many people are experiencing a serious decrease in ecto salvage results. Many are showing either 0-1 results over many salvages. I do not know if this is a bug or intended but left out of patch notes.
After doing my research some time ago https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/BL-S-Kits-vs-Master-Kits-Results-Ectos/first we had a rate at which they would drop. But it seems a recent patch within a month or so has affected the drops.
Currently the discussion is https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Clarification-on-current-patch/first#post2112064 asking for clarification on updates not listed in patch.
And the ecto discussion on the issue is at https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Changes-to-ecto-salvage-from-rares/first#post2112054.
I listed the separate threads so that members could view them independently. I hope this gets sorted out soon, this is a huge deal since this material is very widely used and sold. I’d also ask that if you post in those or this thread to do so constructively as we have found this may very well not be a conspiracy theory. But rather a bug, or something else.
Developer laziness anyone?
Last thread got closed because people were qqing and not constructively discussing the topic. Way to start the spiral.
Sooooo….threads calling out Anet on their apparent laziness and terrible lack of quality control aren’t allowed? Hmmm….
Yes being nonconstructive and harassing usually is ^^ I’ve yet to see a Dev call a player lazy, I figure they deserve the same respect. You brought no new info to the discussion other than to gripe and call someone lazy.
The ecto thread is getting quite large, and some seriously fishy stuff is occurring.. Really hoping it is a bug.
It might be useful to differentiate between rares from dungeon tokens and rares from other content. Pedro did not do so, and it might be relevant.
Yes, I don’t really do dungeons so anyone who does feel free to add info ^^ Posted the info in the bug forum just in case https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Possible-Ecto-Bug-5-28-13/first#post2112129.
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I salvaged close to a thousand over the weekend and got the usual distribution of 0.9 ectos per rare. Today I haven’t seen more than 1 ecto from a single salvage, averaging a bit under 0.5 ectos per rare.
Something is fishy.
I agree. And people know we did the research in the large thread I created. Based off those past figures and current, it is even beyond my ability to call this a conspiracy. I will gladly approve of Arenanet for many things, but I am not biased, and I truly believe something is off here. The fact that an account that only my son ever plays which maybe has 5 hours on it is experiencing this as well says a lot. I would again like to warn people of doing mass salvages until this is resolved, even at the expense of the economy. I doubt greatly if a bug is found they can refund anyone all the lost ectos/gold.
Edit: All rares I salvaged were from TP and level 80.
Edit: If you do make a salvage test, I would say video it if you can just in case. In a perfect world if you have video and they have logs, you might get reimbursed if it is a bug. Just don’t expect it, just a suggestion.
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Geotherma it really seems some people are having this 1 ecto per rare issue and others arent.
some are calling me a “conspiracy thoerist” and others on my server are having the exact issue. guildies included
Possible diminishing returns on salvaging now?
Just did on a separate account, around 20 salvages with master kit for no more than 1 ecto per salvage. Having a higher average of 0. I know these are small samples but still seems off. It seems to not be global, but affecting certain people/accounts. I think at this point we need a dev response.
Geotherma it really seems some people are having this 1 ecto per rare issue and others arent.
some are calling me a “conspiracy thoerist” and others on my server are having the exact issue. guildies included
Possible diminishing returns on salvaging now?
Not sure, I normally call conspiracy because it is so common. But I never do so without research, or at least until I can research. And this is an obvious change even at low rates. I recommend not salvaging unless you are willing to get results for community, in case this is an unintended error. And I truly hope for Arenanets sake this wasn’t a stealth nerf because that fuels future conspiracy and that is never good,.. I may log onto my other account and check to see if it is DR, since that account never does much of anything there is no way it is affected. Anet stated before there is no DR on salvaging as far as ectos, I hope this hasn’t changed.
A couple of months ago I noticed a drop in the salvage rate of ectos, but around that same time I went from black lion salvage kits to mystic salvage kits and I thought that was the reason for it.
I’m using BL versions right now and even though it is a very small test number, something seems very off. And you know I am no where near a conspiracy theorist..
Edit: 22 rares = 8 ectos. Never more than 1 ecto per.
I want to remain positive, but I’m truly hoping this is an error and not a stealth nerf. If it is the latter.. you may have just given fuel to every conspiracy theorist ever and lose a great amount of credibility even by the most faithful of your player base. A nerf is one thing, people can deal eventually with that, but hiding it.. that is a whole different story.
Edit 2: http://youtu.be/8OFdMQHT91k
Small sample but something obvious here.. Will be ready in a few.
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So…. You won’t hear me say this often but.. I’m not 100% sure that the ecto drop rates are working correctly. I need to do more research, but bear in mind I wouldn’t ever say this if I had nothing to go off of.
A really large geyser would be cool. Alternatively the roots springing up could be larger and more aggressive. Anything on par with the mining pick would be nice. And hopefully the mining pick and sickle info gathered will help the axe be cool enough for our taste ^^ Heck you could almost copy and paste the lava effect in water version for geyser. The roots just need a size tweak. And then just fix the silly sound
^because being tactless and/or vulgar does not automatically make one guilty of whatever other thing we feel like accusing them of.
And yet of the many bullets I posted, he broke at least half if not every single one. He doesn’t deserve justification or enabling. In the end it doesn’t matter, if Arenanet finds it against the rules-which they probably will-, then he will probably receive a pretty harsh ban. And nothing you or I say will change that fact.
A threat is a threat. You do it in real life you can end up in jail, no different here except they are more lenient and just ban you ^^ It is rude and uncalled for, toxicity is a terrible thing. Internet isn’t a right to act like a complete fool and disregard basic human morals and ideals. If you said that statement to the president of the US you could end up in prison. Just saying, rules are da rules. There is no grey area here.
/facepalm
Threats express intent, not hope and wishes. ‘I wish a piano would fall on you’ is not a threat, ’I’ll drop a piano on you’ is a threat. As for whether the legal system in the USA distinguishes one from the other, I’d hope so for the sake of anyone who lives there, but it wouldn’t exactly surprise me massively either way.
Kind of unsure why you are defending him either way? Real life legal system aside, even the threat part aside, are you saying his statement isn’t harassment, isn’t vulgar, isn’t obnoxious and uncalled for in any way? Why is this even a discussion?
^The fact that you call ‘I wish’ et cetera, et cetera ‘directly threatening/harassing’. Against forum rules or otherwise, getting a threat from that is such a stretch it seems like it would hurt.
A threat is a threat. You do it in real life you can end up in jail, no different here except they are more lenient and just ban you ^^ It is rude and uncalled for, toxicity is a terrible thing. Internet isn’t a right to act like a complete fool and disregard basic human morals and ideals. If you said that statement to the president of the US you could end up in prison. Just saying, rules are da rules. There is no grey area here. I have a greater respect for human life and emotion, even before serving in a combat zone.
I could be wrong, but in the strict English sense, the second part was not a wish but a hope, which is just as disgusting. Either way it is obviously not what we want in our community, or in our world for that matter.
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I added it to the clarification thread ^^ Seems like we have a few hidden updates lol.. And we all know that breeds the ninja nerf rumors :P
Directly threatening/harassing an employee of Arenanet, get ready to see this person in the “banned” section up in account forums.
If I wish for a piano to fall on your head, would you start wearing a helmet?
I’m not sure where you were going with this?
I was referring to all those terms he broke with just one single post.
Now increases the ground target size of all marks. (Under Necro)[doesn’t mention circle]
Not quite sure what you mean by that.. the ground target size is the circle…
Sorry I wasn’t really clear. I meant that the closest thing i can find to the new “fire circles” is a necro change in size, which the necros circle has also changed to white flames. But can’t find actual notes on what I’m looking for specifically. Seems like a decent amount of stuff was not in the notes so trying to gather all the questions in one thread so maybe they can reply to everyone at once.
Still not quite seeing what you mean. If the ground-target skill is friendly, it will always appear as white, and if it’s from an enemy, it will be red. The notes just indicated that the trait now functions properly and increases the size of all Necro Marks.
This:
Enemy=Red
Friendly=White
Not the circle but its new animation, wasn’t mentioned in patch. I know that white has always meant friendly, red was always enemy. I was referring to the new animation, not the colors or range. The necro range was the closest thing in patch notes I could find that even reference any change to aoe circles, but is not about the change itself.
Now increases the ground target size of all marks. (Under Necro)[doesn’t mention circle]
Not quite sure what you mean by that.. the ground target size is the circle…
Sorry I wasn’t really clear. I meant that the closest thing i can find to the new “fire circles” is a necro change in size, which the necros circle has also changed to white flames. But can’t find actual notes on what I’m looking for specifically. Seems like a decent amount of stuff was not in the notes so trying to gather all the questions in one thread so maybe they can reply to everyone at once.
It seems to have helped people who are colorblind, so that’s good.
All I can find so far is:
Nameplates have brighter team colors during spectating. (Under Spvp)
Nameplates no longer show level 80. (Under Spvp)
Now increases the ground target size of all marks. (Under Necro)[doesn’t mention circle]
Well, I have been pvping a lot recently and really wanted a sclerite weapon to use there. So, I decided to sue my savings and try to get one. Over 600g spent…. Probably about 150 crates opened, and now I am left with nothing. Seriously? I feel cheated x.x Hopefully in the future anet will not release items that are only obtainable through ridiculous gambling.
I noticed no one posts what ELSE they got, could you list that so that it doesn’t look biased like you literally got 0 drops from every drop after 150. And how much that stuff netted you on TP.
Can we get the rest of the patch notes that seem to be left out please ^^ If I missed them please forgive my blindness but so far:
thanks for reporting this. I’ll be sure to forward this along.
We’re listening. That area was never intended to be accessible, but we’re looking at other changes we can make that won’t confuse players trying to visit their home instance or continue their story, and won’t get in the way of RPers. I don’t have an ETA for when a change will go in, though, sorry!
Changes to important things like salvage rates would be listed in the update notes if they have changed. If it’s not in the update notes, then no changes have been made by the development team.
On a side note it seems a little laggy/buggy today with dc’s and feel free to address the ecto nerf people as well lol https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Changes-to-ecto-salvage-from-rares/first#post2111155
Edit: Removed trans stone question, false alarm ^^
Edit: Posted ecto problems in the bug forum at https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Possible-Ecto-Bug-5-28-13/first#post2112129
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Ok, today is really making me feel noob lol.. has anyone else noticed a color change with names, aggro type mobs being more red than non aggro, and overall color enhancement? Of did I somehow improve my graphics card by yelling at it yesterday..
Anyone else experience this? Yesterday I got dc’d to login screen 3 times, today I was dc’d to log in twice but the second time it warped me all over the map and finally wound up at an uncontested wp no where near where I teled? Not seeing any problems with my net or pc so just wanna check.
Directly threatening/harassing an employee of Arenanet, get ready to see this person in the “banned” section up in account forums.
i just tried with 100 rares. only got 1 ecto IF i got any.
Start the Ecto hoarding wars. expecting 35 silver ectos in a week
Lol @ 100 rares and 1 ecto……. I have no words. What level were they, what salvage kit, and which game were you playing?
Hmm an ecto nerf thread has caught my attention.. It may be time once again to… repeat this https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/BL-S-Kits-vs-Master-Kits-Results-Ectos/first
I remember people said if they changed the next LS story to a solo dungeon the solo dungeon people would be happy. Now the group dungeon people are upset. I see where this is going :P So I suppose next arc, we need a solo/group option to please everyone, and then the discussion will be “too hard/too easy”. I don’t think this arc is over yet.
Developer laziness anyone?
Last thread got closed because people were qqing and not constructively discussing the topic. Way to start the spiral.
Not to be rude, but the tone of this thread (and title) sounds very entitled and bossy. Rather than suggestive and informative. The word “you” was used about 15 times, “need” was used about 5. Implement was used 7 times without a suggestive tone, as was “make” at I think 8 times.
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I personally would like to see the island blown off the face of Tyria and replaced with something that actually fits in the game world. I don’t think either of us will get what we want.
Why doesn’t an island fit into the world o.o It isn’t like NCsoft has never had islands, beaches, swimwear before. Of course Arenanet shouldn’t copy Aion or anything, but imo its not such a bad place that it warrants being removed. Add a nice island, open up cantha, everyone wins
We have not forgotten about this. Sometimes as certain features get used by more of the game, it reveals issues that lead to a redesign. For instance, now that you can right click on people in PvP while spectating to switch follow cameras, accidental right-clicks can be far more disorienting than selecting a new target.
We appreciate your time coming in and posting, now we can reset our timers accordingly :P
On a serious note, thank you for updating us and most of us are patient and realize you guys are very busy with many aspects. Hopefully a fix will pop up soon for those who need it.
I can think of a few:
Right click targeting on/off
Right click to attack on/off
Living Story UI on/off
Player titles on/off
Ping Display (if added) on/off
Players name/title (for self) [on/off] [name only] [title only]
LFG icon self/others on/off
Mini guild tags/names on/off
Pet Guild tag on/off [owners name/guild tag]
Now the question is why did they hide this from patch notes lol They deserve all the positive feedback they work for, why hide it from us ^^ hard to thank you for things when you don’t mention you did them and we have to play hide and seek :P
Agree with the op, hope it gets done.
I really think a change in scenery would be nice for farmers, and more chances at T5/T6 mats. Rather than running to 2-4 Wp’s in Orr farming, we could do 2 in Orr 2+in SS. Might make farming more fun for everyone and help the economy get more items. Not everyone loves farming in the dark 99% of the day ^^ Also, pretty sure this is the first time you have ever agreed with me on anything, printing this and putting it in a frame. :P
Maybe this would help, having the account activity (the current level of accounts) AND the play activity (currently active players on server) listed. Just an example-
Would that fix any thing?
Yes, because it could be used as a metric to see what servers were actually very dead or very active. people who want to farm would probably pick a certain server, people who wanted to move servers could make better decisions based on actual players on server rather than accounts. And a metric between accounts-active could be made to allow people a fair price to transfer. Rather than simply saying “Very full X amount” when actually that server is a little empty. People transfer to very high because they expect it to be busy, and are finding the opposite. Also good for finding groups, maybe NSP is great for temples at 8pm (very full), maybe TC is good for active events during AM EST. Lots of things could be figured out using this.
Some quick examples:
Every time you check out servers X server seems always very full active status. And even though X server and Y server say Very Full account wise, Y server says Low Active population. So you might want to move to the more active one. Alternatively arenanet could offer discounts or cheaper costs to servers with lower activity status, rather than count on account numbers. This would make each server feel more full.
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Well now this thread is in Suggestions meaning thats the end of that. Thanks for playing, folks!
Hey not everything here gets vanished :P Just a few off the top of my head- colorblind circles for AOE started here, fixed recently. A ton of WvW suggestions have been added, gem store items added. Its not all doom and gloom here
Maybe this would help, having the account activity (the current level of accounts) AND the play activity (currently active players on server) listed. Just an example-
I wish Anet could create a grouping system where people can have party search put on ‘global notice’ (ie. every single server) if the party leader wishes to do so, like if the server seems very empty, then a global search would help both get the party going and fill up that server (in guest mode of course).
That would be nice, but every server might be hard. But at least a global (one server) LFG where people guesting could see as well. It going crossed every server might be hard since we can only guest to two worlds, might be unnecessarily cluttered.
Yep you are probably the only one along with;
~SNIP~ Also you can’t farm in a small area of the DR kicks in, you need to travel and take part in events to reset the DR :p
Honestly the invasions and stuff don’t happen as much when there are less people, when the current story is over the majority of people will leave and it will quieten down a lot.
Well for people like me who easily avoid DR, I would just pop back and forth between the two. If it had a few WP’s where Orr style events happened thats more fun (to me) than just wandering around killing karka all day. Karka are also not that hard, as a thief I can avoid ever even getting hit by them while farming. Same with many classes, so i don’t see the problem there. Just wish there was a purpose to the farming, like in Orr we get xp/karma etc. Southsun farming (for me) is mostly just running the map killing stuff.. That isn’t as fun imo. DR is easily avoidable by people who aren’t bots ^^ If they won’t make SS cool, then maybe just add an off the coast island that is just for fun and town clothes/swimming etc for all levels. We could really use a nice beach in GW2, instead of all this swamp/death/rainy stuff.
..who things that after the Karka story arc is totally over that Southsun would be a better place if most if not all mobs were removed? I mean, maybe leave some bosses, some champs around the lairs that are farm-able for us 80’s who love farming. But clear most of that dreadful island off, remove the gloomy rain, brighten it up, and give us a nice island getaway ^^ I bet RP’ers would love this. Swimming trunks and sand, and when an adventure is wanted they go into the hive and do some cool quests that lead underground as well as above ground for fun. It could be an alternative to Orr farming, with less karka and more interesting mobs that are pushed only to certain areas. Maybe even make a monthly invade scenario, where the karka attack the camps and we have to defend them. I say that the island could be far more fun if done right, tried of gloomy Orr… We need a shiny, good looking farm area.
Wow that’s so crazy. I’m on NSP and I see a fair number of people. Do you check out LA? We usually have loads of people at the temple runs every night too. So many that people complain about it all the time actually. Lately there haven’t been as many there but that’s just since the SSC patch came down so I just figured everyone’s been there.
We also used to have tons of people doing the meta events but that’s gone down. Rares aren’t what they used to be really. Get’s boring after a while. Queensdale’s usually packed especially when SB’s up. That’s just dumb now.
I have to admit though, other zones don’t have nearly as many people. I feel like everybody’s just in Queensdale, LA, SSC, and Orr. Otherwise I see maybe 3 or 4 people in other zones. No clue of other servers have more people in those other zones.
Oh, all this is based on Eastern time zones at prime time. During the day it can get fairly dead.
LA for me is usually dead as well. You really don’t see it until you have been to other servers. Then it really becomes very clear.. For instance you can see the difference in the pic below, this is a small sample taken at the same time. Events are very much different, it can be 5 people on server a, and 50 people on server b.
PS: TC is usually cramped with people in DR, I’m guessing the low pop there is because of the event.
Can you tone down a certain graphics option to help? I’m actually surprised of all the random flashy like things in game this is the only one that causes problems.
Maybe at the end when all have been revealed you will have 1-2 days to purchase them all. I think they are being careful not to make the gem>gold gold>gem too crazy. Releasing just a few things at once is better than all at once, 100 gems would cost 9g each if they first released all 3 gathering tools at once with all that other stuff.
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