Guild Wars 2

killcannon.2576:

Oh gods…First it’s “Play slow, take your time”, then it’s “Hurry up and come back and finish this content”. And the LS hasn’t changed a thing in the world. And people have been singing this same song for nine months “Give it time, you’ll see, it will get better”. I was even one of those people. And these updates are not “free”. They came with the purchase price, and paid for by either players playing or buying stuff in the gem store. You purchased the game and all updates, nothing here is being given to anyone.

Seriously, do you people all work for EA? Stop with the propaganda already.

I would argue that the 60 dollar price tag was for all content at the time of release. because most games need revenue beyond box sales they are monthly subs etc. They first had to generate enough revenue to pay back the cost of the game entirely, then pay a salary to all those people every month. I doubt $60 covers that alone, and even if it did I doubt they covered anything past the first few months of the game. But I think gem store sales are what is supporting new content, to say that $60 covered ALL expenses of making the game AND ALL future content just sounds silly. Play the core story slow, do the living story when it comes, be happy with the game or move on. Suppose thats the only real advice here.

Khisanth.2948:

Geotherma.2395:

Of all the bosses/events, I’d say Fire Shaman by far is the most annoying to me.

More than Lyssas gorilla? or a more recent version, Champion Settler and their “red circles are bigger than they appear and oh by the way I got homing rocks too”

Aside from temples and LS stuff :P Hes just straight annoying lol Multiple changes, aoe’s everywhere, quick damage because your capped. I’ve never seen more than 5-10 people do that event :P

Of all the bosses/events, I’d say Fire Shaman by far is the most annoying to me.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

did someone said there are ppl that finished the game???

Some people have set goals, they might not even be that broad. To them beating the game could mean finishing story, doing all dungeons and getting a legendary. To others it could be every title, every dye, and finishing every single aspect. So to cater to those who are only interested in some aspects as “their” game, yes in a way they feel like they finished what they were interested in.

Saelune.5316:

Geotherma.2395:

Have you tried guesting? I usually guest on TC and BG. (Tarnished coast and Black Gate) You can still guest even if they are full.

No, I havent. I dont fully understand guesting, so I avoid it.

Lol don’t be scared :P Go to character screen click on world selection, then click TC or any server you want and click guest. Log in with the character you want and find a group on a populated server. Once you log out from the character you are back on your normal server. Lots of benefits in guesting, too many to list :P You really just visiting another server, you can guest to two different worlds in 24 hours. So really you could at any time be on your choice of 3 servers a day total.

Saelune.5316:

I dont want to repeat it though. I just need to do the Group Dungeon, but everyone is too busy farming the riots. I already have the Flower thing, and the ugly tentacle back. I just would like to finish the story before it dissapears forever… >.>

Have you tried guesting? I usually guest on TC and BG. (Tarnished coast and Black Gate) You can still guest even if they are full.

Saelune.5316:

I just want to be able to experience everything, but there is so much. Its not about doing it again and again, thats whats boring about Southsun. I just want it to be there for me to do it when I am ready. Main reason I cant finish the personal story is I get side tracked by something else happening in the game, but it will be there for me when I come back.

Well the core of the game will be there when you want to do it, so focusing on the LS arcs doesn’t hurt. I made a thread about repeating LS content a while ago for those who missed it or couldn’t finish the achievements, so i won’t re-post all that here :P

Saelune.5316:

All I am getting is defending the “living” part. Well…maybe I dont want a living story then. Doesnt make me any less…patient?

Then don’t do it? It is a core part of how they want their game, if you don’t like it you don’t have to do it. I doubt they will change it because it is how they wish to develop the game and its story. There are plenty of other things to do in game, and plenty of other games to enjoy. Lots of games have static, stale added content that you can repeat 1 million times for same rewards, if that’s what your in to.

Saelune.5316:

Well, I do agree on the content thing. I missed Flame and Frost cause I prefer to take my time, but why? Why set up this thing for so long to have it come and go like that? All this stuff these last months are being missed by most cause they were not here at the right time. They should keep these things around permenantly. I doubt Im the only person who wants the Adventure Box back for good.

That is the point of the LS arcs, to keep people coming back and playing or they miss out. Everything so far could be completed with plenty of time even for those who play more slowly than others. The guides and everything make it all very easy to complete each arc quickly. Without new content and the fear of missing out on temporary rewards, people would have no reason to play. They would simply beat the core content again and stop. Living story drives people to come back and experience it, expansions are what generate more core content. But even LS does that in small ways, the world changes because of them too. So the more LS arcs we have the more tyria will change. I would guess that if you started at day 1, left for an entire year to 15 months and came back, the game would truly feel all new. And I think thats the point. It keeps evolving, it keeps changing and updating. I mean who else drops content almost monthly for us to enjoy? It is like a mini expansion every month, and we aren’t paying a dime for it.

The problem is over 3 million people started this game at once, I would venture to say at least 1 million more have joined since. That means that those people from start who were finished with everything in game before FF arc would simply take the week or whatever to finish that arc and be back at square one. Same thing happened with the southsun stuff, people had already “completed” the game and then finished this. I don’t speak for everyone, but as far as I can see a big problem is with rushing. Coming from games like FFXI and Aion to GW2 is much like going from advanced calculus to 7th grade math. I don’t mean to say GW2 is so easy and brainless, what I mean is that we can rush through the content unintentionally.

I came assuming I had to grind for hours, do every event etc etc. That got me to 80 in around 13 days… I had no idea it could be so easy. But it really isn’t like that for everyone, it is like that for many of us though. So these new players we need to get them to slow down, or they end up where we are. It would be much better to be on story 48 and have Living Story arc come and distract us from our regular story. Maybe we finish our personal story and dungeons after several living story arcs, and then it feels more accomplished. But because a lot of us came in thinking we had to rush to enjoy the game, we ended up only hindering ourselves. Luckily the content is there even if it is temporary to keep us going in the meantime, and daily’s/monthly’s keep us earning currency for the future.

So while I agree wholeheartedly about the need for more core content for those who have been here ,I also give them that breathing room because I brought “the end” so to speak on myself. Had I taken my time and just relaxed I could still be leveling and exploring with mid levels etc. I now find everything new at level 80, and it holds less challenge, but i suppose that’s what alts are for. In the meantime I think we just need to allow for them to use living story as a temporary fix until an expansion is ready to release for everyone’s interest. By the time it comes out the majority of the playerbase should be well into leveling and experienced in the game, then it will benefit us all much more than pushing it out at the start. Not everyone completes every aspect of the game in 1 month, but some probably can. Once we all get on the same page and just slow down a bit (as the game is free to play after purchase) I think we will find living story leading up to a large core improvement. And it won’t stop there. In the meantime many other games are coming out and GW2 allows you to leave and come back at no cost, this is another great aspect of the game and allows us to have a break and enjoy other games we love.

Turns out that Zhaitan was the good guy, and we were actually destroying his plans to kill all undead and restore Orr. The current Orr looks is the result of that. Had we lost, Orr would look much more like miami.

I think it was ok, could have used a twist or 10. I do love twists. (See Castle)
But keep in mind the living story is an extension of that story as well, and brings new “bad guys” in at a pretty amazing pace. And at this rate hopefully we will see quite a few twists and turns in the stories.

Vayne.8563:

Geotherma.2395:

Vayne.8563:

Fox Mulder.6907:

I hope Living Story will be replayed. Several of us in my guild didn’t get “A rallying flame”. That’s a complete waste of, what, 3 months!

How is not getting A Rallying Flame a complete waste of three months? Is it the achievement point you’re talking about or the experience itself? Because as an experience, it was clicking on a fire. You didn’t miss much.

Hey now that fire gave me like 30 minutes or something of having 452 MF :P Which i wasted most of (stupid censoring..) away from keyboarding for dinner..

I thought you could keep going back to it.

You can, but it was from an alt. The buff in SS started after the buff was gone from FF story arc afaik.

Vayne.8563:

Fox Mulder.6907:

I hope Living Story will be replayed. Several of us in my guild didn’t get “A rallying flame”. That’s a complete waste of, what, 3 months!

How is not getting A Rallying Flame a complete waste of three months? Is it the achievement point you’re talking about or the experience itself? Because as an experience, it was clicking on a fire. You didn’t miss much.

Hey now that fire gave me like 30 minutes or something of having 452 MF :P Which i wasted most of (stupid censoring..) away from keyboarding for dinner..

Hopefully we will see soon if this is how it plays out

Agreed Some older games have good community, some newer ones scare the life out of me :P I leave them thinking “holy cow humanity is de evolving” :P

Curo.2483:

tigirius.9014:

Slightly different RNG function but has anyone tried using those Orr boxes or the crafting laurel bags since the bug was fixed? I’m curious to see the results on those since the salvaging thing was fixed.

I know I opened 49 Orr boxes during the bug and got only junk + karma, if that means anything. I don’t think the bug was limited to ectos, so it’s likely RNG in general may have changed.

That can be pretty normal though, mostly it takes several hundred thousand karma or even millions to see the rate for those drops. I’ve been super lucky and super unlucky with them heh.

Vlawde.1895:

Don’t think so, I see some that are on their home server. I’ve googled it a million different ways but I’m not getting any results

I see it on my own when I guest, I could be wrong I’m not sure.

I think it has something to do with guesting, but I’m not sure what exactly.

tigirius.9014:

Slightly different RNG function but has anyone tried using those Orr boxes or the crafting laurel bags since the bug was fixed? I’m curious to see the results on those since the salvaging thing was fixed.

Orr boxes are pretty random, I think some people did research on them before. Idk if there’s enough pre-info on laurel stuff to really compare yet.

You know you want to.

Dragon chainsaw…

Because Arenanet respects customers and players more than other MMO’s where they just let anything pass. Welcome to a game where the company actually cares if its community is a huge troll fest full of abusers or not If you like the 4chan style stuff there’s always Aion and Tera Global chat.

Ebi.8561:

For starters, who even reads the starting conditions?
i know that doesnt matter, but still, it’s the fact of the matter…
I have been banned for 3 days a while ago, had a few too many drinks and said some stuff, bit stupid on both parts.
But please dont try and make me look bad on my own post by saying i have a gaming addiction, i can live without games, im simply expressing the stupidity of a 7 day ban for a few words said, if the player was offended, they could have simpy PM’d myself asking me to not say stuff like that again.

If someone lets a few words said over the internet get to them, even though what i said was not directed to anyone on my actual server, which i still dont understand, then they need to man up.

People who don’t want to get banned read conditions. If you can’t handle your alcohol and play a game I don’t know what to tell you. From the sound of your post it has a lot of direction towards drinking and gaming problems, but thats for you to deal with. As for the “man up” part, perhaps you should take your own advice and man up, as in grow up and learn to be respectful of others and use proper language in a proper setting. In the end your only hurting yourself, you made a choice-a bad one, and now you get punished for it. So guess you will have to “man up” and take it.

Ebi.8561:

Carbine.4706:

Ebi.8561:

Im a pottymouth, and im reframing from my cursing on this post, you cant ban people because of their nature and their potty mouth,

Yes they can, but you were not banned, you were only suspended.

Ebi.8561:

atleast send them a warning if people are getting offended.

The terms and condition and the EULA, which you did agree to before you were able to play, was your warning.

You guys are still not seeing the point i am trying to make, Ban/Suspension, same thing, I am banned for 7 days, Suspended for 7 days, means the same thing,
But im saying its the 7 days, for swearing, which people swear EVERY day, is just absoloutely stupid.

People do swear everyday, but they don’t usually go around swearing at random people. This is a business, a game world, it has rules just like the real world. I would propose you try walking into olive garden and blatantly swearing at a table, or in a toys are us. Swearing serves no purpose in society, any and all intellectual points can be made without ever resorting to swearing. Wars are won and lost with words, many of them never even contain explicit language. And the excuse that everyone does it sounds very much like the “If your friends go jump off a bridge, would you too?” argument.

Ebi.8561:

Are you serious?
I just got logged out, because i might have said the F word a bit too much, and banned for 167 hours? What the kitten?

Makes sense, seems like the punishment isn’t working.

Ebi.8561:

What kind of system are you guys running, in NORMAL games, you get muted for 24/48 hours for saying the f word or something offensive, but being BANNED FOR 7 DAYS IS ABSOLOUTELY RIDICULOUS.

The system blocks people like you-and others, from using profanity like a child in games. The punishment usually fits the crime and you agreed to the terms when you bought the game and every time you log in.

Ebi.8561:

Im a pottymouth, and im reframing from my cursing on this post, you cant ban people because of their nature and their potty mouth, atleast send them a warning if people are getting offended.
what you’re saying is 1 person out of the thousands on that server is offended by some of my language, okay lets ban him for 7 days.
That’s stupid! that is so stupid!!
You have no idea!

The fact that you admit to having a “potty mouth” and that they can’t ban people because they are habitual “potty mouths” is a pretty ridiculous argument.

Ebi.8561:

I’ve spent alot of money on this game, gem store etc and you repay me with a 7 day ban for a few words said, not even directed at anyone?

I spend a lot of money at walmart, but I don’t go around swearing and other customers or acting like a child. because I know the consequences as would any mature adult.

Ebi.8561:

Go look at what i said, post it here, and let the community decide, myself as a hardcore player that plays nearly 6-7 hours a day because i dont have a life and i love this game am absoloutely outraged.

This just sounds like there are problems beyond the game that may need to be addressed..

Ebi.8561:

You must see this from our point, that’s 7 Dailys, that’s 7 transmution stones, 7 jugalugs of karma?
Do that math. Im trying to farm for karma, and you guys arent friggin helping!

Its just a game, if you want to play it follow the rules. If you can’t live without a video game for 7 days you may want to seek professional help for gaming addiction.

Ebi.8561:

ANYWAYS BACK TO THE TOPIC

This is unfair. Please read over this and post your replies… i know alot of people are kitten ed off for being banned for swearing.

Alot of people are mad at getting banned, but they would be a whole lot less mad if they didn’t do something childish and didn’t get banned in the first place.

Doggie.3184:

Well, the Molten Mining one still uses the normal mining animation and it was still awesome.
The Sickle may use hammer animation but it’s still something different than the normal Sickle animation.

It actually uses the correct scythe action that you would expect from a large sickle. So its fine now and makes sense.

Thank you very much for the Email and kit That was pretty awesome of you.

skinnyb.5920:

Bright.9160:

the people that work on fixing things like right-click targetting are not the people that design Animal Hats and the likes.

I just find this to be an extremely poor counter argument. Those people working on the useless stuff can very easily be reallocated to more useful projects.

Put Animal Hats and Karka Queens on hold. Stop with the new stuff and go back and polish existing content. What happened to the “massive” dungeon revamp that only managed to graze Ascalonian Catacombs? What about a functioning guild panel? A LFG tool? 10 months in and this game still has massive holes.

Yes have the surgeons go flip the burgers, swap the burger flippers with surgeons. But don’t stop there, grab the guy who maintains air traffic control and swap him with a NYC taxi driver… Game may have holes, but so does your understanding of how programming and teams work.

I have 12 alts..

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Glad it was worth the effort.

Much much better, just be careful making us happy all the time, we might get used to it :P

PS:And people say devs never listen to suggestions..

Capn Evan.4586:

What about the fact that my post was deleted for agreeing with an idea? =/

It doesn’t feel right, I feel excluded from the community, when all I want to do is help out and create a positive atmosphere.

Sometimes they are in defense mode. A few recent threads like the ecto thread cause many people to start calling names, pointing fingers etc, it causes customer service to start being more strict when people act like that. They can at times be very strict, and even at times mistakenly so. Just be clear in your points and try to stay away from the mindset of many posters when it comes to direct criticism without constructiveness.

It is the most fun when that person who wants to switch doesn’t tell you and you find out quickly they were the leader. Then your group disbands and you lose the final chest.

Iason Evan.3806:

Posted my response above a week ago. Any luck with it? I am unable to play this game at the moment. It would be nice to enjoy the product I have purchased. I can’t though because it disconnects all the time.

1.5mbps seems really low for a download speed, is this closed to what your ISP said you were offered? Granted you won’t always get what they say, but under even 5mbps seems super slow for MMO play.

Judging by your account name I would say that you probably were or are already pushing the bounds. They have always been strict because usually intelligent adults or even just mature people make appropriate names. When they don’t what you listed is what happens.

Tinboy.7954:

yakuza snowdragon.4639:

Some players? I thought most if not all players imo. I mean running from one instigator to the other is the only decent way to make money and I was using 380% magic find. My drops still were not what I would’ve expected running MF that high. I mean without the southsun MF bonus we max out at 100 MF roughly and if I’m getting blue and green most of the time with almost 400MF then what point is running MF gear anywhere else in the game? seems like it gives a .0005 drop bonus? ahhh I don’t know. Just seems the rates are not hurting botters/gold sellers anywhere near as much as it is the rest of us?

You are not maxed out at ~100 MF without the Southsun buff. Also, MF has nothing to do with chest drops; it only affects loot from bodies.

Agreed, you can get well over 100 with items/buffs etc w.o the island buff. I think i had 452MF with the island buffs, it was a huge noticeable difference. But even 200mf is noticeable to me over many hours.

I’ll just leave this here
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/19721

Now we all need to be infracted for posting a bug in general forum instead of bug forums. :P

But yay lol Thanks everyone for spending your time and gold on this, see you next nerf! jk :P /tinfoilhat

runeblade.7514:

Geotherma.2395:

runeblade.7514:

Drop rates hurts only players.

Bots don’t care, botter will profit greatly from the scarcity.

Care to elaborate on the blank statements lol? Is there a Botter community actively discussing this issue as well?

If you ask for an explanation, you don’t deserve any place to discuss here.

Bots are tireless farmers. Bots can give the maximum effort and reap all drops possible.

Humans have limited energy and attention span. They take breaks. They sleep, they go to work, they eat.

The more the droprates are nerfed, then the more scarce the drops are, the more frustrated the players are and the higher the price of the drop becomes. Bots don’t get frustrated, bots can give 100% effort at all times when programmed right. Botters profit more from higher price. Players do not.

I farm very well myself, I don’t really get tired, and I DO profit from high prices. And my place in any discussion is pretty valid considering I did buy the game and DO farm. Plus when bots get found out, they lose real cash. So that’s a bigger loss there, and that alone is a big reason for people not to use them. People who know how to farm don’t complain about DR.

Ursan.7846:

I think this is a great thread to show how real feedback (backed by real data) can be much more constructive than the usual “I FEEL that loot rates have been nerfed” threads that dominate the forums.

Seriously guys. If you feel like drop rates have been nerfed, RECORD YOUR FINDINGS. You’ll be a lot more convincing.

/agree

As long as you can afford to that is, don’t go blowing a months worth of gold people :P

CuRtoKy.8576:

Geotherma.2395:

• Fixed a salvaging bug introduced in the last patch that sometimes caused salvage kits to yield incorrect results.

They should say ecto rates or was it more than just ectos O.O

Hmm good point lol.

Also! What would really finish this thread off nicely is a post by John Smith summing it all up nicely. Free kits would be great, but yea, ya know :P

Kimhyuna.1035:

Im sure all those white knights are looking a little foolish right now.

Actually those White Knights contributed in this post to help, well at least some of them.

Rising Dusk.2408:

IT WAS REAL.

Tinfoil hats for everyone! The conspiracy was founded! Colin, we demand rewards for this debunking!

Agreed, there is no better time than right now for tinfoil hats! :P

Update-

• Fixed a salvaging bug introduced in the last patch that sometimes caused salvage kits to yield incorrect results.

• Fixed a salvaging bug introduced in the last patch that sometimes caused salvage kits to yield incorrect results.

Perhaps there is multiple testing going on, and the recent quick updates were revisions to correct them. And then more research. Just a guess, I really don’t know.

runeblade.7514:

Drop rates hurts only players.

Bots don’t care, botter will profit greatly from the scarcity.

Care to elaborate on the blank statements lol? Is there a Botter community actively discussing this issue as well?

yakuza snowdragon.4639:

Some players? I thought most if not all players imo. I mean running from one instigator to the other is the only decent way to make money and I was using 380% magic find. My drops still were not what I would’ve expected running MF that high. I mean without the southsun MF bonus we max out at 100 MF roughly and if I’m getting blue and green most of the time with almost 400MF then what point is running MF gear anywhere else in the game? seems like it gives a .0005 drop bonus? ahhh I don’t know. Just seems the rates are not hurting botters/gold sellers anywhere near as much as it is the rest of us?

No, I generally run about 12-sometimes 18 hours on a weekend just farming gathering etc because I’m busy during the week. I rarely have problems with DR because I don’t sit in one spot like some robot. They also made some areas harder, so it would be harder for people to make bots who can survive. Don’t take every word on forums as the general consensus. The reason you think its not hurting botters as much is because it is actually working ^^ GW2 probably has kitten tters and RMT than at least 5 other MMO’s I’ve played. But we do need a new way now that they are gone, DR feels like it was a quick fix and a placeholder for something more accurate.

Farmers rarely but do get hit by DR when farming for long periods. Unfortunately/fortunately the DR mechanic is not biased. We could use a better system, but currently it works pretty well for bots, but has the unintended occurrence of hurting some players.

Now would be a great time to introduce surveys, and with them a nice BLSK 25 pack for everyone Just saying ^^

Hebee.8460:

I took the consortium as ANet’s view of NCsoft >_>

SHHHH :P

Iruwen.3164:

If this is bugged then I’m really going to rage because I wasted BLKs which I actually paid real money for. But let’s see.

http://youtu.be/9vQqannyaNQ *fixed….

Eh… nope. Not cool.

We forgot to mention, this especially happens to mesmers as per our warrior egreements with Colin. jk

Seriously though, glad people are able to see more video proof. Even small samples can add up, I’ve still yet to see 10+ salvages with BLSK turn out to be all 0’s or 1’s. Definitely 5 could happen, maybe 8, 10 is really pushing it. 20-40 is just insane.